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0 Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2022 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 14:28


Fellow G20ers....

I am awaking from my Winter slumber. I lost my father in October (he was 82....it was his time and that's okay) and quite simply was distracted from these duties (Fantasy Football ending helped). But I am back and needing to catch up.....and am sad that my inaction killed all of the usual winter trades, talks, etc. after such an incredible battle down the stretch in 2021. The draft grids are up to date, inclusive of demerits, but before running our draft lotteries.

It's time to get down to business for the 2022 season, starting with ROLL CALL! Please reply and state your intent, or lack thereof, to return to G20 in 2021.

Bobo jumped in at the end of 2021 in place of mjd. Vampire Weekend originally noted at the end of the season that he did NOT intend to return. Perhaps he has had a change of mind....we will see.

As well as responding for Roll Call, we can also use this thread to begin rule change discussions. Minimum GP / IP continues to be a hot topic, and IP minimums could very well be considered this year given the continued evolution in pitcher usage in MLB. Feel free to bring up others that you are passionate about.
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242darkside
      ID: 02462122
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 21:33
re: 238…works for me
243GO
      ID: 35231211
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 08:57
Beer me!
244Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:34
While waiting with baited breath for the final pick, let me congratulate everyone on a fantastic Prospect Draft! After a slow start, we picked up the pace and got things done. Well done -- lots of great picks -- but when did Guru join the Rays front office, because he LOVES him some Tampa prospects!!

With that, I now declare the Supplemental Draft OPEN without a clock for 24 hours, or 1 full round, whichever comes first.

As a reminder to all, and to help our new managers, here are the important logistics to be aware of:

- Draftime is the domain to make our picks
- We have a 3 hour clock! Use your queues!!
- Players must be in the Yahoo pool to be eligible to be drafted (even if they show available in Draftime)
- We make all non-keeper players free agents in Yahoo to act as a helpful guide / database for the Supplemental Draft
- Managers are to pick up their own Supplemental draftees from the Yahoo database and add them to their team
--- this keeps the integrity of the players shown in Yahoo as pure as we can
- A player IN Yahoo but not noted in Draftime may be drafted by using the free form player entry feature
- HOWEVER, there are discrepancies between Yahoo and Draftime -- Draftime is the overriding platform
--- this relates most specifically to PROSPECTS. Prospects are "removed" from the Draftime database to the extent that our prospects are IN the Draftime database to begin with
--- example - Arizona DH Seth Beer is a strong candidate to make the Opening Day roster as a starting player. However, Great One drafted him in the Prospect Draft. If you search for Seth Beer in Draftime, he will show as "REMOVED" despite still being in the Yahoo database
--- managers need to self-filter prospects shown available in Yahoo as they build their queues and draft boards

Good luck and happy drafting! Hit me up via email or text, or post here with any questions.
245WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:44
TRADE

WG gets 1.08 and 12.08
Darkside gets 1.12 and 7.12
246darkside
      ID: 02462122
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:45
Confirmed
247Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:56
245: approved and processed
248darkside
      ID: 532481921
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 15:47
TRADE

blue hen gets 1.12 and 11.09
darkside gets 2.05 and 4.05
249Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 15:48
Confirmed.
250Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 16:30
Notice: I am looking to trade down some of my 6 picks in rounds 3-4-5 for 13th and 14th rounders.

What I want:
- 2022 second rounders
- 2023 early rounders
- 2023 prospect picks
- Joey Gallo
251Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 19:38
248 was processed, but when keepers and 10th keepers are finalized in Draftime, it locks them and I cannot adjust it. Sorry bh, but I can't adjust Josiah Gray out of the spot he was locked in when keepers were finalized.

I have turned on the 3 hour clock with a pause from Midnight to 9:00am ET daily. Since we got through a full round, and we are a day behind, it makes sense to go ahead and get the clock rolling.

Happy drafting!
252GO
      ID: 34025146
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:39
So proud I made the Species write up!
253Matt G
      ID: 576318
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:40
Trade Announcement!!

