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Game sites:     TSN Baseball     Swirve Baseball     Prog. Sports. Chall.     Sandbox     Yahoo! Baseball 0 Subject: Lucky 13 2007 Draft Discussion Posted by: barilko6 - [290202915] Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 08:16 Lucky 13 Fantasy Baseball Rules Basics: • Season – Full Season • Slow draft via message board • 13 teams • 26 players on a team +2 farmers • Positions – C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, (3)OF, IF, Util • 15 games to qualify at a position (Yahoo! rule) • 162 games maximum per position • Pitching – (8) Pitching slots – any combination of starters/relievers. • Bench – 8 players (any combination hitters/pitchers) • DL – 2 players maximum • Traditional 5x5 Categories – R, RBI, HR, SB, AVG – W, Saves, SO, ERA, WHIP • Maximum 1300 innings • Minimum 900 innings – if the minimum innings are not met the team will receive only 1 point in ERA/WHIP categories. This does not effect other managers points. • Roster Changes Daily • Unlimited Moves • Waiver Time – 2 days • Waiver initial order is reverse of draft order • Retroactive Stats – No • Unlimited Trades • Trade Deadline – TBD on what Yahoo allows, will be the second to last date Yahoo allows. • Trade Reject time – 2 days • The trade reject time can be waived if both trading managers request the waiver and the commissioner judges the trade as no chance of veto. • Any manager can call for a veto vote via an email to the commissioner. • The commissioner will not release the name of the manager requesting the vote. • Commissioner will then email each manager individually for a veto vote • Veto votes are YES or NO there are no conditions involved. It is not the role of the voters to fix the trade. • Managers not casting a veto vote will not count either way towards the veto percentage. • Veto = 50% or greater of owners casting votes not involved in trade • If a trade occurs where there are an uneven amount of players swapped (example: 3 for 2) the manager must leave a roster spot open for the trade to occur. Yahoo! cancels trades if a roster spot gets filled. In the case of a trade getting canceled because of this situation it will be required that the trade is made again and the commissioner will commit the trade immediately and waive the wait time. • If a manager deliberately attempts to sabotage the league the commissioner has the power to banish that manager from the league and freeze the teams roster. (dumping star players to free agency, ridiculous trades) 1 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 08:16 Draft: • 27 Round Draft • 26 man rosters plus 2 farmer reserves • Farmer explanation: • Farmer = player not in the Yahoo! Database at the start of the season and must qualify as a rookie (minimal major league experience) • Drafted in any round of the draft • Each team is allowed one farmer pitcher and one farmer hitter • Can be retained for the season they are brought to the majors and the following season if they are never released • If the player is not brought to the majors during the season the following year the manager can choose to retain the player as a farmer or redraft another player. • The 28th position will be a keeper. Keeper picks will be due before the start of the draft. • The player must have been drafted by a team in the previous draft between rounds 14-27 and never been released as a free agent. Free agents not allowed. The player must be on your roster by the trading deadline and on the end season roster. Keeper eligible players retain their keeper status when traded. Keepers can only be kept for one year. • Draft initial order will be random • Inverse Rounds Draft Order (snake draft) • Draft Trading Allowed – http://www.kffl.com/draftanalyzer/index.php • Trades involving the highest draft pick in the first 5 rounds, the trade must be within 1000 points using the draft calculator • Trades involving the highest draft pick in rounds 6-15, the trade must be within 500 points using the draft calculator • Trades involving the highest draft pick in rounds 16-27, the trade must be within 100 points using the draft calculator • 6 hour time limit with the clock off between 2am eastern and 8am eastern • 12 hour time limit on the weekends no clock off time • Starting in the 20th round there will be a 4 hour time limit • If a manager has back to back picks they are allowed one time period and then both picks are skipped. • Once a manager is skipped because of running out of time subsequent picks for that manager do not get a new time period until the manager makes their missed picks. • Trades do not reset the time clock. The time is associated with the pick and not the manager. • If a pick is skipped because of time running out the pick can be made as soon as the manager shows up. Players picked after the missed pick are off of the board. • If a manager drafts a player already picked the draft will continue with the next manager and the manager who made the duplicate can replace the duplicate pick at any time. Since the draft immediately continues players selected after the duplicate pick are off the board as far as the duplicate manager is concerned. • In the case where a manager picks out of order or someone other than the manager picking make an incorrect pick (wrong queue, duplicate pick) and others make picks after the bad pick the draft will revert back to the place where the out of order pick was made. • Once a pick is posted to the message board the pick is final removing the post and repicking is not allowed. • A manager can leave picks with another manager if they will not be available to pick. Queues are encouraged. 2 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 08:17 Farmer Info 1) Each team is allowed one farmer hitter and pitcher. 2) They are drafted at any point during the normal draft. 3) To qualify for farmer status they cannot be in the Yahoo database on opening day of the season. *I understand this puts an extra burden on the managers and there is a chance you will draft a player with the intention of him being a farmer only to have that player make the opening day roster...in this case the player will lose farmer status and you can keep the player but not as a farmer...in this case I will allow you to choose a replacement farmer* 4) I will put a list of teams farmers in the commissioners notes and will try and watch for farmers as they make the bigs...if you see one of your players called up...please post a message and make a waiver claim on the player...I will waive the waiver time and fix the waiver order. 5) Once a player is called up you do need to add the player to your roster within (5 days) or you will lose the rights. 6) In the season the player is brought to the majors you can retain the rights to that player for the following season. 7) If you retain a farmer you can draft a new farmer the following year and your retained farmer will meam you have one less draft pick. (considering if this should be your last pick you lose or possibly a slightly higher pick?) 8) If the player does not see the majors...next draft you can choose to retain the player in your farmer spot or release him. 9) You can retain the farmer for as many years as you like while in the minors and still have 2 years rights when he joins the majors. 10) Spot starts and then back to the minors...if they are added to the Yahoo database the clock starts and they need to take up a major league position if you want to retain. 3 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 08:23 when does the draft actually start? if it is today, will someone text me when i am up. I will be away all day, but i will have my phone. 4 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 08:30 Tomorrow at 9:00 AM Wiggs...but Jackhammers can start unofficially anytime... 6 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 09:22 Aren't we at the point that everyone's excited because this is the first draft of the year and we can't wait to make our picks so we fly through the first few rounds.... 7 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 09:28 Yep...Jackhammers is officially on the clock. I will send him an email to remind him that things start today. 8 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 09:45 First pick?? I knew I was going to like this league. It will be up a few minutes 9 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 10:20 That was a little harder than I thought. Interested to see how the next few picks go. Stay healthy Albert! I tried to email Wiggs that it was his pick and I don't think it went out. Having some trouble with it lately. Perhaps someone else could... 10 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 10:23 As always, I am looking to pick up an extra first round pick. If anyone likes the depth that this draft has to offer and would be interested in moving down, send me an email. Also very interested in picking up a 2nd or 3rd round extra pick if you aren't interested in moving your first round. 11 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 10:48 i am looking to trade down from this pick. I dont want to move completely out of the 1st round, but would be willing to move down to about 5th overall. I would be looking to move my 1st, 2nd and 4th for your 1st 2nd and 4th, or something like that. if you are interested email me, if not i will pick in a couple hours. 12 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 12:22 How have you been going about leaving Q's in the past? I'm heading off to work soon (about 1:30pm eastern) I doubt it will come back to me and can check in a little at work. But my email hasn'nt been working. (outgoing). I'll try to run some kind of diagnostic while I'm gone, but my computer skills are very limited. Let me know if there's another way to leave Q's. Thanks. 13 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 12:31 You can email me a queue Jackhammer, (with my promise I won't open it until your pick is up) or you can email anyone else for that matter. But I think you should be ok for awhile, the picks aren't flowing like water.... 14 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 13:27 Dang...I guess it was too much to hope that Johan dropped down to 11... 15 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 13:28 True...he wouldn't have made it past me. 16 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 17:02 With the exception of the first 6 picks, this draft is going just how I had hoped... 17 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 18:00 oops almost forgot this started...heading out...will be back around 7pm central... 18 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 19:35 I think I have had 3 drafts going for several days now and haven't made a pick in any of them yet. Incredible! 19 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 19:43 6 hr clock right. Still have plently of time and I would hate to skip someone in the first rd, doubt that will happen. I was hoping for Utley. Now I need to make a decision. 20 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 19:55 Yeah, we can't skip anyone in the first round... its just good sportsmanship to make sure everyone knows we are up and running. Now if they disappear in the 3rd - screw 'em! :) 21 barilko6       ID: 54154167       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 20:07 I sent Golfreak an email letting him know his clock is fading.... 22 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 20:48 just curious, seeing if anyone wants to trade up a couple of spots. I will wait for a little bit 30 min and make the pick. 23 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 21:01 Guys, something came up for me so I won't be back to check the draft until around 6:00 AM EST. Just wanted to let everyone know so they don't continually check. Sorry... 