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Subject: WPFB Discussion Thread
Posted by: blockaa
- Donor [550321519] Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 15:44
Let's relegate all discussions/comments on the league/draft to this thread . . . rather than cluttering up the draft thread.
. . .....Allan
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| 1 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 16:07
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At least ten games must have been played at a certain position last season to make a player eligible at that position this season. Also, ten games must be played at a new position this season to make a player eligible at that new position. Players will only qualify if they meet either last year's or this year's requirements.
At the beginning of the season, players who did not play ten games last year at any position will only be eligible at the position where they played the most games.
For players who didn't play at all last year or this year (including rookies), we will go according to this link.
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| 2 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 18:13
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I'll be gone for awhile tonight approximately from 6:30-10 ET maybe later.
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| 3 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 18:13
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Make that 7:30-10.
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| 4 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 18:51
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I posted the draft results (so far) on our league page. I will do my best to update a few times each round. I don't know if any of you have noticed, but our league has its own live chat. Perhaps we could schedule a time . . . .
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| 5 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 19:14
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Considering the draft doesn't start (officially) for 45 mins from now, I'd say we are doing well.
blockaa, great job w/ the website and getting all this organized in less than 2 weeks!
I talked to CCRider by phone not long ago. He'll be making his pick shortly. I think he is trying to decide on Carlos Baerga or BJ Surhoff.
rfs ®
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| 6 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 19:23
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Here, Here RFS.
I think we should all give a big tip of the hat to Blockaa for putting together such a great league. If the early organization is any indication of how the league will be run I think we are all in for a great time for years to come. I have to go into work from 9-11pm EST (someone covered 2 hours for me early today so I could coach so I'm covering the last 2 of their shift). If it gets to me I'll be picking around 11: 30 EST.
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| 7 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 21:54
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blockaa, excellent job getting everything together.
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| 8 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 3225227
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 22:09
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Whew, these picks are tough. Another tough descision for some of us will be choosing our franchise player...
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| 9 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 3225227
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 22:13
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Guys, I'm sorry to slow things up but I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open. I don't think I'll be awake around 11:30 when CH gets back. I'll be up early in the morning to pick again though.
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| 10 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 22:44
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I tried to get into the chat but it says guest owners aren't allowed in there.
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| 11 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 22:59
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bmd, You need a CBS Sportsline ID first. Then, go to the site as "you" instead of guest.
rfs ®
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| 12 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Sun, Mar 03, 2002, 23:39
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If you need to get a CBS Sportline ID, go here: http://baseball101.fantasy.sportsline.com/mp/splash/register
rfs ®
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| 13 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 172302820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 00:22
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It doesn't look like we're going to get to round 2 tonite, so i'll check in tomorrow morning.
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| 16 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 00:43
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well . . . I appreciate the praise, but you should probably hold the accolades . . . at least until we get a year or two under our belts. The true test will be seeing how smoothly the league runs and transitions from season to season.
As to putting things together in a short period of time . . . I've been thinking about doing a league like this for a long time. Finally got tired of waiting for someone else to put it together and decided to organize it myself. I've had alot of free time the past several weeks due to the fact that I am out of school and without employment. That's about to change . . . as I am now pretty much broke and have to find a job to pay car/health insurance, etc. Things will slow down once the season starts anyway . . . . and it sounds like everyone wants to pitch in and do whatever they can to make the league a success . . .
I hope all of you have been able to access the league page by now. If you are having problems, let me know. I know several people had difficulties logging in to the chatroom . . . you may want to try e-mailing the people at cbssportsline . . they can probably help you out better than I can.
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| 17 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 01:08
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Looks like CanEHdian may have gotten caught up at work. It's getting late, so I'm going to go on to bed. Tomorrow's going to be a busy day . . . go apply for a job, take the GMAT, etc. I'll still try to check in from time to time. Later . . .
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| 18 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 01:45
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Caught up at work? At a video store? Doing what? Watching porn? Nevermind. I'll be back mid-morning to make my picks.
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| 19 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 08:43
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Man, I can't believe you guys zipped through the bottom so fast. I ran into a problem last night because I got home from work around 12 and everyone was asleep and the computer which is normally left on was shut off.
To avoid the wrath of my brother who had to be up at 6 AM today I left the computer silent instead of booting it up and waking him from his slumber. Sorry for holding things up but I hadn't seen a few guys online today and didn't think that the bottom half would move so quickly.
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| 20 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 09:06
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I keep getting this error:
"ERROR:
The system could not determine your team. Please check your home page to make sure you have logged in correctly.
"
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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| 21 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 09:44
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CEP:
#1 Do you have a CBS Sportline ID? If no, sign up for one using the link in post #12. be sure to use the same e-mail that Allan has for you for WPFB. After you have signed up, go to step #2.
