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Subject: The future of the Invitational leagues
Posted by: Nerfherders
- [56261418] Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 14:32
With Guru stepping down, I'm curious if there was any thought about continuing the Invitational leagues. With baseball coming up, we probably need to start coming up with a plan, if we do, as a community, decide to continue the leagues, I'd be more than happy to help in any capacity, at least with baseball and football.
I also want to take the opportunity to thank Dave for this site and all the years of hard work he put into making this community of fantasy players what it is. I don't play fantasy with anyone else, so I appreciate it and definitely have an interest in keeping the leagues we all love going. |
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| 58 | Seattle Zen
ID: 132181420
Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 21:18
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Nerf - re #56
That looks good to me.
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| 59 | Wiggs
ID: 42291420
Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 21:29
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I’ll get in if there is still a spot.
Thanks zen for the message
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| 60 | kdl212
ID: 391311121
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 00:14
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I'm in again if there's space.
Smith & 9th (last named the Ex-Holt's in 2021 RIBC)
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| 61 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 05:14
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Update with some standings research from draft pick selection threads.
Can't commit full time in order to commish, but will help as much as possible.
1 Jeff - R-11
2 Nerf - R-13
3 Zen - R-5T*
4 blue hen
5 GO - AAA-4*
6 SR - R-4*
7 Jason - AAA-12
8 loki AAA-16
9 Bean - AAA-1*
10 uptown - AAA-2*
11 Fosten
12 mailed - R-2*
13 IAC
14 mmikulka - R-1*
15 filthy rich - AAA-7
16 DaBomb - R-14
17 maspero
18 gurudan - AAA-9
19 DaveR - AAA-11
20 C1-NRB - AAA-10
22 CrackBabies - AAA-6
23 YWK - AAA-15
24 holt - R-15
25 ksoze - AAA-8
26 Electroman - AAA-13
27 Perm Dude
28 sandorkiss - AAA-5
29 Graydog - R-16
30 Wiggs - AAA-3*
31 kdl212 - R-8*
32
12 return from RIBC, 2 not returning, and 2 not heard from yet (Meatwads & Youngroman)
2 returning not sure which is which, Fosten & Maspero (munson mobsters & rotten amoebas?)
15 return from AAA Yahoo, 1 not heard from (artofmonk/dale for the hall)
3 return from AAA ESPN, still not sure of previous standings.
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| 62 | JeffG
ID: 44182712
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 10:15
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Wolfer commished AAA ESPN last year... reached out via email to see if wolfer can provide standings.
lets get one more and we have 32. Someone can then split the participants to 2 groups - majors and AAA.
I will (reluctantly) commish the league i am in - i am on the cusp right now. My league will be ESPN and follow the same config as RIBC last year.
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| 64 | maspero
ID: 3927113
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 10:16
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Yep,
maspero = rotten amoebas
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| 65 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 384502818
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 12:00
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ESPN Standings:
https://fantasy.espn.com/baseball/league/standings?leagueId=1019674710
RK TEAM Points
1 Milchian Magicians 154
2 Canada IAC 127
3 Team Blue Hen 118
4 Uncle Stevie's Mets 111
5 Team Tilt23 106
6 Tosh! Hit the Ball! 102
7 Crazy Joe Davola 95.5
8 Team Fleisher 83
9 Species RIBC 82
10 BMD Whiffers 78
11 Team Courtright 73
12 Matt G 65.5
13 Jon Dowd 51.5
14 Team Wolfe 50
15 Pawcatuck Pawcats 48.5
16 Team GoatLocker 15
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| 66 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 12:57
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1 Jeff - R-11
2 Nerf - R-13
3 Zen - R-5T*
4 blue hen - AAA-3*
5 GO - AAA-4*
6 SR - R-4*
7 Jason - AAA-12
8 loki AAA-16
9 Bean - AAA-1*
10 uptown - AAA-2*
11 Fosten - R-12
12 mailed - R-2*
13 IAC - AAA-2*
14 mmikulka - R-1*
15 filthy rich - AAA-7
16 DaBomb - R-14
17 maspero - R-7*
18 gurudan - AAA-9
19 DaveR - AAA-11
20 C1-NRB - AAA-10
22 CrackBabies - AAA-6
23 YWK - AAA-15
24 holt - R-15
25 ksoze - AAA-8
26 Electroman - AAA-13
27 Perm Dude
28 sandorkiss - AAA-5
29 Graydog - R-16
30 Wiggs - AAA-3*
31 kdl212 - R-8*
32
Perm Dude was in AAA ESPN, but I can't match him to a team name.