24 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 21:06 I am around and will make my pick soon after art... 25 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 21:28 Alright guys....I am back for the night and can make my pick when I am up..lol 26 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 21:30 bleh...I need a minute...art just took my pick... 27 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 23:16 I'll be around to pick tomorrow at 9 AM EST. 28 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 06:28 Please call me when I'm up and I'll pick. 847-406-8084 Thanks Rob 29 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 09:55 Called Rob...he will pick shortly. Was hoping that Berkman would be there on the backswing for me... 30 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 10:02 I felt his 1B/OF eligibility made him extra valuable in this particular league (with the IF spot especially). I also have more options depending who falls on my next picks... I am happy with the choice after sleeping on it last night. Or not sleeping I guess. 31 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 10:02 Also thinking Carlos Lee to protect him won't hurt either! :) 33 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 12:01 barilko6 Just got home. Will send u a Q. Then off to bed for the day/nite or something. 34 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 12:19 Will make my pick in a few minutes... If I am ever sitting on the clock please email me...I check email often. 35 wazaaap_guy       ID: 6830712       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 12:42 i think wright was the obvious choice at my pick, but since i already had zimmerman, i just couldnt justify taking 2 3b in 3 picks. still, surprised wright didnt go in the first round. 36 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 13:45 I was hoping wright would slide one more spot. Taking trade offers. Will make pick in the next hour. 37 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 13:58 Yeah...I was debating between Miguel Tejada, David Wright and Grady Sizemore when Berkman went off the board. 38 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 15:31 Can't seem to find Pancho's email... please email if you are interested in trading down. And for any other offers, I have attached my personal email here. I will be home from now until Monday (having LASIK tomorrow, so not likely checking to much then). Like to get another pick here in the next 5 or so. 39 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 15:36 I'm here. For future reference, like this Saturday, Sunday, Monday, my cell is 801 608-0275. I'll pick in a few. 40 s R       ID: 861898       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 16:53 queue for round #3 sent to barilko6. 41 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 17:10 dam it, bay was my pick, i need to go back to the drawing board. 42 JH@work       ID: 131562019       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 20:12 Checking in guys, I see its back to me. Getting out of here shortly. Will make the picks around 9 eastern 43 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 23:15 Off to bed. Back tomorrow at 7:45am EST. 44 Great One       ID: 201155199       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 08:57 I'm gonna need to leave a que with someone if we don't get to me by noon... and it can't be Barilko cause his picks are right next to mine. 45 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 09:10 Anyone have a contact for Wolfer so he can re-pick? GO, I will be in and out all day, so you can send me a que. 46 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 10:31 Just got up. Will update cheetsheet and pick in 1/2hr. 47 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 11:51 I am here...give me a few minutes...art took my guy again...jerk ;-) 48 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 11:53 art has some nerve. I am still not talking to sR for taking bay from me. 49 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 11:57 Rollins and Abreu were on my short list for both of my last picks...I knew they wouldn't last long! 50 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 13:27 Give me a sec.... 51 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 17:25 Sorry for the delay guys, will pick in 2 minutes... 52 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 17:50 Looking to trade this pick, if anyone is interested in moving up. Please use the trade calculator and either have be equal or slightly in my favor. The players I were hoping that would fall didn't and the player I want, I should be able to get in the next rd. 53 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 19:59 wow, not a single trade yet? What is going on? maybe someone could one those great spreadsheets together that has what exact pick number has and the 2nd spreadsheet that has rosters for each team. I know we only have 4 or 5 players, but they help me. wow still no trades. Maybe I'll have to trade up in the 5th rd. 54 wolfer       ID: 181521817       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 21:06 I will make my pick shortly. 55 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 22:46 I'll make my pick in the next 30 min. 56 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 14:32 Home, will pick in 1/2hr 57 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 14:35 GF just sent you an email at the 5 clark addy, you still check that 58 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 15:01 want to move this pick. Please use the trade calculator and either have be equal or slightly in my favor. going to wait a couple of hours. 59 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 15:10 good luck trading a pick, i have tried this already and got 0 count em 0 responses. 60 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 15:54 art...if you could please pick before 6pm central (3hrs) as I will likely be out the rest of the night... 61 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 17:23 chicago, if you need to leave a queue, i will be around all night. 62 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 17:34 no response as well and have been out. will pick in the next 10 min. 63 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 18:10 Good draft so far, a lot of top tier SPs falling off the board. 64 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 19:03 cool looks like we are moving quick...I will check back in a couple hours... 65 Great One       ID: 201155199       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 19:36 Always moves quick on my end! lol... 66 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 23:50 I'll be leaving to drive to Phoenix from Salt Lake early in the morning. It's about a 10-11 hour drive, maybe longer with snow. I can leave a que for my next two picks, but then it's cell phone city. Who's up early on a Saturday, probably Eastern time for a que? Cell again - 801 608-0275, the voicemail greeting is my business, so don't be confused. Everyone have a good weekend, I'll be back Monday night, if all goes according to plan. 67 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 23:54 PV i will be around, not sure if you want to send it to me since we pick so close, but if youw ant i am here 68 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 09:42 Heading north to another store. Snow storm went through last nite and another big one coming tonite not sure if my cells web will work there. Will hit applebee @ noon and check in and then again @ 5. GF 69 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 09:54 I'll take ques too... 70 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 16:46 still amazed we haven't had a trade 71 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 18:05 i have to take my wifes mother back to the airport, be home in about 3 hours 72 wolfer       ID: 151162416       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 19:18 Re 68 We need to compare notes on this storm. 73 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 20:03 Wolfer Live in Stevens Point WI We got about 5-6 last nite. And are to get another 4-5 tonite. My Dad got 10 last nite and should be 6-8 tonite, he's up by Hayward. We lost power from 330pm-630. Was stressing it was my pick. ;P 74 wolfer       ID: 151162416       Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 22:43 I live south of La Crosse. Got 10 and change last night and at least that much tonight. 75 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 02:18 Sorry guys, a late one at work tonight. I'll pick in a minute 76 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 14:12 ART I would like your next pick. IF My 2 players are still there. Not sure where to find the trade calculator. Could you please tell me what it would cost me.Thanks. 77 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 14:33 GF, Here is the trade calculator link http://www.kffl.com/draftanalyzer/index.php If my player is still on the board, I won't make the trade. you can send me an email to morgan.boyack@unco.edu 78 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 15:46 Off to work, wont be home till around 1130-1200 tonite. Can check my cell @ work could some please email when Im up and who the last 2 pick were. THANKS!. Will check every hour. GF 79 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 15:46 ART I cant figure out the calculator, ran out of time maybe next round. 80 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 15:53 I gotta be honest, I for one think the trade calculator is useless (unless you are just using it for yourself to guage a trade). If I wanna make a trade, I don't care what that thing says if I think its gonna help my team. Every situation is different. I think its part of the reason trades are so difficult in this league. Its a pain in the arse... from the site - Explanation and Instructions The trade Analyzer works by using a formula that assigns a value to every pick of a draft. The formula works through 352 picks. This Analyzer is intended to be a tool in your decision process. As with any tool, use it as a guideline. There will be times when you will want to make a trade even when the Analyzer indicates that it might be a poor trade for you. And other times you might want to decline a trade that the Analyzer indicates is a good trade. So if its just a guideline, I don't understand why we have to be tied to it. I'm gonna propose for next year that we scrap it. 81 ChicagoTRS       ID: 96102422       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 20:00 I think the rules regarding the trade analyzer leave a lot of room to make almost any sort of trade. The initial thought behind it was only to protect against very lopsided trades. • Trades involving the highest draft pick in the first 5 rounds, the trade must be within 1000 points using the draft calculator • Trades involving the highest draft pick in rounds 6-15, the trade must be within 500 points using the draft calculator • Trades involving the highest draft pick in rounds 16-27, the trade must be within 100 points using the draft calculator With those type point differentials it would disallow very few trades. I agree that it makes sense to sometimes make trades where the analyzer says you are giving up more than you are receiving. The analyzer is just a tool...up to the managers to decide how much importance they assign to it... 82 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 20:36 Actually, in the past I have found this league to have MORE trades of draft picks during the season, although that is probably due to the lack of keepers. Last year I made about 6 draft trades, and the year before I made 3 or so, and I remember you made a slew of them as well GO! I just see so many players with value that I haven't seen a need to jump to get one just yet... 83 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 03:59 Sorry guys. Long nite!!! Was hoping someone would have emailed me. (post 78) Cant check ROTO at work. Should have left a q. Sorry again. GF 84 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 04:22 I pretty much live with my cell so if its my pick please text me @ 715-630-6367 or goto this website http://www.alltel.com/text_messaging/ Thanks GF 85 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 13:21 Well, it won't stop me from trading, cause I have nothing but free time! lol... On another note, anyone finding great difficulty in finding players worth picking as farmers who aren't in the Yahoo database? I am picking guys that were just drafted a year ago and haven't gotten above Double-A -- and they are in the database.. its quite a struggle. Can I start picking high school kids? this kid from my hometown is a lefty and can really bring the heat! :) 86 artforthehall       ID: 81151623       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 13:30 sorry will pick shortly 87 ChicagoTRS       ID: 19020214       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 14:12 here...will pick shortly... 