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0 Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2018 Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 12:11

Constitution
Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.

(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15; 36-38 '16; 39-41 '17; 42-44 '18)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Bean: 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 40.07 Brent Honeywell, SP, TB; 42.06 Forest Whitley, SP, HOU
bmd: 39.03 Vladimir Guerrero Jr, 3b, TOR; 42.01 Fernando Tatis Jr, SS, SD; 42.08 MacKenzie Gore, SP, SD; 43.04 Leody Taveras, OF, Rangers; 43.06 Jack Flaherty, SP, STL; 43.14 Colin Moran, 3b, PIT
Blue Hen: 43.15 Yusei Kikuchi, SP, Seibu Lions NPB; 44.03 Yordan Alvarez, 1B, HOU; 44.04 Derek Fisher, OF, HOU
Darkside: 42.11 Miguel Andujar, 3B, NYY; 43.08 Austin Hays, OF, Bal; 44.01 Alec Hansen, SP, Det
Great One: 36.01 Brendan Rodgers, SS, COL; R40.04 Kyle Lewis, OF, SEA
Guru: 39.18 Francisco Mejia, C, CLE; 40.11 Jake Bauers, OF, TB; 42.15 A.J. Minter, Atl, RP
Fosten: 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT; 43.13 Jeimer Candelario, 3B, DET
Judy: 39.01 Mickey Moniak, OF, PHI; 40.02 Alex Verdugo, OF, LAD; 42.04 Sixto Sanchez, SP, PHI
Khahan: 42.16 Michael Chavis, 3b, BOS; 43.12 Christian Arroyo 3rd/SS TB
Meatwads: 40.06 Juan Soto, OF, WAS; 42.07 Taylor Trammell, OF, CIN; 42.05 Jhailyn Ortiz, OF, PHI
mjd: 39.02 Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL; 42.03 Royce Lewis, SS, MIN; 42.10 Austin Riley, 3b, ATL; 43.01 Michael Soroka, P, ATL
Nerfherders: Kolby Allard, SP, ATL; 42.12 Luis Gohara, SP, ATL; 43.09 Brendan McKay, SP/1B TB
Slizz: 42.14 Jo Adell, OF, LAA; 43.11 Jesus Sanchez, OF, TB; 44.02 Gabriel Arias, SS, SD
Species: 36.17 Victor Robles, OF, WAS; 39.04 Nick Senzel, 3b, CIN; 42.17 Estevan Florial, OF, NYY; 42.19 Keston Hiura, 2B, MIL
Thumper: 39.10 Kyle Tucker, OF, HOU; 42.02 Bo Bichette, 2b/SS, TOR; 42.09 Triston McKenzie, SP, CLE; 42.20 Carter Kieboom, SS, WSH; 43.03 Mitch Keller, SP, PIT
Tree: 39.08 Michael Kopech, SP, CWS; 42.05 Willie Calhoun, OF, TEX; 43.02 Luis Urias, IF, SD
ttucowboy: 39.12 Yadier Alvarez, SP, LAD
Tosh: 37.12 Anthony Alford, OF, TOR; 43.07 Yoshihisa Hirano, RP, ARIZ
wg: Willy Adames, SS, TB; 42.18 Hunter Greene, SP, CIN
youngroman: 39.15 Luis Robert Moiran, OF, Cuba; 42.13 Michael Baez, SP, SD; 43.10 Kyle Wright, SP, ATL

These managers have had their 2019 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-17 Thumper receives WG's 1st (Desmond + Harvey / B. Rodgers)
3-25-17 Meatwads receives WG's 7th for his 11th (2017 pick swap)
3-30-17 bmd receives Species' 7th and 9th for his 10th and 11th (2017 pick swaps)
5-21-17 Thumper receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Triggs, Wheeler / Altherr)
2-08-18 Species receives Meatwads' 4th for his 12th (Gordon/Cruz/E5)
2-09-18 GO receives slizz' 4th for his last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
2-09-18 GO receives Thumpers 3rd for his second to last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
3-07-18 Thumper receives Species' 5th for his 9th (Godley)
3-08-18 slizz receives bmd's 3rd for his 14th (W. Davis)
3-15-18 Great One receives Meatwads' 2nd and 5th for his 7th and last (2018 Supplemental)
3-16-18 Great One receives Fosten's 4th for his 10th (Matz)
3-16-18 mjd gets WG's 4th for his 14th (Winker, 2018 picks)
3-20-18 Fosten gets WG's 12th for his 14th (2018 pick)

