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Subject: Forum Decorum Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Fri, Apr 06, 12:07 I've recently received several emails about the increased number of worthless threads at this baseball forum. In particular, there are a handful of new users who seem more intent on adding bulk, or gaining attention, rather than on adding value. My first reaction is that this has become the norm as each new season unfolds. The forum attracts a few new users who probably don't belong here. But inevitably, for whatever reasons, they either get with the program, or else disappear. And I'm confident that will be the case with baseball as well. There are several ways to approach this problem, and each method has its time and place:
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| 1 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 51521713 Fri, Apr 06, 12:27 | And let's not forget thread ratings. Instead of adding a comment to a thread that is "worthless", simply rate it a 1 and let it be. | |||||
| 2 | CH ID: 4910502912 Fri, Apr 06, 12:30 | well said | |||||
| 3 | The Beezer ID: 191202817 Fri, Apr 06, 13:15 | Exactly what I was thinking but better said, KKB. Let everyone know who you think is #1! :) | |||||
| 4 | Cornell AllStar ID: 5661130 Fri, Apr 06, 15:53 | No one pays attention to thread ratings. I know I don't, and I know a lot of people don't either. | |||||
| 5 | Buchster ID: 57324121 Fri, Apr 06, 16:33 | Cornell AllStar, I wouldn't say nobody pays attention to ratings. I filter the threads by rating, and anything under 2 doesn't get read. | |||||
| 6 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 51521713 Fri, Apr 06, 19:12 |
Cornell Allstar, it's not so much a matter of people paying attention to the ratings as it is a matter of not cluttering the board with responses to a worthless thread and "venting" your frustration, by voting the thread a 1, through a method that will not validate the thread and will also prevent a response to your response which then leads to another response and then you end up with a thread that has more responses than a thread that is actually worth reading. That is the purpose of using the thread ratings, as opposed to other methods, to deem a thread "worthless". | |||||
| 7 | Hershy ID: 1220180 Fri, Apr 06, 19:30 | What about logins? you login to post and if your posts are often unhelpful or a waste of time, it can be revoked... | |||||
| 8 | Eustacio ID: 51729258 Fri, Apr 06, 19:30 |
Also, a bit of advice that seems to get forgotten every so often (I think QB was the first to say it?) is helpful. "Don't feed the Trolls" | |||||
| 9 | Ender ID: 13443221 Fri, Apr 06, 19:31 | That's essentially what we do now. We post under handles that are assigned a unique ID. If posint ability is abused, Guru can block the ID. | |||||
| 10 | Phyrre56 ID: 317391714 Fri, Apr 06, 21:44 |
Guru, I am glad to hear that you are consciously limiting the use of the "heavy hand." I would be very upset if this forum became an elitist club that was too concerned with their own teams to consider bringing along new managers. The primary function of the baseball board is, of course, discussion relating to strategy and decision making for fantasy baseball teams. There is no knowledge or wisdom requirement to check in. For every insightful comment that comes from a vet, a newbie could just as easily have a stroke of genius, something that we've never seen before, something new and original. Hopefully with posts such as this, new users will realize that this is not just a forum to post whatever you feel like posting. It is a serious community of managers. We have lots of fun and companionship, but we're not going to tolerate ignorance or blatant disrespect. I'll get off the soapbox now... :^ ) | |||||
| 11 | el guapo ID: 4082113 Fri, Apr 06, 22:50 | what a useless thread | |||||
| 12 | Ender ID: 13443221 Fri, Apr 06, 22:53 |
I strongly suggest we all take Guru's advice above and ignore tg, el guapo, STEWART, or whatever he chooses to call himself next (ID: 4082113). The rest will take care of itself. | |||||
| 13 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Sat, Apr 07, 01:04 | I think we all can agree on #12 | |||||
| 14 | Madman ID: 29246911 Sat, Apr 07, 01:26 |
Q: Why does the thread always have to rise to the top after a post? Idea: Would it add too much complexity to have yet another option button that would allow me to respond to a thread but continue to have it drop? This way you could "coach" (solution 3) and also let the thread drop (solution 4). My concern is that it's hard to distinguish between situations 3 and 4 -- especially if you don't spend 24 hours a day here. Heck, I spend 30 hours a day here and still am not sure I could tell a situation 3 from a 4. Just an idea, FWIW. I'm not sure how much it would be used. Proceed to shoot it down. Or ignore it and let it drop :). | |||||
| 15 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 51521713 Sat, Apr 07, 07:54 |
Madman, the only problem with that (and keep in mind that I'm playing devil's advocate) is that it would be simple for the person you are responding to to just post a response and click "Allow thread to rise up", or whatever the button would be. Ignoring really does work. And I do know how hard it is to ignore an annoying post (I spend time in other work-related forums that have way more worthless threads everyday), but that's why I love the thread rating because I can "voice" my opinion without giving the thread any merit or response. | |||||