88 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 15:51 looks like its back 89 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 15:53 one sec will pick soon 90 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 17:00 Back after driving 1400 miles and working 10 in the last 3 days. Fortunately, except for about 50 miles on the way down, the roads were OK. Thanks to Wiggs for handling my picks. 91 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 17:24 no problem pv. Anytime. 92 artforthehall       ID: 231412614       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 20:14 Does anyone have one of those great spreadsheets from the past, that has each teams players, by position? it would be great if it was posted or emailed. I'll just say I am too lazy to do it. 93 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 20:22 I am just using pen and paper, Art... 94 wazaaap_guy       ID: 11118812       Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 20:34 sorry about the delay guys, wont happen again. 95 artforthehall       ID: 231412614       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 01:04 sorry, for the mistake and the hold up. thanks for waiting wg. 96 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 07:50 Art, After I stopped the draft, I noticed that you picked twice with pick 8.06. Can you please delete the Dice-K pick so that we aren't all really confused? 97 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 09:30 ART I will be sending you a updated Q for my next pick. Will be heading in to work around 1, so will send it to you before I head in. Also will you be around for the weekend? Will be heading up North on Fri to hit the sleds. And my dad doesn't have the net. And my cell doesn't always work in all areas. Was wondering if I could leave a huge Q? Thanks again for the help. 98 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:01 Yeah...I will be out of the office from 8:30 until 5:30 tomorrow, so I am going to need to leave a queue with someone as well. Will wait to see how things progress until then. 99 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:20 Hey there all... I just registered the league with Yahoo and I need you all to get in to register. League Name: Lucky 13 League Pass: jwws First one in wins a $1 from RobJ. 100 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:21 Sorry, also: League ID #: 131489 101 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:24 GF, I will be around this weekend. I will delete my duplicate picks, sorry. 102 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:35 I apologize, I can't get in and delete my dup. pick. I deleted my cookies and I have a new id#. If anyone wants to tell me how to get my other id # back so I can delete the pick, please advise. 103 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:36 I can't delete my pick either, lol. I think you have to delete it from the same computer you posted it maybe? 104 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:49 lol @ post 99 105 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:50 it is the same computer, but from a different server, not sure. I think it has to do with the ID number and I guess I have used 3 different ID numbers. 106 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:56 Rob, you owe me a buck. Make it one of those good American ones too... 107 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:02 2 Things Surprise me: 1. How quick you guys are getting into the Yahoo league, already 7 managers in. 2. How Great One managed to name his team after my first instinct for password. I changed my mind when I thought, crap, well anyone could just guess that one. 108 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:16 I'd be willing to deal for the next pick. It would be like a 9.2/10.12 for 9.13/10.1 affair. 109 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:28 Still willing to trade (though I guess now it would be 9.4/10.10 for 9.13/10.1 110 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:50 Rob, Give me a minute or two. I need to make a spread to see what the people between 4 and 10 need. 111 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:51 Ok np 112 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 16:12 Rob - OK My 9.4/10.10 for your 9.13/10.1 113 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 16:18 Ok I'll pick in 1 sec. 114 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:31 What's intriguing about 2007 drafts in general is that there is a lot of gray area. It seems this year more than any, there is much more variance in where people are taken than based on last year. 115 barilko       ID: 391342117       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:50 When Art made GF's pick, did he realize he was next on the clock? lol 116 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:51 I'll make my pick shortly. 117 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 20:42 draft seems to be moving faster this year. 118 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:19 one person always seemed to slow it last year... will pick in a sec... 119 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:53 I am coaching a Grade 8 basketball team all day tomorrow. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me out with text messages and then receiving a call from me when I am on the clock? Send me an email if you can help out...(preferably not RobJ or GreatOne, as they are on the same turn as me) Thanks 120 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 22:09 barilko i can help you out i will be around all day. email me 121 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 07:34 Thanks Wiggs...email on its way 122 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:14 I'll pick in the next 30min. 123 s R       ID: 861898       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:49 Wiggs, email sent with my queue 124 wiggs       ID: 511522814       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:53 got it SR 125 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 18:44 Has anyone heard from or emailed JackHammers...it's been 6 hrs? 126 barilko       ID: 391342117       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 18:51 I've heard nothing at all... I know he mentioned that his internet access is limited, but I thought he said his evenings were limited. 127 GF@work       ID: 51362819       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 20:36 Testing! avoidwebsense.com Can the MAN track this back to my cp? 6 in store and 1 in my office. Or will it just blocked someday? Should i use other cp so it not as easy to track back to me. 128 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:01 Sorry guys, you certainly are gentlemen. Couldn't get on here this morning, couldn't get away at work. Very sorry. Thanks Wiggs 129 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:01 barilko I just emailed you a 2 player queue. Sorry I didn't ask about it before, but I'd assumed I'd have time to make my pick before I went offline. If they get chosen before my pick I'll just have to make it early in the AM tomorrow. 130 GF@work       ID: 591162820       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:16 testing. Processing center CP 131 GF@work       ID: 231172820       Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:17 testing. Processing center CP 132 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 07:37 I'm back online and will make my pick when up. Thanks. 133 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 07:39 which is now...duh! 134 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:45 I'll pick relatively soon. 135 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:11 pick again...you have a dup... 136 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:14 ok 137 artforthehall       ID: 55120279       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 16:35 I have a que from GF from his previous pick, but I am unsure if wants me to use it again. I am going to give him 2-3 hours before I make his pick 138 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:23 thanks ART. Will send you an updated Q Friday. I should be home till FRI @ 2pm then heading North. Maybe, we are have a good storm right now. 139 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:25 GF...please repick...Vaz is a dup... 140 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:26 repick again...Shields was going to be my next pick ;-) 141 barilko       ID: 1125116       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:28 Hey...can those that haven't signed up for the Yahoo league please do so, then I can start entering rosters. Info in posts 99 and 100 Thanks! 142 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:32 Was wonder why I couldnt find Vaz! He was already marked off cheetsheet. 143 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:34 Is it ok to delete my Vaz post? Or does commish have to see it 1st? 144 barilko       ID: 1125116       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:44 Go ahead and delete it...it was a duplicate pick, no worries. I just need Wiggs and sR to sign into Yahoo I believe... 145 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 18:37 barilko--ok if I send you a queue? 146 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 18:44 sorry...i had to run quickly and won't be back till 10:30 est...sorry for not asking earlier. sent a 2 player queue (from my work email) to ChicagoTRS and barilko. if neither get it/check I'll be back online by 10:30 Thanks! 147 wazaaap_guy       ID: 11118812       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 19:57 have we started a yahoo league for this league already? 148 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 20:07 wg...see post #141 149 barilko       ID: 1125116       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 20:08 re 147: re 99, 100, 141 and 144 lol I am here all night because of the snowstorm to take queues. Is it just me, or is Chicago TRS still on the clock? 