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0 Subject: 8 Men Out Keeper League 2022 Season 9

Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Thu, Feb 24, 2022, 11:52

Positions for 24 round draft:

C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
NAx1

Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves+Holds, K's, ERA, Whip

14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count if hosting site rules allow

Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters

Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players but can be changed to any earlier round in the first draft following the trade. Declaration of the new round is required at the time of keeper declaration.
In-season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.

Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.

Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson in round 5. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players). I may also keep Sandberg in Round 5 and Dawnson in any round 1-5 provided I have a slot available for him

Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a round 5 pick before keepers are declared.

Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either in round 5. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick. I may not keep Sandberg any longer as there is no draft slot to put him in. I may declare Dawson as a keeper in any round of 1-4 as long as I have a keeper slot available.

Keepers are due 18 days before the first game of the regular season.

Keeper eligible rounds should be determined by checking the prior years draft results at draftime.com not at the yahoo league site.

Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.


Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.

If you receive a keeper eligible player via trade, you may move that player's keeper round up during the keeper declarations after you received him. All other keeper rules still apply.
Example - in 2014 Khahan drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6. During the 2015 I trade him to another manager. In the 2016 keeper declaration Billy Hamilton may be declared as a keeper in any round 1-6 provided the manager has a draft slot free. For all future years that Hamilton remains a keeper that chosen round is now considered his keeper round.


Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.

The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at Draftime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.

The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).

Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if we must meet a deadline.

Shohei Ohtani
As of 2018 yahoo has announced that Shohei Ohtani will have a player slot as a pitcher and a hitter. We will be treating these players as 2 distinct players. For intents and purposes there is a player named Shohei Ohtani who is a pitcher and a second player named Shohei Ohtani with hitting eligibility.

If we change hosting sites to a site that uses a single Shohei Ohtani or Yahoo updates to a single Shohei in future years we will handle the combining as follows:
1. If No manager has either Shohei he is drafted like any other player
2. If 1 manager has 1 Shohei and the other is not on a roster, that manager can name Shohei as a keeper
3. If 1 manager has both Shohei's he can choose either players round to make the new single Shohei a keeper
4. If 2 different managers each have different halves of Shohei, they can each submit a blind bid to keep the new singularity-Shohei. The manager who submits the earliest round gets Shohei. If there is a tie the manager will the earliest draft pick keeps him. He will be kept in the round of the submitted bid. Example I have Pitcher Shohei in r8 and Bean has hitter Shoehei in round 11 and he becomes 1 player next year, we both submit a blind bid. If I submit my bid as round 3 and Bean submits round 4, I keep Shohei as a R3 keeper.

A full, active league is extremely important to a fun time for all. A few managers seemed to give up on their teams and did not even check in on their team the final month. I will be keeping an eye on these teams and if at any point I feel a lack of interest is becoming the norm I will find a replacement manager. Please, a league like this is comprised of 13 other people who are all here to compete. If you truly do not feel you can stay focused for a full season bow out. If you have shit come up and fantasy baseball simply isn't your focus and you opt out on your own, I'll gladly give you first crack down the road to return when your situation changes. But if it gets to the point that I remove you - you're done. So please, give consideration not just to your schedule but to everybody else's schedule as well.
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41Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:17
Your keepers are due today. Still need keepers from:
WG
wiggs
Tree

Draft Time is up. We have no new owners so you all should be enrolled. Please take a minute to check that 8 Men Out is in your active drafts.

I will start the draft untimed tomorrow, once I get it all set up. We will start with no clock, I will turn on a four hour clock after 24 hours. Hopefully I wont have to adjust that throughout the draft.

42WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:28
Sorry, been out of town the past few days. I would have voted no to the proposal too but also think Wiggs makes a good point about late real picks not costing the same throughout their careers. I've benefited from some late pick success but also wouldn't be against making some change that maybe splits the difference between Bean's proposal and doing nothing.

Will post my keepers today.
43wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:37
I am deciding one 1 keeper i will post shortly
44 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:40
Got a few good options for one last slot, let me know if any interest in a 2 for 1 or pick swap.