The following managers have had their 2019 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

8-17-17 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd round picks (Meadows)

These managers have had their 2020 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:

3-15-18 Thumper receives GO's 2nd and 5th for his 7th and 14th (Britton / Eaton + Calhoun)

Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
2013 Wazaaap Guy
2014 blue hen
2015 blue hen
2016 Species
2017 blue hen

Commissioner:
"Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com

Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position

Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.

Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily.

Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our leagues bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.

Trades for draft picks - be they Supplemental or Prospect picks - may only be consummated within two drafts from the date of the trade. Example: in March 2015 before the Supplemental Draft, one can only trade either 2015 or 2016 picks. In June 2015, one could trade either 2016 or 2017 picks, etc.

Trade deadline - the trade deadline is the last day in August available in the ESPN website.

Minimums for GP and IP:

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team. However, the first two demerits will be forgiven.

If a team finishes ďin the moneyĒ for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next yearís supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.

Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft the previous June are not eligible to be kept as keepers. This rule applies even if that player has played in the major leagues. All Rule 4 draftees must go through at least one Prospect Draft prior to being eligible as keepers.

2017 Prize Pool
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.

Supplemental and Prospect Draft Lotteries:
The lotteries for both the Supplemental and Prospect Drafts will be conducted within 30 days of the end of the previous season.

Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:

1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up prospects to their active roster. In this scenario, those prospects are separate from their 9 keepers.
ADDITIONALLY: Once the keeper deadline has passed, managers may exceed 9 or more players by trade.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.

Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous years finish and will not snake.

Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, while he may be freely picked up and used on a roster, please note that per our keeper rules they may not be kept the following season. All Rule 4 draftees must go through one Prospect Draft before they become keeper eligible.

There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.

Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.

Prospect Rules:
The underlined key deadlines and procedures are completed in a linear fashion, one after the other.

Keeper Deadline:
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. This is the only point in time where teams must have 3 or fewer prospects.

Managers will announce what prospects they intend to keep on the prospect list, which prospects they are releasing, and (if applicable) which prospects they are calling up and releasing (see below).

All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP to remain a prospect. Otherwise, they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.

Owning another team's prospect pick has no bearing on the above.

Assignment of Prospect Picks:
After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect picks dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks of your own limited to a total of 3. Specifically:

- If you keep 3 prospects, you receive no new picks
- If you keep 2 prospects, you receive your 1st round prospect pick
- If you keep 1 prospect, you receive your 1st and 2nd round prospect picks
- If you keep no prospects, you receive your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks

If an owner has traded away one of their prospect picks, they must reduce their kept prospects below three in order to comply with the terms of their trade. See "if you have traded away a pick", below.

Owning another team's prospect pick has no bearing on the above.

End of Keeper Deadline Activity:
Upon the completion of the keeper deadline and the assignment of picks, managers may then exceed three prospects by trade.

Processing of Traded Prospect Picks:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks:
If you have traded away a pick: As noted above, any team that has traded away a pick must comply with the terms of their trade. This means that the number of prospects you are allowed to keep is reduced by the number of prospect picks you have traded away. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
If you have traded for a pick: Acquired picks are only used as picks in the Prospect Draft. The owning of another team's pick in no way alters the number of prospect keepers you may have, nor does it effect the assignment of your own prospect picks.

Prospect Draft:
The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the final standings of the previous year and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 Major League at bats or a pitcher with less than both 55 Major League innings pitched and 20 Major League games pitched. Further, to be eligible, the player must be a professional baseball player, defined as one of the following:

- Under contract with a MLB teams system. This does not require them to have been assigned to a minor league team at the time of the draft.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Japans Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Koreas Korean Baseball Organization (KBO) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Cuba's top professional league, the Serie Nacional.