150 barilko       ID: 1125116       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 20:09 Wait...no, we are going up the chart...Wolfer is on the clock, my bad. 151 darkside       ID: 181035120       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 22:21 I'm here. 152 wolfer       ID: 2217121       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 22:22 Pick made. 153 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 22:54 Barilko Has anyone been paid in Mike Singletary league? Just wondering if I missed a email or something. thanks 154 barilko6       ID: 4422327       Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 08:24 Not sure... Let me check with Frick, as he was the treasurer... 155 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 09:36 Jack, sent you a 2 man Q for next picks. I'll check in later 156 s R       ID: 861898       Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 16:21 Barilko, short que sent. 157 GolfFreak       ID: 1511301117       Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 21:45 Ugh. Not a Bonds fan at all, but just couldn't help and take a chance on him this late. 158 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 11:46 Art We are heading up North now will send you a Q. Thanks Man 159 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 13:35 barilko/TRS, how many rounds is this thing? its says 27 with the two farmers... but 26 man rosters. I am kind of confused by this. I am slow sometimes :) 160 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 14:30 GO I am slow sometimes :) Too much Velvet Underground in your younger years :) 161 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 15:42 here- so don't go skipping me or anything like that lol 162 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:04 GO....27 rounds - 2 rounds for farmers = 25players + 1Keeper = 26 man rosters. 163 wazaaap_guy       ID: 4411563023       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:05 im sorry i have to ask again, but what rounds are eligible for keepers? 164 wazaaap_guy       ID: 4411563023       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:14 nevermind, 14-27 right? 165 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:22 14-27 166 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 18:17 The keeper, I forgot the keeper! PV - Heck yeah... "Away from the big city Where a man cannot be free Of all the evils of this town And of himself and those around Oh, and I guess that I just don't know Oh, and I guess that I just don't know 167 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 09:24 I'm off to the ski slopes in a few minutes. Anyone up for a Que? 168 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 09:45 sure... 169 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 17:54 Back home, will make my next pick. 170 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 09:36 ART Thanks again for all your help. WIll send you a new Q for picks 16 and and on. Thanks again. 171 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 10:19 here...will pick in ~30 minutes... 172 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:11 still considering my next pick. 173 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:12 Rob...Hughes is a farmer keeper, you need to repick. 174 artforthehall       ID: 55239117       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 15:58 I haven't seen a que from GF. We have to wait for a bit. 175 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 16:33 Figures I'm finally thinking I'll get Johjima when it gets back to me and then GF snags him. I've had him queued up for 2 rounds but kept hoping he'd slip to me. Hopefully I have or will repay the favor! 176 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 16:48 I managed to leave all my files at home...I'll make my pick once I'm there...about 1.5 hrs. Sorry! 177 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 17:01 Can anybody take a Q? I'm 4 away but I'm getting out of here for a while 178 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 17:36 I will be around all evening...can take a Q 179 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:02 Wiggs officially times out at 3:08. He's made a couple posts in other threads since he has been on the clock, so I am guessing he didn't realize he was up. I've sent him an email. 180 Great One       ID: 201155199       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 20:04 Anyone interested in Jay Bruce, OF, CIN, Farmer? I'd move him for a mid-round pick in next years draft. 181 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:39 bleh this thing is grinding to a halt...queues are your friend... 182 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:40 btw no trading future draft picks... 183 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:54 I have a 6:30 AM(MST) flight tomorrow, and will be out of commission until tomorrow night. I'm amazed it didn't get back to me today after I made my pick at 5AM this morning. Now I'll have to leave a que. Any takers? 184 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 23:02 can always take queues... 185 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 02:36 Tony- Great pick w/ Crede 186 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:09 i emailed wiggs...clock should be getting short... 187 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:18 Yeah, 5 picks yesterday is pretty bad. It's nice that we're so far along, but I'd like to get this put to bed so I can focus on the other drafts! 188 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:29 Yeah...this end turn of the draft has been stalled pretty bad... Lets see if we can make things up today! 189 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 11:30 This could be our 3rd timed out pick in a row....sigh... 190 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 15:29 I am heading out soon until 10:00 pm. Anyone in the top half of the draft around to take a queue for my next two picks? 191 barilko6       ID: 1925746       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 15:43 Alright, well I am heading out. Will be back to check in around 10:00 pm EST. You can call me at 416-333-9335 if my pick comes sooner than that. 192 Rob J       ID: 570581013       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 17:34 Nice pick with Duffy by the way- looks like draft is moving pretty good now. I know that barilko and GO are always pretty quick so I'll hang around for awhile. 193 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 17:42 someone should call barilko...see post 191... 194 Great One       ID: 201155199       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:49 callin... 195 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 07:50 Why did artforthehall pick before ChicagoTRS? Was there a trade I missed? 196 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:41 stop...i got skipped...will make my pick in a few minutes...and will correct things...should not be a problem as I am not interested in either of the picks made out of turn. 197 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:19 farmers: if your retained farmers are now in the Yahoo database...plan on drafting a farmer in this draft to replace them as they will need to be on your roster on opening day. 198 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:36 But then we still get to keep that farmer again for next season, right? Example...I have Alex Gordon as my farmer hitter from last year. The rule is that you get to keep him for the season you call him up and then again the next year. So that means because I am calling up Alex Gordon for this year, I also get to keep him for 2008, correct? 199 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:44 yes...that was the intention as long as he had zero major league time last year this would count as his callup year and he would still be eligible for next year. I guess I have to think about this a little more...because if you draft another farmer this year and he gets called up I do not think you should be able to retain the two hitters for next year... so maybe we shouldn't allow you to draft another farmer? or we just say you can only have three retainers total...one farmer hitter...one farmer pitcher...one drafted keeper. if you have more than one eligible in a spot you just have to make a choice... open to debate... 200 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:52 so maybe we shouldn't allow you to draft another farmer? or we just say you can only have three retainers total...one farmer hitter...one farmer pitcher...one drafted keeper. if you have more than one eligible in a spot you just have to make a choice... I like this scenario the best. 201 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:00 That is the way I would lean is to allow you to draft another farmer...and if you find yourself in the spot of having two eligible farmers that could be retained you need to choose one. Up to the manager to be smart about drafting...if you already know you are likely to keep someone like Gordon for the next two years you are better off drafting a single A type player so he is possibly ready in two years instead of this year or next. 202 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:04 Yeah, my thinking was that I had to keep Gordon as my hitter farmer, and then call him up when the season starts, thus he would ultimately be replacing one of the guys I drafted. 203 artforthehall       ID: 20212723       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:03 sorry about skipping you chicago. Doing things from the handheld are not the easiest thing and search option 204 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:08 no biggie...I am happy to just keep the draft moving 205 JH@work       ID: 131562019       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:59 checking in, will pick in a few 206 Pancho Villa       ID: 37154320       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:52 As I understand it, we are now on a 4 hour clock(starting round 20). Tomorrow, I will be spending a week with my family on a ski vacation in Park City. My cell works up there, but I'm not sure if there's an internet line to the condo. Bottom line: I may have only cell phone access until Thursday morning. And I doubt I'll have my cheats with me if I'm on a chairlift or a tram. Thankfully, we're at a point in the draft where picks aren't critical, but they're all important. I could e-mail someone about 15 names, and when that runs out call me and let me know. I'm open to ideas. 207 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 21:15 PV: I could take a queue, or call you, whichever you'd prefer. 208 Great One       ID: 201155199       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 21:43 Crap, I'm gone all day tomorrow. Someone on this end of the draft I can leave a lengthy que with? 209 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 22:38 I am around all weekend... 210 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 08:26 gonna send it to wiggs and PV cause they don't go again before my 2 picks. TRS - you can also call me if they don't appear to be around, I'll email my cell to you. hopefully there is reception at King of Prussia. 211 wazaaap_guy       ID: 4411563023       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:38 re pick 21.02... pretty sure andrew miller has been in the yahoo game from the beginning, since he pitched last year... he was picked as a farmer though. 212 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 18:17 Yes, he is definitely in Yahoo, so he cannot be a farmer. 213 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 10:54 You know I just noticed that. I assumed Wiggs picked Adam Miller from Cleveland, but then I saw Art pick him I did a double-take. I am here now and picking shortly. 