So far, it gives us 12 automatic qualifiers, who have been marked with * above.
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| 67 | Seattle Zen
ID: 10241512
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 13:04
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Perm Dude was Team Courtright - AAA-11
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| 68 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 54146810
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 13:10
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I believe he was Milchian Magicians?
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| 69 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 54146810
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 13:13
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Actually... 67 looks correct
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| 70 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 18:58
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It feels like we're at the point where we can lock in a top 16 while we wait for a 32nd manager.
Maybe a top 15 considering only 1 spot remains if we're going to allow another evening for a qualifier to make claim?
12 qualified.
9/10 RIBC no reply/no return.
5-6 AAA, 2 more qualify.
11/12 RIBC.
Either 12th RIBC or another qualifier takes the 32nd spot?
1- mmikulka - R-1*
2- mailed - R-2*
3- SR - R-4*
4- Zen - R-5T*
5- maspero - R-7*
6- kdl212 - R-8*
7- Bean - AAA-1*
8- uptown - AAA-2*
9- IAC - AAA-2*
10- blue hen - AAA-3*
11- Wiggs - AAA-3*
12- GO - AAA-4*
13- sandorkiss - AAA-5
14- CrackBabies - AAA-6
15- Jeff - R-11
16- give it to 12th RIBC or wait another day??
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| 71 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 19:00
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Or was PD the Magicians?
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| 72 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 19:14
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Our list was missing a 21. So it's 2 spots we wanna fill.
One of these two might bump up depending which team was Perm Dude, and if no late entrant from a higher qualifier.
11 Fosten - R-12
27 Perm Dude
These 13 seem pretty set on a ticket to AAA:
17 Nerf - R-13
18 Jason - AAA-12
19 loki AAA-16
20 filthy rich - AAA-7
21 DaBomb - R-14
22 gurudan - AAA-9
23 DaveR - AAA-11
24 C1-NRB - AAA-10
25 YWK - AAA-15
26 holt - R-15
27 ksoze - AAA-8
28 Electroman - AAA-13
29 Graydog - R-16
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| 73 | JeffG
ID: 25323010
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 20:21
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PermDude was Aaa 11 so he’ll settle there
Let’s see if we magically get 2 more (I’ll nudge a few folks, please do the same) than I will officially split the leagues, open two threads, commish one, and open up the draft pick selection process for both leagues… everyone be ready.
We’ll slow draft on Draftime as soon as they launch and we get through the selection. Again fair warning to prepare to all
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| 74 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 20:54
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JeffG - count me in!
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| 75 | twilson
ID: 24214161
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 02:14
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Hey all, I'm Milchian Magicians and I'm interested in one of the last two slots.
Note that I'll be traveling through India for the entirety of the draft. I'm not thrilled about how much heavy queue reliance that will require for my draft, but I don't want to skip the whole season for that alone.
