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Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 11:37

THE DIRTY DOZEN LEAGUE CONSTITUTION

MONEY

Entry Fee = $30 (Due by Opening Day) Fee paid to Great One, I believe he prefers paypal.

Payouts = $360
1st Place $245
2nd Place $ 75
3rd Place $ 30
Draftime $ 10*

* - draftime is typically paid by the last place team and not part of the prize pot.

KEEPERS & SCHEDULE
Each team will name 7 keepers. To be eligible, the player must appear on your roster on the last day of the prior season.

The 2021 season starts on April 1. Keepers will be due by March 15 at 11:59pm PST. The draft will begin March 16.

SETTINGS

Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List

Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)

Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions/concerns. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.
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197wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Aug 03, 2021, 08:41
https://www.royalsreview.com/2021/8/2/22605812/dayton-moore-on-adalberto-mondesi-we-cant-count-on-him-as-an-everyday-player

Awesome- this article came out literally hours after the trade. Thats about how my season has gone. My thoughts were with Tatis hurt, and not knowing if he will be back this season my chances of making much of a move are done. I will not keep peralta next season and if mondesi comes back healthy next season i will keep him. He is a high SB guy and can change a category. Would i have made the trade if i saw this information, probably not, do i think it should be vetoed at this point, definitely not.
198Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Aug 03, 2021, 11:58
More votes to allow trade through than not so case closed.

doesn't make it any less of a disgusting trade.

it's the kind of trade that happens in a public league, and should never happen in a league like this.

to a person, everyone from outside of this league that i've asked was baffled it was allowed to go through.

199holt
      ID: 16481819
      Tue, Aug 03, 2021, 15:40
I saw that mondesi article yesterday like a couple hrs after I accepted wiggs' offer. I'm not buying what that GM is saying. It looks like a roundabout way of motivating Mondesi and sending him a message before they begin contract negotiations. Honestly mondesi was my favorite keeper and his injuries this year have been such a let down. When he is on the field there's not a more entertaining player in the league just to see what he does night to night. I don't think it's a stretch to think that he could be a #1 overall fantasy player in the future if he could just stay of the IL. My first inclination was to veto the trade, especially considering that he is on the cusp of returning to action, but the deal really made sense for my team and the realization of that finally cracked through my thick skull. Hopefully both peralta and mondesi are good contributors in the future. If peralta keeps pitching like this he'll be a keeper for me, maybe replacing my kershaw keeper slot.
200dpr
      ID: 3171768
      Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 09:17
Willing to move Rendon for pieces that would help me this year if there is a rebuilding team similarly interested. He has struggled with injuries this year and results have lagged as a result but offers top tier talent when healthy
201Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 11:45
So, I have a dynamite bullpen as most of you know. You also know I am leaving the league after this season. Seems my hopes of getting in the money this year are dwindling, so its time to look toward next year, albeit for someone else.

I have received several offers for my closers, but think it does the league the most service to put them on the trading block and let you all bid for them.

I think Kimbrel is keeper worthy, debatable whether it makes sense to keep more than one closer.

The offered players: McGee, Melancon and Hader.

To be clear, I am only going to consider pick offers, so you needn't offer any players other than throw aways. With your offer, tell me which of the closers you want, and what pick you would give for that player. Multiple offers is kosher. You wont get a second chance, so come with your best offers.

I am going out of town tomorrow, and will be back Wednesday evening. I'll accept the trades on Thursday and likely the process will be completed by Saturday.

I cant imagine anyone would object to any of this normal activity in any keeper league. You wont be able to complain that I am favoring any manger over another. However, if you think this isn't what a departing manager should be doing, I can suggest a good psychiatrist to help you deal with your issues. ;)

Good luck this year guys.
202 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 11:47
Oh yeah, the blue link for your convenience.
203GO
      ID: 531581023
      Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 08:07
I think trading your closers would be fine and would help your replacement a bunch with a few extra mid round picks.
204astade
      ID: 93141721
      Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 16:54
Gerrit Cole is still on the trading block.

