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Subject: 8 Men Out 2024 - Season 11
Posted by: Bean
- [12552510] Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:06
Positions for 24 round draft:
C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
NAx1
Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves+Holds, K's, ERA, Whip
14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count if hosting site rules allow
Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters
Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players but can be changed to any earlier round in the first draft following the trade. Declaration of the new round is required at the time of keeper declaration.
In-season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.
Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.
Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson in round 5. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players). I may also keep Sandberg in Round 5 and Dawnson in any round 1-5 provided I have a slot available for him
Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a round 5 pick before keepers are declared.
Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either in round 5. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick. I may not keep Sandberg any longer as there is no draft slot to put him in. I may declare Dawson as a keeper in any round of 1-4 as long as I have a keeper slot available.
Keepers are due approximately 18 days before the first game of the regular season.
Keeper eligible rounds should be determined by checking the prior years draft results at draftime.com not at the yahoo league site.
To be keeper eligible, a player must have always been rostered, never being returned to the FA pool. To be keeper eligible, a player must have at least 50 career AB, or 20 career IP.
Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.
Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.
If you receive a keeper eligible player via trade, you may move that player's keeper round up during the keeper declarations after you received him. All other keeper rules still apply.
Example - in 2014 Khahan drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6. During the 2015 I trade him to another manager. In the 2016 keeper declaration Billy Hamilton may be declared as a keeper in any round 1-6 provided the manager has a draft slot free. For all future years that Hamilton remains a keeper that chosen round is now considered his keeper round.
Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.
The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at Draftime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.
The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).
Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if we must meet a deadline.
Shohei Ohtani
As of 2018 yahoo has announced that Shohei Ohtani will have a player slot as a pitcher and a hitter. We will be treating these players as 2 distinct players. For intents and purposes there is a player named Shohei Ohtani who is a pitcher and a second player named Shohei Ohtani with hitting eligibility.
If we change hosting sites to a site that uses a single Shohei Ohtani or Yahoo updates to a single Shohei in future years we will handle the combining as follows:
1. If No manager has either Shohei he is drafted like any other player
2. If 1 manager has 1 Shohei and the other is not on a roster, that manager can name Shohei as a keeper
3. If 1 manager has both Shohei's he can choose either players round to make the new single Shohei a keeper
4. If 2 different managers each have different halves of Shohei, they can each submit a blind bid to keep the new singularity-Shohei. The manager who submits the earliest round gets Shohei. If there is a tie the manager will the earliest draft pick keeps him. He will be kept in the round of the submitted bid. Example I have Pitcher Shohei in r8 and Bean has hitter Shoehei in round 11 and he becomes 1 player next year, we both submit a blind bid. If I submit my bid as round 3 and Bean submits round 4, I keep Shohei as a R3 keeper.
A full, active league is extremely important for everyone to have a fun time. Even if you are in a rebuilding year, please don't just disappear. Your inactivity can inadvertently alter the results of those competing for the championship. So, do your best to stay active all year. There is a "start active players" button on Yahoo that can help you with that. |
| 1 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:07
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First order of business is roll call.
Please let us know if you plan to return this year.
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| 2 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:07
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IN
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| 3 | artofmonk
ID: 1615215
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:13
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in
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| 4 | Mudville 9
ID: 550282913
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:15
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Yup.
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| 5 | Philsphan
ID: 351311315
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 16:31
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In
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| 6 | mailedfoot
ID: 5082825
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 17:42
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In
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| 7 | Crack Babies
ID: 41131317
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 18:03
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In
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| 8 | WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 18:59
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In
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| 9 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 19:47
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2023 Standings:
01 104.0 Wazaaap Guy
02 083.5 Foot's Challengers
03 081.0 Taxed Out
04 072.0 Mudville 9
05 065.5 Bean's Blacksox
06 059.5 Crack Babies
06 059.5 Nap's Tater Tatis
08 059.0 fear the monkey
09 055.0 The Power of Lemke
10 052.0 Super Twins
11 049.5 Air Yordans
12 039.5 C1's Stocking Feat
Just one tie, for 6th. I'll research how ties have been handled historically to determine draft order.
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| 10 | taxman
ID: 28081719
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 19:51
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In
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| 12 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 20:26
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The regular season kicks off on 20 MAR in Seoul.