MattG Receives:

s3.05
s3.20
s7.05
2023 Round 8 supplemental pick from BlueHen

BlueHen receives
s2.04
s8.18
s12.04
2023 Round 5 supplemental Pick from MattG


254Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:41
Confirmed
255Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:54
253: approved and processed. The 2023 picks will need to be added to the constitution
256Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 11:17
From the treasurer:
Thanks to most of you for paying your dues very promptly.

The only managers I have yet to hear from are:
Nerfherders
Tree
codetoothpick

Also, Bobo has not yet responded. If I do not hear from him, I will assume he is deferring his option to join the pool until 2023.

See post 236 for details.
257Jon Dowd
      ID: 192322010
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 14:23
Trade: Blue Hen sends Jon Dowd his 2022 6.05 for Dowd’s 14.03. A corresponding 2023 swap is also in agreement with JD sending his 2023 6th rounder to BH for his 14th
258Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 14:24
Confirmed.
259Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 15:40
257: approved and processed. It will need to be added to the constitution as well
260Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:16
I’m picking C/DH Gary Sanchez with the pick I have between rounds 3/4. Not sure how to remove him from Drafttime
261beastiemiked
      ID: 2410291117
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 15:55
Pick up your players in Yahoo.
262Bobo
      ID: 8231213
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 16:00
Re: 256

I will elect to defer this year.
263Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 11:30
I'm in the money race. i will pay up.
264WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 15:10
TRADE

WG gets 6.16, 7.03, Fosten's 2023 s9, s11
Fosten gets 12.12, 14.20, WG's 2023 s5, s8


265Fosten
      ID: 142371216
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 15:46
Confirmed.
266Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 16:23
processed 264. I got debug errors in the process so pls let me know if there is an issue with your picks. Future picks to be added to the constitution
267WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 13:39
TRADE

BH gets Victor Robles and WG's best 2023 s9 (I currently have my own plus Fosten's from trade in 264)

WG gets 8.05 and BH's (worst if he has more than one) 2023 s7.
268Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 15:45
Confirm 267
269Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 19:29
Processed 267
270Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 10:52
any reason the draft is stopped?
271Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 11:15
270: Yes

Tosh drafted Robert Suarez (possible Padre closer) who is a protected prospect. Not fully his fault -- either Draftime added Suarez to the database after me/Lyman removed all of the prospects (most likely) or we just missed removing him from the draft.

So, I paused to make the correction, with Tosh did via text.
272GO
      ID: 35231211
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:05
I say we switch to Saves/Holds today, cause the Saves category sucks. Why has nobody thought of this?!
273Thumqer
      ID: 39230821
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:12
272 finally!
274 Code Toothpick
      ID: 49350113
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:50
Just paid dues via PayPal should come through via ilooktothesky@msn.com
275Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:58
[263] Everyone in the pool has now paid except for Tree.
276Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 13:48
There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours.

Jon Dowd has FAR exceeded this time (19:11:5O) with back to back time outs before this current pick.

Can we please skip him and move forward with this thing...
277darkside
      ID: 5534213
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 14:05
I’m done drafting, but support Tosh’s suggestion. It’s crazy how long the last few rounds have taken (but I haven’t looked at data, just a feeling…). Gotta keep this thing going!
278Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 14:12
codetoothpick has also exceeded the limit (14:32:08), and is upcoming in 7 picks.

279taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 15:19
I am kind of a newby ... but doesn't this venerable league have a method of dealing with MIA draft managers (Dowd and toothpick of late)??
280Species
      ID: 1412613
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 16:37
Dowd and Code will be skipped as their remaining picks come up. They can make them up at any time while the draft is still open.

Once the draft is over, if they did not make their draft picks they will have to go to the wire along with everyone else.
281darkside
      ID: 5534213
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 17:00
Thanks, Species! Watching all the manual intervention you and the other commishes have to manage makes me even more thankful it’s not my responsibility. Thanks for doing work that allows the rest of us to enjoy this hobby!
282Species
      ID: 1412613
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 20:55
Speaking of 280: the use of draft queues can mitigate this issue. Use them! :)
283Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 21:52
So youngroman auto-picked the same owned prospect that I did earlier ... Robert Suarez from SD. He was the last player in the prospect draft.