Amateur players in High School, College or otherwise subject to the Rule 4 draft are not eligible.

There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as hes in the ESPN database) by dropping a player.

Prospect callup rules: Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they wont have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.

Alphabetical list of Prospects:

Willy Adames
Jo Adell
Anthony Alford
Kolby Allard
Yadier Alvarez
Yordan Alvarez
Miguel Andujar
Gabriel Arias
Christian Arroyo
Michael Baez
Jake Bauers
Bo Bichette
Willie Calhoun
Jeimer Candelario
Michael Chavis
Derek Fisher
Jack Flaherty
Estevan Florial
Luiz Gohara
Nick Gordon
MacKenzie Gore
Hunter Greene
Vladimir Guerrero JR
Alec Hansen
Austin Hays
Yoshihisa Hirano
Keston Hiura
Brent Honeywell
Mitch Keller
Carter Kieboom
Yusei Kikuchi
Michael Kopech
Kyle Lewis
Royce Lewis
Kevin Maitan
Brendan McKay
Triston McKenzie
Austin Meadows
Francisco Mejia
AJ Minter
Mickey Moniak
Colin Moran
Jhailyn Ortiz
Austin Riley
Luis Robert
Victor Robles
Brendan Rodgers
Sixto Sanchez
Jesus Sanchez
Nick Senzel
Michael Soroka
Juan Soto
Fernando Tatis
Leody Tavares
Taylor Trammell
Kyle Tucker
Luis Urias
Alex Verdugo
Forest Whitley
Kyle Wright
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338Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 16:34
BH - I actually looked at Pannone yesterday afternoon for today's match up. I had him for his last start where he went something like 7 IP, 0 ER 6 k's and the W against Baltimore. I just wasn't positive he'd duplicate. And Felix Hernandez has done so poorly he got relegated to the bullpen for a while. On the season he's got a 5.62 ERA and a 1.42 whip (over the past 30 a 5.96 era and a 1.45 whip). I'd call that a juicy match up for San Diego. And that is exactly my point - I'm on looking. I am not snatching up a 5.60+ ERA pitcher. Pannone, Felix, Stanek and Ariel Jurado were the only 'probable starters' when I checked today's match ups yesterday. None of those were pitchers I was really keen on taking except maybe Pannone. But again, the point is - moves made does not measure activity like some people want to say it does. It doesn't measure the fact that I logged in yesterday, reviewed the choices and decided none of the match ups were good choices. To say ribc is more active than g20 because of # of moves completely misses the point.
339blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 17:03
Fair points all, glad we're discussing. And for the record, I don't think Khahan is "inactive" in the slightest (says the guy who's made three trades with him this season). And really, I don't think there's much of a problem in G20 at all now. Lots of competing teams, lots of activity, lots of chatter.
340Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 18:00
I have sent a leaguewide email to get more managers' participation in these discussions.

Also, I want to start nominations for Bean's replacement immediately. Not that he isn't welcome, and the trade deadline has passed anyway, but it may behoove the incoming manager to have the opportunity to adjust their rosters, get used to the league a bit and have the offseason to consider the direction of the franchise.

There is a general leaning towards existing Gurupies......however I also believe that the newer blood from off of the site (Meatwads, Thumper) has been highly successful. All new candidates require the recommendation of an existing team anyway, so it is not like they are just people off the street.

Please look at your friends in other leagues and have them reach out to me as well as introduce themselves here. Thanks.
341Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 18:50
Speaking of activity - Khahan's market is now setting up shop for off-season dealing.

Buy list - keeper READY players. Sorry, we don't want your, "he could be good" or your "give him 2 years and he'll be a star" We are overloaded on prospects exiting 2018 and need to move inventory.

What we're looking for in return is your keeper ready players. Are you looking to rebuild but not sure how to go about it? Just stop by the minor market and pick up some 1st and 2nd round prospect picks. In exchange, send us your keeper ready player. Easy swap.
*note - bregman and nola are off the market. Anybody else is available.
342Judy
      ID: 35493114
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 19:29
Sorry guys, been setting up and drafting in three football leagues.

