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Subject: Mock Draft, Round 4

Posted by: Mikel @ not at home - [588101114] Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 22:46

The other thread was getting pretty long...

ROUND 1

1.1 Alex Rodriguez, SS - sledge
1.2 Randy Johnson, P - Mr. Nice Guy
1.3 Pedro Martinez, P - CanEHdian Pride
1.4 Ivan Rodriguez, C - Khahan
1.5 Mike Piazza, C - Chuck
1.6 Todd Helton, 1B - Dan
1.7 Sammy Sosa, OF - tduncan
1.8 Curt Schilling, P - Strike One
1.9 Vladimir Guerrero, OF - wazaaap_guy
1.10 jason giambi, 1B - wiggs
1.11 Barry Bonds, OF - blockaa
1.12 Ichiro, OF - Mikel

ROUND 2

2.1 Chipper Jones, 3B - Mikel
2.2 Manny Ramirez, OF - blockaa
2.3 Roger Clemens, P - wiggs
2.4 Derek Jeter, SS - wazaaap_guy
2.5 Jeff Bagwell, 1B - Strike one
2.6 Roberto Alomar, 2B - tduncan
2.7 Greg Maddux, P - Dan
2.8 Albert Pujols, 3B - Chuck
2.9 Tim Hudson, P - Khahan
2.10 Jason Kendall, C - canEHdian Pride
2.11 Mariano Rivera, P - Mr. Nice Guy
2.12 Mike Mussina, P - sledge

ROUND 3

3.1 Kevin Brown, P - sledge
3.2 Nomar Garciaparra, SS - Mr. Nice Guy
3.3 Troy Glaus, 3B - CanEHdian Pride
3.4 Jeff Kent, 2B - Khahan
3.5 Miguel Tejada, SS - Chuck
3.6 Luis Gonzales, OF - Dan
3.7 Shawn Green, OF - tduncan
3.8 Juan Gonzalez, OF - Strike One
3.9 Bobby Abreu, OF - wazaaap_guy
3.10 Ken griffey Jr, OF - wiggs
3.11 Matt Morris, P - blockaa
3.12 Carlos Delgado, 1B - Mikel

Mikel @ not at home
ID: 588101114
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 22:59

4.1 Gary Sheffield

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 23:09

nice pick mikel. i had shef on my list too

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 23:16

Where'd blockaa go? He was here just a bit ago. I was hoping it might get back to me tonite, but maybe not.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 23:21

By the way, I know how to spell "tonight"-- just doing it shorthand. ;-)

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 23:32

i'm going to bed, be back tommorow no later than noob EST.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 23:46

im about to go out, theres no point in my sending a queue if we're just gonna get stuck on the pick after me. if i dont check back in later ill pick around 8 tomorrow.

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 00:14

First off . . . wiggs, you know I'm just messing with you. You can call him Clemans if you want. :)

This is the last proposed position requirements list I saw:

8 pitchers (starters or not)
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 3B
1 SS
1 IF
4 OF
1 Util
5 Bench

I'm assuming this is what we are using. Please let me know if something is to be changed.

I was a little surprised at Mikel's picks. Delgado and Sheffield are both solid, but I felt certain he'd snag a P. Anyways, as for my pick . . . there are several great outfielders left that I would love to have, but I really can't use 3 out of my first 4 on OF . . . SO . . .
4.2 Phil Nevin

I think I'm going to be around pretty much the entire weekend. Maybe we can do some serious damage the next couple of days.

Mikel
ID: 5814539
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 00:17

Wiggs IMed me his picks 4.3 Freddy Garcia

Looks like thats all the picks we will have for tonight.

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 00:19

Can someone post an update.....i am too tired and need to conserve all my energy for studying.

THANX!

and if you have anymore coffee throw it my way!

Mikel
ID: 5814539
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 00:19

blockaa if your around, do you have AIM?

I think it would be cool to get everyones screennames.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 00:37

4.4 Javier Vazquez

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:21

Nice pick wazaap. i had javi Vazquez on my list. I made it home b4 last call. Didn't even get the chance to get "whiskey bent and hellbound". I'm around for a little while b4 I just pass out.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:23

I never can remember just how many a's are in wazaaap. Where is strike one??