Apparently after I picked him ... he did not get removed from the database.

What to do??
284Species
      ID: 1412613
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 22:33
283: Ugh. Well, I have now removed him.

The draft continues. While I wish I had corrected it earlier, ultimately this error is on him. We continue.
285youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 03:51
my bad. I checked lots if other players if they are prospects, but for whatever reason did not do it for Suarez. no harm done.
286Lyman
      ID: 206491223
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 04:37
Complete updated alphabetical list of prospects posted on the messageboard at the Yahoo league page. No picky uppy of those guys!
287Blue hen
      ID: 410452818
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 21:17
Great draft everyone. Except for you slow guys, people who picked up prospects, and people who snaked my picks. Just kidding, except for the third one. Definitely happened a lot.

Want to put two proposals on the table.

1. Finishers 7-12 get 2 balls and finishers 13-20 get 3 balls, and all 14 non-money slots are determined by lottery for all rounds (you get that slot for all 14 rounds), plus all p draft. I’d love to start this for the 2023 draft but understand if people want 2024.

2. Moratorium end date is changed to Opening Day, instead of 30 days after keepers.
288Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 22:57
We have re-set the league and are entering all the draft picks, so that waivers claims can be made.

There are a couple of anomalies in the space-time continuum that we are attempting to resolve. You'll be alerted when the league has been re-started.

I'd like to echo BH in thanking everyone for a great draft. But the real stars are the Commishes that manage Draftime. It's a great site, but the admin tools are a bit dated. So when you knuckleheads [said with love] make random draft pick trades in the middle of the draft ... those Commishes were on it! Manually processing each and every trade. So thanks guys!!
289Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 23:33
The league has been activated. The waiver order will be reset correctly soon.

Like I said in the previous post, the admin tools in Draftime are someone dated, and there were A LOT of trades to try and process. In addition to eliminating all the prospects one by one. So mistakes can happen. I certainly don't hold Species responsible, since everyone was told to check your draft list before we started. Those of you that are short a player this year will probably count your picks in 2023. :)

Jon Dowd drafted 24 players. David Peralta has been returned to the FA pool.

Species drafted 24 players. Bradley Zimmer has been returned to the FA pool.

Taxman drafted 22 players. Oops.

Donkey Kong drafted 22 players. Oops.

Good luck to everyone! May none of your players end up on the COVID list.
290Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 10:39
2022 S-Draft pick trades for posterity before they are deleted from the Constitution:

