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0 Subject: CMSL Keeper and Prospect declaration

Posted by: Andrew - [55121240] Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 21:35
Use this spot to declare keepers and prospects.

Include a list of your 5 keepers, your called up prospects and your kept prospects. After all keepers are declared we can work on the draft order here as well...

My keepers
B.J. Ryan, RP, TOR
David Wright, 3B, NYM
Garret Atkins, 3B, COL
Jake Peavy, SP, SD
Victor Martinez, C, CLE

Called up Prospects
Jason Kubel, OF, MIN

Kept Prospects
Chuck James, SP, ATL
Carlos Quentin, OF, ARI
Russ Martin, C, LAD
1Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 21:46 		I think these were all the final keepers for these guys. Feel free to make corrections until Midnight ET tonight.

Todd

5 Keepers
Alex Rodriquez
Ichiro
Travis Hafner
Brandon Web
Joe Nathan

Call up
Homer Bailey
Alex Gordon

Kept prospects
Annibal Sanchez
Andrew McCutchen

clv

5 Keepers
1.) Ryan Howard, 1B, PHI
2.) Miguel Tejada, SS, BAL
3.) Andruw Jones, OF, ATL
4.) Felix Hernandez, SP, MIL
5.) John Lackey, SP, ANA

Prospect Keepers
1.) Justin Upton, OF, ARI

Stomodotcom

5 keepers
1. Jose Reyes, SS, NYM
2. Miguel Cabrera, OF, FLA
3. Vladimir Guerrero, OF, LAA
4. Grady Sizemore, OF, CLE
5. Adam Dunn, OF, CIN

Call up
Nick Markakis, OF, BAL

Kept Prospects
Anderson Hernandez
Crain Hansen
Brad Eldred
Brian Bannister


revvingparson

5 Keepers
1. M. Teixeira
2. C. Utley
3. P. Fielder
4. R. Weeks
5. S. Drew

Prospects Kept
Ian Stewart-3B-Col
Ryan Braun-3B-Mil
Matt Kemp-OF-Dodgers

wazaaap_guy

5 Keepers
David Ortiz
Matt Holliday
Jimmy Rollins
Jason Bay
Ben Sheets

Call Up
Jeremy Sowers

Kept Prospects
Brandon Wood
Mike Pelfrey
Carlos Gonzalez
Jason Hirsh
2GolfFreak
      ID: 1511301117
      Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 21:57 		Keepers for GolfFreak's Idiots
1.Carl Crawford (TB - OF)
2.Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
3.Chone Figgins (LAA - 2B,3B,OF)
4.Juan Pierre (LAD - OF)
5.Brad Lidge (Hou - P)

Call Up
1.Scott Olsen, SP, FLA

Prospect Keepers
1.Andy LaRoche, 3B, Dodgers

Picking draft position
What ever the highest spot left is, either #1 or #2
3wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 22:32 		keepers

santana
oswalt
abreu
furcal
Damon

prospects
milledge
hughes
young
loewen


Add Eds 2 and 3 picks for my 10 and 11
4Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 23:10 		Keepers - edited: (Wish we had 7 keepers instead; would have had a killer team!)

Joe Mauer
Michael Cuddyer
Michael Young
Bronson Arroyo
Carlos Zambrano

Base on post #102, Roy Halladay for my 1st pick
Trade with Wiggs - Jim Thome and Vernon Wells for my 2nd & 3rd pick
5Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Mon, Feb 26, 2007, 23:11 		These are my keeper prospects
Andy Marte. 3B, Atl
Felix Pie, OF, ChC
Justin Huber, C, KC
Eddy Martinez-Esteve, Of, SF

Drop
Edison Volquez, SP, Tex
6Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 02:06 		Keepers

Alphonso Soriono
Hanley Ramirez
Justin Mourneau
Chris Carpenter
Bobby Jenks

Call Up
Hayden Penn

Prospects
Yasmiero Petit P Fla
Joel Guzman 3b TB
Cameron Maybin Of Det
Thomas Diamond P Tx


7PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 05:26 		Keepers:
- Albert Pujols
- Carlos Beltran
- Carlos Lee
- Aramis Ramirez
- Francisco Rodriguez

Called up prospects:
- Joel Zumaya
- Anthony Reyes

Kept prospects:
- Chad Billingsley
- Adam Miller
- Jarod Saltalamacchia

Will receive Ed's 1st pick in exchange for my 9th pick.