7 Zac Gallen
8 Zack Wheeler
14 Cody Bellinger
20 Jared Walsh
45 Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:43
available for trade:

10 - Andrew Vaughn
12 - JOEY GALLO
14 - Yu Darvish
17 - Framber Valdez
21 - ALEX KIRILLOFF


there are some serious bargains here. email me, or if you have my number, Text me, and let's TALK!
46WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 13:44
Also should be noted everyone should take the extra step of making sure you didn't re-add someone you dropped. Franmil Reyes was such a guy for me, I dropped during his injury then re-added, so lose the right to keep.
47WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 14:36
Didn't we have a rule that a player needed to have a minimum AB/IP to be eligible to be kept? I don't see it above.
48Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 14:37
I'll double check those once I get everyone's keepers WG. They aren't common and are easy to check for.

Hopefully it wont result in delays.
49Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:32
Also need keepers from Crack Babies. He posted a question in the keepers thread, is why I had him in the "submitted" pile.

So there are four who still need to post keepers:
WG
wiggs
Tree
Crackbabies
50Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:32
So, does that rule exist? If so, what are the minimums and where was it originally posted?
51Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:38
I see that we've TALKED about that rule, but in checking previous rules threads, I'm not seeing the rule posted anywhere.
52Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:45
Let me research the rule. It does exist, just don't recall it, I have been just copying and pasting the rules since I took over last year.

I even remember having a debate over it, because I thought it was too lenient.
53Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:50
2020 thread
<5>
Minimum is 50 career AB; 20 career IP.

The debate was should it be reduced for the shortened COVID season.
54wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:50
I remember that used to be a rule but I dont remember what it was- maybe 50 abs or something
55Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 15:54
Once the Season starts, I'll start an in-season thread. I'll post the "hopefully" updated version of the rules at the top of that.
56Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 16:18
Of the keepers submitted so far, I have only found Austin Hayes on Mudville9 as ineligible. Mudville 9 can update his keepers, otherwise, I will just ignore Hayes and he will have one less keeper.
57Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 16:27
These are the prospects I found, who are not keeper eligible:

Torkelson Tree
Whitley wiggs
Gore wiggs
Rutschman taxman
Witt WG
58Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 16:33
Thanks for finding that rule Bean - i definitely missed it.

59C1-NRB
      ID: 132352114
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 16:35
Trade announcement:

C1 Trades 6th round pick to
Tree for Yu Darvish and 19th round pick.
60Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 16:47
confirmed.
62WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 17:38
TRADE

Philsphan gets Zack Wheeler (8) and Cody Bellinger (14)
WG gets Yordan Alvarez (22)
63Philsphan
      ID: 211122412
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 17:43
Confirmed.
64Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 18:45
<62> Following the trade, Philsphan posted an updated keeper list. Yordan Alvarez was listed as his 10th keeper, I am going to assume that was his only mistake, and that he intended to drop Giolito and Alvarez while adding Wheeler and Bellinger. Am I wrong?

Also, I assume a team name change is forthcoming.
65Philsphan
      ID: 442201618
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 19:13
Yep, my apologies. Alvarez is off. He belongs to WG now.

I’ll have to come up with a new name. I did like my old one tho…
66 Mudville 9
      ID: 512262118
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 19:26
Just drop Hays. No replacement. Sorry about that!
67Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 20:54
Everyone has submitted keepers now, thanks for that. You may still update your entries until the deadline.

I am loading the players into Yahoo and Draft Time now. You can check that I entered things correctly at Yahoo by checking draft results. Also the players tab should give you an idea of who will be available in early rounds.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to let people check their entries on Draft Time other than having the first pick drag his feet for a bit after the draft is launched. This is just so people can check my work.

Expect me to drag my feet a little for the overall second pick unless Crack Babies fills that void with the first overall pick. Again, who has the what pick becomes apparent if you look at the draft results in Yahoo now.

Thanks again for your meeting the deadline.
68Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 03:06
I started the draft. I wont be making my pick (2nd overall) before Noon EDT.