214 Great One       ID: 201155199       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 10:59 Alright, I drafted Billy Butler as a farmer (already have Bruce). Butler has an outside chance at making the opening day roster. If that happens that would cost him his farmer status and obviously I'd lose him. If he doesn't - then I'll be looking to trade Jay Bruce. Based on last year, I just need to have my farmer situation straightened out by opening day. And if anyone wants Bruce now (and frankly, their isn't another hitter farmer close to him available) let me know and either trade me a pick or give me a pick of a couple pitchers, I need a few more pitchers... 215 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 10:10 will pick in 15 minutes... 216 artforthehall       ID: 572321023       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 12:28 gf did not leave me a que here. 217 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:15 The clock is now at 4 hours meaning both GF and wolfer are nearly timed out. We need to keep this going. 218 wolfer       ID: 182501218       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:52 I will pick shortly. 219 wolfer       ID: 182501218       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:01 I forgot about the clock. 220 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:27 sR has now timed out. Wiggs is up. GF still needs to make up his missed pick. C'mon guys...we're close now! 221 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:34 Yeah...this thing has pretty much slowed to a stop. 222 s R       ID: 861898       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:34 sorry for the delay... 223 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:46 wiggs timed out at 10:35 this morning. we're now on JackHammers clock which will time out at 2:35pm EST. thanks for making your pick, sR. I hope I'm not pissing anyone off by doing this, but I'm really tired of this dragging on, and the rules are in place for a reason.... 224 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:01 I'll be picking shortly... 225 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:34 Wiggs...you were timed out, that is why you were skipped. When sR timed out, your clock started... 226 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:38 i guess so, i just thought I would wait for him to pick as we arent in that big of a hurry at this point. 227 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:43 whoops, posted in the wrong thread... That's just it, wiggs, I am in a hurry. I've got a ton of other things to do...several other drafts, mid-terms, work, life...I'm tired of constantly checking to see what's going on here only to find we've made 2 picks in a day. This is exactly why Tony put in the rules that the clock gets shortened at the 20th round. Otherwise this would be a 2 month draft--it has already been going on since Feb. 19. I'm ready to move on. 228 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:45 Sorry about that Wiggs. I should have at least emailed you. I didn't even realize I was on the clock until I looked in this thread. I've been holding things up in some other drafts, I didn't want to do it here 229 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:46 At least you only had your 22nd round pick skipped. I had my 1st round pick in the Gurukeepers skipped because I thought I was waiting on someone who was on vacation...doh...lol 230 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:47 thats true sorry man 231 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:48 It happens, my own fault...lol 232 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:53 wiggs - i may have posted it 8 minutes before you timed out (which is something you should have been aware of, it's not my job to keep track of these things) and it was still 3 hours before the next pick was made...that's almost an entire clock. you sound like you're blaming me and this is in no way my fault. 233 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:55 thats fine dark i got nothing more to say to you 234 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:59 good attitude. glad we're starting the season on such a positive note. 235 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:02 Ok...lets just move on. Darkside, thanks for keeping things moving, I do appreciate it. On a side note, I saw Danks and thought there was no way he could be a farmer, but he was...lol. Which reminded me that Wiggs, you still need to attend to Miller, who you picked as a farmer, but since he is in the system, he cannot be a farmer. 236 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:03 Also...if I am retaining Alex Gordon as a farmer, but plan to call him after one game into the season, do I need to draft another hitting farmer, or is Gordon it? 237 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:04 that didnt come out the way i wanted it to. i just mean you were pushing the clock on everyone, but never mentioned i was timing out. I honestly missed the 4 hour clock part. I thought it was 6, pick was at 935 so I thought he had til 935 this morning then I thoguht i had til 335 so i gave him some time. I have no hard feelings towards you, it isnt your fault and once again, i didnt mean it the way it came out, I just wanted to end this whole thing, being skipped didnt hurt me so it isnt a huge deal 238 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:07 Also...Great One technically has 2 hitter farmers drafted...is this allowed? 239 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:13 I appreciate your comment, wiggs. Thanks. Honestly, when I made that first post I didn't know you were going to time out 8 minutes later, but when I made the second post I'd figured it out, but didn't feel bad, since it was 2 hours later. Perhaps we should have had better communication...you should have said you were waiting and I should have been more explicit in when you timed out. My apologies. 240 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:14 Updates on Picks: The draft has 27 rounds, including all farmers etc. Keeping farmers will eliminate picks on the end of the draft, so keep in mind the following: Jackhammers does not have a pick in the 26th or 27th rounds. (Zumaya, Upton) Wiggs does not have a pick in the 27th round. (Billingsley) sR does not have a pick in the 27th round (Quentin) PV has all his picks Darkside does not have a pick in the 26th and 27th rounds (Young, Hughes) Wolfer does not have a pick in the 27th round (Hamels) Golfreak has all his picks ArtfortheHall has all his picks ChicagoTRS has all his picks WazzupGuy does not have a pick in the 27th round (Wood) Barilko6 does not have a pick in the 27th round (Gordon) Great One does not have a pick in the 27th round (Weaver) Rob J does not have a pick in the 27th round (D-Mat) 241 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:16 Since he's in Yahoo, I think you need to leave a spot for him (so one less round of the draft) and draft a hitter farmer. RE: Great One...I'm not sure, but I kinda don't think so. Maybe TRS can illuminate? 242 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:17 i dont see how it is ok to have 2 hitting prospects? I guess i didnt realize they would put someone in the system that is obviously not going to be starting the season in the bigs. What are my options? 243 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:19 ty darkside. my apologizes as well. 244 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:19 Wiggs...I think you can keep him on your roster if you wish as a regularly drafted player and then redraft another farmer. Or redraft another farmer and then replace Miller when the draft is over, and not waste your farmer designation. Any other suggestions? 245 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:19 i guess i will just do that 246 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:19 wow missing all of the action... If the player is in Yahoo then he is just like any other major league player...keep him on your roster but he is not a farmer... (Miller) For Great One who has drafted two farmer hitters...he needs to either trade one before the end of the draft or at the end of the draft he will need to choose which he is going to actually use in his farmer spot. It is kind of unfair that noone else had a chance to draft the FH but he is also wasting a mid round pick taking two FHs so it balances out. For players like Gordon and Matsuzaka who were farmers last year but are now in the Yahoo database...if you are going to retain for this year...they will fill your farmer spot for now and you must put them on your roster at the start of the season. You do not get to draft a farmer in their position this year. I considered letting people draft a replacement this year but I do not want the case where next year you may have two/four farmer hitters/pitchers that could be retained. The clock...it is there for a purpose...it is up to the manager on the clock whether he wants to give a timed out person time to pick...personally I say it is the 20+ round and just pick to keep the draft moving...nothing that happens at this point in the draft is going to make that big of an impact. Think I covered everything... 247 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:27 one more thing... ArtfortheHall is on the clock from the end of Wolfers pick... GF was already skipped and has not made up his pick so he is skipped again w/out a 4 hour wait...he can make his picks whenever he arrives... 248 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:33 I emailed him to let him know he was skipped in case no one else had told him about being skipped the first time. 249 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:27 Trade Completed GO acquires... Jose Contreras, SP, CHI Pick 24.01 for Rob J acquires... Jay Bruce, OF, CIN FARMER Pick 25.12 250 artforthehall       ID: 572321023       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:45 i will pick shortly 251 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:02 SORRY Guys! Has been a wild six days. A Funeral (14hr drive each way)with my Dad and his two brothers, all in there 70's, then had to take out a long term employee and friend for theft. And then a two day conference in Chicago with boss. So very limited access, but gave ART a big Q and told him just to skip me if out, sorry for the delays.(In no way saying its ART fault, THANK YOU for all your help ART) I should have posted on board. So once again sorry. Some times life just throw you a left hook. 252 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:19 sometimes life is more important! no worries GF. 253 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:21 no biggie GF...glad everything is alright...not a big deal at this point in the draft... 254 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:22 btw...don't forget to make your picks for 22.7 and 23.7 ;-) 255 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:15 I should be able to get up 2date tonite and try to find my farmers as well. So just skip me. Thanks 256 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:58 Rob J - any idea if we should still use PV's queue? 257 Pancho Villa       ID: 42231410       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:05 I'm here, so I'll pick in a few when I get up to speed. 258 JH@work       ID: 131562019       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:22 If i understand correctly, this is my last pick (25.13) so I'm not picking twice here and Wiggs will be up again 259 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:23 Very true Jackhammers... Make sure everyone reads post 240 so they know when they actually have a draft pick, and when they don't. Also check post 1 in the draft thread to see if your team needs to draft a Farmer Hitter and/or a farmer pitcher to make sure your roster is complete. 