Looking for an SP with low ratios on a winning team and a hitter with multi-position eligibility.
205 Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 17:32
Willing to trade most of my roster minus my upper tier keepers for draft picks. Closers, SPs, hitters! Aug 26 trade deadline.
206astade
      ID: 93141721
      Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 21:24
Has anyone been in touch with Cliff this summer? Just looking for confirmation that he is okay.
207GO
      ID: 531581023
      Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 21:48
He mentioned he is leaving all football leagues to keep up with some health stuff so he has been in touch.
208Astade
      ID: 39732821
      Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 22:03
GO, thank you.
209Khahan
      ID: 54833180
      Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 20:41
So I'm going to hunt down Trevor Story and see how much he'll pay me never to have him on one of my fantasy teams again. Not counting the shortened 2020 season I started 2021 with him here and 2017 with him in an ribc league. His 2 worst seasons and its not even close.
210Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 13:55
Huge bummer to see a manager who knows he is not returning to a keeper league drop the 11th ranked SP (and 4th by avg stats min 5 games started) presumably because his next start was questionable over the last week of the season.
211Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 13:52
between moves like that, and the still disgusting Bauer trade, i'm seriously weighing whether or not i'm going to return to this league after this season.

that Bauer trade was so wrong and should absolutely not have been allowed, it makes me question what sort of trades it would take in this league to get one overturned.
212GO
      ID: 33543812
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 09:36
There were only a couple votes against Bauer for Ray, correct.
And even today, I'd personally rather have Bauer as a keeper option over Ray who literally just went undrafted earlier this year in most leagues and had a 6+ ERA last year.

I probably don't keep either, but if this goes away for Bauer he's got the Cy Young upside. And he did just win the first court battle when they denied a restraining order, and texts revealed she asked for the BDSM stuff. So now its a grey area of where the line is drawn. Certainly not an open/shut thing. and that is why whoever did pick him up made a good move... he's a lottery ticket.
213Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 12:27
the only people i know who thought that trade was anything but gross are in this league.

Bauer will be lucky to pitch again in the Majors. At best, it's VERY unlikely he pitches in the bigs in 2022.

texts revealed she asked for the BDSM stuff.

indeed. but that doesn't me she asked to be anally raped while passed out. in her own words "I did not consent to bruises all over my body that sent me to the hospital and having that done to me while I was unconscious."

MLB's policy on sexual abuse, etc, is very specific here:

Sexual assault refers to a range of behaviors, including a completed nonconsensual sex act, an attempted nonconsensual sex act, and/or nonconsensual sexual contact. Lack of consent is inferred when a person uses force, harassment, threat of force, threat of adverse personnel or disciplinary action, or other coercion, or when the victim is asleep, incapacitated, unconscious or legally incapable of consent.

re the restraining order, he didn't win anything. in fact, it's probably worse for him, because part of the judge's ruling basically said that any woman who sleeps with Bauer should expect injuries to occur during the act, so give then the situation, a restraining order doesn't fit the bill.

that's not good for Bauer's MLB future.

Attorney Sheryl Ring (who deals with sports related stuff said "And that’s why this case isn’t the ringing victory Bauer’s legal team would have you believe. First, a court basically just ruled that Trevor Bauer is so dangerous that any woman who sleeps with him can reasonably be expected to get physically injured. Moreover, from the evidence adduced at trial in Bauer’s own words and from the mouth of Bauer’s lawyer, Bauer punched an unconscious woman and choked a woman until she was unconscious, because she didn’t say no. Coming on the heels of the Washington Post report that Bauer threatened to kill a woman in Ohio, this is damning - not exculpatory - evidence for a violent proclivity towards women. That Bauer’s attorney attempted to say that he was only violent during sex is not a defense."
214GO
      ID: 33543812
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 14:39
Actually two G20 people I asked valued Bauer higher.
215holt
      ID: 43956121
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 23:12
Re 210, agree 100%. Complete lack of regard for the future manager of that squad. Rodon is ranked higher than any pitcher that I have on my team. Even if the future owner of that team didn't want to keep him he would at least have trade value. Not impressed.
216GO
      ID: 33543812
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 09:27
Congrats to Astade on the 2021 win. Easily my worst season, but a lot of young guys to pick from for next year and try and fix this thing.
217Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 11:12
Grats Astade
218astade
      ID: 93141721
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 20:03
Thank you!
219dpr
      ID: 479221814
      Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 15:22
So what's the future of this league? Do we need to replace 3 managers now?
220 loki
      ID: 139401921
      Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 22:40
I'd like to poll the league so if necessary we can find replacement managers sooner than later.
221holt
      ID: 40943015
      Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 16:05
I'll be back.
222Perm Dude
      ID: 3310302519
      Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 14:17
I'll be returning, too.
223GO
      ID: 33543812
      Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 16:18
Returning
GO
PermDude
dpr
Loki
Holt

Out
Astade
Tree
Goat

Pending confrimation
Bean
DaBomb
Khahan
Wiggs
224Wiggs
      ID: 231012121
      Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 22:12
Back
225Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 12:05
Out
226Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 16:05
While I never officially said I wasn't returning in a public forum, this isn't a league I can, in good faith, return to.