In regards to that: Ed, you have to keep the players you traded for, I think?
8oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 05:53 		Keepers

- Lance Berkman
- Derrek Lee
- Gary Sheffield
- Brian McCann
- Derek Jeter

No call-ups

Kept prospects

- Cole Hamels
- Howie Kendrick
- Jeff Clement
- Billy Butler
9Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 09:43 		Ed- Are you trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for Halladay, Wells and Thome and then not keeping any of them?

Each person fill in your name as your turn comes up to pick, and repost the edited draft order below(its blank right now...) Remember, its a snake, so we don't need to make this a waste of time by picking 1 then 2 then 3 all the way to 12 . PheonixV is up.

Inverse order of last years finish:
1. PhoenixV 82-129-9
2. GF 93-117-10
3. Rev's redbirds 91-113-16
4. Jack Hammers 100-114-6
5. CLV 98-110-12
6. baseballislife 106-103-11
7. wg 106-102-12
8. StomoDotCom 111-101-
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11

Draft Order

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
10Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:03 		RE: #9
Why am I not keeping any of them?
11StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 10:59 		Ed,

I emailed you about this too because I don't know who the cross off on my player list. Take a look at Post #4.

You declare Mauer, Cuddyer, Yound, Zambrano, and Arroyo.

Then you mention you've traded for Thome, Wells, and Halladay. So it just seemed kind of odd that first you mentioned your keepers and then the guys you traded for.

Anyway, I think if you reposted your 5 keepers it'd help clarify everything for us.

Take care Ed.
12PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:09 		I guess you're not on the same page as the rest of us, Ed. The idea is that you can only keep 5 MLB players, so if you pull off a lot of trades before the deadline, you need to keep the players you traded for. Since you obviously wasn't aware of this, it's all right if you want to cancel the deal with me. Of course, if you still want to do it, I'm not complaining. :)

As for my draft order pick, I have to pick Manny if he's available (can't help it):

Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:49 		I traded my draft picks for these players. On my 1st draft pick, Mikkel will get my 1st pick and I will get Mikkel's R Halladay. with my 2nd pick, Wiggs will get my second pick and I will get Wells and etc.

I still have my 5 keepers which have nothing to do with draft selections!
14PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:52 		Re 13: There's really no basis for that assumption in the league constitution. I'm OK with it, since it doesn't interfere with my plans, but some of the other owners might not be. Let's hear everybody out.
15StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 11:55 		Re 13 and 14:

