| RotoGuru Baseball Forum View the Forum Registry |
| |
| 0 |
Subject: Baseball changes... Posted by: Don Mathis - [528412213] Mon, Feb 26, 12:01 Just wanted to give you guys a bit of a “heads-up” regarding a change in our basball pricing algorithm for pitchers and fielders. As most of you know, rotating starting pitchers has always been the key to making money in Small World Baseball, particularly with the introduction of daily repricing (and with it, the dreaded "Randro" strategy) last year. We took steps to make hitting a more significant part of a Small World Baseball's manager roster by splitting up hitting and pitching trades, and we're continuing that quest for balance this year by introducing completely separate markets and price changes for hitters and pitchers. Hitters' prices will change based on how often they are traded relative to all other hitters only, and pitchers' prices will change based on how often they are traded relative to all other pitchers only. A few highlights of what this means to you: The sensitivity of the pitching market will be decreased, so that a "Randro" rotation which might have netted you half a million SWD or more on a single day last year will probably make you about $100,000 SWD this year. Conversely, hitters will become a far more significant part of money making than they ever have been before, since their trade frequency relative to one another will be much more significant than it was relative to the huge pitching rotations of years past. Just like in other Small World games, finding the hot players at all positions at bargain prices will be key. You'll have greater flexibility in your pitching staff, since you won't be forced to give up two or three trades a week on Randro if you don't choose to. These reduced price changes will still keep the game competitive for you, even with the lower opening prices that many of you have picked up on. Our goal was to allow beginning managers to pick players they've heard of at the beginning of the season and still field complete teams, while giving experts the flexibility to pick the players they want without feeling quite so forced to follow the crowd. Our baseball design team thinks that separating these markets goes a long way towards accomplishing that goal. On a different subject, I wanted to wish Dave good luck in keeping this site going … at Small World, we certainly understand the financial pressures of keeping an Internet site going. To that end, I also wanted to thank you guys for your support (and positive feedback) of our pay games. They are helping us keep the doors open here and the major games free. Note that we have two new baseball pay offerings coming up..... -- Don | ||||||
| 37 | Ender ID: 52438315 Mon, Feb 26, 16:39 | It may still be the best way to make money from your pitchers, but I simply don't there will be that much money to be made from pitchers. That's the way I read Don's statement anyway. At the very least I don't think there will be enough dollars to be made to warrant a strict Randro strategy. | |||||
| 38 | Madman ID: 146191423 Mon, Feb 26, 16:47 |
I think that is clear -- we'll need to get both money and points from hitters, now. I agree that the money-raising aspect of Randro has been put to the back burner. Ender I just can't justify putting 40% of my roster into Pedro and RJ. $9m in hitting buys a minimum of 23-30 SWP/EG. More than either Pedro or Randro . . . The only way this would work is if there are some real cheap hitters out there who would make the extra expenditures on hitting irrelevant . . . and I don't really see that. | |||||
| 39 | Lutefisker ID: 5817169 Mon, Feb 26, 16:50 |
We should get some idea pretty quickly as Pedro pitches on the 2nd and the Unit pitches on the 3rd. It will be interesting to see what happens to Units price on the 3rd and even more intersting to see what happens to Pedros price on the 4th. | |||||
| 40 | mets ID: 74452111 Mon, Feb 26, 16:56 | im sure most people who played last year will do the Randro the first week because they dont know the new price changes and will realize you only gain like 100-200K a game..thats my bet. | |||||
| 41 | walk ID: 481133813 Mon, Feb 26, 17:01 |
Madman. I was not clear. I am merely predicting that Randro will not happen this year due to "changes in the evolution of man." Kinda like when the falcons went 4-12 the year after they made it to the super bowl. You know me, I get tired of analysis after reading just one of your paragraphs! I am predicting/betting/speculating that Randro will not occur because of on-the-field-performance(s), whether it be by one of the Randro-ites or by some other pitcher stepping into Randro-dom. My guess is that Randy Johnson gets hurt. That's all. Thanks again for the spreadsheet, madman. It's really easy to tinker about trying to form a team. The "sum" button is quite useful in this regard as well. :-) walk | |||||