#2 If you do have a CBS Sportline ID, go to http://fantasy.sportsline.com/ and log in and it should give you a link that says: rockafellersk- ank
World Premier Fantasy Baseball League right at the top (of course, your team name will be in place of mine ;) )
HTH
rfs ®
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| 22 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:01
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yeah, i tried all of that but nothing is working. My team from last year shows up but nothing from this year. I even tried setting up a new ID but it says my e-mail address already exists.
Did i miss something? Were we supposed to sign into the league or something?
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| 23 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:04
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CEP:
I have the same problem. Registered and logged in but doesn't show me associated with any team. I can see our league page but there's no team.
I'm going to check with CBS Sportsline.
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| 24 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:10
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try this e-mail for a response: support@commissioner.com
good luck,
rfs ®
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| 26 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:41
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Unemployed (and anyone else having trouble)....
You HAVE to login to the league via the email that was sent concerning the league. This will get you in the first time and subsequent visit can be through the above links.
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| 27 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:43
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Thanks CEP. FYI, that link from the original e-mail is http://baseball116.fantasy.sportsline.com/mp/j?league=wpfb&o=a1967a18247931b9
rfs ®
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| 28 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 10:55
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Thanks rfs....thought it might have been a unique link depending on your team....guess not!
I'm in now! Let the games begin.
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| 29 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 11:39
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Commissioner.com told me to look for the league invite e-mail. I don't see one in my inbox. What's the address it was sent from?
I also tried rfs' link above, but it just told me that he had already logged in and to enter his password.
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| 30 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 11:41
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waiting on Rogue's second pick . . . .
I have entered the results of the draft, thus far, into cbssportsline. Click on the link that says "Teams" to view your team . . . . on that page there should be a link to the other individual teams . . as well as a link that says "All Teams" which takes you to a pretty cool graph of everyone who has been drafted.
Please do not attempt to trade anyone . . . or pick up any free agents.
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| 31 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 11:44
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Unemployed: .... look for e-mail......
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:48:30 -0500
from: blockaa@yahoo.com
SUBJECT: World Premier Fantasy Baseball League is on-line!
I can forward my copy of it to you, but maybe CEP is correct and the "code" link from post #27 is unique to my team?
rfs ®
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| 32 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 11:44
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Chung . . . I sent you another invite. The e-mail is sent out by cbssportsline . . . not sure of the exact address.
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| 33 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 12:06
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Off to work, not that I'm drafting again soon. I'll be back around 11pm EST.
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| 34 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 13:13
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I think my e-mail address may be the problem, since I didn't get the invite on 3/2 or today. Could you check if it's sleetandsnow@aol.com?
Thanks blockaa.
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| 35 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 13:18
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Sent you a 3rd invite, Chung. All three have gone to sleetandsnow@aol.com. Try e-mailing cbssportsline. Maybe they'll be able to figure out the problem.
Rogue is taking his time on this one . . .
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| 36 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 3225227
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 13:27
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Just got in from school guys. I woke up late and didn't have time to check in before I left. I'll pick within 10-15 minutes...
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| 37 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 13:58
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To All: I have to be gone from 12;30- 5:30P (MST) I'll leave a short list w/ CCRider to pick for me in rounds 2 & 3 if it gets to my turn.
rfs ®
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| 38 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 13:59
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Just e-mailed commissioner.com again.
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| 39 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 15:49
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Alright . . . I just posted Daniel's pick . . which means that rockafellerskank is up. Chung, let me know when you hear from cbs.
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| 40 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 15:51
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CCRider should have his queue?
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| 41 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 15:55
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is CC around?
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| 42 | rfs @ class
ID: 8259414
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 16:25
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.... hehe! ..was able to sneak in with teacher looking the other way....
rfs ®
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| 43 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 16:26
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I will try to update everyone's team on cbssportsline at least every other round. I'm very happy with the way things are going thus far . . . I suppose in the next few rounds we'll begin to see some clear strategies emerge. A little surprised to see Pujols go so early, but it looks as though he'll emerge as the top 3rd baseman for the next few seasons . . . especially with Chipper moving to the outfield. Code Cracker went with two solid outfielders and rockafellerskank has the top starter and the top reliever.
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| 44 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 16:31
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I'm going for guys that were injured last year so I have an excuse why I lost if they get injured again.
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| 45 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 16:54
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I'm hoping Chipper gets in enough games each season at 3rd to keep him eligible beyond this year.:)
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| 46 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 16:59
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Michael, I was going to get Pudge if you had passed . . . don't mind 'settling' for Maddux, though. That third pick was tough. Maybe just a little high for Lance, but no one else stood out at me . . .
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| 47 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 17:02
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Wow, tough decision. Was between 2 guys hoping one would be picked but neither was. hmmmmm....
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| 48 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 17:51
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blockaa, do you have dgausbin's next pick or do we wait for him?
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| 49 | beastiemiked
ID: 54228417
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 17:53
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I am going to class now then to workout so it'll be about 9ET before I can check again. I might take a quick look at where we are at before I go workout but I'm very doubtful we'll be back to me in an hour.
