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Subject: RIBC2023 Draft Selection Thread
Posted by: filthy
- [42148320] Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 17:36
Smith and 9th
Foot’s Acrobats
Uptown Bombers
Team Mikulka
Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
GREAT ONE
Bean's Guardians
Blue Hen
YWK
Da Bomb
Filthy
Holt
Jason
Species
ksoze
Keeping with last year's process, sorted alphabetically for the first step:
Bean's Guardians
Blue Hen
Da Bomb
Filthy
Foot’s Acrobats
GREAT ONE
Holt
I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
Jason
ksoze
Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
Smith and 9th
Species
Team Mikulka
Uptown Bombers
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| 1 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 17:44
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Applying the first set of numbers supplied by Uptown Bombers Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 22:09....
15 Bean's Guardians
4 Blue Hen
12 Da Bomb
16 Filthy
1 Foot’s Acrobats
11 GREAT ONE
9 Holt
14 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Jason
10 ksoze
8 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
7 Smith and 9th
5 Species
6 Team Mikulka
2 Uptown Bombers
3 YWK
Gives the next order:
1 Foot’s Acrobats
2 Uptown Bombers
3 YWK
4 Blue Hen
5 Species
6 Team Mikulka
7 Smith and 9th
8 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
9 Holt
10 ksoze
11 GREAT ONE
12 Da Bomb
13 Jason
14 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
15 Bean's Guardians
16 Filthy
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| 2 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 17:51
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Then applying the numbers supplied by Holt Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 01:00....
1 Foot’s Acrobats 6
2 Uptown Bombers 16
3 YWK 1
4 Blue Hen 9
5 Species 15
6 Team Mikulka 13
7 Smith and 9th 10
8 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON) 2
9 Holt 8
10 ksoze 3
11 GREAT ONE 7
12 Da Bomb 4
13 Jason 11
14 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC 12
15 Bean's Guardians 5
16 Filthy 14
Gives our final order for choosing our draft position:
1 YWK
2 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
3 ksoze
4 Da Bomb
5 Bean's Guardians
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 3 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 18:10
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To double the odds of being seen, waiting on votes for ESPN vs Yahoo preference from:
Smith and 9th, Jason, YWK.
And once we decide, waiting on emails (I can probably track them down from JeffG's preseason email thread but would appreciate if it didn't come to that) to send league invites from:
Smith and 9th, Jason, YWK, Mikulka, TWilson, GREAT ONE, Blue Hen, and Da Bomb.
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| 4 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 18:16
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Started draft order selection Mar16th last year, but opening day was one week later, so we want to be started by Mar9th at the latest.
For emphasis, here is our official draft selection order again:
1 YWK
2 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
3 ksoze
4 Da Bomb
5 Bean's Guardians
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 7 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 23:34
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Email link
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| 8 | kdl212
ID: 21036230
Sat, Mar 04, 2023, 23:57
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email link, and I prefer ESPN because, as I understand it, it offers a real life Shohei Ohtani while Yahoo turns him into 2 separate players. But I really don't care.
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| 9 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 02:34
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Also for added emphasis, especially since this will be a huge factor in draft pick selection:
For our league if Yahoo was to win, Initial proposal is that the manager to draft Ohtani would get the rights to both players as long as they kept both rostered. Dropping the pitcher in between starts got messy instantly so we'll lose the value of the added roster spot in between starts but still hold the value of being able to roster both the pitcher and batter on days he pitches.
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| 10 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 02:46
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Found emails for Jason and YWK in last year's yahoo league, sent them a reminder to add their preference.
Can dig through the preseason email from jeffg and previous yahoo season archives to see about finding the other 3 emails at some point Sunday or Monday if no feedback in the meantime.
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| 11 | Jason
ID: 36120126
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 07:51
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Hi,
This year I prefer ESPN.
Jason
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| 12 | ywk
ID: 5623812
Sun, Mar 05, 2023, 20:04
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I prefer Y! to ESPN---for some reasons I like the former's interface much more.
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| 13 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 03:39
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Current summary, please advise right away if you feel I've placed you in the wrong category. Will have some time late Monday evening to finalize, so feel free to flip-flop in the meantime...
