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Game sites:     TSN Baseball     Swirve Baseball     Prog. Sports. Chall.     Sandbox     Yahoo! Baseball 0 Subject: RIBC AA Eastern League Chat Posted by: wiggs - [391102612] Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 13:16 Figured i would start a thread to chat about the draft or possible trades. 1 wiggs ID: 391102612 Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 13:17 I am looking to trade pick 1.06 and my 2nd pick for a different 1st and 2nd round pick. Anyone interested email me at <----- and we will deal. If I dont recieve anything i like i will pick around 4. 3 I Hate Philadelphia ID: 1104812 Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 13:48 I'm actually looking to trade A-rod and my 3rd round pick to receive someone elses first round pick and second round pick, but I was looking for someone a little further down to trade with. 4 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 14:09 Not sure the draft will come back to me, but I work midnights and heading to bed now. I'll be back at around 10pm Eastern. So if my pick comes up feel free to pass me and I'll pick when I wake up. If it doesn't come to me just ignore this. 5 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:16 sooo...anyone reach out to nerfherder? 6 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:39 Nope, I havent sent anything yet. It'd be good if we could all post e-mail links when we post, that we itll be easy to get ahold of each other. 7 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:40 I just made my pick. Since the clock hasnt started I didnt think it was a big deal. 8 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:40 Yeah, no biggie. I figure anything we get done before Wed. is just a bonus. 9 I Hate Philadelphia ID: 1104812 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:53 Yeah please email me if you ever se it is my turn and I haven't drafted yet. I get email service on my phone so I check that a lot more than I will be able to check the site 10 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:01 Hey guys, just one other thought, might be good to use our TEAM names as opposed to our rotoguru screen name. I usually go by Andyd, but I've been posting under Roll of Dice-K just so that people know what team is mine. Case in point, I couldnt figure out who Rheo was when he posted the other day. Just a thought, might keep things running smoother. 11 rheo ID: 444201319 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:02 sandwich statics I may post as mike sometimes. old name I used on here that sometimes pops up in the box and don't notice it's up. 12 Tree says GO2SLEEP ID: 29082512 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 14:01 my email... 13 philflyboy ID: 520591215 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:33 I check my email often so make sure you email me If I don't make my pick 14 Tree ID: 481302718 Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:54 man, i'll be psyched when the clock actually starts... 15 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 08:42 I'm 11th and just made my pick. One question, how did you guys bold the text on the draft forum? Everyone's text looks bold and mine doesnt. 16 Mikel ID: 49112206 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 08:47 To Bold. {B}Text{/B} replace the { and } with < and >. 17 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 08:54 ok, lets try this here... hey its bold! 18 I hate Philadelphia ID: 31141289 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 10:53 Wiggs you seem to be having some issues in your keeper leagues. If you guys end up needing new blood I'm open. 19 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:01 i emailed jackhammers to let him know he's up. maybe he's west coast or something? 20 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:06 cool Tree! The trick with these slow drafts seems to be to get a nice steady flow going. Man I'm ready for spring! I bought MLB 2k7 for my 360 last night, I'm doing a fantasy draft now, cant wait till its warm outside. 21 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:19 or something... we unofficially started sunday morning. three days later, i'm still waiting! LOL 22 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:18 soo...what is the time on the clock anyway? 4 hours? more? less? 23 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:22 we just can't get anything going here... Khahan wrote 4 hours on the league site, so I guess we can move on in 40 minutes... only 12 hours left untill your pick Tree... 24 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:30 Well, I picked at between 8:30 and 9am, so... I'm wondering what the deal is. Do we pick for him or just go past him? Khahan's explanation was a little unclear. 25 wiggs ID: 41152287 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:31 i have emailed jackhammers, i am also trying to get ahold of khanan from another league, if I get him i will ask about that as well. 26 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:35 What is the clock? 2 hours? 4 hours? 27 I hate Philadelphia ID: 31141289 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 12:36 This is slow even for a slow draft. Blue Hen keeps laughing at us. 28 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:04 My understanding is that it was four hours and then passed. So theoretically it should be on to the next pick now. 29 I hate Philadelphia ID: 31141289 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:06 Agreed I think Youngmans is on the clock now. Although jackhammers can make his pick whenever he comes back. 30 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:50 I think skipping someone's 1st round pick is not something to do lightly. We're not in any real hurry to draft before the season starts, are we? 31 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:57 R9 - normally i agree, but, to the best of my knowledge, there has not been one peep from jackhammers since he said "i'm in!" i'm a firm believer that when you get involved in a league, you need to pay attention. 32 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:59 R9 I agree with you completely, but we can't ignore the fact that at this pace this draft will end somewhere in july... apperantly there are a lot of guys here with limited access, even during the day, so we will have to start helping each other by using ques, because this is deffenetly not going the right way. 33 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:00 I tend to agree but the problem is rules are rules and they've been set out. Last thing you want is to bend it for someone and then later a similar situation will come up and people may wonder why they aren't entitled to the same bending of the rules. 34 wiggs ID: 55013307 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:04 i think we need to give him alittle more time. I am in other leagues with him and he is usually checking in quickly. 35 youngroman ID: 3751268 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:23 I am available for the next 5 hours. I give JackHammers at least one additional hour while I talk myself out of taking the player that I would take now. 36 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:26 Yeah, I vote letting him have more time. I think tonite or whenever Khahan reads this, he should make a ruling on what we do. I know its super frustrating when people dont pick within a certain amount of time, but we really shouldnt worry that we wont finish the draft. I say we wait, let the league commish make a ruling on Jackhammers and the rest of the league. Also, I dont see any posts by YoungRomans (next team) where he's chomping at the bit to go. 37 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:28 whoops, there you are Youngroman. It should be noted that JackHammers picked in the Lucky7 league as early as yesterday, so the dude is around. 38 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:36 I think tonite or whenever Khahan reads this, he should make a ruling on what we do. he already did. when he established the four hour time limit. 39 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:07 Anyone available to take a queue for my 1st pick? I'm on my way out soon for a bit. I'm not going to leave a queue for my 2nd pick but I'll be back online at 8 to 8:30 EST to make it (if it's back to me) Thanks 40 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:13 I can take your queue if you want. Sent me an e-mail. I'm at the 11 spot so I dunno if I'm too close to comfort to be a queue buddy, but let me know. 41 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:15 Queue sent. Thanks Dice. 42 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 16:15 no prob. 43 rheo ID: 531272815 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 16:30 Was able to sneak on a computer so I've made my pick. Gone now until 8 or so like I said before and I'll make my pick if it's back to me then. 44 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 16:48 When is the clock active? Does it turn off at night? I'm going to be out of pocket from 5 - 9. But at this rate I doubt the draft gets back to me anyway 45 youngroman ID: 3751268 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 17:03 from Khahan@yahoo-site: 4 hour window to draft. The ends get 5 hours. Clock runs from 8am EST until 11pm EST. 46 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 17:13 my bigger concern now is Jackhammer. skipping someone in the first two rounds could kill them for the season. that being said, there was plenty of advance notice that the draft began officially today, and it's been ongoing now since Sunday, so he had to have some idea, no? 47 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 17:32 If he times out, he times out. People can slow down their picks so the draft doesn't get too far ahead of Jackhammers. But we did have plenty of notice. However, in the future, if somebody times out, please do a place holder post for them. Don't just note it in your own. I can edit the place holder post and get his pick in when he makes it. Jackahammer, please email me your pick. 48 Mikel ID: 50839249 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 19:09 Odds are against the draft getting back to me tonight. I will be out for the remainder of the evening. I'll check back in at 7:00 a.m. EST. 49 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 19:54 It sucks that someone had to get skipped, especially in the first round. Yet, there's still plenty of second round guys who are worth of a late first round pick. I just dont want someone to drop out or not try because they didnt get the first round guy they wanted. 50 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 20:20 I'm here, just going to catch up and pick in a minute. 51 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:04 I'm not dropping out, its my fault 52 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:22 re:47 picks emailed 53 Tree ID: 501572817 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:30 i think we need to hold off on picking until those picks get posted... 54 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:35 I can post them if you like, I just don't know if I'm skipped in the first round. Whatever the case, I'll just build from here. I've been watching since the weekend. It just didn't get to me until today. Site must have been down this morning, couldn't get on before work to look.I'll take whatever medicine, It's nobody elses fault. Just let me know what to do from here. I'm just sorry I held things up. My team will be fine. 55 youngroman ID: 3751268 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:38 you can post your skipped pick for 1.12. I will then do my upcoming 2.04 and we can continue the draft with your 2.05 56 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 21:57 Cool man, good to hear everything's worked out! 57 Khahan ID: 59132245 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 06:56 que sent to wiggs. he has my cell if my que is empty for rounds 2/3. 58 Tree ID: 29082512 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 11:01 anyone have a contact for Nerfherder, as he times out in an hour? 59 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 11:50 Re: David Ortiz 1b Doesn't he have to be placed at Util? 60 khahan ID: 420331511 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 11:52 ortiz qualifies at 1st according to the yahoo database. 61 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 11:56 Nerf just posted his pick. 62 dror ID: 5283329 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:36 dammit wiggs... you stole my guy... I'm gonna need a few minutes 63 rheo ID: 444201319 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:49 I doubt the draft is going to come back to me but if it does I'm heading to bed and will be back online to check in at 9:30 or so. If my pick comes up at 8 or so please wait but if it's before that feel free to go ahead and I'll draft when I get up. 64 Tree ID: 29082512 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:50 weve been moving at a pretty solid clip...any chance you want to leave a queue? 65 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:00 Yeah nice pick Wiggs he was next on my queue as well. 66 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:04 Yeah, now we're rolling along! 67 i hate philadelphia ID: 360221120 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 19:45 Sorry khanan didn't realize rational were in order too. I'll try not to jump the gun in the future 68 rheo ID: 444201319 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 21:49 Guess I didn't need to leave a queue. Didn't see your post Tree. Hit bed as soon as I posted. 69 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 10:58 R9, you got an hour to pick! Also, does the clock run during the weekend too? 70 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 11:28 Just got back from class, I'll pick shortly. Nathan was my one-man queue of course though... ;) 71 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 11:33 Doesnt that seem to happen ALL the time! The guy just before you picks the guy you had lined up to take! 72 Tree ID: 29082512 Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 15:52 seems like Jackhammers timed out again... 73 youngroman ID: 3751268 Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 16:34 can we try to hold the rationales in order? I would suggest the following procedure if you are up: 1st post your rationale. this way the next manager sees that he will be up soon. if a rationale is missing simply post a placeholder for each missing rationale up to yours, so that a moderator can replace this posts later. after that simply post your pick if you missed out on one of your rationales, post it here in the discussion thread and a moderator can move it over. Thanks for your attention 74 Mikel ID: 2421839 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 10:40 I'm going out for a bit. I'll check back in around 2:00 p.m. EST. 75 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 10:43 Anyone going to be around? I'll leave a que if someone can take it. It's really tough to be the guy just after JackHammers. 76 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 12:03 He's really going to be falling behind now, but not much we can do... Is the clock running on weekends? 77 Tree ID: 3927312 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 13:52 is the clock on for the weekend? i hate to be a jerk, but man, i say we move on... 79 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 14:47 I've never had a clock running during the weekend in any league I ran. This one is no different. 