Meanwhile, check to make sure your picks and keepers have been properly entered at Draft Time, and let me know if there is an issue right away.
69Philsphan
      ID: 17254227
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 08:57
Bean, I should have a pick in the second round. In my revised keeper list I dropped Giolito and added Wheeler and Bellinger from the trade. I looked on yahoo last night and that was correct as I recall.

In draftime is it looks like the player was removed but the pick is locked as a keeper pick. If that helps.
70Philsphan
      ID: 17254227
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 09:23
Also, thanks for setting all this up. I know how much time it takes. Much appreciated.
71Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 12:00
It looks like there are three of these instances. If you look at the "All Picks" view where I dropped Nelson Cruz at 5.05 and C1-NRB 12.08 are also an issue.

All three issues are related to changed keepers.
Perhaps there was a way to remove players I had entered, that would not have also taken the pick away. Not intuitive in any case.

I am going to check with Fred to see if he can do anything about it. Worst case is we make those three picks off line and I remove the players from the available list. Give me a few hours, once I make my pick, I'll let you know the way ahead. Meanwhile load your queues.
72Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 14:02
Its fixed now, I have made my pick and we are back to normal.

If you haven't done so already, please check Draft Time and let me know if there are any issues with your team's set up.
73Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:05
To be clear, I plan to institute the four hour clock this evening after the evening pause kicks in. That means whoever is on the clock at 8 AM EDT tomorrow will have til noon EDT tomorrow to make their pick.

We've made great progress so far, thanks for being attentive yet patient. And thanks for using queues whenever possible.
74taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:58
re 22:

thanks Bean for all your work on this league...similar to herding ants with a toothpick
75gurudan
      ID: 51145618
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:12
how can we draft players not listed at Draftime??
76WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:19
Sorry, I didn't really think twice about adding player as Riley Greene is available in Yahoo and will probably get drafted in every league. Not sure why he wasn't available in Draftime but I sort of just thought we operated under Yahoo's database and not Draftime's.
77gurudan
      ID: 51145618
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:27
my question is HOW did you get him?? I tried to enter him and Hunter Greene into my Q to no avail??
78WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:37
I manually added.
79Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 11:09
Just woke up.

<77> You can only add a player not in the data base when its your turn. You cant add them to a queue.
80KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 132492411
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 12:49
If you need me to add a player not in the database for a queue, just use the Contact page: https://draftime.com/contact.php

If it's your turn to pick and you want to add a player, you can add a Placeholder ("Add Player" next to search bar/button). Just double-check that the player is not listed because otherwise it'll be a "Missed Pick."
81Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 14:39
<74> It's alot easier if you use one of those floss picks, kinda shaped like a hockey stick. You just have to "check" them now and then.
83Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:45
Hey KrazyKoalaBears,

Is that you Fred?

Folks, I think we have been visited by fantasy sports royalty. Fred runs Drat Time.
84KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 132492411
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 08:07
It's me! But, I'm definitely not fantasy sports royalty. Just a guy who built a slow draft system by Frankensteining a bunch of features over time. :) What started as a simple form to get co-workers to make picks has turned into Draftime thanks to a lot of input from Gurupies.

The interesting thing is that if I needed that form for my co-workers now, I'd probably use Google Forms and Draftime would never exist. Funny how that stuff works out.
85Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:56
I dont think there are many who would know where to start to develop a tool to replace Draft Time. Thanks for your time and continued effort.
86WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 17:04
Sorry for the delay, folks. Got swamped at work.
87gurudan
      ID: 51145618
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 18:52
WTF use a QQQ
88 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 16:40
Draft is over.

I've posted all of your players to rosters in Yahoo and started the season there.

If you find a mistake with your roster let me know.

Thanks everyone for staying attentive, we might have finished that in record time.
89Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 09:38
Grats to WG. See you guys next year.
90gurudan
      ID: 4794178
      Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 09:41
fear the monkey inadvertently dropped Luis Garcia last day of season believing I was on AAA page. I'd appreciate having him reinstated for next season. You'll notice I didn't play the replacement. Thanks Dan
91WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 10:01
Thanks Bean. Another fun year! Moves cap next year?
92Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 10:27
90 np Dan. Will adjust next year.
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