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| 76 | JeffG
ID: 25323010
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 03:48
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Looks like we are all set
Please review, let me know if something is not right or any changes
So here is RIBC
1- mmikulka - R-1*
2- mailed - R-2*
3- SR - R-4*
4- Zen - R-5T*
5- maspero - R-7*
6- kdl212 - R-8*
7- Bean - AAA-1*
8 - Twilson - AAA-1
9 - uptown - AAA-2*
10- IAC - AAA-2*
11- blue hen - AAA-3*
12-Wiggs - AAA-3*
13- GO - AAA-4*
14-sandorkiss - AAA-5
15-CrackBabies - AAA-6
16-Jeff - R-11
Here is AAA
17-Fosten - R-12
18-Nerf - R-13
19-DaBomb R-14
20-Holt-R15
21-Grey dog R16
22-Filthy AAA-7
23-Keizer AAA-8
24-Species AAA-9
25-gurudan - AAA-9
26-c1-NRB AAA-10
27-DaveR - AAA-11
28-Perm Dude - AAA-11
29-Jason AAA-12
30-Electroman - AAA-13
31-YWK-AAA15
32-Loki AAA-16
Will start threads for each league and get the pick selection rolling in the AM
Will see if I can compile two e-mailing lists
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| 77 | JeffG
ID: 44182712
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 09:24
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ok i am trying to compile a list of emails for everyone using old mailing lists or the guru registry or those who linked with their handle in these threads.
i need
- uptown
- crack babies
- sandorkiss
- nerfherders
- da bomb
- grey dog
- keizer
- DaveR
- Jason
- electroman
- ywk
also - i need to generate a random sequence 1-16.
Can two managers click here and copy and paste the sequence. This will be used for the order for the draft slot selection
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| 78 | mailedfoot
ID: 5082825
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 09:47
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Here is your sequence:
12
1
14
10
2
3
5
8
15
11
9
6
13
4
7
16
Timestamp: 2022-03-16 13:45:53 UTC
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| 79 | JeffG
ID: 44182712
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:05
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ONE MORE SEQUENCE PLEASE
someone CLICK HERE and copy and paste results please
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| 80 | maspero
ID: 3927113
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:25
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14
16
9
10
6
15
4
5
7
2
1
8
13
3
12
11
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| 81 | JeffG
ID: 44182712
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:32
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RIBC
I took an alphabetical list of managers (used name as listed in post [76]) and applied first set of numbers.
Bean 12
blue hen 1
CrackBabies 14
GO 10
IAC 2
JeffG 3
kdl212 5
mailedfoot 8
maspero 15
mmikulka 11
sandorkiss 9
SR 6
Twilson 13
uptown 4
Wiggs 7
Zen 16
got this order
blue hen
IAC
JeffG
uptown
kdl212
SR
Wiggs
mailedfoot
sandorkiss
GO
mmikulka
Bean
Twilson
CrackBabies
maspero
Zen
then applied second set of numbers which represent order for choosing draft slot
blue hen 14
IAC 16
JeffG 9
uptown 10
kdl212 6
SR 15
Wiggs 4
mailedfoot 5
sandorkiss 7
GO 2
mmikulka 1
Bean 8
Twilson 13
CrackBabies 3
maspero 12
Zen 11
so here is selection order
1 mmikulka
2 GO
3 CrackBabies
4 Wiggs
5 mailedfoot
6 kdl212
7 sandorkiss
8 Bean
9 JeffG
10 uptown
11 Zen
12 maspero
13 Twilson
14 blue hen
15 SR
16 IAC
AAA
I took an alphabetical list of managers (used name as listed in post [76]) and applied first set of numbers.
C1-NRB 12
DaBomb 1
DaveR 14
Electroman 10
Filthy 2
Fosten 3
Grey dog 5
gurudan 8
Holt 15
Jason 11
Keizer 9
Loki 6
Nerf 13
Perm Dude 4
Species 7
YWK 16
got this order
DaBomb
Filthy
Fosten
Perm Dude
Grey dog
Loki
Species
gurudan
Keizer
Electroman
Jason
C1-NRB
Nerf
DaveR
Holt
YWK
then applied second set of numbers which represent order for choosing draft slot
DaBomb 14
Filthy 16
Fosten 9
Perm Dude 10
Grey dog 6
Loki 15
Species 4
gurudan 5
Keizer 7
Electroman 2
Jason 1
C1-NRB 8
Nerf 13
DaveR 3
Holt 12
YWK 11
So here is selection order
1 Jason
2 Electroman
3 DaveR
4 Species
5 gurudan
6 Grey dog
7 Keizer
8 C1-NRB
9 Fosten
10 Perm Dude
11 YWK
12 Holt
13 Nerf
14 DaBomb
15 Loki
16 Filthy
Will open new threads for each league
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| 82 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 11:45
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my email attached.