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:24

Ok, this is getting rough now. I had my list of players for round 4 as follows: Matt Morris, Bobby Abreu, Phil Nevin, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Delgado, or Gary Sheffield.
Amazing, I thought for sure I would get one of them.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:39

Personally I think there has to be a relief pitcher requirement seeing as how the "closer" has become such a huge part of the game. Saves is a big deal and I think pitchers should be broken up.
8 pitchers with at least
5 starters
2 relief

catcher
1b
2b
3b
ss
3of
2utility/DH types
5 bench

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:44

Can we call hime C- lemons? Or Clem- uns? or even C-lemmings like in the TSN game?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 01:48

I guess Strike one went to bed anyway? so what the heck am I doing awake. I've only been up since 1pm on Thursday. Goodnight all .

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 02:26

Round One	Round Two	Round Three	Round Four
Alex Rodriguez	Chipper Jones	Kevin Brown	Gary Sheffield
Randy Johnson	Manny Ramirez	Nomar Garciaparra	Phil Nevin
Pedro Martinez	Roger Clemens	Troy Glaus	Freddy Garcia
Ivan Rodriguez	Derek Jeter	Jeff Kent	Javier Vazquez
Mike Piazza	Jeff Bagwell	Miguel Tejada
Todd Helton	Roberto Alomar	Luis Gonzalez
Sammy Sosa	Greg Maddux	Shawn Green
Curt Schilling	Albert Pujols	Juan Gonzalez
Vladimir Guerrero	Tim Hudson	Bobby Abreu
Jason Giambi	Jason Kendall	Ken Griffey, Jr.
Barry Bonds	Mariano Rivera	Matt Morris
Ichiro Suzuki	Mike Mussina	Carlos Delgado

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 02:50

sledge	Alex Rodriguez	Mike Mussina	Kevin Brown
Mr. Nice Guy	Randy Johnson	Mariano Rivera	Nomar Garciaparra
CanEHdian Pride	Pedro Martinez	Jason Kendall	Troy Glaus
Khahan	Ivan Rodriguez	Tim Hudson	Jeff Kent
Chuck	Mike Piazza	Albert Pujols	Miguel Tejada
Dan	Todd Helton	Greg Maddux	Luis Gonzalez
tduncan	Sammy Sosa	Roberto Alomar	Shawn Green
Strike One	Curt Schilling	Jeff Bagwell	Juan Gonzalez
wazaaap_guy	Vladimir Guerrero	Derek Jeter	Bobby Abreu	Javier Vazquez
wiggs	Jason Giambi	Roger Clemens	Ken Griffey, Jr.	Freddy Garcia
blockaa	Barry Bonds	Manny Ramirez	Matt Morris	Phil Nevin
Mikel	Ichiro Suzuki	Chipper Jones	Carlos Delgado	Gary Sheffield

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 07:56

I'm back, and as expected, all my prospects for this round are gone...

I like sledge's idea for the requirements, but I think 1 of the utility spots should be an IF spot, so we won't be able to stuck 5 OFs in the starting lineup.

that gives us:

8 P (min 5 starters 2 releivers)
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 SS
1 3B
1 IF
3 OF
1 DH/utility
5 bench

thats 23 players, 23 rounds to the draft.

what do you guys think?

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 10:28

4.5 Andruw Jones

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:10

I can agree with that. 1 infield utility and 1 outfield utility.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:17

4.6 Alfonso Soriano

yes, I know I allready have Alomar, but I couldn't give up this guy so late, specially with the IF utility position.

what do you mean by outfield utility?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:22

Just meaning that basically 1 extra hitter on your roster would be an infielder and 1 outfielder. Outfield utility does sound a little strange. More or less you are getting two dh's.

Rogue's Strikers
ID: 1611816
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:47

I've been following this draft since I'm on one at fanhome, just thought I'd chime in here with a quick question: Sledge, an OF utility is the same as a 4th OF slot, right? ;)

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:53

Yes, I guess that would be correct. Sometimes the words don't come out quite the way you want them to.

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:59

wow, i thought i had a good shot at soriano next round. nice pick.