| 42 | Madman ID: 146191423 Mon, Feb 26, 17:10 |
walk Ah. I totally agree. This problem was likely to disappear from a natural death. I guess I was reading too much into your "improved the game" comment. If it was going to disappear anyway, exactly how is it "improved"? No prob. on the spreadsheet. I've got some much more intriguing ones in the pipe-line . . . | |||||
| 43 | Species ID: 58412510 Mon, Feb 26, 17:10 |
To Don - re: Bandwagon's post #27 I'm going to make an honest attempt to stay away from my previous SW bashing habits and I wish to pose a more direct, and reasonable question, borrowing from Bandwagon's post. As you eluded to in your initial post, everyone in the internet business relying upon advertising is feeling the crunch. Not only small guys like Dave, but big boys such as Broadband Sports and those pay-to-surf companies (i.e. AllAdvantage) who rely upon advertising revenue are going under, or at least having serious problems. It doesn't take a genious to see that the Hoops pay games are going to lose money this go-around. Survival, 1,460 teams = 14,600 in revenue Grand prize = 5,000 73 Divisional prizes = 7,300 Profit = 2,300 Battle Hoops 777 teams = 7,700 in revenue Grand prize = 5,000 5 Monthly prizes = 5,000 Loss = 3,230 The above assumes you successfully collected from every registered team - which in Survival we know is not the case. It also doesn't take into account the cost of setup, programming, etc. Bottom line: Bandwagon brings up a very legitimate point. Take the loss-leader nature of your first round of pay games, combine them with the internet advertising crunch AND combine that with the "Whoops! We mispriced Hoops" nature of your baseball entry fees and prizes (lower prizes, higher fee) I trust you can't blame us for wondering out loud about our ability to collect from SW should we win one of the current Hoops play games - which some Gurupies certainly plan on doing. Please take this opportunity to assure us that Smallworld is more than capable of sustaining itself in today's current crunch before we sink our cash into pay-to-play games that may not have the economic viability to pay on the other end of the line. How about a set of financials? just kidding | |||||
| 44 | Ender ID: 52438315 Mon, Feb 26, 17:21 | I can see your point given that SWP from pitchers will be dampened as well. That's the part I will have to think through more completely. | |||||
| 45 | Eustacio ID: 570531614 Mon, Feb 26, 17:23 |
Last year, we all saw how Wednesday pitchers and Friday hitters increased because of the new trades given out. With seperate markets, this should be different. What Smallworld, at least from the statistical work that the Gurupie Collective has gathered over the last few years, has done is have the price changes reflect the prices that were made during the 12:00 noon to 12:00 noon cycle. Thus, if there were 1,500 trades made, that was the base for determining price changes. I assume that it will be the same this year, only with the seperate markets. This kept some of the price changes for hitters and pitchers in check. While Clemens may have had a great match-up on Friday, the huge influx of hitter trades greatly decreased Clemens' increase by providing the market with many chances to upgrade their hitters. I know there are more than a few of us who are guilty of running out of hitter trades by Friday evening. I think that hitter gains will be much more constant over the course of the week, as they will have their own market, uninfluenced by the massive amount of pitcher trading. Many people had spare HT left over at the end of the season last year, indicating that pitchers were still traded more often than hitters. Also, the price changes should reflect the actual performance of the players better than in the past. Since there are no pitcher trades to contend with in the market, the effects of a bad couple of games will be greater, causing larger price drops. This will work towards financial gain too. Pitcher gains, as we're seeing from the post by Don, will be lessoned this year. To what extent, I don't know. Perhaps the "2-Start Pitcher" will once again become a viable money-making strategy, as it allows a manager to sit on some trades and watch the less volitile pitcher market increase the pitcher's value, decrease it, and increase it again for the next start. I do think that hitters will be the key to making money in Smallworld Baseball this year. The days shouldn't matter as much because of the seperate markets. All they reflected last year was the higher percentage of available HT or PT at any given time. With seperate markets, this becomes a moot point. Now that I've babbled on this enough from work, feel free to shoot holes in my preliminary analysis. Eustacio | |||||