My team sucks this year as hard as I have tried to get some points. I thought my basic keeper hitters were going to be fine so I left spaces for pitchers... most have not had good seasons. My hitters did not live up to expectations at all and the DL has hurt. Sanchez and russell currently reside there.

Hah. That didnít work so well. When drafting the dregs I try to find guys who can play multiple positions so I can at least maybe get some countingstats.

I am also never near a computer or phone from 7:45 to 1:00 everyday. I do check lineups. I set them a few days in advance and try to check every night hopefully before the 7:00 games begin.

Looking on the waiver wire is a total exercise in frustration for me as they all suck and I donít want to give up a guy who is decent sort of for a guy for a few DL days who sucks.

I sadly am also seeing kids I gave up on - Nola especially, who are now doing well.

I have also noticed that once I start failing in the % slots, it is impossible to catch up.

Crap it happened again. I set starters yesterday, just checked and now Boyd is starting on my bench and everyone except Hamels is locked. What the ?..
343darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 21:59
In my other leagues I'm near the top of moves. Here, closer to the bottom. I'm risk averse and, this being a keeper league, I'm always afraid of dropping some young guy who could be good, but is hurt, underperforming, etc. I just don't feel as comfortable dropping guys because, as mentioned, by the ASB folks are loading up on just those types of guys and I fear that once I drop them I'll never get them back. That said, I think I'm wrong and should be more aggressive in making moves. I'm still not sure that would get me within sniffing distance of a title, but I do think it's severely limiting the possibility.

Maybe keeper leagues aren't for me. Too much incentive to play for next year while the other leagues I'm in, I'm all in all the time because there is no tomorrow. I'll see how next year goes, but my life circumstances aren't such that I can devote the kind of time I perceive I need to win this league. In my mind it takes far more time and research to get anywhere in this league while my other two leagues (which, again, feature many of the same managers), I check in on every day, make moves, and never feel like I'm out of it (though they are H2H, so that's likely part of it).

I love the idea of DL slots. I certainly don't care that it would thin the FA pool. I disagree with the notion that we have a thin FA pool. Indeed, relative to the other leagues I'm in, I think ours is quite robust. I feel like there's always someone available. Perhaps that's a result of the aggressive mindset of some who are churning through and putting good players on the wire. I don't know.

Maybe this league has just passed me by. The idea of planning days in advance to pick someone up at 6:06 is not in my reality. At 6:06 I'm trying to get one or all three of my kids fed or bathed and FA pickups are near the bottom of my to-do list. It's about priorities and fantasy baseball has taken a nose-dive over the last decade, and especially the last few years. If that's not how managers in this league should be thinking, it's another strike against me. At the end of the day, I like fantasy baseball, but could really give a shit one way or another what happens. It used to be a way to pass time, but I don't have that much time anymore. Like I said, maybe it's passed me by. I'd like to see how next year goes, but if I continue to roll in the middle of the pack, I might let someone take my spot who will give it the time I perceive some think should be devoted to it.
344blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:25
Thanks for the insight, Darkside. Just curious, what are the aspects of this league (or fantasy in general) that are the most fun for you?
345Nerfherders
      ID: 2211442615
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:52
I'd be in for keeper DL slots. I think that will help most if not all teams. The question is how many, and who gets to go in there? Your 9 keepers for the current year.. how about your tenth? What if he's not a keeper, but you can immediately declare him a keeper for NEXT year by DL'ing him? For example I have Manaea on the DL. Not a keeper. But I could say "I'm declaring Manaea as a keeper and putting him on the DL."
346Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 12:01
I would lean towards a limited number of DL slots. Maybe 2. Maybe 3 tops.

I also agree with the concept of current year keepers only. And if they are traded while on the DL, they retain DL eligibility.......but free agents off the waiver wire would not.

No 10th keepers. They weren't keepers, they were prospects who were called up.
347blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 12:01
Right, I'd avoid all those situations. Has to be kept as one of the 9 from last year (180 total). No shenanigans.
348Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 12:30
I still find it interesting that a segment of the league finds that an inability to be on the waiver wire in a timely manner is a significant impediment to doing well in the league. Now, there is no doubt that it is an advantage but I still think the largest weakness of struggling teams is more in the offseason and preseason timeframes.