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| 50 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 17:55
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dgausbun is calling me back in 5 minutes with his pick
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| 51 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 18:37
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unemployed, i think chipper is a very good pick for this year and went pretty late when you got him. however, the move to OF scared me a lot because I don't think he will get the 10 games at 3b this year to qualify there again in 2 years. So you have to ask yourself how good an OF Chipper is compared to the rest of the OFers. Still he should put up solid numbers.
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| 52 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 18:46
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I (obviously) have decided only to draft players from last year's World Series..... now I'm off to look for Scott Brosious!
rfs ®
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| 53 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 18:59
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rockafellerskank - if Brosius is gone you can always go with Matt Williams . . . I hear he is really tearing it up this spring. ;)
I updated the CBS "Teams" page through 3.6. I'll be out for awhile, but will check in later . . . maybe around 10pm EST?
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| 54 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 20:45
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blockaa, have we set pos requirements yet?
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| 55 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 2254414
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:07
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Position requirements per the website:
1 C
1 1B
1 2B
1 SS
1 3B
3 OF
1 DH
8 Pitching slots
If thats what you meant by position requirements that is.
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| 56 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:11
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rogue, thanks, i am having trouble logging into the site.
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| 57 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:12
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how many bench spots does that leave?
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| 58 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:52
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wiggs and anyone else . . . if you don't know position requirements, you definitely need to brush up on the league rules. You must always start at least four starting pitchers and at least two relief pitchers. Each team will have eight bench players that can be made up of any combination of hitters or pitchers.
Another thing . . . ignore the way the playoff bracket looks on cbssportsline. When playoff time comes, I will set the matchups according to this bracket. For the hundredth time . . . if you have not read through the rules, I urge you to take a few minutes and do so.
ksoze - you're up . . .
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| 59 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:54
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blockaa, i am not able to get on to the site and I just wanted to make sure before we got to deep into the draft.
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| 60 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 21:59
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blockaa , your hyperlinks in post #58 are dead. AKA: not working. IE: Kaput!
rfs ®
ksoze- you're up!
rfs ®
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| 61 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:38
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blockaa forgot to put the http:// in front of his links. Here they are again:
league rules
bracket
These links should work...
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| 62 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:41
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For some reason the bracket link doesn't work but if you copy and paste the url address into a new browser window it works. Go figure....
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| 63 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:46
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thanks for the help Jim and Tim . . . wiggs - you don't have to login to the rules page.
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| 64 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:49
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blockaa, i know that know, i forgot you sent out those rules before. I found them in my old emails.
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| 65 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:54
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beastie brought up a good point and I wanted to make sure everyone understands this . . .
say I sign two players to 4-year deals . . . I won't be able to sign another player to a 4-year deal for 4 yrs . . unless I drop one of the other 2 players, correct?
this is correct . . . if you sign a player from this initial draft to a 4-year contract . . . it will still count as a 4-year contract at the beginning of the 2005 season, but only one year will be remaining.
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| 66 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:06
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who where is ksoze?
rfs ®
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| 67 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:08
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ksoze is around and he's thinking about his picks, so stick around.
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| 68 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:12
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one more thing . . . don't think this is on the rules page anywhere . . .
if you release or trade your 'Franchise Player', he will not be allowed to play for your team again for five years from the date of the transaction . .
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| 69 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 172302820
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:56
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assuming rogue and wazaap guy pick yonite, i'll pick it up tomorrow morning. i hate 8am meetings.
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| 70 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 2254414
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 07:24
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Sorry fold holding up the draft last night, I fell asleep early again.
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| 71 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 08:42
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I will only be able to pick between 12-1P (MST) today. I'll be back online from 5P (MST) -> late night
I'll leave a short que w/ CCRider if my pick comes up during my away times, but the que's not very long because my 4th /5th picks will depend on what those around me do. I'll peek in and try not to hold things up.
rfs ®
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| 72 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 10:10
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In discussion I've had with a few people it seems that the majority believe that there are 2 strategies to the initial draft.
1) All the marbles in year 1
2) Set up for a win further down the road.
I'd like to introduce a 3rd strategy that I have yet to see brought up. It happens to be the current draft strategy I am operating under.
3) Dominate every single year.
I hope this doesn't ruin anyone else's strategy but I just wanted to get it out there so everyone was aware that I intend to win the inaugural season and all the other season that follow.
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| 73 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 10:13
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CanEHdian Pride
- I guess you are playing fantasy baseball.
;)
rfs ®
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| 74 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 1701629
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 10:45
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EH, that's the one I want everyone to use. It assures middle of the pack finishes every year...
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| 75 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 11:36
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I am drafting with WPFB year 8 in mind...
I have a short que for rfs and will post the pick for him if his turn comes up soon.
Are we having fun yet?