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 11:59

I say make it 7 bench players and have 25 rounds. Gives you the ability to have more depth in the outfield or perhaps have an extra starter or reliever.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:06

good idea EH. sledge I thought that the idea was 1 IF and 1 utility player (not an "OF utility").

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:06

i am going to be in and out all day. I dont pick for like 17 more picks so that will be like late tonight or tomorrow anyways. If it gets to me and I am not around i will email some picks to someone so i dont hold anyone up. Thanks. Peace.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:07

I'm here... anyone know where Dan is?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:08

Well. Talent gets pretty watered down by then. In a 10 team league 25 rounds gets you 250 players. In a 12 man league 23 rounds gets you 276 players taken. I don't know about you, but do you really expect the 300th player in the draft to do much. Part of the fun of a league is picking up unknowns off the waiver wire once the season starts. But I'll do it either way. I guess if you had more players you'd have more trade bait.

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:11

are we making this into a real league tha we are going to play out?

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:18

looks like it wiggs.

sledge I agree that those late round picks don't have a lot of upside, but if the roster spots are there (and I agree with EH, we need more roster spots for depth) we might as well draft for those spots, see how good of scouts we really are.

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:25

i also vote for utility IF and utility OF. That's how Sandbox does it.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 12:26

Well, I'm gonna grab lunch real quick. I'll be back in less than a half hour. I'm pretty sure who I'm going to pick next unless Dan takes him. So when he picks, I'll be be pretty quick. IOW, Khahan, stay ready. :)

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 13:27

I hate to do this guys, I know I'm up in 2 picks. But its my daughters 1st birthday today. Guests are starting to arrive, so I've got to go. I had a list of 5 players or so I was hoping to get in round 4. But like I said, all of them have been taken. So even with trying to plan ahead, I don't have a list of players to email.
I'll check back in tomorrow morning, or possibly later tonight (after 8pm est probably). But, with all my picks taken, I'll need time to research some more.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 13:31

In that case, I'll take a break from waiting for a while. Khahan-- What time do you think you'll check back tonight? This way I won't have to sit here or make you wait later.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 13:50

Well. I'm gonna take the kids to the gym now. It looks like we'll be down for a while and they've been bugging me all day. Check back later

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 14:18

i'll be on and off all day, obviously as my picks nears, i'll be here ready to pick. even though that isn't likely to happen.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 16:16

I'll be on and off as well. I have a few potentials, but they will likely be nabbed before my turn.

Dan
Donor
ID: 41838303
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 17:36

4.7 Bret Boone

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 17:45

Ouch! I was hoping Boone would slip thru. His performance will probably depend on whether or not he got his prescription for the 'roids renewed. He's never hit with that kind of power before. Maybe he got into Big Mac's locker.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 17:49

and the 2B trend begins!

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 18:18

I have a query about the rules pertaining to pitching, you're required to have 5 starters and 2 closers right? The 8th pitcher can be either SP or RP. Or can you have 4 and 4, etc?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 18:28

It depends what type of league you play in. Last year in Sandbox your starters got 162 games and your relievers got 140 games and it didn't matter how many of each you had. What was kind of said before was 5 and 2 and 1 pitcher that was your option to use either way.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 18:32

I still don't understand what is OF utility.

is this just another OF spot, or like a DH spot for all hitters?

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 18:46

still quite a bit of talent out there, I wonder what spot chuck will fill?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 18:57

tduncan

Rather than just having 3 outfield positions and 4 infield positions the infield and outfield utility spots allow you to accrue points on your roster by utilizing players that would otherwise just be on your bench. It has absolutely nothing to do with a players ability to play more than one position for his team. Your infield utility player allows you to pick an infielder from any infield position to add to your point total. likewise for your outfield utility player - it's technically a 4th outfielder that would otherwise be wasting away on your bench.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 19:02

I understand that. I just think that having an "OF utility" is kind of strange, because it's basicly a 4th OF. you can't utilize anything from that.

I think we should have an IF spot, for any position but OF, and a DH spot for another extra hitter (not neccesraly an OF).

