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Subject: Smallworld Pitching Points Revisited Posted by: Madman - [59438722] Fri, Jun 02, 14:50 Just a quick FYI; awhile ago someone posted a question regarding how many points a decent start would be worth. If anyone still cares about that question, smallworld STARTING pitching points have been on the rise. Here are the totals for starters in April and May: April: 25,500 points in 726 starts for an average of 35.12. May: 31,315 points in 810 starts for an average of 38.66. The average since May 15th has been 41.41 (448 starts). Starts since May 1 have been average close to an extra out per start, accounting for most of this point difference. This confirms everyone's instincts that starts in April tend to be shorter, although it also implies that the relevance of this observation is somewhat limited. We'll also see if these trend continues as Bashball enters the warm summer months. (For the record, there have been 4 starts in March, 726 in April, 810 in May, and 12 so far in June, accounting for 1552 starts. As of noon today, there had been 775 games played in the official standings in which there were 1550 starts. On opening day, Milwaukee tied Cincinnati accounting for the additional 2 starts in my data.) | ||||||
| 1 | Fisk27 ID: 194201813 Fri, Jun 02, 15:09 | Madman - interesting post. Used to be said that pitchers had the advantage over the hitters early in the season and it took awhile for the hitters to catch up. Seems like the opposite may be true this season. I have noticed more consistent outings by starting pitchers lately, and I for one would like to see that trend continue. It will make for a much more interesting baseball season. | |||||
| 2 | Dev ID: 4347715 Fri, Jun 02, 15:36 | Madman- I haven't "seen" you in a while welcome back. I think it may have to do with the fact that pitching has become so spread out. Very inexperienced guys may need a few starts to get going. Also I think the batting practice and training along with weight lifting hitters do has helped them more than the pitchers training over the summer helps the pitchers (you can only throw so many pitches). | |||||
| 3 | steve houpt ID: 28451222 Fri, Jun 02, 15:36 |
Thanks Madman.
Here is a breakdown of starters by league per start (note: missing pickoffs which I don't think has a major impact).
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| 4 | juneau24_7 ID: 114463116 Fri, Jun 02, 15:51 |
I think it was because hitters were on a tear,
early in the season, not just because the pitchers sucked | |||||
| 5 | Rooster ID: 6452814 Fri, Jun 02, 15:56 | Is it possible to break down the stats to show swp/gs for each stadium? I think we probably know the general trend but it would be nice to see some hard statistics on it. | |||||
| 6 | J ID: 3943638 Fri, Jun 02, 16:13 |
nice stuff Mr. Source!
I'm really suprised the ERA's are so low As far as pitchers dominating early on. I'm pretty sure for as long as I can remember hitting always dominated the first few months of the season. I always remember there being much higher scoring games in April and May than August & September. | |||||
| 7 | J ID: 3943638 Fri, Jun 02, 16:22 |
ok, I just realized I was looking at ER, not ERA!!!!
Its Friday!!!!!!! | |||||
| 8 | Guru ID: 330592710 Fri, Jun 02, 16:32 |
Note that Madman said most of the difference is that pitchers are working slightly longer (one extra out for May vs. April. This doesn't necessarily mean that hitters were doing better in April vs. May.
However, during April, the average game had 234.8 hitting SWP. That includes hitting points for all players other than pitchers (i.e., pitcher's hitting stats are excluded). The average game in May had only 230.4 hitting SWP. So hitting actually did back off a bit. | |||||
| 9 | COAST2COAST ID: 9544220 Fri, Jun 02, 20:44 | Madman....it is really you???? Welcome back and please stay for a while. You're insightful and thoughtful ideas are always needed on these boards! | |||||
| 10 | CC ID: 5942237 Fri, Jun 02, 20:49 | Whatever happened to Madman, What About Bob, and Jessica? They were great back in the day. | |||||
| 11 | Matt S ID: 15457222 Fri, Jun 02, 20:57 |
Good info indeed! I have always had a hunch that the NL pitchers had a little more success. I just never saw the #s to prove it.
Ahh, back in the day. When trolls were few and far between and pitching rotations dominated. Ahh... | |||||
| 12 | Madman ID: 59438722 Fri, Jun 02, 23:30 |
Yep. It's really me. I just haven't been putting in my baseball time -- only about 30 minutes a day or so, and that's barely enough time for me to sort out and pick a few Echelon pitchers. I'm amazed that I'm even in the running in Echelon given my ability to pay attention.
Rooster, here are those stats, although no attempt has been made to format it beautifully like Richard or some of the rest of you guys :-). Also, this is a beta run of a program I've been trying out this season, so if you see any totals that don't look right (mainly the games played column), please post. I think things are OK, but you never know . . . Through July 1, 2000: Team Games Pts Average Ana 56 1455 26.0 Ari 58 2235 38.5 Atl 48 1925 40.1 Bal 46 1805 39.2 Bos 50 1690 33.8 ChC 58 2875 49.6 ChW 48 1320 27.5 Cin 56 1645 29.4 Cle 48 2240 46.7 Col 50 -125 -2.5 Det 50 2100 42.0 Fla 58 2735 47.2 Hou 50 1580 31.6 Kan 48 1110 23.1 Los 46 1985 43.2 Mil 50 1855 37.1 Min 56 2070 37.0 Mon 54 1925 35.6 NYM 48 2130 44.4 NYY 50 2455 49.1 Oak 52 2170 41.7 Phi 46 2050 44.6 Pit 54 2370 43.9 Sdg 50 2710 54.2 Sea 48 2240 46.7 Sfo 52 2420 46.5 StL 54 2075 38.4 Tam 50 1465 29.3 Tex 56 1190 21.3 Tor 62 1850 29.8 Tot 1552 57550 37.1 After the season is over, I'll probably go back and look at Dev's hypothesis regarding inexeperienced guys needing a start or two to iron things out. I'm not sure what's causing the rise in points, but we can hope it will continue . . . | |||||
| 13 | Madman ID: 59438722 Fri, Jun 02, 23:56 |
At the risk of killing this thread with tons of numbers, here are the totals for ROAD games that involve the listed teams. By combining both totals, you get a much better feel for which are hitters parks vs. which just look like hitters parks because of great hitting or lousy pitching.
Team Games Pts Average Ana 50 1810 36.2 Ari 48 2635 54.9 Atl 56 3135 56.0 Bal 56 1685 30.1 Bos 48 2800 58.3 ChC 50 1600 32.0 ChW 56 2415 43.1 Cin 50 2485 49.7 Cle 50 1325 26.5 Col 50 2290 45.8 Det 48 1405 29.3 Fla 50 2280 45.6 Hou 54 1500 27.8 Kan 56 1715 30.6 Los 54 1950 36.1 Mil 58 1735 29.9 Min 52 2005 38.6 Mon 46 1695 36.8 NYM 58 2580 44.5 NYY 48 2045 42.6 Oak 54 1260 23.3 Phi 56 2445 43.7 Pit 48 2050 42.7 Sdg 54 1505 27.9 Sea 52 885 17.0 Sfo 48 625 13.0 StL 52 1880 36.2 Tam 54 1665 30.8 Tex 48 1965 40.9 Tor 48 2180 45.4 | |||||
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