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| 76 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 12:01
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I was able to make my pick at break. CCRider still has a pick for me for next round if it gets back to me before I am home.
I hope Larry Walker plays more than 142 games this year.
rfs ®
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| 77 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 12:06
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On my way to work... won't be home till 11pm again. Might have laptop access today though... I hope.
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| 78 | cEHp @ school
ID: 22239512
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 12:52
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I have a rough proposal that I'd like to get some feedback on.
Minor League System
I think it essential that we have some sort of farm system which allows us to hold players that aren't ready for prime time without a penalty of losing a contract year while they are preparing for the bigs. This is important because taking a prospect in the later rounds doesn't have much value unless you can hold him for a few years or until an existing players contract runs out and needs to be replaced. This is why I think that a different kind of contract should be available. Players should be able to be signed to minor league contracts if they have under say 500 official major league ABs. I believe they should be able to be held in the minor league system as long as the manager feels necessary but once they are signed to a MLB contract (1 year or more) they cannot be put back into the minor league system. Players from the WW can be signed to minor league contracts as long as the fit the ABs criteria and haven't been signed to a contract.
Further I think that bringing up a player from the minors mid-season should cost one bone but bringing them up in the offseason should not cost an extra bone. This encourages planning properly for the future.
(initial minor league contract costs one bone).
I think this would be a huge improvement to the league as it would open up a new are of strategy. For instance drafting a player and signing to a 2 year contract if they are older and then stocking your minor league system in order to replace that player with a solid prospect a few years down the road. This stops a manager from being forced to sign a player to a one year contract and then losing them to FA the following year. It also promotes diversity in trade offers as I can trade for a prospect and not lose them the following year but assign them to my minor league squad and perhaps plan for the future by trading with a team trying to compete within that year.
Whaddya guys think.....remember this is a very rough outline.
TIME FOR CLASS!
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| 79 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 13:07
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IMO, I dont like the minor league contract idea only because i think that is the whole point of the contracts and the draft of the following year. For example if Player A is drafted now and put in the farm system then he will not be available for next seasons draft and it will not cost the manager that drafts him anything. I think i am understanding what you are saying correctly, if not tell me more. Thats just my opinion and with more details it may change. peace
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| 80 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 2523057
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 14:20
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I like this idea. The only amendment to it that I would suggest would be to have a maximum of 10 players in your minors, and a maximum of 5 pitchers. Otherwise people would just load up on just about every prospect there is. This way you can plan for the future, but not draft every prospect imaginable all the way down to the high school level. (Josh Brighton was just born, I claim him! lol)
Another thought would be to force people to decide at the end of the year weather to keep minor league players who have had 500 career ab (or 200 IP?). If they want to keep them they have to sign him to a contract and bring him up to the mlb level, if they decide not to he becomes an unrestricted FA.
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| 81 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 2523057
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 14:21
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Also, not sure how many bones it should cost to sign a minor leaguer to a contract, should be debated and well thought-out.
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| 82 | cEHp @ school
ID: 9224514
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 14:28
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Sorry I left the Minor League roster size out. I thought that having 5 prospects on a minor league roster would be plenty. We don't want the minor league portion to take over the focus of the actual fantasy game but having it there would encourage diversity in strategy etc.
I'm headed home and will be able to speak on it a bit more when I'm there. I also have a few things that I need to straighten out myself on the ride home.
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| 83 | wiggs
ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:18
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dam you blockaa and beastie, oswalt and zito were my next 2. i thought for sure i would get 1 of them.
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| 84 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:20
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Well Drew was my next pick so you returned the favor.
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| 85 | wiggs
ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:21
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lol. sorry buddy
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| 86 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:37
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Whether there are "minor league contracts" or simply a rookie entry draft that filters to our minor league system there has to be some sort of provision. Without it we will have a bunch of one year contracts to sign rookie prospects to next year.
Let's pretend that Deuce Yakker is looking like a solid starter next year and I'd like to sign him. If I draft him next year the most I'll be able to do is sign him to a 1 year contract of one that expired from this year's draft. If I could sign him to a minor league contract I could hold the rights to him until he is ready to play instead of keeping him around while he is developing and losing him before he is ready to play or before a longer contract spot opens up.
If I am missing something about the contract situation for the draft next year let me know. But the way I see it all the "redraft" will be is a shuffling of backup players as our long term contracts will still all be good through next season. This makes taking prospects a bad idea because we'll lose them after a year anyway.
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| 87 | wiggs
ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:40
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pride
i dont see a problem with having a minor league system, but my thoughts are to have the minor league system come from a seperate draft. After this one is over we can start again or something. Just an idea. I am not set either way.
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| 88 | wiggs
ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:47
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I am going to class, wont be back til after 8 est. I highly doubt i will get another pick before then, but if i do i will pick as soon as i get back. PEace all.
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| 89 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:53
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If there is a minor league system it has to be through a seperate draft. Plus I say no more than 5 minor leaguers preferably 3.