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 19:03

You will also find that while some players actually only DH for their actual MLB teams that in fantasy baseball they are assigned a position. You'll probably notice that DH is not a position on the ESPN player rankings. Your infield/ outfield utility players do not have to be a DH. They can be a DH or a regular position player.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 19:06

the only thing we are interested in utilizing is points man. I used the term utility because that is the term Sandbox made for that position last year.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 19:13

I didn't mean DH as an actual DH (edgar etc.), I ment it as a "utility" spot (I like this term better too) for another extra hitter, from all positions.

whats going on with everybody anyway? 3 only 3 picks today.

hey, I don't even know what utilize is, it just seems like a good word to say :)

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 20:16

Geepers... I've been away, but Khahan isn't gonna be back yet, anyway. In a way I hate to do this, but with no pitchers on my team yet, I must go:

4.8 Barry Zito, P

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 22:02

That's one heck of a one-year old birthday party. My one year old has had two naps since that party started.

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 22:26

if/when khahan comes back, we should have a nice little run of picks. EH has been around off and on all day.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 23:21

Hey guys, I'm back and ready to pick when the time comes.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 23:39

Well guys, there's not even much new baseball news to talk about. Any predictions on spring training trades? Pitchers and catcher report this coming week. I think the Rangers outfield is pretty crowded and I think they'll try to trade Kapler - hopefully for pitching. The Rangers are stacked on offense, but their starting pitching leaves alot to be desired.

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sat, Feb 09, 2002, 23:49

Checking in for the first time today . . . figured I would be holding everyone up. Ha! Disappointing to see that only 4 picks were made today. I figured we'd make real progress this weekend. No biggie I guess . . .

Initially, I was real surprised to see Soriano picked this early. But after doing a little research, I realized that might not be too bad of a pick. I doubt his numbers this season will be a big improvement over 2001, though. What does everyone else think?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 00:01

I think he's top 5 at his position, so I wasn't that surprised to see him go early. I was surprised to see him go to tduncan who already had Alomar at 2nd base. If Jeter hits lead-off and Soriano moves up into the 2 hole look for his numbers (esp. run and stolen bases) to improve.

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 00:36

another slow day. 2 picks in 13 hours. I am going out since it wont be my pick for a while. Talk to you all later.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 01:04

All righty, I'm just gonna give my schedule for tomorrow:

I'll check in about 10 Central tomorrow before I head out to church.

I'll then check in throughout the afternoon starting at around 1:00. I'll do this through about 5:30 C.

I'll be back again around 9:00 or so.

If it appears at any time that I'll be up soon before I leave, I'll send my picks to someone who is on. I have a pretty good clue of what I want to do for the next few picks (for now). Anyway, if others around me (esp from Khahan to the top) could list their schedules, I can plan out when to pick (hopefully) tomorrow.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 01:07

I'll probably be around til about 2 eastern tonight. Back around 12 to check in, on and off throughout sunday.

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 08:27

Ok, I'm back. I'll be off an on sporadically today. I can't honestly give a schedule. But after picking one of last years biggest break outs, Lance Berkman I can just say I'll check back in. I managed to stop on last night but it wasn't up to me yet.
As for the extra spots, I'd rather see 3 outfield spots, 1 for each infield position, an active DH and the rest are bench. Whatever size rosters you want, 23 or 25. Make the extra's bench.
For pitchers, I like the 5SP, 2 RP, 1 whatever.

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 08:34

Damn, hoped Berky would fall a bit further.

4.10 Edgardo Alfonzo

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 08:52

wiggs, check your mailbox when I'm up....I sent you my queue.

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 09:40

CP, I was torn between Berky and another 2 guys. I figured I'd better take him before all the decent OF are gone. Just hoping the rest of my infield picks last a few rounds. Along with my pitchers. This is when it starts getting difficult apparently.

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 10:54

my status is the same as yesturday. off and on all day.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 11:27

I go away for the night, and so do my next 2 picks. Oy Vey!!

I'm off to church but will be back in about 3 1/2 hours.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 11:57

Mr. Nice - after you make your pick be ready and I'll send it right back to you. I'm here off and on until around 6pm then I'll be gone for quite a while.