| 46 | Species ID: 58412510 Mon, Feb 26, 17:23 |
By the way, it may not even take a "genius" to figure out the monetary challenges of the pay games. Duh! (re: post 43, paragraph 3) Guru, is a spell checker in the works for this form? ;-) | |||||
| 47 | Tosh ID: 31934212 Mon, Feb 26, 17:36 |
It really seems that no money will be made from the P slot. If a Randro only nets 100K, a good money train should only net about the same. Prices seem like they will be totally static, and that we will be rejoicing over a +30K/day gainer. I also began thinking about the players that haven't received this information. There is some guy out there, finished 1100th last year as a rookie, and just can't wait for the season to start, because he's knows that doing the Randro is the key to playing the game and becoming rich. Imagine his disappointment. | |||||
| 48 | Madman ID: 146191423 Mon, Feb 26, 18:22 |
Tosh That rookie needs to visit www.rotoguru.com :-) What about Gravity? If price movements are 1/5 of what they used to be, suddenly gravity is as big of a factor for most pitchers than trades! A -10 or -20 every day times 4 pitchers can't be made up with 1 money train anymore . . . Pitchers are our new loss-leaders? | |||||
| 49 | VIDevilRays ID: 508151619 Mon, Feb 26, 18:51 |
I really have to digest the changes before understanding their effect on the game. Just wanted to thank Mr. Mathis for informing us of the changes. New game-new adjustments to make! | |||||
| 50 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Mon, Feb 26, 23:00 |
KKB, unless the pricing algorithm is set up as a hyperbolic function, where a change in trades yields a greater slope in lower trade values, but a lesser slope on greater changes then we will see an across the board decrese in volitilty of pitching trades. ex: CASE 1: if 500 trades results in +50k 500-1000 range yields 40K 1000-1500 yields 20k and 1500-2500 yeilds 10k, then we would see randro die. because if one player was traded into 500 times he would gain 50k. 50k/500 = $100 per trade. but if 2500 players traded into a guy, then the player would gain $120k. 120k/2500 = $48 per trade. In this case the more people who trade into a guy the prices increases less. CASE 2: but if it is a linear change where last year every 500 trades resulted in a player increasing 50k, the 2500 trades would mean $250K in price. so is sw simply changed the algorithm, reducing the linear growth by some percentage X, then the $250K price increase or decrease will be dampened through out the entire scale equally. if X = 50% then in CASE 2, the 500 trades would only be 25k increase or decrese while the 2500 trades would be $125k increase or decrease. It will all depend on the algorithm. is it a linear price algorithm, or more sophisticated hyperbolic price algorithm? | |||||
| 51 | Slow Stick ID: 461232623 Mon, Feb 26, 23:23 |
I didn't quite make 1100 and am starting my 3rd year. I was a bit late on Randro. Actually my best team started with Pedro, Rando, and Kevin plus bets on a couple new pitchers (both heavy negatives on a regular basis) and expecting new money from hitters. Generally I was right (lucky)on the hitters, with a lot of help from you guys. But now I need to rethink. (Thank you Don and guys.) I do not see the regularity necessary for a hitter version of Randro, but when the hitter moves, the move will be quicker and for more money (in either direction) because their trades will be higher percentage of the hitter market. So a lot closer attention needs to be paid. I feel that the pitchers market will be the more interesting. Using last years algorithum the swing would have been greater because of a seperate (smaller) market, what we do not know yet is the dampening factor (is it linear, geometric, or logarithmic) and what is its value. We are all "more equal" at this time. but still equal until madman or someone breaks the code. The analysis of the first 2 trade deadlines is going to be great fun. So much to work on, So little time, So much fun. (now where did I put that worksheet from last year? | |||||