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| 90 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 16:47
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I would also prefer a separate draft for minor league players. I assume we'll all be drafting the prospects that are scheduled to appear this year in the majors during the regular draft, so whoever is left over can be eligible for the minor league draft.
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| 91 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 17:37
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the only thing about a separate draft is that there are some guys who have not played in the bigs yet who will come into spring training battling for a job and could possibly make the team out of spring training.
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| 92 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 17:51
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While it is required to have less than 500 AB to be eligible for your minor league roster, there isn't any rule that requires players with less than 500 AB to BE minor leaguers. You can draft them and place them on the MLB roster, and sign them to any contract as you want.
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| 93 | wiggs
ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 19:35
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for a player to be considered a minor leaguer for this league what does that mean? You listed 500 abs as the cut off, what if someone like jeff kent this season doesnt get 500 because of his injury? Would he be considered a minor leaguer?
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| 94 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 19:47
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I think this idea has merit as long as we keep the total number of guys you can have on your minor league or reserve roster to 10 or less. If we do this I think the minor league draft should be held before the regular free agent draft so that all remaining players will be eligible for the free agent draft and all players protected on minor league rosters will be known beforehand. As EH says, this could make trading more interesting as we could now offer more in the way of trades.
Everyone will lost 12 of their 25 players each year as it now stands. This isn't a bad thing, but if each team can 'reserve' a limited number of guys each year that might soften the blow.
In any case, I think we should not change the existing rules for this season. If we institute something like this we should start it next season since we have essentially already started this season with the draft and we should not be changing the rules in midstream. IMHO, of course.
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| 95 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:02
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blockaa: Maybe I am just missing it, but I have 2 questions....this is from the rules....
Position Requirements:
one C
one 1B
one 2B
one SS
one 3B
three OF
one DH (can be any hitter)
eight P (at least four SP and two RP)How many of the 8 Pitchers are "starters" ? All?
eight bench players Can any of the "bench" players be RPs or SPs?
Thanks.
rfs ®
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| 96 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:11
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RFS,
I got the impression that we need to start 8 pitchers, at least 4 of which must be SP's and at least 2 of which must be RP's, and that your bench players can be from any position including pitchers.
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| 97 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:12
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RFS, i think i understand the pos requirements. you may have at most 6 starters in the game each day. Bench could be 8 of any positions. your choice. hope this helped.
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| 98 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:13
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Thats what I got too. Your bench can be any player, and your 8 pitching slots are just 8 slots that can have any pitcher in them. However, 4 must be used for SP's and 2 for RP's at all times. The other two can be SP or RP, depending on your wishes.
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| 99 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:33
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"You listed 500 abs as the cut off, what if someone like jeff kent this season doesnt get 500 because of his injury? Would he be considered a minor leaguer? "
I Hope You are joking!
From #78 (revised)
"Players should be able to be signed to minor league contracts if they have under say 500 official major league career ABs"
Hope that clears things up.
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| 100 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:36
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Pride, you have got to be kidding me, i used kent as an example, ok player x last year got 489 at bats, and this year he breaks his wrist and doesnt start the season, can you put him on your minor league team?
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| 101 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:39
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If they have less than the cuttoff AB in their carreer then yes.
500 isn't in stone.
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| 102 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:41
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If that was his first season, and thus his career AB's were 489, then yes, he could be put on the minor league roster. (Of course, once a player is on the major league roster he can't be sent back to the minors.)
If he was a veteran who had played a few seasons before his 489 AB season, then it wouldn't matter. His career AB's would be over 500, and thus he would NOT qualify as a minor leaguer.
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| 103 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:42
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ok, i just wanted to understand how this thing worked. I wasnt trying to start any problems, although you seem like you are always right there waiting to throw some insults. I wont return it to you.
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| 104 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:44
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Whoa, where'd you see that Wiggs? I don't see where your coming from on that one...
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| 105 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 23:46
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rogue, not you, pride bashes everything i say everytime i say it.
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| 106 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:01
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wasaap is online, he is looking for his pick. anyone behind him please wait a couple minutes.
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| 107 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:13
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rogue, dunn is a nice pick.
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| 108 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:13
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CH is here, thinking about his pick. Is ksoze around? If he is then I'll stick around and make my round 6 pick. If not I'll head to bed.
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| 109 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:15
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Thanks, I now got the two big OF's from Cincy. I hope the team does something good this year.
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| 110 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:16
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Just waitin' on Eh.
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| 111 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:16
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Cool, I'll hang around for another 15-20 min then.
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| 112 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:18
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ksoze is online. I just tried to IM'd him. He'll pick.
rfs ®
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| 113 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:31
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NOTICE - position requirement change!!
think I'm going to change the pitcher requirements right now . . . . out of the eight pitcher slots, only 3 must be SP. So your active pitching staff will look like this:- SP
- SP
- SP
- P (can be SP OR RP)
- P (can be SP OR RP)
- P (can be SP OR RP)
- RP
- RP
everyone understand? Three of the eight pitcher slots will be designated as SP, two will be designated as RP, and the remaining three slots can be SP or RP. I think this allows for a wider variety of strategy when assembling your staff.