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:06

�	1	2	3	4
sledge	Alex Rodriguez	Mike Mussina	Kevin Brown	�
Mr. Nice Guy	Randy Johnson	Mariano Rivera	Nomar Garciaparra	�
CanEHdian Pride	Pedro Martinez	Jason Kendall	Troy Glaus	Edgardo Alfonzo
Khahan	Ivan Rodriguez	Tim Hudson	Jeff Kent	Lance Berkman
Chuck	Mike Piazza	Albert Pujols	Miguel Tejada	Barry Zito
Dan	Todd Helton	Gregg Maddux	Luis Gonzales	Bret Boone
tduncan	Sammy Sosa	Roberto Alomar	Shawn Green	Alfonso Soriano
Strike One	Curt Schilling	Jeff Bagwell	Juan Gonzales	Andruw Jones
wazaaap_guy	Vladimir Guerrero	Derek Jeter	Bobby Abreu	Javier Vazques
wiggs	Jason Giambi	Roger Clemens	Ken Griffey Jr.	Freddy Garcia
blockaa	Barry Bonds	Manny Ramirez	Matt Morris	Phil Nevin
Mikel	Ichiro Suzuki	Chipper Jones	Carlos Delgado	Gary Sheffield

Catcher	1st Baseman	2nd Baseman	Shortstop	3rd Baseman	Outfielder	Starting Pitcher	Relieve Pitcher
3	4	5	4	4	13	12	1

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:27

Nice graphics tduncan. I'm of the non-computer whiz ability group. I'm just keeping mine with pen and paper. As slow as this draft is it's actually faster than the one I was in last year, and then about half the league quit halfway through the season. One guy after sitting thru nearly 3 weeks of drafting decided he didn't want to play and put his entire team on the waiver wire in the 1st week of the season. That was a scrambled mess.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:36

I'm here, and will pick soon!

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:37

Hoping for a breakout year for 4.11 Magglio Ordonez

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:56

4.12 Brian Giles

There for a while I thought I was going to get both Berkman and Giles.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 13:58

5.1 Rafael Palmeiro, 1b

Before the run on 1st basemen really gets going I'd better get a good one. Back atcha Mr. Nice Guy.

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:01

Gee, you're right about the 1bs, I'm going to take 5.2 Mike Sweeney

wazaaap_guy
ID: 85522721
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:28

I was taking a look at some draft online and I noticed that those managers heavily traded draft picks in the middle of the draft. along these same lines, EH or khahan, if you were gonna pick a player that you think would still be available in the 5.9 hole, would you be interested in trading your pick this round to upgrade a pick elsewhere?

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:33

I think I'm going to hold onto my pick this round.

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:35

I think we'd be better off just to keep our draft order than to try to keep up with all that mess. I don't like the position I am drafting in either, but I think it's probably more fair than offering up trades in draft order.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 85522721
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:37

fine

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:56

why would we trade?
it's a mock draft

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 14:58

I need somethign to do while we wait for CP to post (or wiggs to come back and check his que).
I just have to say, Rafael Palmiero is easily (in my eyes, at least)the most underrated player of our time. He was going to be my pick this round, too. So, again, I'm back to doing some research.
How many seasons did he put up MVP type numbers and not even get moderate consideration?

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:02

Wiggs - you around man ? EH said he mailed his picks to ya. Khahan is around and Chuck should be back shortly from church. We may have an opportunity to move a little this afternoon.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 85522721
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:29

strike one, havent you been reading this thread? it looks like we're making this into a league.

Mikel
ID: 33156417
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:46

I haven't Posted in a few Days so just so you guys dont think im dead ill be checking in on and off untill 5. I'm going to a buddies to watch the All- Star game. I'll most likely still check in there if he lets me use his computer.

Olympics have been pretty good so Far if you ask me.

I'll check in a half hour.

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:53

Canadian pride selects
5.3 Jimmy Rollins

wiggs
ID: 191127230
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:55

sorry fellas, i didnt see the sweeney pick. I have been sitting here waiting.

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 15:58

5.4 Al Leiter

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 16:32

Dan's been idle on AIM for over 6 hours

Mikel
ID: 33156417
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 16:51

Ok im off to watch the game ill check in at half time.