With rare exception, I contact almost every team in the league during the offseason and have a discussion roughly around the following:
- who are your keepers
- what are you looking to do? Reload? Complete tear down? Do you have a plan?
- who is available
- want my prospects? want my veterans? want my picks?
- what would it take to get player x

In too many cases I get a response of (something to the effect of) "it's the offseason - hit me up in March". I realize I am weird and partially obsessed with this league, but I am looking at this stuff for much of the offseason. I am reviewing prospect lists, projecting lineups and crafting my roster plans before the current season even ends (hence, post 326 above).

A recent trend has been the pre-negotiation of post-keeper trades. I plant seeds all offseason......water them gently.....fertilize.....all of that takes time and effort.

I am not trying to belittle or insult anyone in this league. But with rare exception (Tosh being the prime example here in 2018) it is the teams with a plan that succeed. Those teams make the most trades, acquire the best prospects and spot the breakout candidates before other teams do. As much as we all hope to find the Jose Ramirez, Corey Kluber, Jacob DeGrom or Trevor Bauer superstar breakouts off the waiver wire or in the 5th round of the supplemental draft, with 19 other managers all hoping to do the same thing, there is a lot of competition for those stars.

And that is the point of G20. It is supposed to be hard and make you up your game.
349Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 17:52
Maybe this league has just passed me by. The idea of planning days in advance to pick someone up at 6:06 is not in my reality. At 6:06 I'm trying to get one or all three of my kids fed or bathed and FA pickups are near the bottom of my to-do list

this, exactly.

simply put, pouncing at a particular time isn't realistic for many people.

if im looking for a streaming SP for the next day, i see who's available, and then simply decide if he's worth the risk.

sometimes, you find a gold nugget in the pile of $hit (as i did with Jesus Aguilar), but that's a rarity.

the longer i've played in this league, the more i realize the odds of me ever winning, or maybe even finishing in the top 5, are slim, because i'd need a perfect season to do so - due to the aforementioned real life time contraints.

i enjoy the hell out of this league, but my expectations to win have been greatly tempered since my first year.

that's not to say i'm not going to keep trying :D
350darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 20:39
re: 344....I like playing a game centered around a game that I like. How's that for circular logic? I got into fantasy baseball during the Smallworld days, which is what brought me to this site. I loved that game and was damn good at it. Finished top 5 a few times and got invited to the inaugural RIBC (which I was only able to stay in for two seasons before getting demoted and dropping out due to grad school).

I like baseball but, honestly, it's a little forced. Sports, to me, are mindless entertainment and fantasy helped me give more of a damn. It's funny, but one of the reasons I wanted to care more about sports was to stay connected with my college friends who are all batshit crazy about sports. This was a way for me to ensure common interests in spite of moving away from them. Then I found out I liked fantasy and kept playing. I was honored to get invited into G20 because it seemed to me all the best managers were there and I was in rarified company.

But, as the years have passed, my time to keep up with baseball (the only sport I even try to follow anymore) has dwindled dramatically. I used to watch every Nationals game, now I'm lucky to see one a week. I used to scour box scores and news every day at work, then I got promoted a few times and have zero time at work to think about fantasy (and all the sites are blocked anyway). I get home and it's kids, kids, kids, then cleaning up dinner, and a free hour before I'm in bed getting ready to start all over again.

The reason I love the H2H leagues I'm in is that I'm always in it. You have a shitty week...big deal. There's always next week. Just make the playoffs and anything can happen. I feel like I have a chance there and it keeps me engaged. For some reason (and it really may be all in my head), there comes a point in the G20 season when I know I can't win and I stop caring as much.

I really wanted to try this year. I traded for Grandal when Castillo went down. I traded Cain for McCullers when I admitted my pitching was pathetic (and thought I'd be ok with Cespedes, Pollock, and Gomez) and reached out to 5 or 6 folks about closers, but couldn't get anything done. Then Pollock and Cespedes got hurt, my pitching got worse (and hurt) and I knew I was done. I've never felt resigned to losing in my H2H leagues but it happens every year here.