| 52 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Mon, Feb 26, 23:26 | Does Richard play baseball? or does he stick to football? | |||||
| 53 | Madman ID: 146191423 Mon, Feb 26, 23:52 |
Wammie Sigh. It's a straight linear equation. At least it's been linear for the last 4 years. Therefore, you can bet on the x% cut across the board. A "hyperbolic" equation would require a greater degree of sophistication and calibration. Honestly, I'm not sure it would be worth the effort. To avoid the problems of excessive trading, they used to "cap" the effect at some arbitary dollar amount. I think they still do this, but the cap is no longer relevant. And I would imagine Richard will be around. | |||||
| 54 | StLCards ID: 3505622 Tue, Feb 27, 00:21 | Richard is now learning the finer points of golf. Just cracked top 100 this week. fore! | |||||
| 55 | biliruben ID: 231045110 Tue, Feb 27, 00:58 | Well that makes sense, considering golf is all about money. ;) | |||||
| 56 | Lou ID: 270392611 Tue, Feb 27, 03:16 |
Species, thanks for your post #43 in spelling out how these games are in the red. Now, try to figure out how many signups are necessary in order for these games to be profitable. Don't forget to add salary, rent, backend. Then try to hypothesize how so many signups will occur. The writing is on the wall. Do you really want to invest your money, time and energy in a game that very well might not be there to pay you by October? | |||||
| 57 | Baldwin ID: 25440222 Tue, Feb 27, 08:31 | Do we really want to base our game playing decisions on the advice of embittered former employees? | |||||
| 58 | Wammie ID: 513268 Tue, Feb 27, 09:04 | Madman, I figured it would be a linear function. money trains would be dampened greatly if it were the other way. if you jumped on a money train when a lot of people jumped on, but jumped out when fewer people were jumping off, you could lose money! linear is easier, and would require far less testing. | |||||
| 59 | Guru ID: 330592710 Tue, Feb 27, 10:38 |
If I've learned one thing over the past few years, it's that it is very difficult to anticipate the impacts of these types of changes in advance. We need to speculate not only on the formulation of the new algorithm, but also on the impact that will have on trading patterns as the season begins to unfold. Most years - especially early on - trading strategies are dictated by players who come out smoking. And vice versa. Remember how we all got Ramoned last year? That led many to quickly trade someone who had been widely considered to be the cheapie extraordinaire. And everyone flocked to guys like Schoenweis, and Bere, and even a few others whose flash in the pan was no longer than one outing (e.g., Esteban Yan). Assuming that daily changes are toned down for pitchers, it maybe more important to identify a few cheap pitchers who have some potential staying power, and just ride them for awhile. (Easier said than done). But these guys may be the best ones to provide some sustained gains, rather than the rotational oscillations of the more established pitchers. Alternatively, Randro may still be the best game to play, since it should be predictable, allows you to conserve $ for other slots, and will probably still be used by many. It may not produce gains comparable with the best hitter moves, but it still might be the best pitching game in town. Chances are, the best teams will use both approaches, finding the bargain cheapies quickly, allowing them to use their trades for Randro or other stud rotations. Hitter trading patterns are more difficult to discern. Again, there is usually someone who comes out of nowhere to set the early tone. Last year, Gabe Kapler comes to mind as one who started hot, and was immediately snapped up - although he stalled about 5 days (and $700K) later. The point is that, particularly for gains generation, early moves are generally dictated by player performance. The best rewards go to those who can retain flexibility during the early weeks. Doing this requires a reasonably effective draft, since that provides the luxury of being able to use trades to go after opportunities, rather than to bail on early dogs. And while we are chasing the "hot stocks", we can probably also learn alot just by observing. | |||||
| 60 | Species ID: 58412510 Tue, Feb 27, 11:29 |