80 Tree ID: 3927312 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 14:57 i was hoping we'd have a looser clock. it's rough when the same guy keeps holding things up.... 81 wiggs ID: 3622449 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 11:28 i will be picking in about 10 minutes, i just need to catch up my sheets. 82 dror ID: 5283329 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 11:37 I'm here too (holding my fingers really hard hoping that wiggs won't take my guy...) 83 Mikel ID: 32237410 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 11:39 I'm here too. At least for a little while. 84 I hate philadelphia ID: 290541416 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 12:02 what Wiggs said 85 dror ID: 5283329 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 14:51 Guys I'm gonna be out untill 10pm ET anyone want to take my que? (quickly please) 86 Tree ID: 1622149 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:01 here... 87 dror ID: 5283329 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:11 sent... thanks 88 Tree ID: 1622149 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:17 got it... weird. your name came in Hebrew in my email box... 89 Mikel ID: 32237410 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:39 I'm here but might need to leave a que in 20-30 mins. Any takers? 90 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:40 You can send me a list, I'll be here 91 Mikel ID: 32237410 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:52 2.14 Jimmy Rollins Jimmy really hadn't crossed my mind for my second round pick at first but as my pick drew closer and closer Rollins made more and more sense. Many of the big sluggers were flying off the board in the first and second rounds and once it was my turn none had slid down to me. Rollins is a guy who can give me 125+ runs, close to 40 SB's, 75 RBI, and 25 HR's (a big SLG helper). 92 Mikel ID: 32237410 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 16:15 Que Sent 93 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 07:13 anyone around to take a queue? if not I'll be up around 3 or 4 EST to make my pick. 94 philflyboy ID: 520591215 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 07:58 I will be around all day if you need help 95 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 08:04 queue sent, thanks. 96 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 09:02 2.13 Vernon Wells Not a steal by any means, since his OBP isn't up there with other picks this early, but the slugging and 15 extra SBs are nice. I haven't drafted a SB guy yet but I'm already up 30 in the category. 97 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:07 fwiw youngroman, I put Wagner with the top 3 you listed as the 4-man upper-tier. 98 Tree ID: 29082512 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:24 didn't realize i was up, since Astade had the wrong number in there. will pick in a few.. 99 philflyboy ID: 111012139 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:36 Sorry the wrong numbering started with me at 5.14 forgot to add the 4 100 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 15:42 mike is rheo aka sandwich statics on the 6.03 pick. used to use mike on here but thought I'd switch to something distinctive but mike keeps automatically popping up in the name field and forgot to change it. just thought I'd say something in case there was some confusion. 101 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 15:47 Mike... do you mean Alex Rios? If his real name is Jose, I apologize, I just wanted to catch a mistake quickly if that was the case. 102 youngroman ID: 3751268 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 15:48 R9 - I had 7 closers in the "first" tier: 1a) Nathan, K-Rod, Ryan - in that order 1b) Wagner 1c) Street Putz, Rivera - in no particular order there are still some closers left in my 2nd-tier. lets see how long they last. 103 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 16:10 Ugh, nothing like trying to grab a starting pitcher from the '80s. Sorry about that, been sick all weekend and not all there mentally. Corrected the pick on the board. Thanks 104 Mikel ID: 32237410 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 20:14 3.03 Michael Young, MI, Tex Michael Young has been one of the most consistent players in all of baseball the past 3 years. For the 07 season I can pencil him in for a 100/100/5/.360/.480 season. Very nice! 105 Khahan ID: 59132245 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 23:28 I sent a que for rounds 6 and 7 out to a few people. Wiggs, Tree and Astade, whoever happens to notice its my pick first, feel free to post. I have pick 6.15 and 7.2 106 Astade ID: 57544126 Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 23:31 2.02 Manny Ramirez, OF, Bos The first time I've ever drafted him in fantasy baseball. I hate the Red Sox and he's always come across as a primadonna. I had a feeling that Tree wouldn't draft two OF's with his picks, and I would have preferred Vlad to come back to me. The only other person I had on my radar was Teix but with his slow season last year, I didn't want to risk it. Manny is an injury risk, but look at his numbers in 75% of the season and it stacks up to most stud OFers. I think he's a steal especially with the addition of Drew to the lineup (he finally has proctection). Here's hoping his hammy/groin/knee hold up ;) 107 I hate Philadelphia ID: 5723066 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 07:45 Who did he pick? 108 I hate Philadelphia ID: 5723066 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 07:46 I mean the pitcher from the 80's who was it? 109 rheo ID: 444201319 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 07:57 Jose Rijo (sounds the same not spelled the same) Lame joke, I know. 110 Mikel ID: 49112206 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:07 TO? 111 dror ID: 5283329 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:08 No, the corners get 5 hours 112 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:09 yep, at 1 pm, he times out, and misses both his picks. 113 wiggs Sustainer ID: 04991311 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:03 i will be away this afternoon/evening with my wife at an appt. I will have my sheets and my phone. Please text me if i am up. I am sure someone has my number. IF you dont have texts please call. If you cant get me, then let me time out and skip me and I will pick when i get home. I have picks up through 6.15 so when you tell me who goes you dont need to include anyone past that. 114 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:23 Khahan - you're back up. 115 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:35 Tree we must be jinxed with slow drafts. 116 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:44 and i'm waitng for Khahan in two of them... and don't even get me started on the NBBL draft. 117 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:45 Is fosten usually slow? I thought he was always around 118 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:51 he just picked. but in this draft, we've waited for him a couple times... 119 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 15:08 Man, we were going good there for a bit. Now we've really hit a road block! Waiting on Khahan and Dayton Dragons. The ends really have it much easier. They only have to check in half as much. Oh well, no rush, just frustrating when you keep checking back in and finding that we havent progressed. 120 achess ID: 15051204 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 15:09 SORRY ABOUT THE WAIT. jUST GOT IN FROM THE ROAD. GOT DELAYED IN TRAFFIC. 121 Khahan ID: 59132245 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 16:27 I just made my pick. I'm not sure why everybody was waiting for me. I had ques out to 3 people for this pick and 2 of you were posting that you were waiting for me. I just got lucky that I had a spare 15 mins to check in here. 122 dror ID: 5283329 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 16:56 I'm off to bed, will be back at around 10 ET. Tree I sent you a que for my 7th pick. thanks. 123 I hate Philadelphia ID: 471592812 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:21 Going home... be home in an hour to make my pick if I'm up. 124 i hate philadelphia ID: 360221120 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:28 and I'm back 125 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 19:20 Slow as molasses today... gosh. Its good we got a week head start on every other RIBC draft. 126 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 20:35 Does anyone have Wiggs phone #? He indicated that some people here would have it. 127 Tree ID: 41237618 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 23:03 wow. this was a sucky day for this draft... 128 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 07:16 Never a big deal to me if you have a slow day like yesterday. It's going to happen where the chips fall badly and it's slow. One day isn't going to hurt. If it happens a couple of more times then yeah we should worry but for now it's no biggie. Now of course these are just my opinions and are probably in the minority :) 129 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 09:03 Yeah, its frustrating, but really no big deal. In drafts like this, there's always going to be a day or two where it gets real slow. 130 I hate Philadelphia Donor ID: 471592812 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:08 Sorry I'm well behind in my rationales I will try and catchup tonight or first thing tomorrow. 131 Astade@work ID: 401261918 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:30 I guess achess is oblivious to how everyone else is posting their rationales. good job, buddy. 132 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:39 3.16 Brian McCann - this was a combination of position scarcity, and just getting one of the better players out there. there are three catchers that i think are worth drafting even remotely early, and then, after that, the level drops significantly. McCann is one of those three, and i wanted him on my roster. 4.01 Huston Street - wanted a closer. it's that simple. a number of closers went before him, and i think he was the best still available. still, it might have been a bit early for Street, but i didn't want to risk going another 30 or so picks before i got a chance to get a closer. 133 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:39 I usually dont like to OT post in a thread but just thought I would throw this out there if anyone is interested in joining a contract keeper league we have one spot open. We were supposed to start drafting today but I had to release a manager from the league at the last minute. Email if interested! 134 achess ID: 15051204 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:40 Seems like the rationales are not in order. Not even on the same thread. Just easier to get rationales done 2 or 3 at a time. 135 rheo ID: 444201319 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 07:08 Just got home. Will make my pick in the next couple of minutes. 136 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 12:17 Seriously guys, we need to pick up the pace here. If you know you wont be around make up a que and send it to someone. It seems like we've got about half to three quarters of the people checking with great regularity. If the other people would just help out by sending a que, we could blast through this. 137 Tree ID: 29082512 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:20 since yesterday morning, we haven't even gotten a round done. this is ridiculous. and wiggs is up, because dror has timed out. 138 I hate Philadelphia Donor ID: 471592812 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:23 How is Wiggs up, we aren't anywhere near his pick. If anyone has timed out its Jack Hammers and then Dice-K is up. 139 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:33 Just picked. 140 Tree ID: 29082512 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 14:02 How is Wiggs up, we aren't anywhere near his pick. sorry, i got confused... that being said: JackHammers - in 3 different rounds, you've timed out. is there anything we can do to convince you check in more regularly, or at least leave a queue? 141 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 16:04 Wow, I have heard of closer runs, but who ever heard of a mid-tier 2B run? Craziness! 142 dror ID: 5283329 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 16:47 Tree I sent you ques for my next 2 picks. Hopefully we will get there untill I wake up... good night all. 143 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 16:49 Indeed! Certainly wasn't expecting it, though surprisingly I still got the 2B guy I wanted. 144 Tree ID: 41235819 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 20:38 yea, i guess that's a no comment from jackhammers... 145 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 02:01 Tree, I do apologize. Life has taken over lately and kept me from the computer world. I manage a sports bar, College Hoops has really kicked in lately and I deal with all of the Live entertainment also, and weve just had alot of great stuff happening recently. Longer hours for me, crazy hectic environment. Slow dial up in the back office where I try to check in when I can. I also work some weekends with a ski tour company, so I'm away at the mountains but those have now ended for the season. I'm involved in several drafts but this one has suffered the worst. I apologize to you and everyone here. Its not my normal MO to hold things up so much. I'll email you my cell phone # since you seem to be around alot and do my best to check in more. (Terps eliminated today unfortunately, but things will slow down a bit) 146 Tree ID: 3425994 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 06:13 Jackhammers - i appreciate it. we've been in that draft where it seems one guy is holding things up, and it gets frustrating. you oughta get the owner of that sports bar to put in some high speed internet, and since it'll get used for sports purposes, write it off come tax time! ;o) 147 Khahan ID: 59132245 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 07:01 Ive sent a que for rounds 8 and 9 to Tree, Wiggs and Astade. 148 dror ID: 5283329 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:41 Khahan is up guys can somebody with his que please pick? 149 Tree ID: 29082512 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:03 achess times out in less than an hour...i'm putting Khahan's pick right up... 150 dror ID: 5283329 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:04 wait another hour he has 5 because he is in the corner 151 Mikel ID: 49112206 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:22 I'm here too Tree, I'll go shortly after you. 152 Tree ID: 29082512 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:37 post 150: Khahan's pick was at 8:54 eastern. 5 hours is 1:54 eastern. just under an hour after my post 149, and less than 20 minutes from now. 153 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:58 Achess gets skipped, 5 hours is up! Hey Achess, your another guy who's been keeping this up, could you please find a que buddy and try and leave a que when you can? Like I've mentioned in the past, the ends should really be on top of this as they only have to check in half as much. I'm usually checking in regularly, if you want to send me your que, let me know. I'd be more than happy to do it. 154 I hate Philadelphia Donor ID: 471592812 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:04 Tree I am pretty sure you skipped a few rounds. Does this make round 9 - 15 a free for all? 155 Tree ID: 29082512 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:09 lalala just seeing if anyone is paying attention.. :o) 156 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:12 haha, plus Youklis plays for Boston last I checked. Dude, you just made me race to the redsox website to see if there was a major trade! 