260 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:24 NOT TRUE: The numbering was messed up. We're still in the 24th round, so make BOTH your picks, JH, then you'll be done! 261 JH@work       ID: 131562019       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:27 right, I see it 262 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:47 good catch on the numbering...I thought I had 3 picks left... 263 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:38 Did i mess up? 26 players on a team +2 farmers Or do i need one more pick and 2 farmers? Or need to drop one of my last pick and 2 farmers? Keeper: Ian Kinsler Needs to draft both Farmer Pitcher and Hitter 264 wolfer       ID: 182501218       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:05 Is my math right? Will the clock be stopped during my pick? 265 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:16 It is a 27 round draft. 25 players plus your keeper from last year, plus your 2 farmers. Since your keeper from last year doesn't need to be drafted, you draft 24 players and 2 farmers. 266 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:29 I plan on making my pick before I go to bed, then you'll be on the clock, wolfer, but it'll stop at 2am. 267 Pancho Villa       ID: 42231410       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:02 Sorry about the number screwup. I was supposed to be skiing again today, but there was just too much work I had to attend to, so I was trying to do 10 things at once. I am officially home again, so hopefully no more mistakes on my part. Thanks to Rob for handling my ques. 268 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:55 Your welcome and GF: would you trade J-Brox? 269 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 10:17 wolfer...your last pick was a dup... 270 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:47 Q anyone? 271 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:48 I am around until around 6 Can someone email wolfer at allnite1@yahoo.com to let him know of his duplicate pick? I have internet access but no email. 272 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:53 I just now sent him one. Can i just paste my q here? its just farmers. Or would that be bad? 273 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:58 you can send me a q or post it here... 274 GolfFreak       Leader       ID: 01730209       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:00 Thanks CHI ......sent 275 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:01 Either way GF....I am around if you want to send it to me. I also sent Wolfer an email as my email is back up. 276 wolfer       ID: 24148211       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:07 Re 275 You Did? I did not get it yet. 277 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:33 Yeah...I did...lol Maybe my email isn't working right just yet.... Pick again though Wolfer, Adenhart was my targeted farmer pitcher. 278 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:37 lol...isn't it strike 3 and you are out? 279 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:53 ctrl-f is your friend 280 wolfer       ID: 24148211       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:59 No comment. 281 for airallnite       ID: 11118812       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:59 barilko i think i got that email (airallnite1@yahoo.com) that was intended for wolfer. 282 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:18 Ah...that would explain why wolfer didn't get it...lol 283 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:43 Does anyone know Wazzup Guy's email? His clock is dwindling.... 284 wazaaap_guy       ID: 11118812       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:28 sorry, ive been around but for some reason didnt realize it was my turn. 285 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:39 Just a reminder that Darkside and Jackhammers don't have anymore picks in this draft. Also, can anyone take a queue for my last and final pick? 286 ChicagoTRS       ID: 19020214       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 17:00 i can take a q... barilko it would be good if you could update as people are done so we know to skip... 287 barilko6       ID: 290202915       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 17:25 I am out for the evening, but if people just take a quick check on this: (I will send you a queue) Jackhammers: Draft Complete. Wiggs does not have a pick in the 27th round. (Billingsley) sR does not have a pick in the 27th round (Quentin) PV has all his picks Darkside: Draft Complete Wolfer does not have a pick in the 27th round (Hamels) Golfreak has all his picks ArtfortheHall has all his picks ChicagoTRS has all his picks WazzupGuy does not have a pick in the 27th round (Wood) Barilko6 does not have a pick in the 27th round (Gordon) Great One does not have a pick in the 27th round (Weaver) Rob J does not have a pick in the 27th round (D-Mat) So most of us are finishing up our drafts in the 26th round. 288 Great One       ID: 201155199       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 18:05 Rob J has my next pick - so he has 3 picks in a row. Then I have my last pick of the draft after that. 289 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 19:15 Phew, so glad I'm finally done with this draft... it was fun but it took nearly a month lol! Good luck this season gentlemen... I will even throw in a prize for 1st place (1 Derek Jeter 2007 Topps Error Card with Geore Bush/ Mickey Mantle) 2nd place (1 $15 new pack of baseball cards) 290 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 07:48 Was looking over some of the picks and I think there may be a problem, unless I'm missing something. Rob J drafted Josh Hamilton. He's not in the Yahoo database, so he'd need to be a farmer. But, he's already got a farmer in Bruce, so I don't think he can have both. Am I correct in my thinking? 291 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:45 Remaining picks (I think): 26.06 ArtfortheHall 26.07 Golfreak 26.08 Wolfer 26.09 Pancho Villa 26.10 sR 26.11 wiggs 27.01 Pancho Villa 27.02 Golfreak 27.03 ArtfortheHall 27.04 ChicagoTRS 293 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:50 darkside...RobJ will just have to pick which player he wants to be his farmer (Bruce) and will have an open roster spot to open the season. Hamilton is just a wasted pick. There is probably a good chance Hamilton will make the Reds opening day roster and in that case as long as Yahoo adds him before the season RobJ can add him and retain his rights. 294 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:55 I'd only noticed because I gave some thought to making Hamilton my farmer and wondered if any others had as well... I wouldn't be surprised if he's added before the season starts. 295 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 19:46 I was curious if Sammy and Hamilton are potential farmers? 296 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 19:50 I mean, I just want to know when you have to officially declare Farmer hitter (is this right: within 5 days of when they're added to the database so long as Sosa/Hamilton conceivably arent added before opening day- unlikely I think but interesting.) I really didn't even intend on them being possible farmers but if anything it makes for a weird situation, the washed up ex big leauger trying to get some credit and the never was #1 draft pick josh hamilton coming back from his personal problems. 297 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 23:33 The rule states: "To qualify for farmer status they cannot be in the Yahoo database on opening day of the season." So yes I would say at this point Sammy and Hamilton are potential farmers. If neither are in the Yahoo database on opening day you have your pick of who you want to be your farmer...you would have to make that declaration opening day. By rule you should lose all of your draft rights to the players you do not select. I will likely amend this rule...to something like: "If a player makes the opening day roster whether he is in the Yahoo database or not he is not a farmer but you would retain rights to that player as a regular draft pick once he is added." I just hate relying on Yahoo and do not want people to lose their picks or kind of skirt the system on a bogus farmer like Sosa. 298 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 23:36 Remaining picks: 26.10 sR (timed out @ 2115 eastern) 26.11 wiggs (will time out @ 0115 eastern) 27.01 Pancho Villa 27.02 Golfreak 27.03 ArtfortheHall 27.04 ChicagoTRS 299 Pancho Villa       ID: 42231410       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 23:38 sR timed out hours ago. Anyone know how to contact him? I have one more pick, after wiggs, to put this draft to bed. 300 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:08 The rules clearly state that each team can only draft 1 farmer. With that in mind, there are two teams that have more than 1 player not in the Yahoo system. As acting commissioner, I am just going to rule that the teams that made the mistake of drafting an extra farmer will just lose the rights to the second player they chose and have their roster entered with an empty slot. When Joey Votto, Josh Hamilton, and Sammy Sosa get added to the Yahoo database, they are open to be selected by ANY manager in the league. Teams with double farmers: Art: Curtis Maybin and Joey Votto (Will not enter Joey Votto) Roster will have one empty slot. Rob J: Jay Bruce, Josh Hamilton, and Sammy Sosa. Will not enter Hamilton and Sosa. Roster will have 2 empty slots. Any thoughts or comments on this decision? (I will not enter the rosters until some discussion/consensus) 301 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:11 Also... Some of us have farmers who are currently in the Yahoo Database, due to keepers from last year, and recently added players to the database. You have 5 days into the season to call up these players or they will be open to any manager in the league, as to the Farmer rules posted by ChicagoTRS: 5) Once a player is called up you do need to add the player to your roster within (5 days) or you will lose the rights. It is not the job of anyone but yourself to watch for your farmers being called up. IF you miss your farmer being called up, or recently added to the database, and the 5 days pass, anyone may claim him away from you. (For noting purposes, I plan to add Alex Gordon as soon as the waiver wire pause expires) Also, don't claim your farmers during the 2 day waiver waiting time or you will lose your waiver priority on a guy that you already have rights to! 302 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:45 Just bumping this to see if anyone has thoughts on post 300. 