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Posted by: ChicagoTRS - Sustainer [300252621] Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 03:48
Chuck
Chuck Khahan wazaaap_guy wiggs Rabid Chicken ChicagoTRS Mr. Nice Guy Rogues Strikers Knightmare Dylan
1 Alex Rodriguez Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson Todd Helton Mike Piazza Sammy Sosa Barry Bonds Curt Schilling Vladimir Guererro Ichiro Suzuki
2 Mike Mussina Jeff Bagwell Ivan Rodriquez Greg Maddux Manny Ramirez Derek Jeter Roberto Alomar Albert Pujols Chipper Jones Jason Giambi
3 Mariano Riviera Jeff Kent Nomar Garciapara Tim Hudson Matt Morris Kevin Brown Luis Gonzalez Shawn Green Javier Vazquez Troy Glaus
4 Gary Sheffield Roger Clemens Lance Berkman Magglio Ordonez Juan Gonzalez Ken Griffey Jr Freddy Garcia Barry Zito Bobby Abreu Miguel Tejada
5 Carlos Delgado Larry Walker Roy Oswalt Trevor Hoffman Mark Mulder Kerry Wood Rafeal Palmiero Phil Nevin Mike Sweeny Daryl Kile
6 Alfonso Soriano Rich Aurilia Jason Kendall Brett Boone Scott Rolen Ryan Klesko Kazuhiro Sasaki J.D. Drew Rob Nen Brian Giles
7 Al Leiter Paul Loduca Keith Foulke Jorge Posada Moises Alou Eric Chavez Jon Lieber Armando Benitez Jimmy Rollins Chan Ho Park
8 Corey Koskie Frank Catalonotto Aramis Ramirez Andrew Jones Troy Percival Jason Isringhausen Jeff Cirillo Billy Wagner Mark Buehrle Bernie Williams
9 Adam Dunn Ugueth Urbina Billy Koch Juan Pierre Richie Sexson Craig Biggio Christian Guzman Frank Thomas Cliff Floyd Ray Durham
10 Edgardo Alfonzo Trot Nixon Shannon Stewart Russ Ortiz Bartolo Colon Carlos Beltran Roger Cedeno Josh Beckett Wade Miller John Smoltz
11 Jim Edmonds Juan Uribe Luis Castillo Adrian Beltre Tom Glavine Jim Thome Andy Pettite Jose Vidro Jose Ortiz Jamie Moyer
12 Bob Wickman Bud Smith Eric Milton Preston Wilson Matt Anderson Hideo Nomo Johnny Damon Jose Cruz John Burkett Joe Mays
13 Brad Radke James Baldwin Ryan Dempster Brad Penny Darin Erstad C.C.Sabathia Robert Person Tom Gordon Kelvim Escobar Sean Casey
14 Mo Vaughn Aaron
Boone		 Paul
Konerko		 Jose Mesa Orlando
Cabrera		 Mike Cameron Cory Lidle Rafael Furcal Toby Hall Jeff Weaver
15 Raul
Mondesi		 Woody
Williams		 Richard Hidalgo Tony Womack Edgar Martinez Jeff Zimmerman Antonio Alfonseca Byung-Hyun Kim Aaron Sele Javy Lopez
16 Mike Lieberthal Jason Varitek Randy Wolf Kevin Millwood Roy Halladay Robert Fick Charles Johnson Rick Ankiel Garett Anderson Jermaine Dye
17 Danny Graves Bobby Higginson Carlos Pena Tony Armas Jr Fernando Vina Matt Lawton John Olerud Morgan Ensberg Jarrod Washburn Jeromy Burnitz
18                   Kazuisha Ishii
Catcher 1st Baseman 2nd Baseman Shortstop 3rd Baseman Outfielder Starting Pitcher Relief Pitcher
11 16 11 11 12 40 49 21
1ChicagoTRS
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 03:49 		Team Rosters

Team Rosters - Draft 3

Chuck Khahan wazaaap_guy wiggs Rabid Chicken ChicagoTRS Mr. Nice Guy Rogues Strikers Knightmare Dylan
C Mike Lieberthal Paul LoDuca Ivan Rodriquez Jorge Posada Mike Piazza Robert Fick Charles Johnson Toby Hall Javy Lopez
   