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 16:53

All righty, my pick is coming up in a few minutes... please stand by. :)

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 17:11

I'm gonna try to anticipate for a little while... ;-)

5.5 Kazuhiro Sasaki

100

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 17:12

For post 84, I think trades would add a little spice to the game and am all for it, however if everyone agrees, I think we should make another "Trades" thread separate from the actual draft.

101

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 17:16

Let's see if Dan can improve on his "best draft" status.

102

Dan
Donor
ID: 41838303
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 17:54

5.6 Jorge Posada

103

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 17:59

Alright, i'm gonna go watch some luge. left my pick with EH.

104

tduncan
ID: 47616279
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 18:15

5.7 Ryan Klesko

105

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 18:33

5.8 Kerry Wood

106

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 18:40

Just a little side note here. Since we're all in now leaguemates feel free to call me "eh" or "cEHp" no need for formalities gentlemen....it'll save you precious typing time allowing more time for research.

I'd also like to take Dan's "best draft" crown from him.

Thanx

107

Chuck
ID: 56437111
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 18:40

I'm headed out and will be back in about 2-3 hours or so. I may have a chance to check in. I would leave picks, but I haven't made up my mind at all yet. See y'all in a bit.

108

sledge
ID: 16111322
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 18:51

Well guys. The time has come again. 24hours out for me. I left a list of 15 players with the wife and she'll check in tonite and tomorrow to see if I'm up. If my 15 players get taken before I get back then I guess we'll be stuck. At the current rate I shouldn't pick until Tuesday anyway.

109

wazaaap_guy
ID: 201151019
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 19:18

Nice, the guy I was trying to trade up to get, 5.9 Roy Oswalt is still here.

110

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 19:44

definently a great pick, probably the best pitcher available. Looks like we'll have a run of picks w/ wiggs, blockaa, and mikel.

111

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:01

I find it quite unsettling that this draft is being made into a league since the title of the thread(s) has been MOCK DRAFT.

How can you have a draft for a league when the posistions guidelines haven't even been set. I joined since I wanted to MOCK DRAT, i said that at the very beginning. I wish to continue to draft a MOCK DRAFT, but will not be competeing in any type of league unless we re-draft once rules and posistions requirements have been set in stone.

sorry if this causes any convienences for you guys.

112

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:05

I agree Strike, let's settle them right now.

113

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:07

I propose
8 pitchers (any type)
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 3B
1 SS
4 OF
1 Utility/DH
5 bench
You can disagree w/ me, but I would like to start to get somewhere on setting the requirements in stone, ok?

114

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:09

Question SO, in the first 5 rounds do position requirements mean anything??

You know what positions you need and the only difference you might come across is that we will have a DH that can be any position rather then a utility OF.

I say UOF because the there is a UIF. With the DH, you could have 6 IF and only 3 OF. The 4 and 4 split is better.

115

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:17

In the first five rounds they don't mean that much. However, the posistion requirements are always in the back of my mind and i take into account with all of my picks except the first one.

There has been talk about keeper, non-keeper, now that would make a difference in picking a Larry Walker and an Adam Dunn (just an example). I would like to just finish this draft as a mock draft, and then have a REAL draft once the rules are set in stone.

116

wazaaap_guy
ID: 201151019
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:20

its stupid redrafting with the same managers, this allows everyone to know every one elses trends and drafting strategies. on top of that, if this draft wasnt going to count I would put no thought in my picks, especially in the later rounds, because I wouldnt want anyone to know my sleepers and risky picks. we've only gone through 5 rounds and there were position ideas floating around before we started drafting. keeper league is one thing, i dont know if we should make it that because that would definitely effect who people picked. but just making it a league probably wouldnt effect peoples decisions all too much. i could be wrong, but i think most people want to keep this a league after putting in all this time and effort. i know i do.

117

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:27

Let's just make this a draft for the 2002 season, that sound okay? Anyone ready to decide on positioning? I offered an idea in post 113.

118

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:27

non-keeper, fantasy point.

119

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:35

8 pitchers
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 3B
1 SS
1 Utl
4 OF

would this be the starting lineup? if so, 18 is a rather large number. and if it is, then we need to go 25 round to allow a bench of 7.

120

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:38

Sounds good to me
8 pitchers (SPs/RPs in any combination)
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 3B
1 SS
4 OF
1 Utility
7 bench
Is this okay with everyone?