That's why I think it's possible keeper leagues just aren't for me. I don't take the proper approach. I don't drop guys quickly enough. I kept Ryan Zimmerman on my roster right up until he got activated. That's really stupid. I also don't have any time to make plans or work deals. Species said this league is supposed to be hard. Maybe I don't have it in me to work hard at a fantasy game. Time is the most scarce commodity in my life and I just never prioritize spending it on fantasy baseball, at least the amount of time I think is needed for this level of competition.

As I've thought more and more about it, it seems likely I no longer fit the mold of the manager this leagues needs. Like I said, one more year and if things are still status quo on my success, I'll probably drop out so the level of competition can be raised by someone with more time and energy.

351darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 20:53
re: 348...I agree the waiver wire isn't what makes a champion. It tends to be the people that are constantly working deals, making plans, researching prospects and, in short, spending a boatload of time thinking about how to win. The waiver wire is just another time-based element that is used by those folks, but it's not the most important part. Time is the key here and I, for one, have realized I don't have the time it takes to do all of those things. I'm still active, set my lineup every day, read news when I can, but I don't think I'm at a point in my life where I can take the approach you rightly suggest is part of a winning formula.

I guess my post a long time ago about 'is it me or is it the league' was to wonder...how many of the managers are spending that sort of time on the league? If it's only a few, then that seems like a problem. But, if I'm in the minority, then it makes sense for me to consider dropping out...after next year ;).
352Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 16:56
Juan Soto has exceeded prospect limits and is on Meatwads' roster. Accordingly, he has been removed from the prospect list.
353darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 16:06
RE: 221....Shane Greene has 28 saves and has met the condition of the trade I made with Guru.
354Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 19:47
...and thank you very much!
355Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 12:38
The Dirty Dozen league has a fun rule where the last place team has to cough up the $10.00 Draftime fee the next year. A fairly nominal, "kangaroo court" type of fine, but makes some sense.

Any thoughts on that?
356Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 12:58
I could support that.
357Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 14:47
I'm cool with that here, too. I came up with it a few years ago to discourage completely tanking.
358beastiemiked
      ID: 35282121
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 15:52
I love that idea. Iíd like to see it extended further than just last. Something like $10 for last $5 2nd to last.
359darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 21:07
I'd support that
360Tree
      ID: 217372011
      Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 08:21
And, for the second year in a row, my top pitching prospect - arguably the top pitching prospect in the league - goes down for the entire following season with a UCL tear and Tommy John surgery.

Last year Urias, this year Kopech.

What. The. Fvck.

Can we please have that DL thing?
361judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 09:38
Guys,

Just to let you know so you can breathe a sigh of relief, my team is so bad and has so little hope of resurrection of any kind, that despite one season long ago almost getting up to the top until Cargo and McCann DLíd together mid August for the season, I am throwing in the towel on this league.

I really though my team would be mid mid pack this year ó Sanchez, Santana, Russell, Herrera, Hamels, Franco, Giles, Jones, Reddick, Porcello, Gray, Peraza.(I did trade him and his only saving grace is 20 SB, the rest of his value is useless.)

Each of those players has slumped significantly ó including DL stints ó at some point in the season to show me that they are not as valuable as I had hoped they would be, but each has also had hot streaks. I do check the waiver wire, but there is nothing but losers there and I do not do the streaming thing. I do work to play as many position player games and pitch as many innings as I can.

This league is no longer fun for me. I do not have the timing or energy to make ridiculous amounts of transactions in the hope of getting lucky with a daily pick up.

So clap your hands and find another person to take over my woeful team for next year, 2019.

I will concentrate my fantasy resources on football where I do find championship success.
362judy
      ID: 35493114
      Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 09:42
357
I did not tank my team, it just sucks. I check in just about every day trying to get stats etc. Iíll pay the $10 for the next yearís manager if that makes people happy.
363Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Sat, Sep 08, 2018, 11:27
362 - sorry Judy. Didn't mean to imply the team in last place or near last place was tanking. Good or bad somebody will always be there.