Yahoo - 8: Bean, Uptown Bombers, ksoze, Da Bomb, holt, filthy, GO, YWK
ESPN - 7 : IAC, mailedfoot, mmikulka, Blue Hen, twilson, Smith and 9th, Jason
no pref - 1: Species
In the other thread I said I could be persuaded to switch to a no preference vote if last year's champion had a convincing enough argument. With kdl saying they don't really care, and a proposal to replicate Ohtani to closely match how ESPN handles him, I am still leaning to my first feeling of wanting yahoo.
However, I have found something about yahoo slightly annoying this hockey season, and just confirmed the same looks to be in the works for baseball... when I try to look up stats on a player page, it doesn't show a career summary anymore. Planning to sleep on it for my own personal preference now that the pitch clock is winding down, and will look at some espn samples after work tomorrow (pacific time), then digest any feedback posted here Monday evening to come to a final decision by the break of Tuesday.
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| 14 | kdl212
ID: 21036230
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 10:18
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to make sure I understand - the Ohtani proposal is that whoever drafts him first gets both Ohtani (P) and Ohtani (DH). Doing that will require 2 roster slots and therefore that manager only has 24 human baseball players on their roster, while all the other teams in the league have 25 humans?
Does the manager who drafts Ohtani (and gets two players with that pick - valued as approximately a round 1 hitter and a round 3-5 pitcher) forfeit their 25th round draft choice?
Finally (a much less important question), in Yahoo, under the proposal, can the manager who owns Ohtani use him as both a pitcher and a DH on the same day (if I recall, in ESPN, you can start him as a pitcher OR a hitter, but not both).
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| 15 | kdl212
ID: 21036230
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 13:16
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I agree that the lack of a Team Log (for incurable stat nerds like us) is a bummer on ESPN, but I wouldn't call it massively frustrating, and it doesn't come close to making the site unusable in my opinion. In October at the end of the season, it's cute to see how many home runs I got from Albert Pujols in those handful games he was on my roster, or how awful those two starts from JT Brubaker really were. But very quickly after that: who cares?
Another question relevant to ESPN v Yahoo: I really appreciate the ESPN player rater feature that is based on the specific hitting categories that RIBC uses, and not the standard 5x5 categories. I found it quite helpful preseason and in-season and illuminating postseason.
Does Yahoo offer a similar player rater feature (i.e. a ranking system that is specific to RIBC hitter categories)?
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| 16 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 14:57
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Re: 15 yes, and I find Yahoo’s better as it also allows for per game/average sort ranking which makes it easier to compare players who have missed games vs. ESPN where it is only by total value.
I also find Yahoo’s standing view superior as it shows a bar graph for each category making it much easier visually to compare your team to others.
And for position eligibility:
Yahoo: 5 starts or 10 total appearances in a position.
ESPN: Games played at a position during last season: 20. Games played at a position during the current season: 10.
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| 17 | Uptown Bombers
ID: 39228110
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 15:58
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I always find ESPN player rater frustrating,as I can only see rankings over various time periods but not stats. Then on the stats page I can only see the default player rater (14 days I think) even when I'm looking at last 7 days stats.It's totally possible I haven't learned to use it correctly. If so, please someone teach me.
At Yahoo, I can see rankings and stats for the same period of time all at once.
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| 18 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 17:18
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Yahoo also has the fun "Record Book" - so if we keep RIBC on there continually you would be able to see all time record holders... like if I steal 300 bases this year, 5 years from now someone will see that in the record book easily of most SB-Single Season. I enjoy that kind of history. Especially in a legacy league.
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| 19 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 21:16
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14- You are understanding perfectly. Yahoo loses the roster spot in order to roster both, but gains the ability to have both in your lineup on days Ohtani pitches.
Appreciate the well thought out feedback from everyone providing it. Feels like most just wanna play, don't majorly care where, pretty much even among preference with heavier campaigning for Yahoo among those with stronger preference. Still leaning to yahoo at this point, but will be doing some chores and such to allow a few more hours in case any strong pitches for ESPN come through late.
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| 20 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 21:24
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Didn't you say in <13> that Yahoo won the vote? I am extremely confused. Or are we just looking for 11,000 more votes Donald?
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| 21 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 23:53
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Does Ywk understand that we are waiting on him to start the draft order selection?
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| 22 | Jason
ID: 36120126
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 01:53
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Hi!