Baldwin - while I agree Lou's viewpoint is most certainly tainted, the rough facts remain the rough facts (although the number of teams in hoops Survival may be wrong above by a few hundred): The 2 pay-to-play hoops games will lose money. Notice the elite baseball game has a $25.00 entry fee and a mere $1,000 prize, compared to a $10.00 fee and $5,000 prize in hoops. They increased the fee by 150% and decreased the prize by 80%!! What possible conclusion can you draw from that? Bitter or not, the point is that I continue to have concerns about SW's ability to pay the prizes in their current pay-to-play games. I've invested some resources into Survival and have a good shot to win - I want to collect. | |||||
| 61 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Feb 27, 12:58 | What are the legal ramifications of smallworld not paying a winner? | |||||
| 62 | Species ID: 58412510 Tue, Feb 27, 13:03 |
Wammie - if they go under, I would think the legal remifications are ZILCH. Reading between the lines in Bandwagon's post #27, he fears that SW is holding on long enough to launch their Baseball pay-to-play games and collect the money before shutting down the site.....before they pay the winners of the existing Hoops pay-to-play games. Correct me if I'm wrong, Bandwagon. | |||||
| 63 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Feb 27, 13:08 | I would imagine that if SW collected a sum of money from a player for a service (the pay to play baseball) and knowing that they were going under, something would happen. I am no lawyer, and don't claim to know much about the law, but i cannot imagine that would be legal. maybe they would be protected in bankrupt court or something. I don't know. | |||||
| 64 | beastiemiked ID: 581502012 Tue, Feb 27, 13:12 |
Don't know if this relieves them of any duty but, straight from the official Hardball rules: "No transfers, alterations or substitutions permitted by Prize Winners. Small World reserves the right to substitute prizes or withhold prizes in the event described prizes are unawardable for any reason." | |||||
| 65 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Feb 27, 13:45 | That sounds like more than a disclaimer | |||||
| 66 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 431156218 Tue, Feb 27, 13:53 |
Wammie, as a former employee of a failed dot-com (ValueAmerica), I can assure you that companies have a way of knowing they are going under, yet making it look like they did everything possible to keep their heads above water when it comes time for bankruptcy. If you think about it, just the fact that SW is offering a pay-for-play game would say to the court that they are trying harder to generate revenue. Using the stats provided by Species, they could even point out that they reduced prize money in order to turn a larger profit from the increased revenue. All this is hypothetical, I know. But when it comes to bankruptcy and dot-coms, anything is possible. | |||||
| 67 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Feb 27, 13:55 | I don't doubt you at all KKB. I am sure it is a tough spot to be in. I hope the .com market turns around. we'll see though. | |||||
| 68 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Tue, Feb 27, 13:58 |
I have been trying to get this discussion started in the soccer and forum developments forums. I guess I need to do it where more people are coming. I am interested to know how the implications Species and Wammie are discussing would impact the free games and their prizes. I suppose if you PAY and don't get a prize, then I sure as hell won't get one. But damn if that sounds illegal to me. I finished third in one of SW's soccer games (it ended over a month ago) and have still not heard from them. Has anyone else experienced this in Football or even Baseball from last season? I always assumed that the prizes (memorabilia, electronics, World Series trips, etc.) were promotional gifts that SW was able to give out because they received them from advertisers. Why WOULDN'T we get these things if we win? Unless SW is buying these prizes with revenues... Whatever. It sure would be nice if Don Mathis would respond to this portion of the discussion. | |||||
| 69 | Species ID: 58412510 Tue, Feb 27, 14:13 |