1B Carlos Delgado Jeff Bagwell Paul Konerko Todd Helton Richie Sexson Ryan Klesko Rafael Palmiero Frank Thomas Mike Sweeney Jason Giambi
2B Alfonso Soriano Jeff Kent Luis Castillo Brett Boone Fernando Vina Craig Biggio Roberto Alomar Jose Vidro Jose Ortiz Ray Durham
 
SS Alex Rodriguez Rich Aurilia Nomar Garciapara Tony Womack Orlando Cabrera Derek Jeter Christian Guzman Rafael Furcal Jimmy Rollins Miguel Tejada
3B Corey Koskie Aaron Boone Aramis Ramirez Adrian Beltre Scott Rolen Eric Chavez Jeff Cirillo Albert Pujols Chipper Jones Troy Glaus
   
IF Edgardo Alfonzo Juan Uribe Carlos Pena   Edgar Martinez Jim Thome John Olerud Phil Nevin   Sean Casey
F Gary Sheffield Larry Walker Lance Berkman Magglio Ordonez Manny Ramirez Sammy Sosa Barry Bonds Shawn Green Vladimir Guererro Ichiro Suzuki
OF Adam Dunn Trot Nixon Shannon Stewart Andrew Jones Juan Gonzalez Ken Griffey Jr Luis Gonzalez J.D. Drew Bobby Abreu Brian Giles
OF Jim Edmonds Frank Catalanotto Richard Hidalgo Juan Pierre Moises Alou Carlos Beltran Roger Cedeno Jose Cruz Cliff Floyd Bernie Williams
Bobby Higginson
OF Raul Mondesi Jason Kendall Preston Wilson Darin Erstad Mike Cameron Johnny Damon   Garett Anderson  Jermaine Dye
 
B Mo Vaughn Jason Varitek   Matt Lawton Morgan Ensburg   Jeremy Burnitz
B    
B
B
B
B
B
P Mike Mussina Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson Greg Maddux Matt Morris Kevin Brown Freddy Garcia Curt Schilling Javier Vazquez Daryl Kile
P Al Leiter Roger Clemens Roy Oswalt Tim Hudson Mark Mulder Kerry Wood Jon Lieber Barry Zito Mark Buehrle Chan Ho Park
P Brad Radke Bud Smith Eric Milton Russ Ortiz Bartolo Colon Hideo Nomo Andy Pettite Josh Beckett Wade Miller Jamie Moyer
P James Baldwin Ryan Dempster Brad Penny Tom Glavine C.C.Sabathia Robert Person Rick Ankiel John Burkett Joe Mays
P Woody Williams Randy Wolf Kevin Millwood Roy Halladay Cory Lidle Byung-Hyun Kim Aaron Sele Jeff Weaver
P Danny Graves Tony Armas Jr. Tom Gordon Jarrod Washburn Kazuhisa Ishii
P Bob Wickman Billy Koch Jose Mesa Matt Anderson Jeff Zimmerman Antonio Alfonseca Armando Benitez Kelvim Escobar
P Mariano Rivera Ugueth Urbina Keith Foulke Trevor Hoffman Troy Percival Jason Isringhausen Kazuhiro Sasaki Billy Wagner Rob Nen John Smoltz
2ChicagoTRS
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      ID: 300252621
      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 03:51 		Knightmare on the clock...7 more rounds to go...
3Rogue's Strikers
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 04:06 		Hey TRS, you can throw Pujols in the OF, move Nevin to 3rd, and put Ensburg at IF for now. Thanks for doing the graphs btw. :)
4Mr. Nice Guy
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 13:03 		Knightmare takes 18.3 Tony "The Tiger" Clark
5Rogue's Strikers
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 15:55 		Sorry for holding things up guys. I'll take 18.4 Brandon Duckworth
6Mr. Nice Guy
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 17:48 		Will pick within the next 10 minutes
7Chuck
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 17:55 		Knightmare is 18.2
Rogue is 18.3
8Mr. Nice Guy
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 18:03 		18.4 Ben Sheets
11ChicagoTRS
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 18:07 		18.5 Jason Schmidt
12Rabid Chickens @home
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 19:20 		18.6 Chris Carpenter
13Khahan
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      Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 22:28 		Ok, I'm out of here for the night. I'll be back around 7:30A EST tomorrow morning. Good picking to all for the rest of the night.
14wiggs
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 00:58 		18.7 Eric Young
15wazaaap_guy
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 10:16 		18.8 Scott Strickland
16Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 10:31 		18.9 Paul Quantrill
17Chuck
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 11:54 		I'm here (just got out of class) and will pick shortly
19Rabid Chickens
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:05 		Chuck - Cruz was already picked by Rogue in round 12
20Chuck
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:06 		I thought he should have been taken by now... ;-)
21ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:06 		Chuck...Jose Cruz was already picked by Rogue in the 12th round...
22Chuck
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:11 		Take #2 (I thought Rogue took Jose Cruz, not Jose Cruz, Jr. Yeah, that's it!!). I still want a Jose on my team, though!