157 Tree ID: 29082512 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:17 lol. oops. actually, that's because he had Adrian Gonzalez next in his queue, and i was about to post that, but then i realized he was taken just before. guess i forgot to change the team... 158 I hate Philadelphia Donor ID: 471592812 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:36 I think he's got this mixed up with NBBL 159 achess ID: 15051204 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:44 I left a que in Khahan email. Wrong time since he had left a que for some one else. Checked it before I left @ 5:00 am. Just got in I will send a que to roll the dice. Thanks for the help. No trouble on the weekends just during the week --truck driver. I have only held you guys up twice now Check it. 160 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:54 It's cool man. Thanks for the heads up. Just trying to get this thing moving. 161 Tree ID: 31244918 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:52 man. i'm sorry. i'm frustrated. we've been at this almost two weeks, and we're not even 10 rounds done? 162 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 13:29 of, course, on the heels of that comment. JH is up. it's saturday. he works at a bar. i did that bit for a long time. wouldn't stun me to find out that he's just now waking up, and getting ready to head in for a busy saturday. i'll ring him later, if he doesn't pick... 163 Nerfherders ID: 64532914 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 13:43 Two of the other RIBC drafts have just about caught up with us, and they started a week later. Though I think they are helped by being on Kafenatid. Why arent we doing this on Kafenatid again? 164 dror ID: 5283329 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 13:54 the other drafts shouldn't concern us, we should be concerned about finishing this by opening day, witch is far from being a sure thing at this pace. maybe it's time to push the panic button and cut the clock to 2 or 3 hours, that way people will be forced to send ques. 165 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 14:21 i'm with dror. i think come monday, we need to go to a 3 hour clock from 8 am to 11 pm eastern. i'm not sure why we didnt do kafenatid either, but i think it's too late for that. we just need to get moving on the current format. not just to finish on time, but because i'm losing interest quickly, and i love drafting. 166 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 14:44 We still have plenty of time. I have a draft on kafenatid that doesn't even start until Monday. If we don't make sufficient time between now and next weekend, I'll cut the clock to 3 hours. That still leaves us w/ 2 weeks to draft. 167 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 14:45 Everybody's email is in the sign up thread. When you make your pick EMAIL THE NEXT MANAGER TO NOTIFY HIM. 168 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:09 Khahan - it's not just about time left, it's about time elapsed. a draft that drags like this is not fun. 169 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:16 I've got a Q ready for my 10th pick if anyone will be around. I'll send it to a couple of guys above me if nobody responds in the next 15 minutes or so. Khahan I didn't see your address in our sign up thread... By the way, I've got Sunday and Monday off (phew!) so I'll be around alot the next couple of days 170 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:20 you can send it here, but i'm leaving in about 2 hours for the evening... 171 rheo ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:37 I can take the queue since you pick around me. I'll be around until 9 or so. 172 youngroman ID: 3751268 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:40 damn I hate my laptop. It takes me over 5 minutes to get back online when my WLAN-card has a driver-malfunction. Tree - can you remove your 2 picks because Astade picked an already taken Barry Zito? this way he can not pick one of them intentionally. Khahan - what is your ruling in such a situation? are Tree's picks valid? 173 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:44 1. when i emailed Astade before his (now duplicated) pick to let him know he was up, i told him to stick around because i was going to pick immediately after he did. 2. i made my picks in good faith. i'm not trying to be a jerk, but it's not my fault if someone else made a duplicate pick. if i had noticed it, i would have held back. but i didn't, i made my picks, and if i were to lose those picks because of someone else's error, that would not sit well with me. 174 mike ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:45 the wrap around picks should be valid in my opinion. why punish someone because someone else wasn't paying attention. just my opinion but no biggie either way. 175 mike ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:46 geez, great minds think alike, hehe. 176 rheo ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:47 on a separate note I hate how the stupid program keeps using my old name on here. 177 youngroman ID: 3751268 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:58 Tree - I guess it is no biggie. I simply don't know how Khahan sees the situation. If Astade gets his pick before yours he could sneak one of your picks away. thats why I thought it would be more safe for you to remove your 2 picks. I guess the ruling will be that Tree's picks are valid, Astade gets the next 2 picks (9.15, 10.02) and we continue the whole thing. if anyone needs a queue-holder for tomorrow I will be available from 4am to 7pm ET 178 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:06 I think we just wait at this point until Astade picks. I'm emailing him. When he checks in for his normal pick, he can post his repick. He may not even want somebody that Tree has so it may be a mute point. 179 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:09 I tend to agree. Not aiming to punish Astade, but the alternative is to punish Tree. Since the mistake was Astade's, I lean towards Tree's picks being valid and Astade drafting two. 180 Astade ID: 57544126 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:25 Khahan, got your email. thanks! Tree, Your personality/attitude have really come out in this thread. I never understood why you were so poorly received by so many gurupies...now I get it. 181 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:30 Your personality/attitude have really come out in this thread. I never understood why you were so poorly received by so many gurupies...now I get it. right. i apologize for emailing you and letting you know it was your turn in the draft. that really says what a crappy person i am. i also apologize for taking people's queues, taking their celly numbers, and doing what i can to keep this draft moving along smoothly, as a draft should. 182 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:46 The situation is resolved (mostly) peaceable. Lets take the rest of the discussion to email and have this thread focus on the draft. 183 rheo ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:03 But if they take the conversation off the board then what's going to be the entertainment? Basketball will be ending soon :) 184 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:07 i've said my piece. i've got no interest in continuing this conversation. also - someone else can email astade when he's up, because i've also got no interest in helping someone who just called me an a$$hole, right after i tried to help them out by letting them know they were up in a draft. 185 rheo ID: 444201319 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:11 so if you've got no intention of continuing it after saying your piece why did you keep it going in the next sentence? just curious 186 Tree ID: 342281012 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:17 i was referring to the commish's request in post 167. 187 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 21:15 Anyone around who got JackHammer's queue? 188 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 11:22 Alright, just picked guys. 189 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 14:30 Just woke up, I'll pick in a few. 190 Khahan ID: 59132245 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 20:34 Sent my que for rounds 10 and 11 out to a few of you. 191 achess ID: 15051204 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 21:10 ROLL OF THE DICE SENT MY QUE OUT TO YOU FOR MY PICKS. DON'T FAIL ME NOW. 192 I hate Philadelphia Donor ID: 471592812 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 10:42 I noticed I'm up. I need to finish updating my sheets from the weekend and then I will make my pick. I'll try not to take too long 193 rheo ID: 444201319 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 13:48 Doubt it'll make it back to me but if it does I'll make my pick around 10 tonight. Off to bed. 194 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:21 Ok, just selected for achess. I got his e-mail but it was sent to my junk folder. 195 Tree ID: 29082512 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 16:38 six picks in 8.5 hours. and 4 of those came from queues that were left. this may be the longest, most frustrating draft i have ever been involved in. leaving queues works - we've seen it. or, checking in every so often - that works too. i hate to be all b!tchy about this, but a draft simply shouldn't take this long - and when it does, it drags all the fun completely out of it. 196 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:04 I definitely think Kafenatid would've helped, but c'est la vie I suppose. I'm around for queues all night and most of this week. Except for 3-4 hours on Tuesday and Wednesday from 6 pm to ~9-10 pm, I'm on the internet all day. Those last 4 picks kill me. Drew was my backup if I didn't get Phillips, and Broxton was on my want list too. (Though for much later.) 197 dror ID: 5283329 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:13 Tree I sent you a que for my next pick. thanks. 198 Tree ID: 40221217 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:39 *****STOP**** unless i'm mistaken: 1. Wiggs' pick is 11.06 not 12.06. 2. YouPlayToWinTheGame - unless there was a trade made that i missed, you're not up. generally speaking, 7 comes after 6. 8 does NOT come after 6. 199 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:48 Wow, lets F' this thing up a little more. The pick is for round 11. So it should be changed to 11.06 like Tree said. Also, YouPlayToWinTheGame only gave Philly 3 hours (not 4) before picking ahead of him. It says wiggs posted at 17:35 and YouPlay posted at 20:35. So someone will have to delete his post and let Philly pick. 200 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:49 of course if Philly doesnt pick in 45 minutes or so, this will be a non-issue. 201 philflyboy ID: 111012139 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:50 I just made my pick. 202 Khahan ID: 59132245 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:52 Lots of people posting as I'm fixing things. I corrected Wiggs pick number. I deleted youplaytowin's pick. As I was doing that, Philflyboy made his pick. I then added youplay's pick back in as it was posted. We move on. :) 203 Jack Hammers Donor ID: 236482918 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 02:28 Q's for 11.12 sent to Tree, Wiggs and Rogue. Should be around tomorrow AM, but I had to go in tomight for some no-shows. Could still be in POWER-RACK mode tomorrow morning. Feel free to use the Q 204 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 09:40 I just picked, so who ever has JackHammer's que can pick now. 205 rheo ID: 444201319 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 09:53 anyone around to take my queue for the next round? I'll be here to make my pick this round but got to head to bed soon. 206 youngroman ID: 43441182 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:01 I am here to take queues. will check in every 30 minutes or so. 207 rheo ID: 444201319 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:15 queue sent. thanks and off to bed. back tonight to see what's going on. 208 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:18 Mikel - i don't see your email above... could you shoot me an email? 209 YouPlayToWinTheGame ID: 271312613 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:04 my bad on not waiting...I thought his time was up and posted my pick. I checked once during the day and once at night so I guess I assumed 4 hours passed. 210 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:17 No problem YouPlay, I think in the end the Kaftenid program would've helped organize this. How many rounds are we going? 211 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:27 Time has passed, your up TREE! 212 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:40 yep, i'm up. i'm working the trade wire right now. shopping a 2B for a SS, if anyone is interested... 213 Khahan ID: 59132245 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:02 Reviewing the offer, Tree 214 Khahan ID: 59132245 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:09 *****TRADE***** Khahan sends Stephen Drew and his round 12 pick to Tree Tree sends Dan Uggla and his round 14 pick to Khahan. 215 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:17 confirmed, and will pick in a moment... thanks Khahan... 216 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:36 Tree really wanted Drew! Nice trade guys. Eric Chavez in round 12. How the mighty have fallen... Last I heard his injuries would be 'bothering him all year', but it wouldn't surprise me to see him play strongly through them. Could be a big steal. 217 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 16:04 i wanted Drew, but more so, i wanted a SS i felt comfortable with. it may come back to bite me in the ass, but there are few quality SS out there to begin with, much less at this point in the draft. as for Chavez, i normally don't take players who have scary injury history. but, at this point, the risk was worth it. 218 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 16:29 so do we have to wait another four hours for someone who timed out already? 219 Khahan ID: 59132245 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 16:30 Right now yes, but at this pace, some people are going to get their clocks cut down by the end of the day tomorrow. I'll post more tomorrow evening. 220 Tree ID: 29082512 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 16:44 Thanks Khahan... 221 dror ID: 5283329 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 17:37 I'm off to bed (will be back at 11 ET). Tree I sent you a que (I don't beleive you are gonna actually use it, but just in case). thanks 222 Tree ID: 382121317 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 19:56 JackHammer's queue listed it was only for the 11th round. so, we're on hold until he returns or checks in... 223 JH@work ID: 131562019 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:32 checking in, gimme a minute and I'll pick 224 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 06:03 Queue sent to Tree and youngroman for my 12th round pick. 225 youngroman ID: 43441182 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 07:46 got it - I have 2 meetings coming up but will check in at least every hour if there is any progress. 226 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 11:30 anyone tried to get in touch with Astade? He is on the clock for over 24 hours... 