Not sure if it'll still be 19 MAR in USA though. With start date in mind, here is a proposed 8 MEN OUT Schedule:
22 FEB CALL FOR NEW MANAGERS ENDS AND TEAMS LOCKED
23 FEB Draft Lottery (bottom four teams from last year, nearly forgot again)
29 FEB KEEPER DEADLINE
02 MAR EXPANSION DRAFT (if necessary)
09 MAR REGULAR DRAFT BEGINS
18 MAR REGULAR DRAFT ENDS
20 MAR SEASON BEGINS IN SEOUL (Dodgers and Padres)
28 MAR "Opening Day"
Fast moving schedule but should be do-able. Let me know if you have a specific issue with these dates. Use the blue link.
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| 13 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 20:33
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Just providing a tally. We have eight confirmed returning now. Still waiting response from:
06 059.5 Nap's Tater Tatis (Tree)
08 059.0 fear the monkey (gurudan)
10 052.0 Super Twins (wiggs)
12 039.5 C1's Stocking Feat (C1-NRB)
If you know them, ping them.
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| 14 | gurudan
ID: 81391320
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 21:39
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fear the monkey is in
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| 15 | Tree
ID: 711171714
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 13:22
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in
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| 16 | wiggs
ID: 241151413
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 14:15
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I am going to be out unless you can not find someone to replace me. My schedule has gotten to the point I can not keep up with daily move fantasy baseball. Thank you so much for all the great seasons. Best of luck to everyone
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| 17 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 17:07
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Thanks wiggs. Turnover in the league is a given, as we all try to manage our time. There is no need to stick around if you have stuff to do.
If things change for you in the future, and you'd like to return, let us know. I usually do roll calls after the Superbowl each year.
For the rest of you, we still need to hear from C1. I know his interest in this league was waning.
I don't know if we'll get anyone new this year, but we will be playing this year with however many managers we have on 22 FEB. Please check with your friends to see if they'd be interested. I'd like to get two more, three if C1 doesn't return. It's a viable league with 10 though.
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| 18 | C1-NRB
ID: 54727229
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 17:10
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In.
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| 19 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 17:27
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Thanks C1, glad to see you're returning.
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| 20 | Philsphan
ID: 241301419
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 20:46
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I’ve got a friend who is interested. He’ll post here shortly.
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| 21 | John Newby
ID: 221401419
Wed, Feb 14, 2024, 20:47
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Don Rhodes mentioned you may have an opening coming up soon. I may be interested.
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| 22 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 17:09
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Guys,
John and I have communicated via e-mail, and he is on board to take over wiggs' team. So, all we are waiting for is to see if we get interest in an expansion team this year. We'll just wait til 22 FEB to see if we get any bites. The expansion process will be similar to what we did with adding foot last year, so you'll need to declare your keepers, then the expansion team will pick through the discards before we start the draft.
If we don't get a taker for the expansion team, I'll set different dates for the keeper declaration.
Thanks for your patience.
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| 23 | Jtserb
ID: 341202317
Fri, Feb 23, 2024, 18:20
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Bean I sent you a email. I'm interested if you still need and can catch me up.
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| 24 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 10:30
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Stand by folks, communicating with JTSERB and John Newby about all of this.
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| 25 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 13:02
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This is the result of the draft lottery, the four of you should have received an email:
1st Morgan
2nd John Newby
3rd Philsphan
4th C1-NRB
Still waiting to hear from JTSERB, confirming he will take an expansion team. If JTSERB does join us, he will have first pick in every round, and the above four will each move down a spot in each round.
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| 26 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 17:16
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OK,
So, JTSERB is confirmed as an expansion team now and John Newby has accepted the management position of wiggs' vacated team.
So the draft order is as follows:
1st JTSERB
2nd Morgan
3rd John Newby
4th Philsphan
5th C1-NRB
6th gurudan
7th and 8th Crack Babies and Tree
9th Bean
10th Mudville 9
11th Taxman
12th mailedfoot
13th WG
You'll note that Crack Babies and Tree tied, so they will share the 7th and 8th pick more or less fairly. Here are the details:
I flipped a coin, Crack Babies won over Tree
Crack Babies will pick ahead of Tree in Rounds 1,4,5,8,9,12,13,16,17,20,21 and 24.
Tree will pick ahead of Crack Babies in Rounds 2,3,6,7,10,11,14,15,18,19,22 and 23.