18.10 Pedro Astacio
19.1 Jose Valentin
23Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:17 		Finish off my outfield with 19.2 Kenny Lofton
Try to get some speed out there.
I'm hoping he'll get more chances to run the bases and 'produce' runs this year since he doesn't a massive slugging lineup around him.
24ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:32 		Khahan...did you know the only place Frank Catalonotto qualifys for is outfield...if we stick with 15 games to qualify at a position.

Is 15 games the qualifier or should it be 10 games?
25Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:35 		Really? I thought he started a good number at 2nd base and SS last season....
26ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:40 		for Catalanotto:

93 at OF
13 at 2b
11 at 3b
5 at 1b

since he has so many games at infield positions maybe he would qualify as the extra infielder position/utility?
27Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:48 		That is actually what I had in mind when I picked him was my infield utility man. At this point in the game, it does not make much difference (though for future rounds it may affect who I pick). So if we could please get some clarification, I'd appreciate it.
I chose him as IF Utility because on most roto sites he was listed at 3rd, 2nd and 1st base as well as OF.
If the general consensus is that he should not qualify even for IF utility, please let me know as it WILL affect my next few picks.
For the record, my intent was Catty at IF utility and Uribe as a bench person.
28Chuck
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:49 		IMO: He can qualify for utility IF if we stick w/ the 15 game rule b/c he has played 15 games in the IF, but can't qualify for any of the other positions until he plays them 15 times this year. I'm no expert on this, but that makes sense.

Unless... do games from last year get added to games from this year? I.E. if Catalanotto plays 2 more games at 2B, does that total 15? or does he have to play 15 in one season to qualify?
29Chuck
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:51 		Anyway, I should be safe w/ picks for awhile. I'll be back in a few hours (after class). I see no need to leave picks since I prob. won't be picking until this evening anyway.
30ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 12:57 		I agree I think he should qualify as the utility position but none of the infield positions on their own.

IMO it takes 15 games in a season to qualify for a new position...not added to the previous year.
31ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 13:00 		Questions: What are the rules regarding pitching and moving pitchers on and off your bench? Can you rotate pitchers freely? Doesn't seem like you should be able to or you would have huge rotations? How does pitching work in 5x5? How does the bench work? Can you move players on and off the bench daily?
32CanEHdian Pride
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 13:10 		normally there are inning limits in roto leagues. Pitching is like 1000 innings...not sure of the position player inning breakdown.

Once your innings are gone, you get 0 points from that position.
33Dylan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 13:41 		I'll be here till about 4:30 est. then I will be out till about 10:00...hopefully i can get my picks in by then..
34wazaaap_guy
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 16:29 		19.3 Pat Burrell
35Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:02 		Most 5x5 leagues have a 1300 inning pitching cap, and 162 games at each position. (162x4 for the OF of course.) You can rotate pitchers and hitters whenever you want, but if you have a massive staff you'll be out of innings by July, and you'll just be wasting starts on lesser quality guys instead of getting your studs' starts in the 2nd half.

The general consesus with 1300 innings is that its safe to start 5 SP's and about 3 3/4 RP's.
36Mattinglyinthehall
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:14 		Please explain "starting" players Your teams have 8 pitchers. If its safe to start 5 SP's and about 3 3/4 RP's, then how are all you players not always starting? How often do you change who your starters are and when are points awarded... daily, weekly, at season's end?
37Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:21 		You can change your pitchers/hitters whenever you want, but your roster for the next day is frozen at midnight Pacific Time. (At least it was midnight last year, that may be changed this year.)