Yesterday I got this email from Yahoo:
"We're sorry, but the commissioner decided to delete your Yahoo Fantasy Baseball team, Jason's Credible Team, from your league, RIBC - AAA! However, you can always come back and create a new team later."
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| 23 | Jason
ID: 36120126
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 01:53
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Hi!
Yesterday I got this email from Yahoo:
"We're sorry, but the commissioner decided to delete your Yahoo Fantasy Baseball team, Jason's Credible Team, from your league, RIBC - AAA! However, you can always come back and create a new team later."
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| 24 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 02:06
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This is because you aren't in AAA - you are in RIBC. I kept the league from last year and renewed it, so I had to remove the players who moved up or decided not to play this year.
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| 25 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 02:21
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20- I see nothing definite about what was posted in 13. Aside from multiple threads open am not sure where the confusion lies.
From post 13 "then digest any feedback posted here Monday evening to come to a final decision by the break of Tuesday."
Last year's champ had a few questions that seemed worth giving time to see a response but it is now the break of Tuesday so I feel good about giving the stated amount of time and trying to ensure everyone had a chance to be heard.
Yahoo takes it by a hair.
Will have some time to set it up on Tues or Wed evening.
As one of the more important decisions of the draft in my opinion, I see no need to nudge YWK forward until the arbitrary March 9th date mentioned in post 4. That date is based on last year's timeframe, feels like a solid target. A great moment to go through our ranks in this calm before the storm while we wait.
YWK is more than welcome to select before March 9th if they feel prepared to decide.
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| 26 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 02:29
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For reference, last year draft selection took about 4 days, draft about 12 days. Start march 9th would finish us around march 25th, we have a buffer still.
Rough targets:
Finish pick selection by March 13th.
Finish round 10 by March 20th.
Finish draft by March 27th.
Opening rounds tend to have some rust and then we get flying by the middle rounds historically, feels like reasonable targets to me.
Deciding whether to use a clock and how aggressive of a clock if we aren't looking to hit these targets as we go.
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| 27 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 19:06
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14 / Ohtani:
In AAA last year we also used Yahoo, but the commissioner decided a hybrid solution was the most fair way to assimilate how the main RIBC was doing it. Since RIBC last year was in ESPN, and the Ohtani owner gets both the hitter and pitcher, he decided upon:
1) Ohtani drafter gets BOTH the hitter and pitcher in 1 draft pick
2) To offset the two roster slots it would require to match the ESPN treatment, the Ohtani owner could drop Ohtani the pitcher in between starts and pick up other players in between. Ohtani the pitcher was (supposed to be) OFF LIMITS to being picked up by any other manager.
#2 was a cluster. A team or two might have just forgotten about the rule and picked him up by accident. A team or two seemed to do it out of spite or protest. I was given Commish powers and kept dropping him for a while. Later I just kept him and never dropped him to avoid the issue.
We are RIBC this year. I suggest we just determine a course well before the draft, and whoever drafts Ohtani does so understanding the nuance:
1) Treat him like two players. Easy peasy. No outside management required.
2) Treat him as ONE drafted player, however you have to roster BOTH the hitter and pitcher. Want the benefit of a 2-way player with one pick? Cool, the cost of doing business is it eats 2 roster spots. Drop one? Fair game.
3) Do the hybrid as I described. But I don't recommend it unless we are a really dedicated bunch.
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| 28 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 19:18
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Adding to 27, it's probably wise to finalize this determination, as it very well could (and should) impact draft order consideration at the top.
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| 29 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 19:20
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<27> What motivation would anyone have to insist on anything other than option 1? There is no reason to make this unnecessarily complicated.
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| 30 | Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 19:42
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I was the commish who made that decision, and it was made to attempt to emulate RIBC as much as possible. It was, indeed, a cluster. Anyone with a half a thought should question why Ohtani would be in the FA pool even if they ignored the rule, which was stated several times.
This year they are separate players. The end.
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| 31 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 19:56
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This was the Option 1 I was talking about Nerf:
"Treat him like two players. Easy peasy. No outside management required."
I get why it was done the way it was last year, but this year, it's indefensible.
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| 32 | ywk
ID: 5623812
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 20:21
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I would pick #1.
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| 33 | ywk
ID: 5623812
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 20:25
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And just out of curiosity: if I choose Ohtani as my #1 pick I could get both pitchers and hitters right? Or not?
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| 34 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 20:27
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That's what seems to be up for debate ywk. Would it affect where you would want to pick?