So here is the new schedule we will be operating off of:
03 MAR KEEPER DEADLINE
05 MAR EXPANSION TEAM PICKS KEEPERS
09 MAR REGULAR DRAFT BEGINS
18 MAR REGULAR DRAFT ENDS
20 MAR SEASON BEGINS IN SEOUL (Dodgers and Padres)
28 MAR "Opening Day"
You will declare your keepers in a keeper thread that I will start soon. You don't need to declare them in Yahoo.
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| 28 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 18:47
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Deadline for keeper submission is 11:59PM EDT on 3 March.
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| 29 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 13:20
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I'd trade J.T. Realmuto - 11th round for a similar value at a different position.
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| 30 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 01, 2024, 14:47
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As of this writing, we still need keepers from the following:
Morgan
C1-NRB
Tree
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| 31 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sun, Mar 03, 2024, 12:41
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gurudan,
Transaction records at Yahoo show that you dropped morel on 5/8 and then added him back on 5/10. He is therefore not keeper eligible. I suggest you consider resubmitting your keepers, or I will simply ignore Morel.
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| 32 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sun, Mar 03, 2024, 15:29
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To all,
If you drop a player by mistake, not simply questionable judgement, and then add him back, the time to make that fact plain is immediately after it happens. Post something in this thread, so we have documentation of the exception. We will resolve it at that time, and the record of the resolution will also be documented. Without that documented dialogue, my interpretation is to simply follow the rule by the letter of the law.
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| 33 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Mar 04, 2024, 11:39
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Thanks to all for posting your keepers on time. I have forwarded a spreadsheet to JTSERB of all the dropped players along with their draft round. He will select nine of them as his "keepers". Hopefully he'll snag a couple good ones.
I have given him until tomorrow to make his choices, then I will need to load up Draft Time with everyone's keepers.
Our schedule says 9 MAR is the start of the draft, but I will start it whenever I have it set up. It will be untimed at least until 9 MAR though. Proper etiquette during this time will be best effort to stick to a 4 hour limit, but no automatic enforcement.
Once the clock is started, there will be a daily pause midnight to 8 AM ET. I think we go to daylight savings on 10 MAR. Not sure what Draft Time will do when that happens, but I will try to adjust the pause if needed. Use a queue at least for that day please.
One last thing, loading players into Yahoo no longer works as it used to. So, you may not get to use Yahoo players tab to see who is left this year. I used a work around in G20 hoops, but it requires more work, and is a bit clunky. Haven't decided how motivated I am this year. Will update.
Good Luck
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| 34 | taxman
ID: 271202816
Tue, Mar 05, 2024, 14:49
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Can we see who JTSERB chose as his keepers, better yet, can/will he post them on the keeper thread so we can no who is available.
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| 35 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 05, 2024, 15:27
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Done, will be posting a Draft Matrix later today that should help you as well. Google spreadsheet.
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| 36 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Mar 05, 2024, 19:32
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Here is the Draft Matrix
If you see something wrong, let me know
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| 37 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 08, 2024, 13:26
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Pretty sure the Draft Time load matched the Draft Matrix, but if you see an error, let me know ASAP.
C1-NRB, I left your third round pick open. Let's celebrate St Patrick's day early. When its your turn at 3, add Shay O'Tanny, SP as your player to represent Shohei Ohtani, SP, your keeper at that slot. There is only one instance of Ohtani in Draft Time, the DH, who you kept at 5. I could not add a player during set up.
JTSERB, If you could wait a few hours before picking first, that will give a little time for people to let me know if they found an error.
Anyway, draft will be untimed today. If we get 10 picks or so done today, I will start the 4 hour clock tomorrow. Load your queues please.
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| 38 | Jtserb
ID: 341202317
Fri, Mar 08, 2024, 21:30
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I gave it a few hours as requested before picking. The draft is off. Good luck everyone and thanks for letting me join. Looking forward to the challenge.
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| 39 | Philsphan
ID: 241301419
Fri, Mar 08, 2024, 22:28
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***TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT***
Philsphan and gurudan have agreed to a trade. Philsphan trades Jose Altuve (5th round) for gurudan’s Corbin Burnes (4th round).
Not sure if this is the proper procedure, but we’ll give it a go here.