121

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:49

what are the category requirements for batting average, WHIP, and ERA

what the minimum AB and IP?

122

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:53

why not just run it on Sandbox and use their limits? or teh same way we did it in our league last year SO.

123

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:55

5.10 Trevor Hoffman

124

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:58

EH, i was in the CBS league last year. Won that one :P

Nice pick wiggs!

125

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:59

thanks, i feel like i just solidified my team. I have 2 strong bats, and 2 possible 20 game winners and one of the best closers in the game. My team is starting to shape up

126

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:01

wiggs, wanna chat on aim? I don't remember your screen name.

127

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:03

everyone agree on #120 position requirements though? I think we need at least a 2/3 majority.

128

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:08

break down is fine by me

129

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:10

Ok, 6 votes will clinch it then.

130

Strike One
ID: 356372421
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:20

2/3 of 12 is 8 :P

131

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:21

Strike I know I know!! wiggs and I voted for yes so that left 6! Sorry, guess I should have specified better! ;-)

132

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:27

not fp, i thought we were doing 5x5.

133

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:30

5 X 5 Rotisserie right?

134

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:32

yes

135

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:32

sorry, 5 x 5 was specified in the original thread. Makes Kendall an even better pick! Knowing that I'll make my next picks accordingly.

136

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:33

will some one explain to me what 5X5 is?

137

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:35

5 batting and pitching categories. batting: runs, hr, rbi, sb, avg pitching: w, era, whip, k, saves. you get points based on how well your team is doing in each category. if all your players combined have 200 hrs and that is the most in the league, you get 12 points for that category. if you have the fewest saves in the league, you get 1 point for saves. the more points, the better.

138

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:42

ok, thanks wassup, i understood the roto thing, but i didnt know the categories. So like 2B, 3B, TB and stuff like that means nothing?

140

wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:51

yep wiggs, mean nothing.

141

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:53

5.11 Rich Aurilia

143

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 21:59

blockaa, are you going to be around for alittle while?

144

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:00

now the utility spot is an infielder right.

an extra OF (4 OFs) and an extra infielder (UIF).

145

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:01

Probably not too long . . . why?

146

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:03

because mikel will probably be back soon and after he picks then you and I can go and we will be moving right along nicely

147

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:05

Have you talked to Mikel? When do you expect him back? I'd like to make my pick tonight because I may be out until tomorrow afternoon.

148

Mikel
ID: 33156417
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:07

I'm here. I'll pick in 2 mins.

149

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:08

havent talked to mikel, but he said he was going to watch the all star game, he is usually around though.

Blockaa- If you have to go and you want to send me your picks i will post for you. i dont know if you are into sending your pick or not.
Peace

150

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:08

cool, mikel is here.

151

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:08

mikel will pick!

152

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:11

Mikel . . . pick . . . I gots to go watch 'The Practice'

153

Mikel
ID: 33156417
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:24

5.12 Larry Walker THE BEST PLAYER ON THE BLOCK STILL

6.1 Darryl Kile I GUESS its time to take a pitcher

154

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:24

both are solid picks. nice job mikel

155

CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:27

well, everyone can take a 30 minute breather...blockaa will be back at 11 EST

156

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:29

oh man, was hoping he could pick, cause i am ready

157

Khahan
ID: 567232217
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:42

I'm back tomorrow morning. From the looks of you guys talking, it may very well be back to my pick. I start work around 7:30 am EST.
I'm all for making this a league. I'll throw my vote in for the rules put forth in 113.

158

wiggs
ID: 810271513
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:52

hey guys, just so you know i am on my computer all the time so if anyone is going to be away and they want me to make a pick for them send your queue to
wiggs1766@hotmail.com
and i will put it in for you.
Peace
Wiggs

159

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:09

I decided to stop in for a last post or two. We need 5 more votes for the 113 proposal

160

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:10

I decided to stop in for a last post or two. We need 5 more votes for the 113 proposal

161

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:11

Mr. Nice Guy-
fine by me . . . the Util/DH must be either a C, 1B, 2B, 3B, or SS . . .

162

Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:16

yeah, that's how it will be.

163

blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:21

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