Motley - in my experience it takes a fair amount of time to get your SW prize. First off, I hope you used an authentic email address when you signed up, otherwise you could be sunk. Let me suggest emailing them at: prizes@smallworld.com and asking them about your Soccer Prize. I won an authentic Kings jersey in the Playoff Hoops game last year. That would've been what? June? I think I got my jersey in November or December. Needless to say it was a pleasant surprise. In their defense the problem could have been the lack of available merchandise since Hoops was then off-season....and they went out and bought the jerseys once Hoops got rolling again. In terms of your overall question, if Smallworld survives into the summer I don't see how they can't pay the prizes in the pay-to-play games. My fear - unfounded or not - is that the whole house of cards would collapse and we would have nothing....no free games nor pay games and no payment for the winners. | |||||
| 70 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Tue, Feb 27, 14:19 |
The game I played promised 36" Televisions for finishers 2 through 11. I finished 3rd. I don't expect to get the prize anytime soon, but I do expect some kind of notification that they still intend to distribute the prizes. I have noticed the prizes for the free baseball game this year suck (TV for first, everyone else have a hat), and it seems like SW is indeed getting ready to take a large nose-dive. Species--are you suggesting that a UPS guy will just show up out of the blue at my house in June with a large box? I mean, I am starting to worry because I have e-mailed them a half dozen times and have not even received a response. No "Quit wasting our time" or "Thank you for your interest..." or even "Yes, you did win; Congratulations!" Nothing. I will send something to the address you suggested, though. Thanks for that. | |||||
| 71 | beastiemiked ID: 5037210 Tue, Feb 27, 14:33 | Keep trying MC, it took me 3 months to get one of my confirmations for my MS prize. Try dmathis@smallworld.com he was very helpful and answered my numerous emails in a reasonable amount of time. | |||||
| 72 | Species ID: 58412510 Tue, Feb 27, 14:35 |
Motley - not exactly on the UPS guy. I did get email notification and verified my home address with them, so there was some communication regarding it. I also had to tell them the size, team, uniform #, etc. I probably emailed them once later in the summer with no response, then 'poof', the jersey showed up. Stick to it and don't give up. A 36" TV is nothing to sneeze at, but I would expect there to be some confirmation of your name/address before they just send the UPS guy out. | |||||
| 73 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Tue, Feb 27, 14:37 | Sounds like they wil award the prizes, then. I will just remain patient. Thanks for the advice guys. As I have said before, a 36" TV is a big prize and I am not inclined to give up on this very easily. | |||||
| 74 | Guru ID: 330592710 Tue, Feb 27, 15:14 |
MC - Remain patient, but be diligent. And let us know if/when you get a response. Anyone that is thinking of playing a pay baseball game has plenty of time to wait before spending anything. We need to hear that SW is being responsive to prize winners of past games. And if they aren't, then forking over more money doesn't make much sense, does it? I want to see SW survive as much as anyone. But if they are trying to recruit pay-to-play customers by offering prizes, then we at least ought to know that prior prize winners are not being ignored. If there is a delay, prize winners should at least be contacted and acknowledged. Failure to communicate, or to acknowledge legitimate inquiries, is disrespectful at best, and unscrupulous at worst. | |||||
| 75 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Feb 27, 15:22 |
I am with the guru here. I would not pay any money in SW and not even get a prize. it sounds like they need some better customer service. If I hear bad things about the cutomer service at a restaurant, I don't run there and give them my money, just to be treated the same way. Why should your fantasy sports be any different? | |||||
| 76 | The Bandwagon ID: 501272618 Tue, Feb 27, 15:33 |
Replying to post #62 Species, you are correct. I have called and e-mailed SW several times about the monthly $1000 prize in Elite hoops. As of today, I haven't received a response. I know Mr Mathis has read this thread, and by him not responding, fuels my suspicion. I am currently #1 in Elite hoops, and KB, and WAB are close behind. One of us should win the grand prize, and you better beleive we will update the board if the prizes are/aren't received. | |||||
| 77 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Wed, Feb 28, 07:23 |