227 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:05 No, I dont see his e-mail and he's actually got two picks to take. 228 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:59 hellaprogress we're making today. hoo-rah. 229 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:28 youplaytowin is about to time out. philflyboy is up next. 230 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:30 another middle of the day TO... I guess we are going after yesterday's record of 9 picks... seriusly Khahan, we can't go on like this. we won't finish in time. 231 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:47 we're not going to finish in time, because unless some serious changes are made tonight, you might need to replace me. that's not an ultimatum, but i just can't dedicate this much time and frustration to one draft. i mean, kudos to people like dror and JH, who are doing their damnedest and leaving queues, but at this rate, the new Israel Baseball League will have started and finished it's inaugural season. 232 Roll of the Dice-K Donor ID: 591001611 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:56 Yeah, I agree, everyone knew the rules. I dont want anyone to drop out, but we really need to tighten up standards here. I mean, we're not even getting a round done a day. If we all put in a little effort this thing could be done already. 233 Tree ID: 29082512 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:34 oh - and just as a reminder, i have Khahan's pick this round. of course, i probably don't have to worry about that until Sunday or Monday, but i figured i'd give the heads up anyway. 234 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 17:08 Tree you can use my que from last night for my next pick if it comes back to me. thanks 235 Nerfherders ID: 501035289 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 17:33 I ran the numbers very quickly. In the first 6 days of the draft we made 84 picks, excluding the 10 that were made before the official draft start. In the succeeding 9 days we have made 93 picks. Thats about 10 picks per day, and if we were to continue at the latter pace it would take approximately 21 days to complete the draft. And for those keeping score, that's 4 days into the regular season. 236 R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 18:20 I'd be in favor of cutting the clock to 2 hours. 237 Mikel ID: 502191416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 18:27 que sent to tree for round 12 thanks tree 238 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 18:40 I will address the clock and other issues after 8pm est when I have some time to sit down and think. Just checking in for now. 239 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:28 Just to throw out an idea. I say we cut the clock down to 2 hours for anyone who has ever timed out. That way a person can have one 4 hour timeout before its cut down. Seems to me like there only a few people keeping this up each time around and the rest are being very dilligent with their picks. Oh and Tree, Mikel will be up shortly if IHatePhilly doesnt pick soon. 240 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:32 Just to give people an idea, here is today's time between picks... 1. 7 minutes 2. 1 hour 11 minutes 3. 4+ hours (TIMED OUT) 4. 45 minutes 5. 4 minutes 6. 16 minutes 7. 4 minutes 8. 4+ hours (about to TIME OUT) So, there is a good portion of people in this league that are spending a lot of time waiting for the few who wont take the time to either check in more often or send someone a queue. 241 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:34 yep. i've got: 1. Mikel's queue for this round. 2. Khahan's next pick for myself. 3. Achess' queue for his picks. and then we're back to Khahan picking for himself, and then Mikel, who only left be a queue for round 12. 242 Mikel ID: 32237410 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 20:19 Thanks Tree. I'll be here for about 45 mins. Then will have to leave another que. 243 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 20:29 no sweat. send it on... 244 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:00 Roll - you hit the nail on the head. We're reducing the clock for those who have timed out. Anybody who has timed out one time is down to 3 hours. If you've timed out more than 1 time, you're down to 2 hours. This means: Jackhammers: 11 is down to 2 hours rheo: 1 is down to 3 hours achess: 1 is down to 3 hours I hate philadellphia: 1 is down to 3 hours Astade: 1 is down to 3 hours Many others have been borderline or even taking 3 to 3 1/2 hours consistently. We'll deal with them if/when we have to. Guys, I know people are at work during the day and don't have access. I'm one of them. I'm not allowed to check in during the day. When I get at 5 or 5:30 I have 3 kids taking up my time until around 8. I get about 15 mins before leaving for work in the morning and 2-3 hours after my kids are bed at night to check in. Out of my maybe 3hours and 15 mins during the day, I like to try to spend some of that with my wife. Point is, if I can do this w/out holding things up, so can you. That is all you need to do, leave a que. Everybody's email is listed in the sign up thread. ... now, I need a few minutes to do some research as my que has been emptied and I'll make my pick. :) 245 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:18 and now we're back to someone who has already timed out - so, we sit for the rest of the night, wasting prime time? ugh. i've got no desire to continue this draft into the weekend, much less through it. in fact, the thought of playing an entire season isn't appealing anymore, because if people don't care about the draft, i can't see them playing through an entire season. 246 rheo ID: 444201319 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:44 Then quit and stop crying about the draft Tree. You knew this was a possibility when you signed up for a slow draft. I appreciate what you've (and others) have done to try and keep this going but it's getting a bit old. I've done lots of these drafts here and there's always a bunch of worrying about getting it done in time and it always does get done in time. Yeah it usually involves cutting the clock but it's for everyone not just certain people. You can't have different sets of rules for different for people. It's just wrong. Not trying to stir up sh*t or offend anyone but this is how I feel. For the record I'd like to know which round I timed out on. I looked over the list and don't see any. Thanks 247 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:58 You knew this was a possibility when you signed up for a slow draft. actually, no i didn't. in all my years of playing fantasy sports - baseball, basketball, and football - i've never been in a draft this slow. it's not just about finishing in time. it's about having a draft that is remotely enjoyable. drafts should be fun - not frustrating, while waiting for someone to take 4 hours to make a pick. 248 i hate philadelphia ID: 360221120 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:19 Tree I was completely on your side until you took a swipe at me. I have been here every night waiting for picks and the one night I go out for a few hours the draft goes through 4 picks in a half hour and I'm supposed to expect that I am all of a sudden up? I made my picks, but in no way do I think its fair that I am penalized because others have been slow in the past. The fact that the draft has gone slow is more of the reason that I was not more apt to send out a queue. I don't see how a draft that has spent about 3 hours a pick should all of a sudden be expected to go through 4 in 30 minutes. I too have serious doubts as to weather we will get through this draft and am sorry that we did not go through kafenatid, but don't point fingers at me when I've been here all along and had one night where I miss for a few hours because I wasn't near being up. 249 dror ID: 5283329 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:32 C'mon guys, there is no need to get personal... we are all in this for the fun, so let's just enjoy it any way it goes. I'm gonna say this - this draft is my only fantasy league this year, so I really hope that people here don't do harsh things like droping out and making the league close... just think of the 15 other guys before you do something like that. we all made a commitment here, we all could have signed for other RIBC league but chose this one. think about it. 250 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:40 Tree I was completely on your side until you took a swipe at me. for me, i'm just frustrated. drafts simply shouldn't take this long. i mean, we're about to hit week three on this draft, and we're not even halfway through round 13. 251 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:44 I think Dror said it best. I also have a long memory and will remember any such actions for this and any other leagues I commish. I'm sure Guru would not look kindly on dropping from his league, either. 252 i hate philadelphia ID: 360221120 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:48 I'm not thinking of or suggesting dropping from this league, but the fact Is I've averaged under 30 minutes per pick when on teh clock this draft and whe it speeds up while I'm away I immediately get chastized for my first offense. I think its a little over zealous personally. 253 Tree ID: 552501416 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:52 Khahan - just my two cents. let's drop the clock to 3 hours for everyone for the rest of the week, from 8 am to 11 pm eastern on the weekend, let's raise it back up to four, then on monday go back down to three. and from this moment on, anyone who gets skipped because they didn't leave a queue, drops down to 2 hours. come the middle of next week, if we're not on round 20 or nearing the end, drop the clock to two hours, and we go go go. 254 Roll of the Dice-K ID: 281532720 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:08 I would also like to volunteer to take queue's. My job requires that I be at a computer for most of the day from 9-5pm. I'm also 26 and have no kids, so I'm certainly more available than most. I'd be more than willing to take queue's each day for whoever. No problem. Just wanna help get this thing moving. 255 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:28 I made my picks, but in no way do I think its fair that I am penalized because others have been slow in the past. The past is all we have to go on right now. The idea of the shorter clock is to help speed the draft as a whole up. Hence the gentle kick in the pants to the people who have slowed it down (and a bit harsher kick to those who dragged it down). The fact that the draft has gone slow is more of the reason that I was not more apt to send out a queue. I don't see how the first should affect the second. Obviously #2 DOES affect #1. So maybe with the shorter time frames, you'll be more apt to send out a que. Hence, the gentle kick in the pants. As for not using Kafenatid, I"m a big supporter of Fred's site. But I did not see where we could view others drafts this year (if I remember correctly, there used to be links right on my front page w/ other baseball drafts). I felt the ribc leagues were more of a community event and wanted our draft to be shared by the community. If I was wrong about viewing other drafts, I apologize. (which as I write this, I see a link now for exactly what I had been looking for, so I'm sorry I missed that when it was set up time) However, I don't see how kafenatid would have sped things up. People don't check in, they don't check in. They had 4 hours either way. The clock doesn't go any faster on kafenatid than it does on rotoguru. You still need to leave a que on kafenatid to help speed things up. Over the years I have don a ton of slow drafts on these boards. And this is, by far, the slowest of them all. There is absolutely no reason a draft that starts in February should be off schedule to finish by April. Its not just the people who have timed out that are slowing it down. These are the times for the first few days of the clock, starting Wednesday at 8am and ending Friday at 11pm. Dror: 19 mins (2 picks average 9.5 mins) Wiggs: 1 hour 37 mins (2 picks average 48.5 mins) Phillyflyboy: 1 hour 47 mins (2 picks average 53.5 mins) Youplaytowin: 1 hour 10 mins (2 picks ave 35 mins) Nerfherders: 7 hours 11 mins (2 picks average 3 hours 35mins) R9: 3 hours 5 mins (2 picks 1 hour 32 mins average) Roll of dice k: 1 hour 13 mins (3 picks 31 mins average) Jackhammers: 8 hour 14 mins (3 picks 2 hours 35 mins average 2 time outs, 1 in 14 mins) Young Romans: 6 hour 23 mins (3 picks 2 hour 7 mins average) Rheo: 7 hours 52 mins (4 picks 1 hour 58 mins per pick Astade: 32 mins per pick (4 pick 8 mins average, yes he's near a book end) Tree: 1 hour 35 mins (4 picks 23 mins average per pick). That is counting clock time only from the official start of the draft through 3 days. Those trends pretty much continue. Dror and myself have been using que's from early on. Jackhammers and achess started using que's part way through and R9 and Mikel used a que late in the draft when they needed it. Use que's, they work. 256 Khahan ID: 59132245 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:33 I missed some people: I hate philadelphia: 14 mins for 2 picks. Mikel: 1 hour 17 for 2 picks. Unfortunately, Ihatephilly, a time out is a time out. The simple use of a que would have avoided it. Its the guideline we go by. But actually, I agree with Tree. 3 hours clock for everybody. 4 hours on weekends. Use que's and its not an issue. No one person is penalized. We all just need to make a concerted effort to speed things up. 257 rheo       ID: 444201319       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 08:32 I'd first off like to apologize to Tree for my comments from last night. They definitely could and should of came off a lot better then they did. I think we all agree that we do this for fun. Where you get annoyed over the pace of the draft, I get annoyed with the constant complaining. The point I was trying to make (and upon looking it over again this morning poorly) is that if it's bugging you so much then quit. Now I don't really want anyone to quit but if it's causing so much worry and taking away the fun then is it really worth sticking around for? I know personally I had a disagreement with someone in one of these league and it got a bit nasty and was taking the fun away for me. Rather then stick around I decided to back out since it wasn't worth putting up with. You'd mentioned 2 or 3 times thoughts about quitting and I got tired of hearing it honestly. Like I said, I wish I had been a bit less harsh in my remarks but unfortunately it didn't come out that way. Generally I like to think I've done a good job of keeping up with things. A couple of times I've used up some time but that's going to happen. Everyone has reasons why this might happen (work, kids, significant others, in my case sleep). In no way should the clock be abused but in the case of Philly, no way should he be singled out for it happening once. It's good that we've had some solid discussion last night/today on this because I believe talk is always good. Wish it hadn't gotten personal and again I apologize but at least some good has come out of it. Now with that being said I'm going to send a queue off to Dice-K since I'm off to visit my kids and won't be back until 12:30 or so. 258 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 09:24 if I am not up within the next 90 minutes, I need a designated picker for the timeframe of 11am - 3pm ET. who wants my queue? 