Just meant it discourages people from doing it if they are so inclined. Doesn't mean somebody IS doing it.
364GO
      ID: 565491620
      Sun, Sep 09, 2018, 08:33
The last place thing is not directed at anyone... what it does do is give the bottom squads something to play for a bit to avoid. So you get a competition within the competition, even if just to avoid the nominal fee.
365Species
      ID: 281532116
      Sun, Sep 09, 2018, 12:35
362 - Judy - your integrity has never been challenged here. The mild little "fine" for being last would not be implemented until next year and would only be changed by league vote.

Sorry this league wasn't for you. I have appreciated your participation.
366Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Sep 09, 2018, 13:20
I would like to start the process of recruiting new managers for these 2 franchises immediately. I would like to get new owners into ESPN before the end of the season, get them into some of the discussions, and indoctrinate them into our rules. This will be infinitely better than starting up in February -- this will give new managers the chance to explore trades in the offseason.

We have had excellent results lately with both Gurupie and non-Gurupie managers, so I want us all to reach out to both. I would prefer to focus on managers with keeper league experience inclusive of prospect roster management. Per our rules, when there are multiple franchises available, a random draw will select a manager to choose their preferred franchise. As such, please find the rosters below, and feel free to point your recommendations here to see for themselves.

Judy's team:

Pos Player
C Gary Sanchez
1b Carlos Santana
2b Alen Hanson
3b Neil Walker
SS Addison Russell
OF Odubel Herrera
OF Adam Jones
OF Josh Reddick
UT Austin Romine
Bench Maikel Franco
Bench Roman Quinn

P Ken Giles
P Cole Hamels
P Rick Porcello
P Victor Arano
P Sal Romano
P James Shields
P Sonny Gray
P Matthew Boyd
P Ross Stripling
P Ryan Yarbrough
P Brian Johnson
P Kyle Barraclough

Prospects
OF Mickey Moniak
OF Alex Verdugo
P Sixto Sanchez


Bean's team:

Pos Player
C Yadier Molina
1b Joe Mauer
2b Jonathan Villar
3b Eduardo Escobar
SS Jean Segura
OF Ender Inciarte
OF Ben Zobrist
OF Denard Span
UT Yolmer Sanchez
Bench Adam Duvall
Bench Marwin Gonzales
Bench Christian Villanueva
Bench Tyler Austin

P Roberto Osuna
P Kenta Maeda
P Chase Anderson
P Anibal Sanchez
P Brad Keller
P Austin Gomber
P Aroldis Chapman
P Mike Fiers
P Jordan Zimmerman
P Junior Guerra

Prospects
SS Nick Gordon
SP Brent Honeywell
SP Forest Whitley
367Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 19:24
Accidentally dropped Schwarber. Sorry if that excites you. Can someone add him back?
368Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 19:34
367: Even League Managers can't do it until tomorrow, apparently.

This is a mistake that happens once in a while. When it is an obvious error I take the manager at their word. Please do not put a claim in on Schwarber. I should be able to correct this tomorrow.
369blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Tue, Sep 11, 2018, 11:01
Guru fixed this up. Thanks!

5 teams were within 2.5 points at the top yesterday. That's nuts. This finish is crazy.
370Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 03:12
Finally calling up Hirano for the first time.
371Nerfherders
      ID: 33543714
      Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 12:17
Ugh, Manaea shoulder surgery out all of 2019. That's a big blow to my plans for next year. Shoulder surgery is usually a death sentence for pitchers - very few make it back from that.
372Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 12:35
370: Hirano has surpassed prospect limits. As such, now that he is on your active roster he has been removed from the prospect list.
373Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 12:53
Also noticed that Jack Flaherty has exceeded limits and has been removed from the prospect list.
374ttucowboy
      ID: 545112110
      Mon, Sep 17, 2018, 13:40
I'd like to thank Brian Dozier for being a total waste down the stretch. You da man.
375Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 13:04
I have invited two new managers to join the G20 in the place of the departing Judy and Bean. Upon their acceptance, I will be giving them immediate control over their teams in ESPN. While the trade deadline has passed, they would at least have the opportunity to pick up free agents and make some tweaks to their rosters before the offseason starts. I would like to thank Judy and Bean for their participation over the years.