Update: I sent a letter with my concerns to prizes@smallworld.com yesterday and received the following response this morning: This was received on February 27th. And, yes you are the third place winner in Brasileirao Virtual. Prize winners will be notified in the next week or so. In the meantime, we are sorry for the delay and appreciate your patience. Regards, The Commish Looks like the robots aren't running the place by themselves at SW HQ after all! That TV is gonna be so sweet in my living room. Thanks for the address Species. | |||||
| 78 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 28, 07:30 | That sounds like good news MC. I am sure you will get it eventually. | |||||
| 79 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Wed, Feb 28, 07:31 |
By the way, for people who decide to write Don Mathis personally: I tried and he didn't respond to me. I assume he is pretty busy (enough that he can't answer every e-mail individually), and I received the response from the above address in less than 3 hours, so that may be the way to go. On a personal level, I hope Small World does make it. I really can't imagine a world without them. Just the thought of not playing Fantasy Football in August is choking me up. I can't believe, with how successful they were in the past, that they weren't able to hook up with some corporate giant (CNN.com?) to ensure their survival. They have to realize this pay-to-play drivel is not going to substantially increase revenue. Maybe we need to start an add-clicking campaign over at SW.com. //MC | |||||
| 80 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 28, 08:39 | Add clicking isn't worth anything any more. but a few football seasons back, when they had click three times, get 10,000. i bet they had tons of click money coming in those days. Everyone who played clicked three times a day back then. | |||||
| 81 | Motley Crue ID: 101010298 Wed, Feb 28, 08:51 | You're right--I used to click every day of the season. I didn't have a computer, but always found a way to get online to get that extra 10,000 bucks. Any competitive advantage, right? But seriously, SW still gets paid clicking revenues, no? | |||||
| 82 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 28, 09:21 | click revs are worth almost nothing now compared to what they once were. it might take 50 clicks to earn a penny now days or something. | |||||
| 83 | The Pink Pimp ID: 36423223 Thu, Mar 15, 00:41 | BUTT - If I missed this then perhaps others did too. | |||||
| 84 | esposo ID: 332482211 Thu, Mar 22, 12:14 |
I spent a lot of time on fantasy hockey this year, WOW am I behind on reading. I have a 5 hour bus ride to go to a track meet tomorrow to read all of this thread and some of the pitching threads. I guess my "Milwaukee powerplant" [Jenkins, Bruenitz, Hammonds, Sexton, Hernandez] might have to go on hold. I might not buy any of them now. | |||||
| 85 | Taipei Mutant ID: 53242213 Thu, Mar 22, 13:17 |
Hey it's great to be back and see so many old faces! The fog is already here in Los Angeles - a sure sign of spring as I emerge from my 6-month roto-hibernation. I am happy to see the new SW rules. To be honest I got bored with SW last year. As has been noted here and elsewhare, Randro is not rocket science, and high maintenance to boot. After the All-Star break I only paid minimal interest to my main SW team, in favor of an exciting Sandbox Fullcount race I was in. Good luck to everyone - any interest in forming a casual - i.e. non-maniacal - league of managers living in southern California? | |||||
| 86 | saber34 ID: 202542217 Thu, Mar 22, 18:56 |
hey esposo, hows the team doing... My brothers 3200m relay team finished 3rd or 4th? in the state at 7:43 last year, he ran the first leg and really kicked it in at the 300 mark, gave about a 10 meter lead at the hand off... It was a pretty wild ride... As they came accross the stagger down the straight there was a nearly perfect wall of runners, everone was even. I just love the nervousness and excitement of competition, I'm turning numb thinking about it. I wish I had a way to get back into it. Just need to wait for my kids to grow up. | |||||
| Rate this thread: | If you wish, you may rate this thread on scale of 1-5. Ratings should indicate how valuable or interesting you believe this thread would be to other users of this forum. A '5' means that this thread is a 'must read'. A '1' means that this is a complete waste of time. If you have previously rated this thread, rating it again will delete your previous rating. If you do not want to rate this thread, but want to see how others have rated it, then click the button without entering a rating, or else click here. | ||||||
| |||||||
Post a reply to this message: (But first, how about checking out this sponsor?) | |||||||