| 16 | steve houpt ID: 2133444 Sat, Apr 07, 10:17 |
Anyone who checked the boards Apr 06 around 23:00 would have been greeted with these eleven posts in eleven different threads at the top courtesy of same ID. Hard to ignore (or miss) the post when the thread itself was worth reading. Click and find nothing has been added but BS. You can ignore by not responding, but you can't miss it. Fri, Apr 06, 22:32 japan man!!!!! Fri, Apr 06, 22:39 i would go with vitaly potapenko. he is naste. sure to be a price train. choo choo all aboard Fri, Apr 06, 22:40 i heard grudz beats his wife Fri, Apr 06, 22:41 ill take potent potables for 500 Fri, Apr 06, 22:42 he is almost as good as shane hillenbrand Fri, Apr 06, 22:43 forsberg and sakic are nastey Fri, Apr 06, 22:45 if i was you i would pick up rod beck. he will dominate out of the pn with his mullet and chalupa eating. Fri, Apr 06, 22:47 woah. nomar will a 2-run dinger opposite field - [nomar on DL] Fri, Apr 06, 22:50 what a useless thread Fri, Apr 06, 22:51 unfortunately, your dog will have to be put to sleep Fri, Apr 06, 22:54 senor. yo necesito su cabeza y chips. mandate a mi porque soy un srubdad. | |||||
| 17 | Blade ID: 91129311 Sat, Apr 07, 10:29 |
the guy must not have anything else better to do. I wonder if he's seen the movie "loser" | |||||
| 18 | Tranceformer ID: 26224814 Sat, Apr 07, 11:41 |
i find it funny that the only people who are reading this post are probably the people who already know all about forum decorum..... the newbies are still trying to figure out what to do now that daryle ward went 0-3..... | |||||
| 19 | H Hershy ID: 1220180 Sat, Apr 07, 11:45 | I did not know that each person had a distinct ID number. Yu learn something every day | |||||
| 20 | GoatLocker ID: 23727611 Sat, Apr 07, 11:49 |
HH, It's tied to the cookie from the computer you are posting from. If you post from more than one computer as some of us do, you will see more than one number. I post from anyone of 4 computers, so depending on which one I'm on at the time, you will see 4 different numbers. Cliff | |||||
| 21 | Guru ID: 330592710 Sat, Apr 07, 12:03 | steve houpt - you've clearly identified a situation that does require a "heavy hand". Please alert me via email when you encounter that type of attack in the future. | |||||
| 22 | Baldwin ID: 23311413 Sat, Apr 07, 12:20 | I'd be all for letting threads with lots of #1 ratings drop fatser than higher rated threads but I've seen too many great threads inexplicably rated #1 by a number of idiots? pranksters? | |||||
| 23 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Sat, Apr 07, 12:25 |
Agreed Baldwin. I don't think people take the ratings very seriously. some people also have a vendetta. during the foot ball season this year, Adam's GMen would get a 1 no matter what he posted. granted he did say a lot of stuff that was worthless, but there were other times when he had some decent posts as well. He wasn't saying jibberish as the the above mentioned poster however. if the rating system was used seriously, it would be a great thing. but often it doesn't tell me if a thread is worth anything or not. | |||||
| 24 | Strike One ID: 39252299 Sat, Apr 07, 14:31 | i hate to bring up the idea of elitest again but perhaps me to restrict forum rating to certain gurupies. therefore you wouldn't have so crazy guy come in here and rate a madman thread a 1. | |||||
| 25 | Ender ID: 13443221 Sat, Apr 07, 14:34 | I don't think that's necessary at all. The truth of the matter is that 95% of the people who post are abiding by the standards. If that 95% simply ignores the other 5% then there will be no problem. | |||||
| 26 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 51521713 Sat, Apr 07, 15:06 |
The point isn't to neccessarily use the thread ratings as a guide to what you should or shouldn't read, but rather to use them as a way of "venting", while not pushing the worthless thread to the top again. A lot of Madman's threads get 1's because people just don't understand what the hell he's talking about, but those who do understand think they're priceless. The threads that get a low rating that are actually good will continue to get pushed to the top from the, in these types of cases, worthwhile dialog. I, too, don't use the thread ratings much as a filter of what to read or not read, but I most certainly use them as a method of response to worthless threads while not pushing the thread to the top and not validating the thread. Just take 10 of the current "worthless" threads and remove all the "This thread is worthless" type of comments and replace them with a thread rating of 1 and you'll see that the thread would quickly be relegated to "Page 2" or deeper with no more than a single response and twice as many ratings. The thread is essentially killed without cluttering the board for more than a day. | |||||
| 27 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 431156218 Mon, Apr 09, 10:28 |
An idea. Is there a way to prevent someone from rating their own thread? I've noticed that there are a lot of the "worthless" types of threads floating around with about 10, or more, "1" votes and 1 "5" vote. Not too hard to figure out where the "5" came from in most instances. | |||||
| 28 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Apr 09, 10:49 | I could do that. But I doubt if it's worth the effort. | |||||
| 29 | Ender ID: 13443221 Mon, Apr 16, 10:28 | BUTT | |||||
| 30 | Strike One ID: 39252299 Mon, Apr 16, 10:36 | good call ender. | |||||
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