Points are awarded each day, based on who you have in your lineup/rotation. Bench players get no points.

The principal of 'leaving your 8 pitchers in your lineup for the whole year' isn't all that great. Think of it like in smallworld. Its dumb not to have RJ for each start, but did you keep Chan Ho Park when he was going to Coors? Using 7 or 8 SP's, and trying to get only their best starts, is the key of rotating SP spots. In the end those 7 or 8 SP's will give you 5 SP's worth of starts. Of course, if you have 5 studs in your rotation it may be wise never to move them off your roster. You get the idea.
38Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:33 		Sorry if I'm being dense, I just want to make sure I understand this.
Opening day. I submit my line up as follows:
C LoDuca
1st Bagwell
2nd Kent
3rd Boone
SS Aurilia
OF Walker
OF Nixon
OF Lofton
OF Higginson
DH/Utility Catalanotto
Pitchers: I only put on Pedro and Clemens as starters but throw in Urbina for the save
Day 2 San Fran does not play so I substitute Uribe for Aurilia and whoever else I pick that qualifies for Jeff Kent.
I take Pedro and Clemens off and put on Williams and leave Urbina.
So for days 1 and 2 I get scored for LoDuca, Bagwell, Boone, Catalonotto, Walker, Higginson, Nixon, Lofton and Urbina
For Day 1 only I get scored for Aurilia, Kent, Clemens and Pedro.
And for Day 2 only I get scored for Uribe, Williams and my backup 2nd base?
One other question, are we worrying about order in the lineup? Submitting a leadoff, 2nd, cleanup etc, or just submitting who we want?
39ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:43 		You can leave pitchers in your lineup on days they don't pitch and it does not hurt you one way or the other. No innings pitched equal nothing.

For hitters you only get 162 games per position so you might not want to substitute Uribe for Aurilia if you think Aurilia is going to play all 162 games. If Aurilia is facing Randy Johnson then you might want to consider Uribe instead of Aurilia for a day...
40Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 17:52 		Thanks Chi-man. I got it now. One last 'stupid' question.
Any positional player aside from outfield can qualify for infield utility, right? So I can start Kent at 1st base 1 day and Bagwell at the Utility spot that day?
But just because I 'picked' somebody to be my utility man does not mean I can use him at any infield position, right?
41ChicagoTRS
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 18:06 		Only requirement for utility man is he qualifies for either 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, C or has played +15 games in a combination of those positions. What you say in post #40 is correct. Can move a guy to utility one day and then back to a normal position the next day.
42wazaaap_guy
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:11 		rogue's strikers, are you sure about that inning limit? im pretty sure yahoo does 1000 ip for pitchers. 1300 kind of seems like a lot to me.
43Mattinglyinthehall
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:16 		Using 7 or 8 SP's, and trying to get only their best starts, is the key of rotating SP spots.
So where do I move them to on days when when I don't want them in my lineup?
44Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:29 		The inning cap was 1250 actually. 1300 was the private league I was in. The two public leagues I joined had it at 1250. In any case, we can set it to whatever we want, although 1000 is a small amount. 5 SP's take 200 IP each, and that leaves no room for a pen.

My vote would be to use whatever the yahoo default is.
45Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:31 		MITH, they would go on your bench. We have 7 bench spots on our teams. I usually have 3 or 4 backup hitters, and 3 or 4 pitchers on the bench that I rotate in whenever I like their matchups. (Or if a pitcher is really struggling, put him on the bench until he sorts out his problems, etc.)
46Mattinglyinthehall
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:37 		Gotcha. Thanks.
47Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 19:54 		MITH, they would go on your bench. We have 7 bench spots on our teams. I usually have 3 or 4 backup hitters, and 3 or 4 pitchers on the bench that I rotate in whenever I like their matchups. (Or if a pitcher is really struggling, put him on the bench until he sorts out his problems, etc.)
Ok, so if I drop a pitcher off of my roster, he takes up a bench spot and I have to a hitter to take his place?
48Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 20:10 		Nope. You CAN start a C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, 4 OF's and a Util IF, but you don't have to. You CAN start 8 pitchers, but you don't have to. In all, you have 25 roster spots. You can start only a catcher, one pitcher, and have 23 guys on your bench. Kinda stupid, but you can do it. ;) It doesn't make alot of sense not to have someone in each spot though, which is why I said you have 7 bench spots. In truth, you have 25 bench spots, and certain positions to fill.