I wanted to wait and see what others thought about the minor league thing before I posted my opinion. First of all, I like the idea of having a minor league/farm system. However, if we do decide to have one . . . I would like to have a system that will reward the managers who research prospects . . . but not be such a vital part of the overall league where you are at a big disadvantage if you don't put alot of time into it . . . . does that make any sense? Pretty much, I think it's best to keep it fairly small and simple . . . at least starting out. It could be expanded in the future if we wanted.
I'll lay down a few ideas/points for discussion:- having a separate minor league draft is a good idea . .
- anyone who qualifies as a MLB rookie (less than 160 AB or 50 IP in the majors) could be taken in the minor league draft
- as Richard said (post 92), all players with less than 160 AB and 50 IP do not have to be 'minor leaguers' . . . . you could draft a player to your 'big league team' who has never played in the big leagues
- I like the three number that beastie suggested in post 89. As I said, we could raise this number in the future if we wanted . . . but for now I think it's best to start out low
- what about holding the minor league draft every other year?
- two time frames for 'calling up' a player from your minor league squad . . . one would be during the season . . this would be similar to a free agent pick-up . . . meaning that you would have to drop a player and sign your 'minor leaguer' to a contract at the expense of bone(s).
other is . . 'calling up' a 'minor leaguer' during the off-season and signing him to a contract would not cost you bones
- let's say we hold the draft every other year . . . any player not called up by the end of the second season (you would have until December 31st after that season to make the call-up) would be dropped from your team and go into the free agent pool . . . basically, meaning that 'minor league rosters' will be reset on January 1st every other year
- if, during the season, one of your 'minor league' players exceeds the 160 AB/50 IP limit . . . . following the season (you would have until December 31st to decide) you have to make a choice . . . do I call him up and sign him to a contract? or do I drop him and let him become a free agent?
if you do decide to drop him, he would be considered a free agent . . not a restricted free agent
- I don't think 'minor league' free agent pick-ups should be allowed . . . meaning, you are stuck with the guys you draft (at least until the next 'minor league draft') unless you trade with another team
- through trading, it is possible to hold more than 3 minor leaguers at the same time
- draft order for the 'minor league draft' would be determined by some type of 'lotto' . . . similar to what takes place in the NBA . . bad teams have a better chance at the top picks, but it would be left up to 'chance' to ultimately decide
- on when to hold the draft . . . I was thinking about a week after the regular season starts.
I'm going to have to agree with Jim (post 94) that it may be a good idea to wait until the 2003 season to go through with this idea. Let me know what you think . . . you like these ideas? no? Did I leave anything out? Did I make any sense?
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| 114 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:35
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blockaa, everything stated seemed just fine to me.
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| 115 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:45
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Re: #113
I like the P position changes. good idea.
RE: minor league draft. I've been purposely silent on this so far. I'll go along with the majority, but IMO, the minor league draft concept has certainly got complicated and a lot of rules are involved for 3 players that may never have an impact. I'll be one of those that doesn't spend a great deal of time with it.
Also, SOMEONE is going to have to be in charge and monitor bones/moves closely. If my "hot" prospect gets called to the majors, I may want to promote him ASAP and someone has to make sure that bones/contract/moves are correct right away because he will be accumulating stats. If they are not right someone will be competing against an illegal roster (even if by mistake)
I guess what I'm trying to say is.. does this seem very complicated? (or too complicated for a minor part of the game?) or am I just sleepy?
As I said, I'll go along with the majority. Maybe we need a poll at the site? or the yahoo site?
BTW, Are all the CBS site issues cleared up?
rfs ®
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| 116 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 00:53
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.... more about my last post....
It's NOT a complaint, just my $0.02. The league is shaping up way to well to have any complaints.
rfs ®
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| 117 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 01:04
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While it might sound a bit complicated at first, I do like the stradegy elements that having a minor league roster introduces.
I definitely think we should wait until next year though. The main reason being that by the time next season starts we can have a league webpage up that keeps track of all these things. It would be very easy to have bones automatically kept track of threw the website. It would also be easy to have a 'year tag' next to each minor leaguer.
Like this: John Doe (2002)
Since you'd have two seasons to decide if you want to bring that minor leaguer up the MLB level, or let him go to free agency, its important to keep track of what year each minor leaguer was signed. A pain to do with the CBS site, but something that would take two minutes on a planned website.
Blockaa, one thing though, I'd suggest it would be best to have the rookie draft each year. Also, each offseason you could decide to drop one, two or all of your minor leaguers if you wish (Or call them all up to your MLB team), in favor of drafting better ones. Each year there are new promising rookies that come around, I'd hate to miss holding one on my minor league roster just because he showed his face during a year we weren't drafting...