259 philflyboy       ID: 520591215       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 09:45 I am around everyday from 8-4 est. and most nights will gladly take queuss 260 Tree       ID: 29082512       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 10:01 although i will be out from 4 to 5, and again from about 5:15 to 7:15, i can take a queue before then... 261 Tree       ID: 29082512       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:07 looks like we have a time out on the very first pick of the day? give to 12 to give him the benefit of the doubt? 262 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:10 6-man queue sent to philflyboy. 263 Nerfherders       ID: 501035289       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:41 Is the clock now 3 hours or 4? or 2 for some and not for others? Im confused 264 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:50 Khahan says 3 hours for everyone, and 4 hours running on the weekend. So fire when ready! If the clock goes by you, you'll just have to catch up when you get a chance. Lets pull together and get this thing DONE! 265 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:50 Please remember to put a "Timed Out" message at the top, so we can keep everything in order. 266 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:53 I'm here to make my pick right after Nerf makes his. 267 Tree       ID: 29082512       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:55 YouPlayToWinTheGame has timed out, at over 3 hours. you're up Nerf. 268 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:12 Yeah! Now we're talking! Keep picking. 269 rheo       ID: 444201319       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:57 Been back for a bit but still not up to me. I sent a queue to DiceK but I'm off to sleep in about a half hour. If I come up in the next 30 minutes I'll make the pick, if not feel free to use my queue. I'll be back around 8 or so to check in. Thanks 270 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:01 cool man, yeah we've ran into a stumbling block here. 271 rheo       ID: 444201319       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:07 I kind of thought the draft might pass me be since I'd be gone for 4 hours. Even came home an hour later then I planned (stupid basketball, hehe) Oh well, all good I guess. 272 rheo       ID: 444201319       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:29 Just in time to make my pick. My queue is still good for my next pick. Off to get some sleep (the joys of working midnights) Oh well long weekend though. Back in 5 hours or so. 273 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:14 Ok, i can take care of the next round for you. 274 Tree       ID: 29082512       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:20 Astade will time out at just the wrong time for me to make a pick - i'll have ZERO computer access between about 5 pm eastern and 8 pm eastern. i own my 13.16 pick, but 14.01 is Khahan's, due to the Uggla-Drew trade. in case Astade times out, who wants my queue for 13.16. 275 dror       ID: 5283329       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:22 I can take your que Tree 276 philflyboy       ID: 520591215       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:29 I will be around until late tonight so I can take anyones queue 277 Tree       ID: 29082512       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:33 both you should have my queue. it is for the next pick only, and obviously, even if Astade picks, he'll only take one of the two i listed. 278 rheo       ID: 444201319       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 19:41 I'm around until 9 or so to my pick. If not then I'll be back at midnight or so. Back to basketball. Go Michigan State!!!! 279 Tree       ID: 332221518       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 22:33 we're now in tourney season. we gotta get JH to leave us some queues!! :O) 280 rheo       ID: 444201319       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 01:14 Tourny season is good. Mich. State and Xavier both won. Woooo for me. 14 of 16 for the day. Can't complain about that. 281 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 03:44 Re: 279 Ya got that right Tree. I'm getting a big Q ready for the weekend. Maryland has advanced and St. Patty's day on Saturday to boot. No question it's a Terp crowd here but but Virginia Commenwealth stole the show today. They were actually chanting V-C-U tonight for the last 10 minutes of their upset over Duke. I'm really sorry about my absence this year guys, I just took over this place in the Fall. I'm in several drafts which were were all cruising along in February and then things just exploded in March. i've been doing RIBC for a few years but I may have to duck out next year just for the sanity of the rest of the managers. i've been the cause of of alot of headaches and set the tone for this slow draft. On a side note, Tree has taken some grief in this thread, but I believe he has been a Gentleman throughout, and has done his best to help in whatever way to keep things moving. So if you come through Baltimore Tree, you have a bar tab, and I'll put the prettiest, friendliest girl on the staff at your table. I owe the rest of you one also. I'll do my best to keep up with rest of it. I do have off through the daylight tomorrow, but then all hell breaks loose and I'll see you Sunday. 282 achess       ID: 15051204       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 04:19 Roll of the dice: I am leaving you my que for today. May be out on the road longer than expected. Just want to not hold anyone up today. THANKS> 283 Tree       ID: 49226164       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 06:34 LOL. thanks JH. i think you started slow, then started sending queues, and that made things ok. if it were me, i'd hate it - i hate drafting by queue, because it eliminates the twisting and turning nature of a draft. i do appreciate your words. i am definitely pushy come draft time, but i believe that if someone knows they're not going to be around, they have a responsibility to leave queues and such - as a simple common courtesy. and for the most part (with noted exceptions - please, no one see this as a personal shot), no one is being "surprised" by their pick coming up. in a draft that's going to take upwards of a month to finish, there are no surprises. on a side note. my brother lives in Baltimore. i haven't been down to see him in a couple years, and he's been putting the full court press on my in recent months, so sometime between now and the end of summer, expect me to take you up on your offer... ;o) now, what beers do you have on draught? lol 284 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 07:24 I am going to pick up my wife at the hospital today (hopefully) I am going there either way. I should be home by 5. If it gets to me early then just skip me and I will pick when I get home. I dont want to hold this thing up anymore. 285 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 07:27 Queue for my 14th round pick sent off to Tree and Youngroman. I'll be out of touch until ~ 3 PM, then I'm here all weekend. 286 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 07:28 if anyone has my cell number they can try to text me, but reception is shotty in the hospital 287 rheo       ID: 444201319       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 07:57 The big question is why didn't Duke play for the last shot. Not to take anything from VCU but Duke had the ball with 20 seconds or so and scored. I know the shot was there but they left them too much time. Not sure if Coach K has said anything on it (just woke up) but the ending just left me shaking my head. 288 rheo       ID: 444201319       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:13 I sent Dice an email on the pick. 289 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:23 Hey guys, sorry about the pick. I thought I ran a search on him last night, but must have misspelled his name or something. Oh well. I deleted the pick and picked someone else. We're good to go. 290 rheo       ID: 444201319       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:29 You sure you weren't going for a certain brother? (trying to be a smartass but also trying to not break the rules of not mentioning players not drafted) 291 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:58 Haha... Um, no I definetly wasnt going for a certain brother. I KNOW he's still available! 293 YouPlayToWinTheGame       ID: 271312613       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:09 Hey guys, sorry about the past few days. My internet has been struggling at home, so I haven't been able to pick, but now its settled. I'll catch up on some of my rationales too. I'll make an emergency que and if anything happens again I'll find a comp to send it out. So I have a question on how you use ques...do you usually wait like an hour to see if I pick then use my que or just do it automatically when its my turn? 294 Tree       ID: 29082512       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:16 automatically, generally speaking, unless you offer instructions here otherwise, AND people actually see them... 295 dror       ID: 5283329       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:31 I'm here and ready, anyone has Wiggs's cell to try and get his pick? 296 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:39 I'll give it a shot, but I basically have no idea how to text. Technology has passed me by, perhaps I should call my 10 year old nephew for some instruction... 297 rheo       ID: 444201319       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:29 Pretty sure it won't make it back to me soon but I'm going out for a bit to watch some of the tourny. Be back in a bit. 298 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:52 I'm wiped, had two big essays and a 2 hour presentation the last two days, so I'm going to pass out for however long my brain needs. :) Don't think it'll get to me by tonight, but if it does I'll probably be out of action until sometime late tonight. Tough to leave a queue for 15+ picks, so if I'm up and you see I'd time out before midnight, go ahead and skip me to keep things moving. G'night! 299 Tree       ID: 29082512       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:24 if anyone has my cell number they can try to text me, but reception is shotty in the hospital so, no one has his number i guess... 300 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:29 I do actually, I'll give a shot in a minute 301 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:53 He's not going to be able to pick from there. Says its okay to skip him. I'll leave that up to you guys. I'm in no position to make that call, as slow as I've been. Hasn't timed out yet has he? 302 dror       ID: 5283329       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:06 there is no point in wating if he isn't gonna pick, and the 3 hours are about to end anyway. I will make my pick in a sec 303 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:24 I should be able to check in tonight later. I doubt it will get back to me. maybe Tree or Wiggs could text me later if it does. Other wise I'll be back around 1am. I'll leave a short Q with Tree just in case, but I'd like to look at this one if possible... 304 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 15:26 Does no one have a queue for wiggs? I feel bad skipping him again with all that is going on. 305 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 17:10 Anyone have MikeL's queue? 306 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 18:36 Mikel has Timed out, Khahan your up. I have Achess's que, so I can go after your done Khahan. 307 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 20:54 Do we wait for Mikel again? 308 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:11 C'mon dude, he was just here! 309 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:27 Oh I missed that he made his pick from before. My bad. 310 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:56 Yeah, but he didnt stay and make his 15th round pick which occured a half hour later 311 Tree       ID: 49261616       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:05 yea. i am amazed that people that close to the end don't stick around for a few... 312 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:15 Allright I have some time So I am going to write in all the draft rationales that I owe. Don't mind me people. Actually Dave showed me a nice way of doing this that I'll have to use in the future. He actually writes his rationales when he makes his picks and saves them for later. Anyways here goes nothing.... 313 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:17 3.04 Jake Peavy, SP SD I tend to draft my SP from the National League if I can help it because pitchers in that league have an advantage of not facing the DH. I happen to think Peavy is the best pitcher in the NL although last year was an off year for him. I'm looking for a guy who in the past has shown an ability to keep his ERA below 3 with a low WHIP and great K/9. Even if he has the down year he had last year, he still gives me 200k's without killing my periphials. 314 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:19 4.13 Adam Dunn, OF CIN Consistently puts up 40 HRs and while his AVG is terrible, his OBP is usually respectable. I usually don't draft Dunn, but in other RIBC leagues he is going in the 2nd and 3rd tounds, so I thought grabbing him here in the late 4th was a good pick. 315 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:27 5.04 Chipper Jones Seems to have become injury prone, but even so is a great source of slugging OBP and RBI. In the 5th round I'm hoping I get 140 games from him. 316 dror       ID: 5283329       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 03:35 Mikel and I Hate Phily - Both your last picks are allreay taken - you need to pick again. 317 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:49 I will be away for most of the today (10am-7pm ET) and as it looks now it seems possible that I could come up in that time, so I need a queue-holder. anyone available? 318 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:50 I'm around, probably until 2-3 pm. If you don't pick by then I can pass your queue on to someone else later if need be. (Who goes after you of course.) 319 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:53 speaking about rationales. it seems our thread stalled, so I put all of my missing ones here. 7.13 Eric Gagne, RP, TEX before his injury, he was on top of the closer-tier. now that he seems finally healthy again I expect nothing more than what he accomplished before: ERA below 3.00 WHIP around 1.00 around 1.3 K/IP usual saves and wins for a closer. maybe I should stop dreaming because that seems like a 3rd-round talent in the late 7th round. we will see how long he can stay healthy and how he really performs. then we can discuss if this was a steal or not. 320 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:54 8.04 Tadahito Iguchi, 2B, CWS 2B is getting really thin, with 3 of them gone within the last 5 picks I felt that I need to take one now or get some crap later. Iguchi seems to bat 2nd on a White Sox team that is known for their scoring. he gives me some SB's too, so I hope he lives up to my expectations. I also thought about C, SS and SP, but thought that the greatest dropoff is at 2B. only 3 catchers were gone and the next few ones are nearly equal. lots of SS are already gone, so I thought that I can wait another round or two. my best guess is that 2 more SS go off the board until it is my time to pick again. looking at available SP, you can build an excellent 5-man-rotation, so I deferred once again. 