303 darkside       ID: 571157298       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:58 Personally, I agree with 300, which is why I'd posted 294. But, in response to my post, TRS (post 297) suggested waiting till opening day to see if any of the players were added and not forcing the drafters to lose rights to them until that point. I don't think that's an unreasonable stance either. I'm a rules kinda guy. They're there for a reason and it's fairly clear as far as who qualifies as a farmer and how many we're allowed. So, I think 300 is the most fair way of going about things. That said, if the rest of the league wanted to approach it as TRS suggested I wouldn't be opposed to it. I think it would set a bad precedent if the rules weren't changed, but TRS goes on to say he thinks the rule should be amended. If that's the case, then I'd be fine with waiting till opening day to have art and Rob J lose the rights to those guys. 304 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:58 #300 If those players are added to Yahoo before the season starts I think those managers should retain rights to those players. See post #297 for my take on it... 305 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:03 I understand part of that. I guess my fear is that this would allow any managers to waste late round picks on various farmers, thus prohibiting these players to be picked up as farmers by other managers. It would be a good defensive technique by disqualify good farmers from being on other teams. 306 darkside       ID: 571157298       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:16 305 is also a concern of mine as I was considering picking up Hamilton as my farmer (but decided not to before Rob J picked him up). It is a special concernt this year, or so it seems, since (as Great One pointed out in post 85) there seem to be so many minor leaguers in the Yahoo database right now. Allowing managers to pick up multiple guys who, at the time of drafting qualify as farmers, reduces the number of worthwhile farmers left for others. But, the argument could be made that the drafter is paying a price in wasted draft picks, etc. I don't know. It is fairly clear that, as the rules stood at the time of drafting, no manager should be allowed more than 1 farmer, so now it's a matter of do we want to bend the rules because we see a need for a change and may as well make it now when some managers would be adversely affected if we did not change it? Given that I'm not terribly worried about the 3 farmers in question, I don't care. But, it is an issue that should be cleared up for next year. 307 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:20 Personally, I think this would be so much easier if a Farmer is simply defined as never played in a MLB game instead of relying on the Yahoo database which is so arbitrary. I mean a guy like Evan Longoria should be an awesome farmer for somebody. The guy just cracked AA ball... why the heck is he in the Yahoo database?! For no good reason. And it further dilutes the pool of good talent that really should be eligible in the spirit of this rule. 308 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:27 I agree with 307. Or I would even agree by going one step further stating that a farmer is anyone who qualifies as a rookie. Thinking on that, I like the 0 games played better, as rookies are prime draft candidates already. 309 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:30 Anyways, I am ok with the consensus on this issue. I just wanted to make sure that the conflict to the rules was addressed. I am out of here until late tonight, and then I will see what comments are here and possibly start the league then. 310 darkside       ID: 571157298       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:50 I also think 307 is a pretty good idea. 311 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:59 I can agree with #307...0 major league games... I guess it would still put a burden on managers who draft a farmer/0 major league player that was already in yahoo as then they would need to have the player fill a roster spot all year. 312 darkside       ID: 181035120       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:14 Could we not also change the rule to state that as soon as they play in 1 game they have 5 days to pick them up? Basically just replace 'when added to the Yahoo database' to 'when they play their first game'. 313 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:42 I don't think they have to have them on their roster, if a guy hasn't played a game he isn't gonna sort to the top of anyone's statistical searches and so they wouldn't pick them up without thinking (this is why the rookie designation could get messy, say some rookie has a hot opening week, he sorts up into the middle fo the stats and you casually pick him up). So if I go and search out Phillip Hughes, Evan Longoria, Alex Gordon etc - I already know who he is and why I am after him. So common sense would dictate I would just check the Farmer list to see if anyone else had him already for the same reason. 314 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:46 If I was commish I would rather force them to be rostered...it just avoids problems...we have very deep benches in this league anyway. We have had problems in the past with people choosing other players farmers when they are added to the DB...people just do not check. Well we can table this discussion until next year...but I like the 0 game rule and I think if they are in yahoo they should be rostered...maybe we add one more bench spot but I kind of lean towards leaving the benches as is as they are already very deep. 315 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:06 I like the 0 games. If you want to pick someone already in the database, you just have to keep him on the roster. If you want to pick someone from AA ball, then you don't have to use a roster spot. Fair enough for me. Question still remains, are we going to alter our rules this year to allow the 2 teams to have extra farmers? 316 Pancho Villa       ID: 42231410       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:13 The Politics League has thresholds that farmers must reach before they must either be added or lost. Although I think they're too high(300 career at bats, 125 career innings, it does allow for some MLB history before either adding or losing. Food for thought for next year. Relying on the Yahoo database sucks. 317 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 08:43 Alright, well there doesn't seem to be too much of an objection to the farmers, so I will just enter the rosters as of 9:00 am this morning. 318 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:07 I think they should just have to declare which is their farmer by opening day. A guy like Sosa should be added by/on opening day, so just let him hold on to him. 319 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:28 Alright...everything is entered, and the 2 day waiver wait has begun! 320 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:29 Did anyone create a spreadsheet with all of the teams on it in excel? I have a paper copy, but would love an excel copy. 321 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:37 I just put one together about a week ago. It's not complete, but it's mostly there. Emailed to aol account. 322 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:47 barilko...I have one just have to add the last round or two...I will see about completing it tonight... 323 artforthehall       ID: 572321023       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 14:55 I really fine with whatever happens with teams that have multiply farm players, but I guess I don't see the big deal. I disagree with Great One that any team should have to declare which farmer is their farmer by opening day, I believe we both have declared who are farmers are and we should have to declare in draft. I am not sure how many current farm players will be added to the yahoo database before opening day and if my farmer is added by opening day, I can't switch farmers, just because I drafted another player that could be considered a farmer. I am not expecting any different treatment because I drafted another player that is considered a farmer. I took a gamble, hoping he will make it this year and if he doesn't I wasted a roster spot and draft pick. 324 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:11 I think then, that the question is whether we are allowed to draft more than one farmer eligible player, as you did. I can see it interpreted either way (than you can and that you cannot). If you are allowed to, that could severely reduce the number of 'quality' farmers available to others (but that just means we'd have to spend higher picks...). The most important rules regard this, IMO, are (from post 1): • Farmer = player not in the Yahoo! Database at the start of the season and must qualify as a rookie (minimal major league experience) • Drafted in any round of the draft • Each team is allowed one farmer pitcher and one farmer hitter Honestly, to me, I read that as we can only draft one. But, from post two, the talk about opening day could lead to a different interpretation: 3) To qualify for farmer status they cannot be in the Yahoo database on opening day of the season. *I understand this puts an extra burden on the managers and there is a chance you will draft a player with the intention of him being a farmer only to have that player make the opening day roster...in this case the player will lose farmer status and you can keep the player but not as a farmer...in this case I will allow you to choose a replacement farmer* As I said, I think the intent is for you to only draft one farmer, but that's my interpretation. 325 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:04 Well I can clarify the intent... #1 Because of this rule: "Farmer = player not in the Yahoo! Database at the start of the season and must qualify as a rookie (minimal major league experience)" - Sosa cannot be a farmer whether he is added to Yahoo or not. When I was commish I would allow the team that drafted him to retain rights to him even if he is not in the Yahoo database at the start of the season as long as they leave an open roster spot for him. (I made a similar decision with Clemens last year or the year before when his status was unknown). Hamilton is a different story...if he opens the season in the minors he is clearly a farmer and the person who drafted him would need to make a choice of which farmer to keep. As far as drafting multiple farmers...I simply did not consider this at all. I still think it is a bad decision to do this as I think it hurts the team doing this more than it hurts other teams. The expense of wasting draft picks should far out weigh a couple farmers no longer being available. So I would lean towards allowing teams to draft multiple farmers if they want. I do not really see it as a big detriment to the rest of the league as there are litterally 100s of top prospects to choose from and we only choose 24 + a few more if people make multiple farmer picks. I will revise these rules for next year to try and clear up things. Hopefully I will be in a better position to reassume the commissioner duties. 326 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:42 It works for me. I hardly think that the guys in question are going to set this league on fire this year or the next. I do like the Zero games played thought for farmers for next year. Check your rosters on Yahoo to see if I made any mistakes. Also, remember, you have 5 days into the 2007 season to add farmers that are already in the Yahoo database, and it is up to each manager to check their own farmer status. After the 5 days, you lose all rights to those players. Chicago, I would love that spreadsheet, send it over, and I will check off keepers and farmers throughout the season so we have a definitive list of who is available to be kept for 2008. 327 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 18:01 Sounds good to me. 328 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 18:48 Sounds good to me. 330 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:41 Farmers: Daisuke Matsuzaka, SP, Bos Jay Bruce OF, Cin 331 Rob J       ID: 49214821       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:47 (After all that drama LOL :-) 332 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:00 Dice K is in the Yahoo database. He musta just been added because he's on waivers till the 23rd. 333 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:01 Actually the waivers are because barilko just released players, I assume. 