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Subject: UKL Draft Discussion
Posted by: Farn
- [171128623] Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:08
figured i would open a thread to shoot the breeze while picks and such are being made.
anyone want to evaluate the teams, or at least your own.
I am loving my squad. very strong all the way around. An infield of Bagwell, Biggio, Jeter, Cirillo, C.Johnson, and Vaughn and Walker is pretty solid. And a staff of Unit, Clemens, Reed, Milton, Wells, and Washburn is nice. Bullpen of Percival and Graves.
Find a weakness there.
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| 1 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 432451418
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:17
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..... not that it's any of my business, but FYI: Graves may be converted to the rotation which will cut down on your saves.... you also don't have much in the way of SB's......
rfs ®
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| 2 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:20
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from cbs.sportsline.com
Reds manager Bob Boone said Thursday that there's no chance Graves will be converted to a starter right now. "We don't have anyone on the back end that I'm confident enough in," Boone told The Cincinnati Enquirer. "If we had someone with 42 saves waiting back there, it would be different." If you're worried about Graves losing his value by switching to the rotation, it's now safe for you to count on him to close games all season.
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| 3 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:21
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I was going to tell you the same thing. That leaves you weak at bullpen.
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| 4 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:22
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Oh then you are ok. Solid team you've done a pretty good job of filling your needs.
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| 5 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:22
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graves is definately closing. with percival as the other closer and guardado backing them up he has about 100 saves there. i think he will be fine.
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| 6 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 432451418
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:24
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Farn,
I know .... that's why I said may in italics. We all know situations change. Have you ever known a manager to say one thing and do another? What if the Reds get two SPs hurt? Might that change his mind? I drafted Graves as my #2 C-Loser on my keeper league, but I think it is wise to back him up. As I said, it's none of my business (just bored).
$0.02
rfs ®
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| 7 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:25
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My Squad
C - Ivan Rodriguez
C - Javy Lopez
1B - Richie Sexson
1B - Fred Mcgriff
2B - Jose Ortiz
2B - Marcus Giles
3B - Eric Chavez
SS - Rafael Furcal
OF – Lance Berkman
OF – Jim Edmonds
OF – Roger Cedeno
OF – Geoff Jenkins
OF – Daryle Ward
OF – Jeremy Giambi
SP – Pedro Martinez
SP – Freddy Garcia
SP – Corey Lidle
SP – Jason Marquis
SP – Bud Smith
SP – Ben Sheets
RP – Mariano Rivera
RP – Jason Isringhausen
RP – Scott Strickland
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| 8 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 432451418
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:28
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Oh, And don't discount Jeff Shaw lowering his asking price. He really wants to play in Ohio.
That would solve this part of the equation: "We don't have anyone on the back end that I'm confident enough in," Boone told The Cincinnati Enquirer.
rfs ®
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| 9 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:29
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my team
C
1B Helton
2B Durham
3B Glaus
SS Aurillia
OF Bonds
OF Pierre
OF Mondesi
OF Stewart
CI A Ramerez
MI Cabera
DH Thomas
SP Hudson
SP Kile
SP Russ Ortiz
SP Robert Person
SP Sele
SP Millwood
RP Sasaki
RP Mesa
RP Kim
Bench
Everett
Armas JR
D Young
Casey
Jason Bere
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| 10 | tduncan
ID: 47916243
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:35
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My roster so far:
C - Tobby Hall
1B - Tony Clark
2B - Alfonso Soriano
SS - Edgar Rentaria
3B - Adrian Beltre
CIF - Todd Zeile
MIF - Luis Rivas
OF - Vladimir Guerrero
OF - Manny Ramirez
OF - Magglio Ordonez
OF - J.D. Drew
DH - Tim Salmon
SP - Matt Morris
SP - John Lieber
SP - C.C. Sabathia
SP - Brad Penny
SP - Jeff Weaver
SP - Hideo Nomo
RP - Armando Benitez
RP - Matt Anderson
RP - Billy Koch
prospect - Mark Prior
Prospect - Juan Cruz
Prospect - Carlos Hernandez
Prospect - Wilson Betemit
Remember guys, no disccusion of future picks, only picks that were allready made.
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| 11 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:47
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Duncan:
You have a killer OF but that cost you on your infield. Tony Clark is a high-risk/high reward pick because he is a good hitter but his back is killing the poor man. Renteria has been on a decline although SS is a scarce position so he is OK. Otherwise you are pretty much set for the season.
Wiggs:
You have pretty good hitters at many positions in Helton, Bonds, Aurilia, Glaus and company although you have no catcher, maybe we can work out a trade =o). Frank Thomas definately was a good pick especially if he regains his 2000 form. Your pitching is good with Hudson and Kile as your top 2, and you seem to be pretty strong in the wins department as your pitcher are all on good teams. If Millwood pitches similarly to how he did in 1999 you have a top-flight staff. Your relievers are good, especially in the K department, although Mesa is a bit of a risk IMO. Anyways, you have a really solid team.
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| 12 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:49
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My Squad: The Notorious 9
1b-Giambi (hr, rbi, runs!!! im watering)
2b-Offerman (Jose Ortiz was mine! will work)
SS-Rollins (going to love having him)
3b-Rolen (contract yr, huge!)