As far as things being complicated, I think before we added minor leaguer rosters to the league we'd hammer out an official rule section about it so that everything is clear. It seems complicated now because alot of ideas are being fired around, but once there are one set of rules to follow it would be simple to understand.
Ok guys, thats it for me, time for bed.
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| 118 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 01:33
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alright . . . I updated everyone's team on CBS through 6.4. I also posted a poll question. I know that wiggs is still having login problems, but I think he's the only one. I think we've passed the easy picks . . . this is where it starts to get interesting. I'll give the minor league thing a little more thought and post again tomorrow. I'm out for the night . . .
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| 119 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 10:34
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Sorry for holding everyone up. I had a nice rest on the highway while a state trooper pulled 5 of us over.
Wazaap Guy,
If you don't like your team you shouldn't have drafted garcia and mussina right before I could.:)
Wiggs,
I still can't log in either, and the last message from Commissioner.com said they just started a new way for aol members to access their site, and are working on my problem. If they can't fix it soon, I hope blockaa can add me with my non-aol e-mail address.
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| 120 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 10:42
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unemployed, sorry to here about your encounter with the states finest. I am still trying to get into the league. I created a new ID and that one still isnt working. Nice pick with benitez. I really thought he might slip to me.
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| 121 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:08
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Sorry to hold things up this morning...busy at work.
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| 122 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:13
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Thought: at our current pace, it will take us approximately 12 days total to complete the draft. I guess I'm just a bit anxious and am looking for a way to knock out rounds a little quicker. Maybe would could all agree to be on line Friday evening or sometime Saturday. If this is not an option, or if I simply need to relax, just say so. Your thoughts?
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| 123 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 1701629
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:24
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I'm always up for speeding up the draft but there are always guys who are only around during certain parts of the day. I will be gone from Sunday until Tuesday so I will have to give a detailed list to someone for my picks during those 3 days. Any takers?
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| 124 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:55
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I just posted Daniel's pick. rockafellerskank - you're up. Jim . . . I would be happy to take your list if you want.
What does everyone's schedule look like on Saturday? I was thinking around 12-3pm EST . . . . is this a problem for anyone?
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| 125 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 1701629
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:58
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Thanks blockaa. It's rfs time to pick, we're going the other way now...
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| 126 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:59
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should be good for me. I work from 4-11
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| 127 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:10
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Saturday from 12-3pm EST works fine for me.
rfs ®
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| 128 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:23
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saturday afternoon is very tough for me, I will be coaching my team all afternoon. I will do my best to make my picks but i can assure you that i will be there. Tonight any time and tomorrow all day and friday all afternoon will be fine for me.
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| 129 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:25
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To further clarify this # of pitchers situation - Do I have to always start 8 pitchers (3SP, 2RP, 3P)? Example: if I've only drafted 8 pitchers, I cannot move any to the bench?
Is there such thing as an "invalid roster" in our league where I would gain no points unless the minimum player "requirements" have been met?
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| 130 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:29
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I am available this Saturday from 12-3EST
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| 131 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:35
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Jeff . . . good point.
The answer is no . . you do not have to start a player in every position.
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| 132 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:46
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i am off to class now, wont be back til about 530 est. I have my picks ready so i will post as soon as i get home. maybe be sooner, but i dont want people to expect anything.
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| 133 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 14:25
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Saturday from 12-3 EST will be iffy for me. Its my friend's 20th birthday Friday, and we're going out to celebrate it in style. I'll probably be asleep all of saturday morning, and maybe into the afternoon. I'll do my best to set my alarm, but I don't always listen to it... ;)
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| 134 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 15:06
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RE: #129 & #131,
OK, let me get this correct.
Scenario:
Of couse I start C,1B,2B,SS,3B,OF,OF,OF,DH.....
I have 8 bench players who are ALL hitters.
I have 8 Pitchers on my team, one of which is
Rick Ankiel!!
Rick is on his way to Coors Field and scares me to to death! I can just "bench" him even though all my 8 Bench Spots are occupied by hitters? And play with 7 Pitchers as long as I want.
That's what I think I'm understanding, but want to be sure.
rfs ®
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| 135 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 15:14
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I have never been in a league where there was a maxiumum number of bench players. I think as long as you don't exceed positional requirements (which is impossible due to roster submission template) your roster is valid.
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| 136 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 15:15
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Yep, thats correct. '8 bench spots' simply means 'extra slots'. You could start a catcher and then have 24 guys on your bench.
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| 137 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 15:23
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Looks like wiggs just signed onto AIM. Everyone stick around!
Let's hope he brought his charts........
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| 138 | CCRider
ID: 9802113
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 16:14
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Thanks for the extra clarification on the Pitcher spot.
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| 139 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 16:33
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Are changes daily or weekly?