You guys will definitely understand when we set things up on yahoo. Yahoo opens on Thursday, and I'm sure we'll have our league setup well before the season starts, so we can show you guys how things work.
49Khahan
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      Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 20:17 		Ok thanks RS. BTW, I just got AIM from the mock 3 draft. If anybody here has an AIM account, my screen name there is Khahan Gunn. I could use some help getting that started. I can't seem to find anybody I'm looking for.
50Rabid Chickens @home
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 08:42 		Is Wiggs around? I saw he picked in the other draft last night, but not this one
51ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 09:02 		We have really stalled...at this rate these last 5 rounds are going to take a month. If we can make one last push we can finish this thing.

I say if someone does not show up to pick for 12 hours we just skip them and they can make up their pick whenever they show. Unless the person leaves prior warning and then they should probably leave a one or two man queue anyway...

Wiggs is on the clock
52ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 09:08 		really 12 hours may be too long...i am all for 4 hours without notice and you get skipped. Not counting the night...picking hours 8am-12pm
53Rabid Chickens
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 09:36 		Can I send a 2 person que to someone this morning. I will be out of the office from about 9 till 4:30 (central) or so with probably checking in at lunch. That will be enough to get me through my next pick, and then I will be around all night to make some more picks. Let me know who I can send it to
54ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 09:48 		Rabid...why don't you post it in the trade thread...noone will go there until your pick. or if you prefer you can email me...
55Dylan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 10:17 		I left a message for wiggs in the other thread last night....
56Rabid Chickens
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 10:21 		I posted my pick in the trade thread. I left 2 choices. I will be back around 5 central and will make my 20th round pick then
57wiggs
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:02 		19.4 Rick Reed
58wiggs
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:05 		sorry guys, i was here last night and for some reason i didnt see i was up. As for the 4 hour thing. I dont think that is right. Everyone has stuff that they have to do. I am here most of the time, but due to the fact that i had to go visit my grandfather in the hospital you want to skip my pick. That isnt right. If you look back on all my other picks they all together probably dont equal 4 hours.
59ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:11 		question: do DHs automatically qualify for first base and infield utility? Someone like Edger Martinez played only one game at 1B last year. Should he qualify at 1B or can he only be a utility player?
60Khahan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:12 		4 hours is a little harsh. I was trying to log in all morning, but work was having internet problems. Personally, I think if we just ask everybody to make a concerted effort to remember that he has 11 other people waiting and depending on him to choose we'll be fine.
Sometimes RL events will hold us up and we'd have no control over them. I'd rather just go on the honor system and ask everybody to post a notice if they know theywill be gone for an extended period of time.
61ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:13 		wiggs...i think as long as you give us some warning and say...i won't be around until tomorrow it at least gives everyone an idea of when to show back up. as is if you are next in line like rabid and me we have to check every hour in case you made your pick. just give us some warning if it is going to be 4 hours plus...
62ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:14 		Rabid Chickens picks...

19.5 Chad Fox
63wiggs
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:16 		chicago, i understand what you are saying. And most of the time i am good about those things, accepting or sending out a queue. The problem was i picked before i left and usually it takes a full day to get back. I was here last night, but i forsome reason didnt see that wasaap had picked. I apologize
64ChicagoTRS
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:20 		i pick...

19.6 Roberto Hernandez
65ChicagoTRS
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      ID: 5031911
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:23 		I will do new charts tonight...