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| 35 | kdl212
ID: 21036230
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 23:25
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<29> Option #1 denies the unicorn reality of Ohtani. He is one player for the Angels, and is an all-star hitter and pitcher. To the extent the league wanted to replicate that reality in our imaginary baseball league, he would be one person on the roster, usable at any eligible position the manager wanted.
ESPN offers the closet approximation of real-world Ohtani, with no clusterf*ckery required. Draft him, use him as a DH or pitcher
If we play at Yahoo, I vote option #1 for Ohtani to avoid the circus that apparently results from league managers who can't follow a simple rule (I'd like to think RIBC managers are better behaved - they did self-police themselves regarding the use of IL slots when, according to this message board, non-RIBC managers regularly violated it).
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| 36 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 00:39
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Will reply at the main thread to direct conversation back that way.
For when YWK is ready...
Official draft selection order again:
1 YWK
2 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
3 ksoze
4 Da Bomb
5 Bean's Guardians
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 37 | ywk
ID: 5623812
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 20:43
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2-
3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 38 | ksoze
ID: 23150104
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 20:30
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If we start moving I’ll take the highest available of 2 or 3.
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| 39 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 04:00
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At bat(just emailed reminder through yahoo):
2 Milchian Magicians (TWILSON)
On deck (queued up):
3 ksoze
In the hole:
4 Da Bomb
5 Bean's Guardians
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1- ywk
2-
3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 40 | twilson
ID: 43131917
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 21:59
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Hey everyone, I had no idea there was a separate thread for draft order stuff. I had been regularly checking the main thread and hadn't seen anything.
At bat:
3 ksoze
On deck (queued up):
4 Da Bomb
In the hole:
5 Bean's Guardians
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1- ywk
2-
3-
4- twilson
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 41 | ksoze
ID: 23150104
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 22:09
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At bat:
4 Da Bomb
On deck (queued up):
5 Bean’s Guardins
In the hole:
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3-
4- twilson
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 42 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 23:11
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When its my turn, put me down for first choice 3, second choice 5.
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| 43 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 23:11
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5 Bean’s Guardins
6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5-
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 44 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 00:06
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6 Foot’s Acrobats
7 GREAT ONE
8 Holt
9 Blue Hen
10 Smith and 9th
11 Jason
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6-
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
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| 45 | mailedfoot
ID: 5082825
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 05:42
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7-
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
Great One is up
Holt on deck
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| 46 | GO
ID: 18134522
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 07:38
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Driving while typing please give me 7th
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| 47 | mailedfoot
ID: 5082825
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 09:19
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8-
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
Holt is up
Blue Hen on deck
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| 48 | holt
ID: 62221014
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 21:33
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16-
Blue hen is up
Smith and 9th on deck
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| 49 | Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 22:00
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for blue hen via text:
16
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| 50 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 22:15
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9-
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16- Blue hen
Thank you Species!
Smith and 9th is up
Followed by: Jason, then IAC
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| 51 | kdl212
ID: 411531222
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 03:37
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16- Blue hen
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| 52 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 04:19
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Up next:
Jason
Followed by:
12 I_AM_CANADIAN IAC
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 53 | Jason
ID: 36120126
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 06:04
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-Jason
11-
12-
13-
14-
15-
16- Blue hen
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| 54 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 2211241116
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 15:08
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-Jason
11- IAC
12-
13-
14-
15-
16- Blue hen
Followed by:
13 Team Mikulka
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 55 | mmikulka
ID: 32128616
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 17:10
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-Jason
11- IAC
12-
13-
14- mmikulka
15-
16- Blue hen
Followed by:
14 Filthy
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 56 | filthy
ID: 42148320
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 18:04
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-Jason
11- IAC
12- Filthy
13-
14- mmikulka
15-
16- Blue hen
Followed by:
15 Species
16 Uptown Bombers
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| 57 | Species
ID: 1412613
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 18:59
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13 please!
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| 58 | ywk
ID: 5623812
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 21:35
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Draft Order
1- ywk
2- ksoze
3- Da Bomb
4- twilson
5- Bean
6- mailedfoot
7- Great One
8- holt
9- Smith & 9th
10-Jason
11- IAC
12- Filthy
13- Species
14- mmikulka
15- Uptown Bombers
16- Blue hen
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