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| 40 | gurudan
ID: 81391320
Fri, Mar 08, 2024, 22:30
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need to know before the draft gets in to full swing
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| 41 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Mar 08, 2024, 23:22
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So, you did not specify any picks being traded. I will assume Philsphan will keep his 4.04 and gurudan keeps his 5.06. Which implies that you both will have two guys with the same round come next year's keeper declaration.
If you'd like to amend this announcement to include picks, both of you need to say so, I am not a mind reader. You need to do so well before the 4.04 pick is on the clock, obviously, don't drag your feet.
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| 42 | Philsphan
ID: 202199
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 10:01
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Sorry Bean, just trying to properly understand the rules and make a trade we both want. So we are trading our picks (and the players that go with them), understanding that whoever else we draft this year in those same slots, we can only keep one. Correct?
Gurudan, I think that is your understanding as well? If so, I confirm.
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| 43 | Tree
ID: 711171714
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 10:31
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Sorry Bean, just trying to properly understand the rules and make a trade we both want. So we are trading our picks (and the players that go with them), understanding that whoever else we draft this year in those same slots, we can only keep one. Correct?
as the trade was announced as player for player only with no draft picks included, you are acquiring Burnes, who has a 4th round status.
you also own a 4th round pick this year, which means - again - as the trade was made - you can only keep one of those guys with 4th round status.
Similarly, the same applies to gurudan acquiring Altuve (5th round) and after the draft, he will have two 5th rounders, only one of which he can keep.
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| 44 | Tree
ID: 711171714
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 10:39
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Putting CF Luis Robert (3rd rd) on the block....
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| 45 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 11:45
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The rules are already confusing enough, making a trade DURING THE DRAFT only makes them even more confusing. FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS DRAFT, NO MORE TRADES WILL BE ALLOWED. THIS RULE WILL BECOME PART OF THE CONSTITUTION. Which leaves us with this trade. I want to clarify exactly how I am interpreting the rules.
FIRST: I interpret that once the keeper deadline is reached, you have no more obligation to match picks to players until the next keeper deadline.
SECOND, unless specifically called out, I cannot interpret your trade to include picks. I cannot read minds.
THIRD, any pick called out is assumed to be for the current draft only, not for the following year, or any multiple years, unless specifically called out.
If you have any confusion about this, ASK ME BEFORE YOU ANNOUNCE THE TRADE. If this trade could have the same result if you did it after the draft, then PLEASE DO IT AFTER THE DRAFT NEXT TIME (eg. picks not included). If the trade would have the same result if you did it before the draft, then PLEASE DO IT BEFORE THE DRAFT NEXT TIME (eg. picks included).
Additional unsolicited commentary: Most of you know that I have commished many leagues in this forum. One of the biggest PITA is mid-draft trades. During the season, member voting takes care of trade approval. However, during the pre-season, all we have is the forum to lodge disapprovals. To do it properly, once a trade is announced, we would have to pause the draft until a vote can be taken. That way, we'd ensure that if the trade was disapproved, that it would not affect drafting. But we don't do that. Instead we assume trade approval and press on. I only wish we would all understand that this slow draft is why this is even an issue. If we instituted a five minute clock, nobody would have time for mid-draft trades. Do we really need to be cute?
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| 46 | Philsphan
ID: 202199
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 13:05
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I'll rescind the trade announcement. We should have done this before keepers were selected but we couldn't connect and I didn't press the issue enough, so it's on me.
I don't want to slow anything down and create more work. I've commished leagues before so I appreciate all the work you are putting in to make this go smoothly. Sorry about that.
I'll work the trade out post draft. The end result will probably be the same as doing it now.
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| 47 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 13:07
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Thanks
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| 48 | gurudan
ID: 81391320
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 15:25
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so according to #46, I still have Burnes. Is this correct. ??
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| 49 | Philsphan
ID: 202199
Sat, Mar 09, 2024, 20:21
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Correct.
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| 50 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 18:25
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All of your picks should be loaded now. Please make sure you that I haven't made any mistakes. Send me an e-mail or post here.
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| 51 | Foot
ID: 5082825
Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 07:43
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Mine looks good...thanks for all your work on this
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| 52 | jtserb
ID: 14246156
Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 07:46
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Looks good, thanks Bean
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| 53 | WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 09:08
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Thanks Bean!
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