321 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:56 9.13 Randy Johnson, SP, ARI I thought it was finally time to get my first starting pitcher. I think that he can get back to his old self, now that he is back in Arizona. I am not expecting his spectacular stats from his previous season with the D'Backs but something that lies between them and last year. only time will tell if that can get true. other picks I thought here: a shortstop or a catcher. since 2 of the next 3 managers have already a catcher I can wait at least 1 more round. Shortstop is a bit different, there are only a few valuable ones left and the next 3 teams have no shortstop until now. I take the risk, because I think the SS that I want (Drew) will be there next round. the other SP that I considered was Erik Bedard. He went with the next pick, so I was not lucky with the decision for this pick because otherwise RJ could have been available with my next pick. 322 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 07:00 10.04 Rich Hill, SP, CHC I initially thought about taking a catcher or shortstop here, but I couldn't get it done. my hole at SP was too big and the pitchers with good K/IP ratios are getting thin, so I'd better take one of them earlier than later. Rich Hill did an outstanding job last year after the ASB: ERA 2.93, WHIP 1.05, 79 Ks, 6 wins in 80 IP. I don't expect that he repeats this but an ERA around 3.5 and WHIP at 1.15 with 1K/IP are not out of reach. those stats are similiar to that of Randy Johnson whom I picked one round earlier. of the next 24 picks only 2 players have no SS, so I hope once again that I can still get the player I intended to pick since the start of the draft. I don't think that this applies to my catcher too, but it would have been too early to get him now. lets see if one or both of my guys are still around when I'm up again. 323 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 07:01 11.13 Jhonny Peralta, SS, CLE we need at least one shortstop, right? thats the whole reason why I took one with this pick. in previous rounds there were no value-picks available at this position and don't want to reach for a player that is not a sure bet. I was thinking about Drew with my last pick but took a 2nd starting pitcher instead, hoping that he gets back to me, because only 1 manager was missing a shortstop until this pick. as it turned out Khahan steals him away as his 2nd SS. Peralta is the best SS left and I am wondering which sucking SS will go until the draft is completed. the field at this position is pretty much depleted. the only other option at this point would have been a catcher, but only Astade is missing one until my next pick comes due and there are a surprisingly a few options left. I think it is weird that all SS are gone and no C. I am counting at least 5 catcher that are more valuable than the next best SS. 324 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 07:02 12.04 Ivan Rodriguez, C/1B, DET I guess he lasted that long because he is getting old. but Pudge is a different type of catcher. I expect a little dropoff from last year but that is good enough for me at this point. I had to take a catcher here because I think all the other equal options (Ramon Hernandez, Michael Barrett, Russell Martin, Jason Varitek) will be gone until my next pick. The bonus about Pudge is that he also qualifies at 1B which gives me a bit more flexibility. I guess I'll draft a 2nd catcher in a later round because it is always hard to get the maximum in games played out of the catcher position. I don't want to give away 25-30 games this year. 325 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:01 Do I wait for Mikel to remake his pick or should I just remake mine? 326 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:05 Is the clock running on weekends now? 327 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:07 4 hour clock on weekends, 3 during the week I believe. 328 Tree       ID: 31237176       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:43 i hate Philly - if you're around, re-pick - never mind the fact that if someone makes a double pick, they oughta be skipped, Mikel has timed out. Khahan's queued pick as made at 8:08 pm eastern time. clock ended at 11 pm after 2:52 on the clock. it's now 8:41 am eastern, meaning he's had 3:33 on the clock. the pick began before the weekend clock, and the majority of elapsed time was before the weekend clock. but, if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, you can pick at 9:08 am eastern - in about 25 minutes - and then it's four hours. 329 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:47 15.04 Pedro Martinez, SP NYM 330 dror       ID: 5283329       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:57 I e-mailed Mikel about the Dave Roberts issue, I'm gonna give him about an hour to make his pick before I continue. 331 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:58 Don't think the draft will make it to me but I'm taking off to see my daughters. I'll be back around 12:30 or 1 if it does happen to come to me. 332 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 09:55 I have sent a 3-man queue to R9, Tree and Philflyboy. I hope it lasts. if not I should be back no later than 7pm ET, but it could be much sooner. lets see. 333 I hate philadelphia       ID: 290541416       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:26 oasis can you email me at gramazins@yahoo.com to take a queue. I can't click on the names to get your email address for some reason from my home computer and I have to go out. 334 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 11:50 your up now I hate Philly 335 Mikel       ID: 122281622       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 14:56 Sorry gang. Been without a computer for the past day. Been asking others to draft for me which lead to the Roberts and Timing issues. Happy St. Patty's everyone. 336 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 19:05 My last pick took HGH, your guys are soooo screwed! 337 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 19:22 my queue noted in #332 is still valid. I should be back at 11pm ET (start of Formula 1 Season) 338 Tree       ID: 362421718       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 20:53 i've got JH's queue, and YR's queue, which would take care of the next two picks, but JH's queue ran out... so, we're stuck. :o) 339 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:14 Get a few rationales out of the way. 6.01 Jered Weaver Ana With 15 SP being taken I took my 1st pitcher. His ERA will go up some this year but his WHIP & K's should be good fantasy value. 2.56/1.03 WHIP/ 105K's 340 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:21 #339 pick should be 6.16 for J Weaver not 6.01 7.01 Jeff Kent 2b Had a couple of injuries last year. After that he hit .327/.407/.515. Batting clean up should get him rbi's. 341 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:27 Pick 8.16 Joe Crede 3b Ensberg, Teahen, and Rolen already taken. Hopefully, no back problems this year. Last year OBP .506 Projections for 2007: 25 hr's 80 rbi's 342 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:32 9.01 AJ Burnett P Tor Some arm problems last year. His k's were consistent & ground ball pitcher reputation remained with switch from Nat. to Amer. league. ERA should lower with WHIP. 343 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:35 Justin Duchscherer MR with some save opportunities. 51 K's in 55.1 innings with WHIP 1.10/ 3 or 4 wins possible/ less innings than starters 344 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:41 Duchscherer was pick 10.16 Pick 11.1 Jonathon Broxton MR LAD Future closer/middle reliever now. K's are good asset(97 in 76.1 innings) Saves might not be high unless Saito falters. 2.59 ERA 345 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:50 12.16 John Patterson Pitched hurt last year--WHIP 1.11 & 1 K/inning. Full strength this year. My own personal run on pitchers & MR's. You don't know what a pitcher can accomplish after an injury. Rather bet on a comeback than a high expection. 346 achess       ID: 15051204       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:51 13.01 Jonny Gomes DH/OF Shoulder injury. Started last year .305/.453/.732 before injury. Good base runner & 30+ hr potential. 347 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 08:18 Really glad I woke up when I did. Hopefully I'll get to do my next pick before taking off in a bit. 348 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 08:58 rheo - if not I can take care of your queue. I will be here all day 349 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 09:06 Thanks. I'm here until 11 or so and then gotta go out for a couple of hours. I'll hit you up with one if it doesn't come back to me. 350 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:18 Queue sent youngro. Thanks, should be back in a couple of hours. 351 Tree       ID: 11218186       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:46 Astade times out in about 30 minutes. if he does, i'll pick. Astade - if you do show up to make your pick in the next 30, stick around. i'm here, and will pick pretty quickly... 352 rheo       ID: 444201319       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:07 damn tree and astade, one of you is always grabbing my guy on the way back to me. anyways gone for the day. have a good one all and thanks again for making my pick 353 Tree       ID: 11218186       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:15 ok. we are in round 16 right now. in another draft i'm in, we just went through 18 picks - nearly two full rounds - in less than an hour. let's get cracking here and bang this thing out by Tuesday night!! 354 Tree       ID: 332181813       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 17:10 JH timed out again - for BOTH picks: Roll of the Dice-K is up. 355 dror       ID: 5283329       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 17:38 Tree I sent you a que for my 16th pick. thanks 356 Mikel       ID: 32237410       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 20:00 I left a one man que in the chat forum...later guys. 357 Tree       ID: 302171817       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 20:11 this is the chat forum...what are you talking about? 358 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 23:23 Tree, I emailed you a que for rounds 16 and 17. Once again, thanks for all your help in the draft so far. 359 Tree       ID: 302171817       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 23:29 well, i've got queues for Khahan and Chess, so we could turn this around quick if i had any idea what the heck mikel meant in post 356. i'm going to bed in like 5 minutes, so it's gonna sit over night if we dont figure it out. 360 Tree       ID: 302171817       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 23:53 well, i'm off to bed. i give up. i have NO idea what Mikel meant in post 356... 361 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:12 Pretty sure this is what he meant. 362 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:41 Hey all, We have 7 full rounds to get through yet. We MUST average more than a round a day because I need time to finish inputting teams. I've been putting players in sporadically as we go along. But it will still take some time at the end to finish inputting and making sure they are all correct before I start the season. And we need this all done in enough time for players to clear waivers after the draft so people can add/drop and tweak their teams before Opening Day. The 3 hour clock has not really seemed to help all that much. We are still getting stuck in places. I just had an 11 team, 25 round draft that started on March 12 FINISH today. I'm going to shove this down everybody's throats: 1. Use ques 2. 1 and 2 man ques are NOT acceptable unless you are up in 2-3 picks. If you send a 2 man que and you have at least 5 people before you, tough. Do some research. 3. Send ques to multiple people. 4. Check in often, whether or not you are using a que 5. 3 hours is already a bit harsh. I do not want to have to make it a 2 hour clock. Ques will help prevent this from happening. 6. If you have not found a common theme in points 1-5, I suggest reciting the alphabet between P and R over and over again. We are setting a goal right now: To be done with this draft by 11:59PM EST, Friday March 23. If we are not, I WILL do a clock analysis and those who have been found to be holding the clock up this week (IE: taking more than half their allotted time per pick on average) will have a 1 hour clock. Starting Tuesday, the clock runs from 7am EST until midnight. 363 Nerfherders       ID: 64532914       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 01:22 I understand that we need to finish soon, but I have an issue with making the clock start at 7am. Im sure I am not the only one on the west side of the country and this would be 4am on the west coast. Thats somewhat unreasonable. How about making it go to 1am instead? 364 Astade       ID: 57544126       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 01:52 I second Nerfherder's post (#363). I've held up the draft a couple of times now, and I'm sorry for that. Being on the west coast, however, a 4am start time is a bit difficult. I'd rather reduce the clock to 2hrs. 365 Tree       ID: 46215194       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 06:36 Pretty sure this is what he meant. how random. i don't even know how to access that thread - i don't see it on the pulldown menu (unless i'm missing it.) lol Im sure I am not the only one on the west side of the country and this would be 4am on the west coast. Thats somewhat unreasonable. no, not really. the clock runs until midnight east coast time. that's 9 pm on the west coast. so if you west coasters check in before you go to bed - say 11 pm your time, your time will not really be up until 7 am your time, which is reasonable at this late juncture. besides, that's what queues are for. if you think you might miss your time, LEAVE A QUEUE. i was in the same 11-team, 25 round draft as Khahan. it was smooth as silk. if i knew i was not going to be around, i left queues with the one person picking in front of me, and the two behind me. most other people did the same, and for many rounds, i picked for myself, and the two people after me. this weekend we got an incredible amount of work done - i mean, i think we got 5 or 6 rounds done, if not more. in this draft? from the clock start on saturday until the clock end on sunday we got a round and a half done, which, is GREAT for this draft, but sucky for all others. people are timing out, leaving queues in odd places, leaving very short queues, disappearing when they're near an end and know they may be right back up (i mean, come on - you're near the end, check back in in 30 minutes or something!), and all sorts of things. some people have mea culpaed and said "look. right now is busy season at my job, and i will try to leave queues, and i will probably time out." i can dig that. it happens. it's frustrating, but at least people like that are trying, and explaining absences. other people are disappearing randomly, being arrogant about it when called on it, and so on. look - this is fantasy baseball. it takes second fiddle to real life, absolutely. but i also believe that when you enter into a league and/or draft, you are making a commitment, and you have a responsibility to your fellow league owners to your damnedest - and i find it hard to believe that many people here are. it causes me great concern for this league, because i question the committment and seriousness of the players. if you're not in the top five at the all-star break, are you going to quit? anyway, enough of that rant. maybe i just need more coffee. but Khahan's new clock is hardly outlandish, if you look at the back end. the odds of you sleeping through your pick - even on the west coast - isn't that likely, if you check the board before going to bed. 366 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 06:46 Actually, I think Nerf has a good point. The whole of setting the clock stop/start is that we are not penalized on time while we sleep. It can be tough enough on west coasters as it is having their clock start at 5am already. I'll gladly concede that point and run the clock from 8am EST until 1am EST. Us east coasters lose about 2-3 hours due to sleep on the end of that clock. The west coasters lose about the same on the beginning of that clock. As of Tuesday, the clock runs from 8am EST util 1am EST. 368 rheo       ID: 444201319       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 07:50 Working midnights really sucks for these draft since I know that basically I'll be asleep for around 8 hours during the draft. I'll try leaving queues (and updating my schedule so as to try and not hold things up) as I've been lately but a couple of things. 