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| 83 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 15:10
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Any thoughts on site preference? I think whatever we choose should be the same for both leagues so Ohtani is treated equally.
My preference is always Yahoo!
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| 84 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 22:11
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here is my email
Prefer Yahoo always
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| 85 | ksoze
ID: 72451314
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 22:35
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Prefer yahoo
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| 86 | Species
ID: 1412613
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 22:57
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No preference....but need to know before picking draft slot.
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| 87 | JeffG
ID: 44182712
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 08:24
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if i am commishioning RIBC i am choosing ESPN. If someone else commishes- we can vote.
AAA - someone needs to step up and commish, and talk among the leaguemates
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| 88 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 13:28
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I'll run AAA but I would prefer to run Yahoo. I would have to be reminded how Ohtani was handled in Yahoo last year.
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| 89 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 19:00
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In 2021 Yahoo AAA the question didn't seem to arise.
I drafted batter 11th round, and pitcher 17th round.
Kept throughout the year.
Perhaps I should've campaigned for an extra roster spot, but it didn't seem to be worth the hassle this time around...
In 2020 Yahoo AAA the question did come up, and commish decided to treat him as one player where the owner could drop the batter for the pitcher on the day he pitched.
He only pitched 2 times in 2020, and it looks like someone else added him instead of the owner that should have had him. Not the smoothest handling in 2020.
For 2022, I would say that commish should get to choose as a reward for stepping up.
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| 90 | JeffG
ID: 25323010
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 20:45
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Nerfherders and I were discussing the set up.
We are going to clone the set up for 2021
We had a 26th roster spot but still drafted 25 rounds.
We had one IL slot. The IL ‘guru house rule‘ I recall is you could not pick up a player on while IL and stow him in your IL.
Draftime has not launched yet so I would like to have a 3 hour clock but will defer if the consensus is 4 or longer, I know we have folks outside the US so a shorter clock would possibly impact then more so speak up. It is likely the draft will not completed by opening day 4/7, So we will load rosters on 4/6 based on the last complete round so we can all play our main picks and then load the rest post draft. Managers can pick up a player from there out while they draft them.
Hoping folks can help out and push the draft selection along.. if you know a contact number for the person up, reach out
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| 91 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 15:36
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If it is possible, I would like to see a clock that shortens as the draft progresses.
Example:
Round 1-5 we get 4 hour clock.
Round 6-10 is a 3 hour clock.
Round 11-15 is a 2 hour clock.
Round 16 to the end is a 1 hour clock.
By round 16 there's usually only 3-5 players being picked off my queue per round. Easy to replenish at the busiest of times.
Often names remain from my previous round's top 5-10 options by this point and I don't even have to replenish.
Being firmly against using a queue, even after pick 250 is a level of stubbornness that I can really appreciate, but the software we use makes it impossible for anyone to convince me that they need 3-4 hours for their late picks in a draft like this.
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| 92 | Graydog
ID: 42211816
Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 17:44
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I like Filthy's clock idea.
Could even simplify it a bit and go 4 hours through round 13 and down to 2 for the rest of the draft.
It always stumps me about how long some picks after pick 250 take. Set some queues and keep things moving or miss a pick.
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| 93 | Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 17:23
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So this is where the info is buried? We don’t email anymore?
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| 94 | JeffG
ID: 25323010
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 19:47
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So sorry Matt… This thread was opened 5 weeks ago and for a while we struggled to round up people. Guru is retired, no one is in charge, no one owns custody of a global contact list for this, we all just tried to jointly put something together to keep this tradition going.
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| 95 | Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 21:07
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I get it Jeff, just wish I woulda have known. Thing is y’all know me, been here for 25 years my email is all over the place. I don’t always dive into the threads as I’m busy; wish I would have.
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| 96 | JeffG
ID: 59254317
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 11:17
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OK gang.. leagues are set and season is nearly underway.