334 ChicagoTRS       ID: 249542719       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:02 Dice K was drafted as a farmer last year...so that is why he is Rob Js farmer. 335 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:08 Oh that's right...I forgot. We already had this discussion w/ Gordon (IIRC). Those are really good farmers to have since they'll get 2 full years. I hope Hughes gets called up early so I can get a good bit of this year with him. 336 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:48 Yeah...it will be nice to have Gordon for 2 full years. Provided he does well! Remember, do a CTRL-F in the draft thread before claiming anyone that seems too good to be true! (D-Mat, Alex Gordon, etc.) 337 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:29 Jack...sent you the the spreadsheet... If anyone else wants a copy shoot me an email...an excel spreadsheet of each teams drafted rosters...farmers...by position... 338 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 09:29 Thanks Tony...looks great! 339 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 14:26 With Papelbon moving back to the bullpen, I am looking to trade a hitter for some starting pitching. Anyone have an extra pitcher? Send me an offer 340 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 09:05 Ok...ArtofMonk has added a player, so now he HAS to make notice of which farmer hitter he is planning on releasing. 341 artforthehall       ID: 372462222       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 10:08 sticking with Maybin as my farmer 342 barilko6       ID: 2825597       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 10:13 Maybin is going to be very good someday. I watched him a couple times during Spring Training this year and was wowed. If I had needed another hitting farmer this year, Maybin would have went in the 18th round or so. 343 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 22:05 Andrew Miller is in the Yahoo database. In fact, he may have been in when we were drafting. He got called up and pitched 10 innings last year. Either way, he's not eligible as a farmer. 344 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 12:37 FARMER UPDATE: Wiggs has lost farmer rights on Andy LaRoche who has been in the Yahoo database since the first game of the season. The 5 day waiting period has passed, meaning he may be claimed by anyone. If anyone else sees a farmer claim lapse, post it here so that we have it documented for next season. 345 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 12:54 I don't get it, I always suck in this league (and the Elimination Chamber) Every other league I compete, but this damn thing... Barilko, you wanna post that updated list of farmers in the Commish Notes? 346 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 12:57 This is stupid 347 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 13:57 Yeah I can do that Great One. Wiggs, care to expand on that? lol 348 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 14:12 Farmers: sR: Clay Buchholz, P, Hunter Pence, Hitter Pancho: Kevin Mellilo, Hitter, Ian Kennedy, Pitcher Chicago: Yovani Gallardo, P, Jose Tabata, Hitter Barilko6: Alex Gordon, Hitter, Scott Elbert, Pitcher Golfreak: BRENT LILLIBRIDGE, Hitter, Matt Harrison, Pitcher Wolfer: NICK ADENHART, Pitcher, Ryan Braun Hitter Darkside: Reid Brignac, hitter, Phil Hughes, Pitcher Wiggs: FRANKLIN MORALES, Pitcher, Andy LaRoche, Hitter Jackhammers: John Danks, Pitcher, Justin Upton, Hitter ArtfortheHall: Cameron Maybin, Hitter, Adam Miller, Pitcher GreatOne: Jeff Samardijza, Pitcher, Billy Butler, Hitter WazzupGuy: Clayton Kershaw, Pitcher, Brandon Wood, hitter RobJ: Daisuke Matsuzaka, PItcher, Jay Bruce, Hitter 349 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 15:26 So do I have to bring up Danks? 350 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 15:28 he is in the database, but he didnt make the team. The whole in the database idea is stupid. Why would i ever look for a guy who isnt even on a major league roster. I obviously dont have the time for the league if it means checking every day for players not even on a team. 351 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 15:41 Well instead of just typing out a single line, "This is stupid", I think it would be more constructive to talk about the process and your desire to change it, like you did in your second post. I definitely agree that our farmer system is flawed and we talked about that during the preseason. I would love to hear alternative suggestions, understanding that ChicagoTRS is still pretty much the Commish here. 352 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 16:03 what was stupid is that there was no warning at all that he was even in the database. I never looked for him, knowing he didnt make a major league team. then there is a post saying i lost him because i didnt pick him up. 353 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 16:37 I stated in post 326 that there were already some farmers listed in the Yahoo Database. 354 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 18:26 LaRoche was added to the database on Feb 13, so in actuality you drafted a player who wasn't eligible to be a farmer and it must have been overlooked by everyone else. 355 Great One       ID: 201155199       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 19:29 We loosely discussed changing the ruling from "in the yahoo database" to MLB experience which I think is pretty good. Should we vote to see if that should be official? 356 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 19:35 Not now. It would have completely changed who I drafted as a farmer. Or, if we did vote, it would need to be understood that the rules wouldn't change until next year. 357 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 22:10 so yahoo throws a random guy into the data base, but the player never plays an inning you lose the rights to that guy. that makes no sense. 358 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 22:28 Wiggs, I think that is a consideration that should have been made at the time you drafted that player. As Darkside pointed out, LaRoche was already in the database when you drafted him, and he slipped past us all. Before you draft a farmer, the first thing you should do is check with Yahoo to see his status. I agree with Darkside that any rule changes would have to be for 2008, but I agree that a change is needed. 359 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 22:29 wiggs...did you read post 354? YOU drafted a player as a farmer who wasn't eligible. The only fault that may not lie with you is that someone else didn't double check what you yourself should have checked. And...I think we agree that the rule needs changed, but we played with it ALL last season, the only thing different is who Yahoo put in the database prior to the start of the season and it seems they had the 'big' name prospects there. Regardless, you should have checked. End of story. If you had a problem w/ the rule that really should have been addressed prior to the start of the season. 360 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 22:40 it was never a problem before. Yahoo didnt have alex gordon or delmon young or brandon wood added last year, why would they add laroche this year, I didnt look for him because there was no reason to look for a guy who had no shot to make the opening day roster. Dark side, i dont know what your problem is with me, but you obviously have a problem. Everything i have said in this league you have a comment for it. I play alot of leagues with alot of these guys and we never have a problem. Why do you? 361 barilko6       ID: 52261810       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 22:50 Yeah...I don't know what Yahoo's thought process is with a bunch of these rookie players, it seems so random as to who is included and who isn't. This makes our need for change all that more important. I like the suggestion of the farmer being anyone who is a qualified rookie of the year candidate, or something along those lines. 362 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 23:01 I've only taken issue with you twice, wiggs. The first was when you timed out and said how stupid it was that you were skipped, and now because you say it's stupid that the rules are once again being applied to you. Both times I reacted more harshly than I should, but that's because I perceive your comments to be that of shirking your own responsibility in the matters. Each time you have created the situation (albeit for a kind reason w/ the timeout) and both times you tried to blame someone or something else. It's rubbed me the wrong way. But, that doesn't excuse the lack of respect I've shown and for that I do apologize. 363 Pancho Villa       ID: 42231410       Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 10:15 #349 I believe so. 364 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 10:59 Ok...we need an official ruling here I think... Some people have emailed me as to other farmers that have had their eligibility expire with the 5 day rule. These include: John Danks Brandon Wood Andy LaRoche. According to the rules set up by Chicago last season, all three managers should lose their rights to these players. Do we want to grant mercy here as they players aren't even on rosters? Thoughts? 365 Great One       Sustainer       ID: 053272014       Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 11:05 I say we change the rule right now to anyone who has played in 1 major league game. And yes grandfather those 3 in. 366 barilko6       ID: 33351010       Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 11:29 I am definitely ok with that thought process, but I think it needs to be pretty much unanimous for us to change a rule after the draft and season have already started. 367 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 15:25 You should really use the league thread to discuss this stuff...just happenedo look here today. I do plan on revising the farmer rules for next year. Likely...Farmers: 0 major league experience (or some very limited amount TBD) if the player is in the yahoo db you must roster him (will have to think about a time limit or warning system or something...because I do agree it seems Yahoo randomly adds players and if they are not in the bigs it is hard to recognize when they are added.) if retained farmers are traded they lose retention status (I do not want managers to be able to trade for a roster full of retainers) if you you have a retained farmer (like gordon or Dice K this year) that did not play in the bigs last year but is making an opening day roster they still fill your farmer slot this year (cannot draft a farmer). On the second year of retention you can draft another farmer. The above is the direction I am headed anyway...I am open to suggestions...the farmer thing is just supposed to add a positive element to the league...add some intrigue to the draft...give everyone else something to look at...I think we can come up with a set of rules that works for everyone. 368 ChicagoTRS       ID: 4110481415       Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 15:31 As for the farmers that have been added I would be for granting mercy and allowing people to roster their farmers now. The spirit of the 5 day rule is just to make sure people roster them and they do not sit on the open market for other people to claim. 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