1-I hate leaving huge queues. The lack of control is hard to deal with (ie. position runs). Also I'm sure the last thing someone taking a queue wants is 3 pages of instructions (yeah that's exagerating but you know what I mean) 2-If we zip through a round in a couple of hours and it's back to me then I'll most likely time out (unless my queue somehow lasts) I'll try to add a couple of guys I think might last (ie-picking them in my opinion a round or 2 early) at the end of the queue that I'm interested in but you never know what can happen. I'm not trying to be a pain, just trying to be honest with my situation. At the same time I don't want to handicap my team (I do a good enough job of that myself) As for today I'll be around for a couple of hours but I plan to go to bed fairly early. I'll have a queue ready for when I'm taking off. 369 rheo       ID: 444201319       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 07:52 On a seperate note, should we possibly consider a new thread. This is getting pretty long :) 370 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 08:31 I understand this is very very tough on people. I for one dont want to have to check in more. But all of these restriction will be waived if we just start picking! Also, remember, I will be at my computer most days from 9-5pm then again from 8-11pm. Send me an e-mail and I can handle your que. 371 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 08:54 same here. i am at my computer at work 9 to 5 eastern most days (with meetings tossed in here and there), and at home from about 8 to 11 (except for when i plop down in front of the boob tube, but even then, i check email every half-hour or so)... now you have TWO people who around a computer quite often - yes, leaving a queue sucks. but, what sucks more, is a draft that lasts a month. i think Khahan has been VERY lenient. if i were commish, we long ago would have gone to a 2 hour clock from 9 am to midnight eastern time, with a 4 hour clock from midnight to 9 am. it's time people. as two of my favorite wrestlers say, it's "time to man up," and get this thing done. 372 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 09:30 I'm generally around from 9 to 5 as well unless I get pulled into a meeting. I have to go out tonight so I will create a rather lengthy queue and send it to someone this afternoon. Sorry for the slight delay this AM, my commute is from 7 - 9. 373 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:40 Anyone have DROR's queue? 374 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:50 for the last round, not for this one. he didn't leave instructions to continue using it. 375 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:59 just checked my e-mail, no que left from him. 376 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:03 and his time is up in 25 minutes, and Wiggs is up after that. hopefully Wiggs is around...otherwise, it's looking like another long, wasted, day. 377 rheo       ID: 444201319       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:18 Queue sent to Dice. I should be back around 8:30 pm or so to check in. Have fun all. 378 wiggs       ID: 47228127       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:23 i am here 379 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:32 i emailed philflyboy to let him know Wiggs was about to pick. unfortunately, i can't find a pick for YOUPLAYTOWINTHEGAME, and he does not have it listed on the Yahoo site. YOUPLAY - please post your email here, or make it active on the yahoo site. thanks. 380 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:45 just emailed Nerf to let him know that if YOUPLAY picks, he's up next. 381 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:39 so, on Friday, youplay said: Hey guys, sorry about the past few days. My internet has been struggling at home, so I haven't been able to pick, but now its settled. I'll catch up on some of my rationales too. I'll make an emergency que and if anything happens again I'll find a comp to send it out. i'm guessing no one got that queue? i'm asking, because he timed out on 2 of his last four picks, and has gone over 2 hours on 5 seperate occassions. 382 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:41 no queue here... 383 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:46 I for one have to say thank you to Tree. I really appreciate the effort you've put forth to keep this thing moving. You've done a great job and I havent read a single thing that you've said that was offensive or malicious. Thanks for all the effort. This thing really needs to get done by Friday. I'd even suggest going down to a 1 hour clock on the weekend, and banging this thing out. If you get passed, you get passed, and you pick when you finally get on the computer. 384 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:55 one hour is very quick - heck, for some of us, that's a commute. lol... that's why i'd reccomend the what i proposed up above: if i were commish, we long ago would have gone to a 2 hour clock from 9 am to midnight eastern time, with a 4 hour clock from midnight to 9 am. i'll add to that: if you get skipped, and still haven't picked when it comes back around, you DO NOT get a new clock. i know i've pissed off some people here. that's fine. i've made friends on this board. i've got people who don't like me. all i'm trying to do is get a draft done that really should have been done 2 weeks ago. 385 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:07 I'd second post 384. 386 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:24 Hey Philly. I'm gonna send you a couple of Q's for this league too while I'm at it. I already sent CMSL 387 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:24 No problem, send away. 388 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:26 JH - it oughta be a little calmer at your bar right now, at least until thursday! ;o) 389 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:28 Yea, a break in the action. It was a fun weekend but it put a hurtin on me. The staff hung out till abuot 4am on St. Patty's Day 390 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:31 JH made your pick for you in CMSL. Can you send me the league info for that league. I was never given it since I took over a team mid draft. 391 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:05 Nerf is up in 30, i believe. 392 I hate philadelphia       ID: 172201913       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:23 JH I received your Queue. I'm leaving at 5:00 so if I have to leave I will pass your queue along to whoever I give mine to. 393 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:30 i do leave around 5:45, and get home around 7ish. parking might be amazingly bad around my place because of the snow storm though, so we'll see. i cannot believe we are about to have our second time out of the day. we are going no where fast. i'm at the point where i'm ready to say we should go to a 24 hour clock with a 1 hour time limt. 394 youngroman       ID: 3751268       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:33 if you need a queue-holder, I am available until 8pm ET. after that I may need one myself. 395 dror       ID: 5283329       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:55 sorry about the pick guys, my internet provider had a meltdown and it took them a few long hours to figure it out... I will pick in a few minutes 396 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:24 R9 is up! 397 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:43 i emailed him. i guess he hasn't picked. this simply isn't working. i'm just make the rest of my later tonight. serious. we seem to be making less and less progress. we've made 5 picks today since the clock started. tonight, i'm going to list the rest of my picks. and that's who i want on my team. i suggest anyone else who actually gives a $hit - and i suspect that's less than half this league - do the same. 398 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:47 Ya know, the other thing to do is have a due date, and whatever round that is, we end it there. YOu wanna fill your roster out, hit up the free agent listings. This is depressing though. 399 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:52 Tree I sent you a queue for me and JH. Does this mean you are packing it in? 400 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:53 i really think it's time for something drastic. i disagreed with it earlier, but i think a one hour clock is the way to go. from 9 am to midnight eastern, a one hour clock. (that's 6 am to 9 pm on the west coast, which isn't unreasonable). from midnight to 9 am, a four hour clock. enough worrying about what is fair and what isn't fair. we've had weeks to deal with that, and what's bloody unfair is for those of us who want to draft but we can't because everybody else has some damned random excuse. 401 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:08 Hey, I have Sandwich Statics que, so if you guys have Jackhammer's and Young Roman's is good to go, we can get those out quickly! NO ONE IS PACKING IT IN! The worst thing to do after all this is to quit. 402 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:12 no, i'm not packing it. i'm making my picks, and i'm making them out of turn. :o) 403 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:13 haha, hey, depending on how long this goes, i might be right there with ya Tree! 404 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:15 and now... Astade, who has timed out three of the last four back-to-backs, is up. 405 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:20 i'm leaving my office in about 25 minutes. if i come up between 5:45 and 7:15 pm eastern, does anyone want a queue WITH INSTRUCTIONS? 406 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:34 I'm in for the evening and can take ques for tonight. Any que sent to me will not monitored through tomorrow though, so if you use me, send it to a back up. 407 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:36 Khahan - sending you a queue. it's basically for time frame of about 5:45 to 7:15 tonight, while i'm on my drive back home. 408 dror       ID: 5283329       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:38 Tree I sent you a que for my next pick 409 Tree       ID: 29082512       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:38 Khahan - sent to your gjhfantasysports address. you should have it now. leaving here in about 5, so if you're around to check and confirm, please do so. :o) and yes, i ranted like a madman all day. 410 Tree       ID: 342591916       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 19:02 i'm back, and will pick for myself when Astade comes back, or when he times out. Dice-K: if Astade times out, i'm picking at the first commercial during Prison Break at around 8:12 pm eastern. if you've got another queue pick for Sandwhich, be ready to go with it, because no way should someone who timed out get a brand new three hours on the clock. 411 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 19:57 sorry tree, kids ending up eating more time than expected this evening. They are in bed now so I can actually check in regularly for the rest of the evening. 412 rheo       ID: 444201319       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 20:35 I'm here, making my pick when I catch up. 413 Mikel       ID: 32237410       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 20:49 Que sent to tree. 414 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 21:08 Tree, do you have more for JackHammers? He's back up. 415 Tree       ID: 342591916       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 21:08 i think Philly has Jack's queue.... 416 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 21:09 I'm here (believe it or not) I can pick 417 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:07 I'm turning in for the night. Tree has a que for me that is good until its used up (the one I sent you the other night). 418 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:32 I wrote a long post but decided to delete it. I'll summarize it quickly. Tree, I know you're frustrated and want this thing done, and we appreciate your effort, but its getting a bit tiresome to always see you complaining about a timeout or someone taking a while. My school's wireless network was down, I missed a class to ensure I could pick as soon as possible, and there's this waiting for me: i emailed him. i guess he hasn't picked. this simply isn't working. And Khahan spends time with his kids, and because of your 2000+ posts today feels the need to appologize for it. I know you're a good guy and mean well, but its rubbing me (and others) the wrong way and if I don't say anything about it you'll continue to do so without knowing. So this is me asking you to please tone it down. Khahan is on top of things as commish and will alter the clocks as he deems necessary. Its good enough for me, and it can be good enough for all of us. If its really annoying you to be spending all day watching 5 picks go by, do something else and send a queue to someone. :) 419 Tree       ID: 342591916       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 23:02 r9 - 1. everyone has an excuse. this went down, that went down, this happened, that happened. it works for a week or so. it stops working when the draft goes nearly four weeks, and we'll actually be lucky if it only goes that long. 2. khahan was apologizing because he thought he would be around sooner to take a queue, not because he felt bad. 3. as i said in a previous post, it really doesn't matter to me at all if i rub people the wrong way, or piss them off. at this point, i feel a certain right to be pissed off, because there are just enough people not giving two $hits about this draft. i look forward to drafting, and i take it seriously enough to commit to it. if you're not going to make the commitment, then you shouldn't sign up. 4. i've taken pretty good strides to not make it personal. because it's not personal. it's about making an effort, and 3/4 of a round a day is not making an effort. most of the people who are timing out are the same ones. it's not that hard to leave a queue. 