With 2 leagues - RIBC (majors) and AAA in 2022 -
Any thoughts on to who gets promoted to RIBC / relegated to AAA for 2023?
My thoughts are top 8 in each advance to the majors and everyone else go to AAA. But lets decide now so there is no confusion.
Also I know some people were late in hearing about us continuing this (but not enough for another 16 in another AAA), so next year we take the 16 that qualify for RIBC, then the first 16 to commit to AAA until full.
Anyone who wants to get on the emailing list for next year that I and Nerf are compiling from this years participants plus those who missed out. Let me know here and I will add you.
So top 8 in each? Something else? Place your vote below. majority wins
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| 97 | C1-NRB
ID: 49358110
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 11:58
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I say this as someone who has never made it to the RIBC.
When we had multiple qualifying leagues it made sense to keep the top half (plus Guru) in the RIBC. Now that we have fewer qualifying leagues I think the RIBC should still remain more "exclusive." It's just my opinion, but I think the minimum should be top 12 stay in RIBC and the top 4 AAA get an invitation.
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| 98 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 12:01
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Top 8 sounds good to me. Don't know if you want to announce tiebreaker rules while you're at it.
Compiling all of the best ever lists gave me a glimpse into Guru's thought process. Guru seemed to kinda allow himself a little wiggle room. It was an invitational after all. If you haven't asked him already, you might want his input.
Just as an aside, if you lock it at exactly 8 from each league, then if you finish 9th, there's a pretty good chance your going to be in the majors next season, if history is any indicator. There are always a few people who don't come back.
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| 99 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 15:23
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I kind of like the idea of the top 7 RIBC and top 4 AAA automatically qualify, and then it trades off AAA/RIBC until we finish the top 16. If everyone comes back, that would be top 9/top 7. I would also say anyone who finishes 13th or worse cannot qualify for RIBC, unless we are out of managers.
This gives us a bit of wiggle room in case more managers who were in RIBC leave than who were in AAA, but also keeps RIBC a bit more exclusive.
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| 100 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 54146810
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 20:36
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My vote... Is whoever is all time leader across all Rotoguru sports, get an an inaugural invitation in-lieu of Guru himself
;)
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| 101 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:58
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I forgot, How did you determine it for this year, Jeff?
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| 102 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:02
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Wouldn't it be great to have Will Smith, ATL, RP pitch to Will Smith, LAD, C, then have the latter smack the Rock out of the park?
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| 103 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:12
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Point of clarification,
Can we add a guy on IL for our 26th roster spot?
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| 104 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:43
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re: 101. See post 56.
I could be mistaken, but I think the rule is that we can add someone on the IL, we just can't PUT them on OUR IL.
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| 105 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:57
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But it was ok to draft a guy who was IL, this extra roster slot that we are just picking up and not drafting (who knows why) is a grey area.
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| 106 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 13:01
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I think we didn't draft the extra guy last year because drafts had already started before the extra roster slot was added. Dont remember exactly.
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| 107 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 16:52
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<100> I am not doing that list anymore. If you want my spreadsheets, so that you can continue it, I can send them to you.
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| 108 | filthy
ID: 45320290
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 23:43
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I'd think top 8 RIBC, and top 4 from AAA earn automatic berths.
Then the final 4 spots with flexibility depending how tight the races in each league ended.
Example 1:
RIBC
8th: 88pts;
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9th: 87pts; ***
10th: 85pts; ***
11th: 84.5pts; ***
12th: 68pts;
AAA
4th: 97pts;
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5th: 93pts; ***
6th: 89.5pts;
7th: 83pts;
I'd wanna see 11 & 5 qualify in this case....
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Example 2:
RIBC
8th: 88pts;
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9th: 83pts; ***
10th: 80.5pts;
11th: 79pts;
12th: 74pts;
AAA
4th: 97pts;
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5th: 95.5pts; ***
6th: 94pts; ***
7th: 93pts; ***
8th: 81pts;
I'd wanna see 9 & 7 in this case.
Fun with brainstorming, I'm cool with anything really.
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