C-Petrick (will work)
OF-
Sosa (nuff said)
Williams (solid)
Damon (breakout hopefully)
Nixon (will work)
Higginson (um)
P-
Vazquez
Oswalt
Wade Miller
Billy Wagner
Colon
Pettitte
Wolf
Duckworth
Escobar
I also have some Prospect such as Reyes, Pena, Jerome Williams.
Any thoughts? BESIDES I have 3 HOU Pitchers.
THK
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| 13 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 14:50
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If anybody is willing to give me some insight on my team so far I'll be more than glad to hear.
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| 14 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 15:00
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tavo,
c- pudge can shed some LBs he will be solid for you.
1b- Sexton might be alittle weak without burnitz, or he could be fine.
2b- Ortiz and giles are middle of the pack 2nd baseman
3b - Chavez will do fine, he needs to cut the Ks
SS- not a big fan of furcal, should have grabbed Tejada.
OF- Looks alittle shakey, never know about berkman, could be nice, could suck. Edmonds is getting older, Cedeno will get you SBs and run. The rest, weak.
SP- pedro and garcia are nice
RP- You have the best closer in baseball
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| 15 | Tavo
ID: 362351815
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 15:37
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I know wiggs I totally forgot about Tejada and got Furcal instead. That sucked
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| 16 | Demon_Rat
ID: 542351816
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 16:36
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SP-Mike Mussina,Mark Mulder, A.J. Burnett, Joel Pineiro, Jamie Moyer, Danny Baez.
CP-Matt Hoffman, Bob Wickman.
C-Jorge Posada, Mitch Meluskey.
1-Mike Sweeney, Doug Mienkiewicz.
2-Luis Castillo, Micheal Young.
3-Corey Koskie, Jose Valentin.
ss-Alex Gonzalez, Barry Larkin.
OF-Ichiro Susuki, Juan Gonzalez, Jeremy Burnitz, Richard Hidalgo, Frank Cattalanoto.
Prospects-Hank Blalock, Mark Teixeira.
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| 17 | Demon_Rat
ID: 542351816
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 16:39
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If anybody is willing to give me some insight on my team so far I'll be more than glad to hear.
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| 18 | the ART of MONK
ID: 35226511
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 16:41
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steal of the draft was griffey in the 7th.
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| 19 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 16:48
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i like my steal of Kile at the end of the 8th
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| 20 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 17:27
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is eze alive?
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| 21 | Demon_Rat
ID: 542351816
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 20:56
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When r next PICKS going to be??
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| 22 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 21:04
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we might not pick again til tomorrow!
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| 23 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 21:18
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Where the hell is EzE. Can anybody call him or something?
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| 24 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 21:42
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It's THK's turn now
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| 25 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 22:30
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demon up now
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| 26 | Demon_Rat
ID: 542351816
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 22:38
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my turn?
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| 27 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 22:39
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yes demon
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| 28 | Demon_Rat
ID: 542351816
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 22:56
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Esteban Yan taken?
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| 29 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 22:59
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he is available. if that's your pick please verify that in the pick thread.
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| 30 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:06
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4 picks in 30 seconds.
its now Tavo's turn. At this pace I will make my next pick at about 230am thursday.
TAVO, ITS YOUR TURN
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| 31 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:12
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wow, tavo on the ball.
Puff is up and he is being emailed to make his 2 picks, which will likely be sometime tonight.
anyone picking after tdunc can go to bed because he is already gone for the night.
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| 32 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:13
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Do you think Puff will be picking anytime soon?
I am kind of sleepy.
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| 33 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:15
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not sure Tavo, he stays up late everynight, but i am not sure if he is around right now.
if you wanna leave a queue of 2 or 3 players via email to me or wiggs feel free to. if you leave a 3 player queue you are guaranteed to get one and you can go to bed.
me- farney@yahoo.com
wiggs- wiggs1766@hotmail.com
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| 34 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:18
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gone for my night... I'm now back...
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| 35 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:19
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OK but I'm still not sure who I want.
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| 36 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:23
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yo, on second thought if tdunc is gonna be around and you figure out who you want send him your queue. then wiggs and i can get sleep incase puff doesn't show up for an hour or 2.
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| 37 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 23:44
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i am headed to bed. i have a small queue given to wiggs incase he is still up to pick. if not i will pick at 615am when i wake up.
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| 38 | Farn
ID: 2310151714
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 11:32
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DEMON, ITS YOUR PICK
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| 39 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 11:33
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at this pace we will be done by the time we start doing football drafts.
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| 40 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 12:19
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Demon is in school. He'll be back at 2:30, so he won't pick before 2 hours from now.
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| 41 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 12:21
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Everybody else, have your pick ready for when its your turn you draft ASAP and maybe we can get at least two rounds done today.
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| 42 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 13:09
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all owners: check your mail boxes, and reply me ASAP.
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| 43 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 15:27
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come on, the speed of this draft is awful. Although sadly I think its still faster than it was Sunday night in a draft room. Let's pick up the pace guys. If you aren't gonna be around leave a queue.
btw, THK, ITS YOUR PICK!