Mr Nice Guy on the clock....
66Khahan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:41 		Ok, I'm here until about 4 o'clock, but I teach tonight so won't be able to log in. Is there somebody who will be here this evening I can send a que to? Preferably somebody at the bottom of the draft order so I can send in 2 picks.
67Dylan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:56 		Yeah wiggs is usually always on the money with his picks. I can see how being in 3 drafts can delay picks, but wiggs remember, this is the more important draft :)
68wiggs
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 12:59 		dylan, i understand that. This is definately the best draft!
69Dylan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 13:21 		Chicago post 59, Thats a good question. I think that the majority of the people would probably want to be able to use them at either 1st base or Util. But maybe we could go with the consensus on that one.
70Mr. Nice Guy
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 13:45 		I'll pick 19.7 Sean Burroughs
71Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 13:52 		I'm here, but I have to run out for about 20 minutes. I'll pick then. Sorry guys. :(

One quick thing, Edgar will only be able to play at Util. That is, if we use Yahoo. You can't change a player's eligibility on Yahoo. (At least not last year, maybe you can this year.)
72Khahan
      ID: 12432113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:17 		Ok, here's something we may need to consider since we are using yahoo...with rookies who have no playing time, how will they be qualified? should we even be able to choose them yet?
73ChicagoTRS
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      ID: 5031911
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:35 		With rookies...I guess as long as you fill a spot on the bench with them we will be ok. They should qualify for their main position relatively quickly once they start playing and if they don't play noone will stick them in the lineup anyway.
74Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:37 		19.8 Carlos Hernandez
75Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:39 		Yahoo usually has the major rookies already in their player pool, and they add others quickly enough. Hows this: If you draft a player here and it turns out he's not in the player pool yet, you keep one bench spot available and pick up said player when he's added.
76Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:40 		Oh wait, I get what you mean. Well, the rookie will be available at whatever position yahoo decides he shoud be available at. They're usually good at that too. (Maybe they look at minor league position history, I dunno.)
77juxtapoz15
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 14:53 		I'm responding to the post in #59.... I do know that if you use Yahoo players like Edgar Martinez you can only use as a Util player... I know this because I had Oakland's DH last year (I believe it was Ortiz) and they wouldnt let me put him anywhere besides Util.... I did have to wait for him to play 15 games at a position b4 I could use him anywhere else... maybe Ortiz's situation is different, but who knows.... hope that helps
78Khahan
      ID: 12432113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 15:24 		Is there somebody I can email my que to? I leave in 30 mins and won't back until tomorrow at 7:30 am est
79ChicagoTRS
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      ID: 5031911
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 15:41 		email me at ChicagoTRS@aol.com...i won't even look at your mail until I make my next pick...
80Dylan
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 16:04 		Goin out, be back in a bit.
81Knightmare
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      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:10 		19.9 Fred "The Crime Dog" McGriff
Help me take a bite out of crime!
82Chuck
      ID: 501351722
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:14 		I am here, but I need to update my queue. I'll pick pretty soon, but you know how important these picks are... ;-)
83wiggs
      ID: 1911252811
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:16 		chuck, i think it is dylans pick, you have a while to wait.
84Dylan
      ID: 55432121
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:23 		19.10 Mike Lowell

and...

20.1 Mike Hampton
he pitches where?
85Chuck
      ID: 501351722
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:25 		That is, I can pick if it gets back to me... sorry to not clarify that. ;-)
87Chuck
      ID: 501351722
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:26 		It's been a busy long day... I had a Theology test, and that fries my brain... at least I felt like it should be my pick by now... I last picked yesterday noon.
88Knightmare
      ID: 74342318
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:27 		20.2 Ellis Burks
89Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 521561914
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 17:53 		20.3 Ramon Hernandez
90Mr. Nice Guy
      ID: 421124113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:02 		give me a few minutes
91Mr. Nice Guy
      ID: 421124113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:10 		20.4 A.J. Burnett
92Dylan
      ID: 55432121
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:14 		Rogue post 48, just wondering how you knew when yahoo was opening their baseball site on Thursday. When I emailed them, the were not sure when they would be opening.
93Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 521561914
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:22 		Check out their Help page.

That doesn't mean they wont be late anyway, but thats what they promised.
94Dylan
      ID: 55432121
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:28 		ah, thanks Rogue's. Don't know why they didn't point me to this.
95Chuck
      ID: 501351722
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 18:46 		I'll leave a queue if I have to, but it would be nice to get some more picks done in the next 30 minutes or so before I have to go out...
96Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 521561914
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:20 		That page was actually hard to find, and there wasn't a link to it. (I replaced basketball with baseball to see what I would get, and found that page.) So if they're saying they're not sure, and if the page didn't have a link, they're probably going to be delayed by a bit.