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| 140 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 16:44
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Daily changes
Phil and Richard have the right idea about bench players (post 135 & 136)
If you want your team name to be different than your gurupie name . . . just post the change.
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| 141 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 16:58
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i still cant get into cbssportsline.com. I created a new id and it still wont work.
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| 142 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:20
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bmd really surpirsed me w/ Sasaki in RD7 (only 1 pick in front of me). I was planning to be the first w/ 2 premier closers, but he beat me to the punch!
rfs ®
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| 143 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:22
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He surprised me too. I was hoping he'd slip to me. Everyone who was left to draft had a top closer, except for wazaaap guy, so I figured if anyone took him it would be him or me.
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| 144 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:22
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Make that 'everyone who was left to draft before my next pick'.
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| 145 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:25
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12-3 EST won't work for me on Saturday, sorry, I'll be at the Rangers spring training game.
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| 146 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:27
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I would've taken Sasaki, but couldn't stand taking two straight M's. I figured either beastie or rfs would go after him. No offense beastie, but I hope the guy pulls a Mark Wohlers.
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| 147 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 921448
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:30
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I talked to CCRider. He is mobile right now and can't pick for 2-3 hours (at least), but he says he WILL get a pick in tonight to move things along.
rfs ®
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| 148 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:30
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I surprised myself with that pick. I figured since we had to use 2 RP's that I better get 2 solid ones. Too bad I'm screwed at every other position now.
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| 149 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 53428912
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:49
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Won't be available Sat afternoon either but tonite or tomorrow night would work.
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| 150 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 20:26
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Alright . . . doesn't sound like Saturday is a good idea. What about tomorrow night? . . . say around 9:30-10:30pm EST? It's just difficult, because we have to find a time that works for everybody or else it's useless.
Tim, I've been meaning to address your concerns from post 115 . . . CBS will let us make moves retroactively . . . meaning that if someone makes an illegal pick-up or roster move . . and we catch it late . . . we can go back and change it . . . It will automatically correct the stats for you. About keeping track of bones . . . was it you who volunteered to keep track of the bones? I don't mind doing it myself, but if someone else doesn't mind . . . . . I don't think it will be a real difficult task during the season. It will be easy to see when someone is making a trade or free agent pick-up. If someone wants to upgrade a player contract . . they will have to e-mail me to let me know. I think that everyone here is capable of checking their bones before they make a transaction . . .
I entered in three additional categories to help manage things . . . if you look at the players on your team there is a slot for salary, one for status, and one for remain.This will tell us:
- how many $$ does this player count against the salary cap . . . ($10 for franchise, $4 for 4-yr, $3 for 3-yr, $2 for 2-yr, and $1 for 1-yr)
- what is the contract status of this player? . . . . (franchise, 4-yr, 3-yr, 2-yr, 1-yr)
I realize these first two (salary & status) are somewhat repetitive . . . because obviously $10 = franchise, $4 = 4-yr, and so forth . . .
- how many years remain on the player's contract
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| 151 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:00
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I should be home from work about 10:45pm tomorrow night. I'll probably have laptop access during work but will be on the road from about 10:15 till I get home.
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| 152 | Unemployed
Donor
ID: 172302820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:00
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Nice work on the salaries. I wish I could get in and see it. I'll give commisiioner.com one more day and then I'll ask you to change the e-mail and see if that helps.
Still not my turn so I'll come back in an hour.
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| 153 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:05
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unemployed, i tried to change my id and email and all and it still isnt working.
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| 154 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:05
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I should be walking in the door from baseball practice around 9:30 EST tommorrow. I should be doing work but I will probably just tweak a web page that I have to hand in next week or do some reading of notes online.
Count me in.
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| 155 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:07
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I'll be around tomorrow night...
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| 156 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:08
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i am going to see the globe trotters tomorrow night, i have heard they are gay now, but my fiance wants to go so i am. Hopefully i will get to pick before i go to the game and then there will be 22 picks between me and me again. Sorry for the inconvinence, but i will do my best.
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| 157 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 21:20
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To All: I can/will be around Thursday night. I have no life!
RE CCRider's post #122: I'm OK with the pace, but I'll speak for him and me (we work together) for next week M-F. It's a VERY busy time at work for us next week. For the most part we will be in meetings 8-5P with not much time to break away (maybe lunch). So, we may hold things up from time to time. The more we get done between now and then the better.
Allan: It was me that suggested a "bone commissioner" I think it's a good idea for 2 reasons... 1) An extra set of eyes to watch things, a second person besides you who can reply to questions. 2)It also lessens your workload and provides a backup to you in case you cannot be available.
It doesn't have to be me, but I'd volunteer if it will benefit all.
rfs ®
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| 158 | CCRider
ID: 47662912
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 22:00
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Just picked...sorry to hold things up. Now you can get rolling again...
I have some free time tomorrow night and can be available for drafting.
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| 159 | blockaa
Donor
ID: 550321519
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 23:37
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