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| 44 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 15:32
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Lets all try to be online tonight around 9pm ET. then we will be able to get a few rounds done.
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| 45 | wiggs@library
ID: 312161915
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 15:33
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In all fairness it has only been THK's pick for 40 minutes. I mean we waited for Demon for like 13 hours. THK will check in, he is pretty good about making his picks. I do believe i remember him saying he had soccer or something tonight, but i dont know if he will be able to check in before that.
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| 46 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 15:43
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THK posted in another thread he will be out untill 5:15 CST tonight... thats 2 and a half hours from now.
The good news is, it appears that everyone will be online tonight at around 9pm, so maybe will be able to get everyone in a chat room again and finish those 13 rounds.
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| 47 | Farn
ID: 2310151714
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 16:52
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my bad above. I wasn't making the comment bigger because he hasn't picked and i was mad, just makes it easier for him to see if he skims through posts. That way he doesn't miss it.
on a side note, i don't mind drafting tonight, but 9pm is 24 so I will only be watching to see when its my pick. I think the same goes for wiggs.
wiggs- can you email Puff daddy to see if he will be around?
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| 48 | Tavo
ID: 152211814
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 20:43
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It's THK's turn again. Anybody know anything about him? Hope he'll be available at 9pm
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| 49 | eZe
ID: 72431920
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 20:47
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C-Paul LoDuca
1B-Rafael Palmeiro
2B-Bret Boone
Jeff Kent
SS-Omar Vizquel
Felipe Lopez
3B-Albert Pujols
Robin Ventura
OF-Luis Gonzalez
Larry Walker
Brian Jordan
Matt Lawton
DH-Edgar Martinez
P-Curt Schilling
Kevin Brown
Chan Ho Park
Ryan Dempster
Brad Radke
Roy Halladay
Carl Pavano
Octavio Dotel
Jeff Zimmerman
Prospects
-Nick Johnson
Neugebauer
Cuddyer
Choi
Orlando Hudson
Brandon Phillips
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| 50 | Dan
Donor
ID: 3495932
Tue, Mar 19, 2002, 22:50
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Dan's Roster
| SP | Greg Maddux | Al Leiter
| Pedro Astacio
| Chris Carpenter
| Ramon Ortiz
| Jason Schmidt
| Willis Roberts
| Rick Ankiel
| Kevin Appier | Miguel Batista | | CL | Robb Nen
| | | | | | | | | | | C | Jason Kendall
| Mike Rivera | | | | | | | | | | 1B | Ryan Klesko
| | | | | | | | | | | 2B | Jose Vidro
| | | | | | | | | | | 3B | Chipper Jones | Mike Lowell
| | | | | | | | | | SS | Nomar Garciaparra
| Miguel Tejada
| | | | | | | | | | OF | Shawn Green | Moises Alou
| Preston Wilson
| Jermaine Dye
| Garret Anderson | Vernon Wells
| Todd Hollandsworth
| | | | | Prospects | Ryan Anderson
| Ramon Vazquez | | | | | | | | |
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| 51 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 00:02
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| 52 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 08:13
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another e-mail guys.
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| 53 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 08:18
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Tonight, 9:30pm ET, we are getting this thing done.
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| 54 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 08:19
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If you can't make it, send someone a big que. So late in the draft, you will probably get exactly who you want.
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| 55 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 10:18
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alright, so tavo is up. is he around or are we stopped for a while again?
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| 56 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 17:33
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why is it that a certain part of the draft flies by in like 10 mins but another area takes 24 hours?
i think the problem is a few managers won't leave a queue. why? because they are either afraid of losing players or they can't think of 3 or 4 players to leave.
its not hard people, if you are gonna be gone leave a queue.
or better yet, if you are online, PICK!
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| 57 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 17:36
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Farn, the problem is that dan has to be a prick all the time and he wont make picks because he thinks he is funny.
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| 58 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 18:00
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tavo's bro now up for 2 picks, then eZe again.
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| 59 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 23:29
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OK, we need to clarify (and fix) a few things.
1. If I trade a player with a 5 year deal for a player with a 5 year deal those cancel eachother out for contracts. You don't keep both contracts on your Cap. That's absurd. MLB doesn't do it and we shouldn't.
2. If I release a player and someone signs him, why would I continue to pay him while another manager also pays him? That too is absurd.
Someone else jump in here because that is nuts.
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| 60 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 23:32
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farn the trade thing was a misunderstanding, if it is 5 for 5 there is no hit. If it is 5 for 3 then there will be a hit and that makes sense. I dont agree with the dropping a player and someone else getting him causing a cap hit for 2 teams.
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| 61 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 23:38
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1. You are wrong there boddy... when there is a trade, the contracts just swiched.
2. You should be penalized in some way for droping a player. It doesn't matter if someone else picked him or not.
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| 62 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 23:41
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Check you e-mails guys, this one is REALLY important.
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| 63 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Wed, Mar 20, 2002, 23:46
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and more about 2: If MLB had a salary cap, teams would have still take a cap hit for realsed players. Just like in football.
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