Our first new manager is Gregg and he is a referral from Meatwads. He is a longtime veteran of keeper leagues and has a deep knowledge of prospects. A perennial contender, we expect him to be very active and I believe his experience may help us as we consider rule changes.

Our second new manager is Stan and he is a referral from blue hen. They met via the Razzball site and their leagues that are played on Fantrax. He also has an extensive and successful experience in fantasy baseball, keepers leagues and prospect centric leagues.

As is tradition, we need to have a random draw / coin flip to determine who has their choice of franchises. Once that is done and our new managers have introduced themselves and chosen their teams, they will take their franchises on ESPN. Guru, at your reasonable convenience please run a coin flip to determine preference for choosing their teams.

I really like the idea of getting the new managers on board before the offseason. Not only can they make a few FA tweaks to their teams, but they have the entire offseason to indoctrinate themselves into our rules, start trade talks, etc.

Gregg and Stan --- please take a few minutes to introduce yourselves, talk a bit about your fantasy experience and be sure to provide your preferred email......the sharks will smell chum in the water and I'm sure will try to stir it up a bit ASAP!
376Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 13:52
Just did it. Stan wins the coin flip.
377Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 19:54
Welcome in guys.
378darkside
      ID: 81492120
      Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 20:45
Welcome to the league, Gregg and Stan!
379Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 09:33
welcome newcomers to the most fun and frustrating league i play in.
380beastiemiked
      ID: 35282121
      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 10:24
Welcome!
381Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 14:49
Welcome Gregg and Stan!
382Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 18:28
Want one of the top 15 prospects in the game?

I have three of them and am planting the seed for next spring:

Victor Robles is an easy top 5 prospect with a very high floor and star ceiling. High hit tool and great speed expected to produce 25-30+ steals. Power in the teens or perhaps to eclipse 20.

Nick Senzel is another high floor guy. He has a top flight hit tool and his power is burgeoning. Cincy has some work to do in deciding where to fit him into their infield, but he is coming in 2019.

Keston Hiura was probably the best college hit tool in the 2016 draft. Concerns about an injury affecting his ability to play 2b have gone away.

All three of these guys are easy "10th keepers" in 2019.

I am focusing on established players with solid 2019 value, even if not necessarily keeper worthy (i.e. age, modest injury history).

I also will have Prospect Picks as well as Yankees phenom Estevan Florial to trade. Start the conversation now!
383Lyman
      ID: 48842210
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 23:19
testing
384Lyman
      ID: 48842210
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 23:20
Yo. New guy here. Name is Stan. Been playing fantasy since 2000. I set my lineup daily and tend to make a lot of moves. Not as many as fellow leaguemate, David Lipman, however. David joined my competitive keeper league this year and - judging by the Transaction Counter in Gurupie - it won't surprise to learn that he has made, by far, more moves than any manager in the league. It should also be noted that David in his first season is running away with the league title, so props to him. I'm currently in a dogfight for second place, setting my lineup daily, as I do right down to the final day of the season in any league I play in.

I'm a long time Tigers fan who was fortunate to be present at both Verlanderís no-hitter in 2007 and Armando Galarragaís 28-out Perfect Game in 2010. Also a music historian with over 6,000 records. Can never seem to have enough vinyl.

Anyway, David Lipman was my gateway into this league - thank you, David! Also I'd like to extend a special thanks to Greg for the many detailed email and a thorough tutorial regarding the league setup and rules.

Watch out for the Lyman Bostock 10 in 2020 !!!!
385beastiemiked
      ID: 35282121
      Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 14:02
Blocking players by picking them up with no intention of starting them is pretty lame.
386GreggoRomans
      ID: 7527232
      Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 23:29
Hi. I am Gregg Curry, taking over Judy's team, and I am looking forward to joining your league. I have been in fantasy baseball since 1984, and have been in leagues with several of you before. I will likely use my usual team name, the Greggo Romans, with apologies to Young Roman. My email is serenoart@yahoo.com, and my phone is 206-948-5125. As soon as I can count up all my Phillies, I will start dreaming up offseason trade possibilities.
387RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 00:44
Baseball sucks, but "Yeah Washington Gurupies!"
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