We'll find out soon enough.
97Chuck
      ID: 501351722
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:28 		Here are my next 2 picks:


Joel Pineiro
Carlos Lee
98ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:34 		20.5 Juan Cruz
99ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:40 		sorry for the delay...caught me on my way home from work...Khahan never did send me a queue so once we get to Khahan we are probably done until morning.

Good work today, the draft is moving again...

I will update all of the charts and start a new thread after everyone picks tonight.
100wiggs
      ID: 1911252811
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:42 		is rabid around?
101ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:46 		rabid did leave another pick in the trade thread...not sure if he wanted us to make the 20th round pick for him...the player is still available?
102ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:48 		actually sounds like he wants to make his own pick in the 20th round...better wait...it says he will be around tonight after 5.
103Rabid Chickens @home
      ID: 367181310
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:55 		Just got home from work

20.6 Dimitri Young
104wiggs
      ID: 1911252811
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:21 		20.7 Carl Everett.
Is there a reason no one took him before?
105Mr. Nice Guy
      ID: 421124113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:28 		Is it okay to draft someone who isn't in the majors yet but will likely be called up by the middle of the season?
106ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:48 		I think it is fine to take prospects...but you can always fill your bench with a major leaguer now and then release him to pick up the prospect when he gets called up. Then again someone may beat you to him or draft him.

Everett...I don't see any reason no one drafted him before...he was at the top of my list of outfielders remaining.

Dimitri...was at the top of my utility guys left. He is a nice pick up since he qualifies for 1B, 3B, OF, UT...
107wazaaap_guy
      ID: 5178246
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 21:19 		20.8 Carlos Lee
108Chuck @ church
      ID: 32113360
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:39 		OK, I see one of my 2 picks has been taken. I'll replace him with:

Brian Jordan
109Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:43 		Hey, I'm actually here. I'm researching my pick now.
110Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:49 		Can't believe he's still out there. I'm hoping this guy gets some starts this year and proves the promise he showed for Seattle was no fluke.
20.9 Joel Piniero
111Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:52 		I see in 108 Chuck says he wants Brian Jordan to end round 20. Anybody have the rest of his que he mentions?
112Chuck @ church
      ID: 32113360
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:56 		Ummm... my other guy was Pineiro... stink

(Post #97)

Hold on... I'll try to figure this out shortly.
113Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:59 		Sorry man. I didn't even see it. I logged in, looked at my que, scanned for bold text to see if the names were taken and took my first pitcher. Figured after him, its bench from here on out.
114Chuck @ church
      ID: 32113360
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:59 		It's amazing how my queue makes it to the last 2 picks and both get chosen... oi vey!

Well, I hate to make this w/o research, but I don't want to hold you guys up too much. I already picked him for my other team, and I think he is still out there in this draft:

21.1 Dustin Hermanson
115Chuck @ church
      ID: 32113360
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:02 		Khahan... no problem... I think he was the best choice out there. I thought Lee had a good chance to slide to me, though. Oh well, you win some and lose some.

I wanted to just get my pitcher this round as well and then I can go back to the "best player available strategy."

Everett was my back-up choice. I'm glad I didn't "have" to pick him-- didn't want to ruin my clubhouse commraderee... errr... fellowship ;-)
116Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:08 		Good point on Everett, Chuck. I avoided him for the same reasons.
That and my Boston loyalty had to play some part in this. ;)
I haven't seen him yet and wouldn't mind having a back up to first base. With Grace getting old I think 21.2 Erubiel Durazo may see more significant playing time this year. Anybody know if he qualifies for another position, too?
117ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:21 		Durazo is 1B/Util only...has a few games in the OF but not enough to qualify...
118Mr. Nice Guy
      ID: 421124113
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:33 		May I politely request another breakdown of the draft please, sorry to be so demanding!
119ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:34 		Rogues...just some info...not sure but Frank Thomas might only qualify as Utility? Only had a few games at 1B last year...then again he only played like 20 games total. Not sure what Yahoo does in that case...maybe they take the previous year into account and he would qualify at 1B? You probably know better than anyone...just thought I would bring it up in case.
120ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:35 		MNG...good timing....I am in the process of updating the tables right now.
121ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 300252621
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 23:44 		Started a new thread...for round 21.

Updated the draft tables...

wazaap is on the clock...
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