I was here 16 seasons. I won two championships, and was in the top 4 six times beyond that. I've enjoyed my time here prior to this season, but I'm not so sure the league would veto a Pete Rose for Ronald Acuna trade at this point, on the basis that since he has a heartbeat, Rose could possibly make a come back.

227Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 10:16
In, but needing at least 4 new managers is tricky.
228holt
      ID: 40943015
      Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 01:09
Did anyone ever hear anything from goatlocker?
229GO
      ID: 511027128
      Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 09:27
He's leaving all leagues and is counted in the group leaving.
230 taxman
      ID: 111211923
      Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 00:30
If you have an opening, I'm interested.
231GO
      ID: 19101309
      Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 09:26
Of. course Mr. Tax. We've got a few so will have a lottery of some sort though need to determine if that is just picking which franchise they want... or perhaps we throw all players from the open teams into a pot and you guys do a dispersal draft. You'd still get a franchise and all traded picks associated. Perhaps we make that a "pick" or one of the rounds of the draft as well. Whoever gets first pick of the player picks, gets last choice of the franchise pick. Seems fair.
232GO
      ID: 19101309
      Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 15:28
I'll be in Disney till Feb 21st but will take a roll call for now... then we can see how many openings need to be filled.

Tax being one new addition.
233GO
      ID: 34025146
      Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 21:28
Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer will not be criminally charged by Los Angeles prosecutors, the L.A. County District Attorney's Office said Tuesday. The ruling concludes a five-month review of the case, which stems from sexual assault allegations made against Bauer by a San Diego woman who sought a restraining order against him in June.
234DPR
      ID: 91461021
      Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 10:02
I am still in if we are doing this and would miss the league but can tell interest is waning. Should we try to save the league and run as fewer teams or something?
235GO
      ID: 35231211
      Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 16:12
Returning
GO
PermDude
dpr
Loki
Holt
wiggs
DaBomb
TAXMAN-NEW

Out
Astade
Tree
Goat
Bean

Pending confirmation
Khahan -- where you at? you're always first to check in...

Anyone lurking... we've got a few teams available.

Since the new owners would be acquiring players as well as traded picks, I think the way I want to do it is a lottery with the 4 new managers. Let them pick which franchise they want (players, picks, drat slot... the whole package).
236holt
      ID: 40943015
      Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 12:03
Guys, the first game of the season is like 2.5 weeks away if I'm not mistaken and we're still a few managers short. I'm just going to bow out at this point. Think I'm going to reduce my fantasy baseball activity to just one league this year. My dad passed away last August and opening day doesn't feel exciting to me, for whatever reason. Probably will just play RIBC so I don't totally lose touch with the game.
237GO
      ID: 35231211
      Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 09:34
Thanks Holt. Sorry to hear about your father.

If we do get some people to step up and have a timeline I'll check back in with you one last time.

As we are a keeper league and half the draft is already "done", I think this year's unique circumstances would be fine to do a live online Yahoo draft so we could wait till the last minute with as much information as possible about players. If we don't have a batch of new managers step up, then its a moot point. Will open a thread and see what happens.
238GO
      ID: 35231211
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:48
Looks like we didn't get enough turnout so we'll call it a day. I'll be checking if anyone had any rollover balances to distribute and dish those out accordingly.

We almost hit the 20 year mark - impressive! I see myself, Khahan, Holt, Da Bomb, astade and wiggs from that original lineup. Crazy.
239wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:56
sad to see this happening- this was a fun league
240 loki
      ID: 57252918
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 19:06
I joined the Dirty Dozen a number of years after its inception and have enjoyed playing with all of you. I do not think I ever made the podium, never won a prize, but that did not diminish the fun I had in the league.
I'd like to see minibios of our members. Any others interested?
Good luck to everyone!!
241GO
      ID: 34025146
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 16:15
I tell ya, if we could still get 10 I'd be down for doing a live draft to keep this thing afloat. Could always expand back to 12 at a later date.

Could do a live draft Wednesday night.
242taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 18:48
I'm still interested
243 taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 18:48
I'm still interested
244 loki
      ID: 57252918
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 20:53
Love to play.
245Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 20:56
I'm down.
246GO
      ID: 35231211
      Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 09:09
I emailed Khahan cause he's been missing from this discussion. I think we'd need him at a minimum to even get to 10. Hope he's ok.
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