420 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 00:25 As has been said Tree, yes, it can be difficult to leave a queue. If you're ten picks away and you don't know when a run will start/end or if your guys are all going to get picked, should that owner make a ten-man queue? Not practical at all. this went down, that went down, this happened, that happened. it works for a week or so. Actually, it works for eternity, or however long we will live. Our lives don't stop interfering after one week unfortunately. Our lives do not = an excuse for us. You've said you understand this; then understand it. it really doesn't matter to me at all if i rub people the wrong way, or piss them off. Fine. I said my peace. You rubbed me the wrong way and you don't care. I'll leave it at that. 421 Tree       ID: 342591916       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 00:28 If you're ten picks away and you don't know when a run will start/end or if your guys are all going to get picked, should that owner make a ten-man queue? Not practical at all. absolutely practical, if you know you're going to be away or not have ready access to a computer, and especially when a draft has run this long. ideal? no. practical? absolutely. 422 achess       ID: 15051204       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 03:45 I have sent ques to you. Hope it will hold up for me until 3:00 pm est. Thanks Tree. 423 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 06:36 Actually, R9, thanks for the thought and I know a number of people do feel similar. But I did not feel bad because of any posts. Just thought I'd be able to help out, made the offer and then I couldn't follow up. ...... I think the issue of the speed of the draft has been addressed quite enough. Lets just move discussion on to other topics. Like some of the nice picks that have been made in round 16 and 17 of a 24 man draft. Normally there is some kind of banter along these lines. Unfortunately, it has taken a back seat to other issues that multiple people are bring up over and over again. 424 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 06:48 I have ques for the day sent out to Tree and R9. Thanks for the help if you can. I think there's some nice picks on there, too. Its getting pretty tough, though. Lots of quality drafting going on. Not really many players being 'missed.' 425 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:20 Yeah. I for one was pretty amazed Curtis Granderson was sitting out there this late. The guy leads off for one of the best offenses in baseball! Although he does have that all speed and no stolen bases tag. I also thought Rich Aurilia could be a great value pick this low. I mean, the guy's probably going to bat cleanup in SF and protect Bonds. He'll probably get some good RBI opportunities. 426 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:24 I was also actually suprised how the "runs" went. Seemed like 2nd basemen, SS, and RP went very quickly. While top 5 catchers stuck around for awhile, and mid-tier starting pitchers are still being picked now! 427 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:24 YouPlayToWin has timed out. PhilFly is up. i wonder if i have a queue from him, since i've gotten a lot. definitely some interesting picks coming up this late. there are players i marked as great values at this point in the draft, and other players i couldn't imagine drafting, and even a few that i had no clue who they were! there are still some nice players out there too... 428 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:40 yeah... its really interesting to see who will slip to me. I've got a list of guys I'd love to have on my team and every time someone that's not on the list is picked, im a happy guy. 429 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:40 Woooooooo, at least one of my picks in the draft is deemed decent. I was thinking the same about Aurillia. I've had my eye on him for a couple of rounds but didn't pull the trigger until now. Should put up decent numbers as the "young" guy in the lineup. Plus some nice versatility. I agree though. Been an interesting draft. 430 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:59 well its an interesting draft because if you have a guy you want, you gotta grab him when you can because he might not last a dozen picks later when it finally gets back to you. There were a few times when I know I reached (Derek Lee in the second round, Jeremy Sowers in the 16th or 17th). Lot more strategy then in a standard 12 team league. I kinda like it, you get the same effect in a NL or AL only league, but I like the idea of having both leagues available to pick from. 431 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:02 a dozen picks later?!?!? shoot, i'm waiting - what...26 slots between picks or something? 432 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:08 Yeah I know I've reached a couple of times (Dice-K, Tutlowski) More then a couple of times I've had my heart set on grabbing someone and had them grabbed. Tree and Astade have been killing me on the wrap around. All part of the fun. 433 philflyboy       ID: 111012139       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:27 I picked, sorry was thinking he had another hour I could have picked at 9:20 434 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 11:17 After Wiggs picks, the draft order is like this: 1. Red Scorpions 2. I hate Philly 3. Mikel 4. Khahan 5. Dayton 6. Dayton 7. Khahan 8. Mikel 9. I hate Philly 10. Red Scorp 11. Wiggs i have queues (provided the players last) for all the teams in bold. which means if Wiggs and I Hate Philly both stick around for a few after they pick, we can turn this thing around mightly quickly... 435 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 11:32 I'll be here all morning 436 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:34 DAMN YOU WIGGS 437 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:35 alright. gimme 2 minutes to organize all these queues.. hopefully wiggs read the note to stick around... 438 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:42 I'll pick in a few minutes. I had no clear cut choice after Jacobs 439 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:44 i will be here 440 wiggs       Sustainer       ID: 04991311       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:59 something came up at work, Tree I sent you a queue. Please confirm so I can leave safely. 441 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 13:01 got it. 442 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 13:24 man. thank you everyone who has left queues. i think most people got the top guys on their list, and we just whipped around and did 13 picks in 3 hours, probably a record for us. thanks again. that rules. 443 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 13:27 May I suggest something. If someone times out, they should be Automatically timed out until they return. Not another three hour wait. 444 I hate Philadelphia       Donor       ID: 471592812       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 13:27 Yeah thanks for the help with the draft tree. 445 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 13:44 next 5 picks are: 19.07 PhilFlyBoy 19.08 YouPlayToWin 19.09 Nerf 19.10 R9 19.11 Dice-K if PhilFly picks before YouPlay comes back, i see no reason that Nerf shouldn't go right on and pick. 446 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 14:45 YouPlayToWin hasnt made a pick since late Sunday night and has not yet made it online to make up the pick he missed early Monday. I see no reason why we should wait another three hours to go. Nerf, fire away with your pick! 447 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 14:57 we are moving well today. this is cool. right now, Griffey Jr in the 19th round has all the potential to be a steal. probably the perfect spot for him. if he stays injured, he doesn't damage your team. if he stays healthy and hits well, you've got a steal. 448 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:06 sent you some Q's Tree. off to work 449 Nerfherders       ID: 501035289       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:15 I'm going to stick to the rules. However, it's not looking good for him. I hope he didnt tank. 450 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:31 I'm going to stick to the rules. Khahan - can we get a ruling on this tonight, when you get two minutes? standard draft rules do not give you another clock when you get skipped - but i'll stand by what you decide. still, someone who has already cost us 3 hours at one point in the day shouldn't cost us another three. 451 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:33 Alright, well if he times out itll be at 5:32pm. Tree, I just sent you out a que. I'll be commuting and then at the gym between 5pm and 7pm. My pick will probably come up then. Could you please let me know that you got my que? Thanks 452 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 15:40 i got your queue. i'm commuting from 5:45 to 7, so there you have it. :o) and i think at this point the max he gets is 2 hours on the clock, based on some of Khahan's earlier posts. 453 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 16:12 I think if a guy times out once, then it comes back, and he still hasnt made the pick, then he shouldnt get another clock. But once he checks in and gets up to date on his picks, then he gets the 3 hour window back. I think that's fair, but your right, we should make a ruling one way or another. 454 Roll of the Dice-K       Donor       ID: 591001611       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 16:35 Tree, if you see it before I do, you can make the pick for me, otherwise I'll make the pick myself. Also, that's one crazy commute! Mine is an hour and I hate it! 455 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 16:38 well, my commute isn't really that long. it depends on traffic, and can be anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. but i usually have to circle the block a few times to find parking. sometimes, i get lucky, and there is a space right around my apartment, but sometimes, i have to loop around for a bit... 456 Tree       ID: 29082512       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:38 ok. NOW Nerf is on the clock. :o) 457 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:00 Tree: No subway? ;) 458 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:03 i work on long island and live in Queens. i used to take the subway to the LIRR to a taxi to my office, but, obviously, that sucks. :o) 459 Astade@work       ID: 401261918       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:59 queue sent to Dice-K and Khahan. I'll be out for the next 2 hrs. 460 i hate philadelphia       ID: 360221120       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:19 Tree you a met fan? We should go to a game sometime. I live in the area. 461 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:23 huge met fan. i live right off the 7... 462 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:35 fell asleep, catching up and making my pick in a minute. 463 i hate philadelphia       ID: 360221120       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:38 I have tickets to about 15 games so far this year. Hope to go to a few more. 464 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:40 i have tickets to none. lol. but there are games this season with actually 2 buck upper reserved seats...lol...i'll be at those! 465 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:46 Sorry to hold things up. Meant to leave a queue but fell asleep watching a movie. Glad it was only an hour. Also glad my player was still available. I'll be around til about 10 est, if it gets back to me. I'll be watching hockey but I'll keep checking in. 466 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:50 don't leave! astade left a queue with a couple people, and i'm here. it should come right back to you! 467 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:54 I'm not leaving, just walking the 10 feet to my bed to watch hockey and checking back on commercials. My Leafs are fighting for a playoff spot. I'm sure the possible five minute wait will be ok :) 468 Roll of the Dice-K       ID: 281532720       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 21:24 No one has a que for Sandwich Statics? I've been getting them, but he didnt send me one today. Isnt the one who works the night shift? 469 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 21:26 ummmmmmmm that's me and I picked like 20 minutes ago. waiting for the turn around 470 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 21:29 Dice K - we're waiting for you to use Astade's queue! 471 rheo       ID: 444201319       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:01 Sent a queue to you Tree. Off to work. 472 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:07 I just posted Astade's pick from his que and that was one of the most painful fantasy sports things I've done! How could I miss Lowry? This will be the only league I do not have him in. Bit disappointed in myself. I think Lowry may be the best valued pick of the draft. 473 Tree       ID: 192502016       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:18 i'm pretty beat from drafting late every night recently, and plan to go to bed in about an hour - just past 11 eastern time. does anyone want some queues that people might have sent to me? 474 wiggs       ID: 60103021       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:45 you can send them to me tree, i will be up til around midnight or later. 475 dror       ID: 5283329       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 00:00 YouPlayToWin is now 3 picks behind, and last time he showed up was more then 48 hours ago... shouldn't we start addressing this situation? 476 Tree       ID: 3721214       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 06:17 hey guys - i'm out for much of the morning, dealing with the DMV. don't send queues to me if your pick is upcoming. :o) as for YouPlay, i do think we need to address it. he did mention earlier that he was having internet problems, but that it had been corrected. still, we might need someone to take over his team ASAP? (although we might have to start a new league in yahoo for that to happen) 477 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 06:22 Hey Guys, things arent getting any easier here. Well, the good news is we've got a brand new computer at work. The bad news is that most of it is still ON THE FLOOR IN THE BOX. No access from there for the next few days. I've sent a updated Q to Tree with some oddball picks that should make it through a few rounds. I'll be back around 8 tonight (WED), some of the AM tomorrow and Fri AM, and then sometime late Friday night. I'll be checking in but my Q should cover it. Use the cell # if you need to Wiggs, good to see you back around. Hope everything has come back to earth for you bud. Obviously my work issues don't compare. 478 Khahan       ID: 132531514       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 06:36 Because of the issues with Yahoo, its going to be tough to hand over Youtoplaywin's team. however, I am posting to solicit a replacement drafter. Once the draft is over, we'll see what youplaytowin does and address league action within yahoo from there. 479 Jack Hammers       Donor       ID: 236482918       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 06:39 ... I'll send this Q to youngroman also 480 rheo       ID: 444201319       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:22 We really need to start a new thread. This is getting crazy long. Anyways Dice you around for a queue? I'm going to be in bed soon and back around 3 or 4. Probably won't be needed but just in case. Thanks 481 R9       Leader       ID: 02624472       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:40 New Thread Here. 482 Tree       ID: 102592116       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 22:42 Mikel times out in about 15 minutes... 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