These managers have had their 2022 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-25-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 2nd for his 14th (Closers, Segura)
8-01-19 Fosten receives Meatwads’ 6th and 7th for his 11th and 12th (Hand/Odorizzi)
8-06-19 blue hen receives Meatwads’ 3rd for his last (LeClerc)
8-11-19 blue hen receives Species’ 5th for his 9th (Hamels)
8-16-19 bmd receives Greggo’s 4th for his 9th (A. Reyes)
8-22-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 3rd for his 13th (Melancon/Yarbrough)
8-23-19 Jon Dowd receives Meatwads’ 1st for his last (W. Smith/Choo)
8-26-19 youngroman receives Species’ 6th for his 9th (Calhoun)
8-27-19 Thumper receives Species’ 5th for his 8th (Bassitt)
8-27-19 bmd receives Meatwads’ 4th for his last (Bradley)
1-20-20 bmd receives Lyman’s 6th for his 13th (J. Rodriguez)
3-04-20 DonkeyKong receives Jon Dowd’s 2nd for his 10th (2020 s-picks)
3-08-21 bmd receives Species 1st and 3rd for his 8th and 9th (2021 s-picks)
3-11-21 Fosten receives Jon Dowd’s 8th for his 14th (Gilbert / Wheeler, 21 s-picks)
3-11-21 Fosten receives WG’s 8th and 9th for his 13 and last (2021 s-picks)
3-22-21 DonkeyKong receives Thumper’s 9th for his 14th (Bush, 21 pick)
4-19-21 Lyman receives bmd’s 1st for his 9th (McGee)
5-07-21 Jon Dowd receives Thumpers 1st for his 7th (W. Smith, C. Taylor)
5-12-21 Jon Dowd receives WG’s 3rd for his 9th (Y. Garcia / G. Kirby)
5-23-21 blue hen receives bmd’s 4th for his 14th (Belt)
5-28-21 VampireWeekend receives Species’ 2nd for his 8th (Pineda)
6-06-21 blue hen receives Tosh’s 7th for his 11th (Bubic)
5-12-21 Lyman receives GO’s 1st for his 14th (Voit/Ray)
6-27-21 WG receives Thumper’s 3rd for his 9th (Y. Garcia)
7-05-21 Lyman receives Thumper’s 3rd (via WG) for his 5th (Sanchez/Duvall)
7-16-21 Jon Dowd receives GO’s 3rd for his 11th (Crawford)
8-05-21 Jon Dowd receives bmd’s highest 4th for his 12th
8-13-21 Lyman receives Tree’s 3rd for his 13th (Means. J. Hernandez)
8-16-21 WG receives Species’ 3rd (via bmd) for his 14th (Canha)
8-25-21 WG receives Tree’s 8th for his 13th (Toro)
8-25-21 blue hen receives bmd’s 3rd for his 12th (Nimmo)
8-26-21 Jon Dowd receives Lyman’s 5th (via bmd) for his 8th (K. Seager)
8-26-21 Lyman receives WG’s 5th for his 8th (E. Hernandez)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Species’ 4.12 for his 5.14 (Scherzer / Gilbert + prospects)
—5.14 to Thumper to complete trade from 8-27-19
3-20-22 Tree receives Bobo’s 4.02 for his 5.18 (Riley / Varsho + Garcia)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Bobo’s 1.04, 13.02 and 14.02 for his 8.13, 8.14 and 10.14 (Cronenworth/Haniger)
3-20-22 Fosten receives DK’s 1.14, 12.05 and 13.05 for his 9.13 and 9.14 (Meadows, ‘23 s-picks)
3-22-22 Thumper receives 2.14 and 2.16, Dowd receives 5.14, DK receives 12.17, 14.05 and 14.14 (P-picks)
3-23-22 WG receives Matt G’s 3.04 and 4.04 for his 8.08 and 8.18 (P-pick swap)
3-23-22 Thumper receives DK’s 3.14 and 4.14 for his 10.17 and 11.17 (P-pick)
3-23-22 WG receives Fosten’s 7.13 for his 10.12 (‘23 S-pick, P-pick swap)
3-25-22 WG receives 1.08 and 12.08 from darkside for his 1.12 and 7.12
3-25-22 blue hen receives Matt G’s 2.04, 8.18 and 12.04 for his 3.05, 3.20 and 7.05 (plus ‘23 s-pick)

3-26-22 Jon Dowd receives blue hen’s 6.05 for his 14.03 (‘23 S-pick swap)
291Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 10:49
289: THANK YOU TOSH for your work on re-entering the draft. This is a necessary repeat step in order to put all players on waivers since we use live rosters during the S-draft.

THANK YOU LYMAN for a TON of help with Draftime as we led up to the S-Draft.

THANK YOU THUMPER and any other Draftime Admins who stepped up while I was away to process in-draft pick trades so the draft may move on.

I do apologize to the league for what turned out to be a few more loose ends / errors than normal. I do the best I can, but I also do all of this during sometimes short windows between personal and professional priorities.

....this includes me screwing up my own Draftime. I neglected to replace Alek Thomas for my 14th round pick. I am not sure how the other teams' situations - Dowd with 24, and two teams with 22 - got screwy, but they did.

Please check your rosters and advise of any correctable errors. Great job on the Draft!

We are good to go for the regular season! Waivers have been updated. Remember, the trade moratorium is still in effect. You can make other trades, call up prospects and make your pickups.

Best of luck. A new in-season thread will be started shortly.
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