I don't mind either. But it seems kind of odd that you would trade for Wells and Thome and still keep Arroyo for example. Since there are only 5 keepers Ed, that means you've traded your draft picks for 3 guys you don't intend to keep. In other words, Wells Thome and Halladay have to be 1 of yur 5 keepers.
16wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:04 		Ed, you must keep those traded guys as part of your 5 keepers, they are not extra keepers. I think we need to let him redeclare his keepers.
17Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:05 		Again, I didn't trade for my keepers, I traded my draft picks.
18Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:08 		Mikkel and Wiggs, I believe I traded you a draft pick in return for those nopted players. You should be keeping them on your keeper rosters and whern the 1st round comes, I get Hallaway and you get to pick my on my pick therefore Mikkel will get 2 #1 picks and I get Hallaway from his roster. In turn, Wiggs get my 2nd draft pick - therefore he get 2 #2 picks and I get Wells and etc. I didn't trade any of my keepers. Period!
19wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:10 		no, ed you did trade for your keepers, if you wanted to trade for draft picks you would have needed to do it after the draft was started and you would have needed to trade for other peoples keepers. Otherwise why wouldnt everyone want to trade for extra keepers? The way you are showing it you are getting roy halladay as your 1st round pick, Wells as your 2nd and Thome as your 3rd then getting additional picks from me at pick 10 and 11. That doesnt make any sense, why wouldnt everyone do these trades?
20Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:23 		That was the deal as I understood it. Why would I have needed to wait until after the draft began? I would think we could negotiate at any time. And I did trade for your keepers. You are suppose to declare Wells and Thome as your keepers and then on the draft picks, I get them and you get my 2 and 3 draft picks. The purpose of doing that is so you get better draft selections and I get certain players. I didn't trade you my keepers - I traded you my draft picks! Sorry but thats what I understood.
21wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:30 		Ed, you are being ridiculous, you just have to read the thread to see that i posted my keepers and said I was going to trade the other guys for picks. It makes no sense for me to trade you Wells and Thome for your 2nd and 3rd pick if they were my keepers, who am I going to get out of the draft that equals either of them? Then your trade with Mikkel, there is definately not going to be a top 5 pitcher available. You traded for keepers and gave up picks, that is why you are getting picks in return, otherwise you would have 3 extra picks as well.
22StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:31 		Alright at least we're begining to clarify things up lol.

Perhaps Ed misunderstood. But to clarify, if Ed traded his draft picks for Wells and Thome, the players would instantly go to your roster. So Ed, you can't trade a pick for a guy, and have the other manager stash him. If you gave Wiggs your 2nd and 3rd rounder, he'd give you Wells and Thome right away. So he can draft, and you can reshuffle your keepers.

It's kind of a strange situation, and not to get into anyone's business, but I'd be fine with letting Ed and Wiggs and Phoenix redo these deals.

I just want to know who to cross off my player list lol.

Good luck guys.
23Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:51 		Then these deals don't make any sense. Why would I give up top draft picks for comparable players to my keepers and then go drafting in the lower rounds? That makes no sense at all to me. That way I only get average players at those lower rounds while these other guys get their keepers plus, 2 first, second and 3rd round picks? Nope that makes no sense to me, sorry. You guys traded for my early round pick and if you didn't, there is no deal. I have excellent keepers, why would I give all of that up for lower round players. Sorry but no.
24revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:52 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4. Jack Hammers 100-114-6
5. CLV 98-110-12
6. baseballislife 106-103-11
7. wg 106-102-12
8. StomoDotCom 111-101-
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF (per earlier post)
3
4
5
6 Rev
7
8
9
10
11
12
25oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 12:56 		It seems there was a bit of a mix-up. Why not just cancel the trades altogether?
26PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:02 		Ed: The reason you would do the deal with me is that you would be guaranteed an ace pitcher in Halladay. That way you wouldn't have to be worried about other owners taking him just before you in the first round of the draft.

Anyway, I agree with oasiserfede, let's just cancel the two trades. Man, this is going to screw up my overall team age completely! Can we make this a one-year league? (just kidding) :)
27revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:03 		Guys, I would call the trades off, and let Ed post his five keepers from his roster prior to the trade. It is obvious that both parties were thinking totally different concepts--therefore Andrew I would encourage you as league commish to void the trades. I believe this will allow all parties to be satisfied, and the spirit of the league to remain in tact.


28StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:05 		Phoenix V, sent you an offer.
29Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:37 		I'll take 3rd pick
30revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 13:48 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5. CLV 98-110-12
6. baseballislife 106-103-11
7. wg 106-102-12
8. StomoDotCom 111-101-
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF (per earlier post)
3 Jackhammers
4
5
6 Rev
7
8
9
10
11
12
31wiggs
      ID: 60103021
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 15:24 		NO WAY, if ed didnt understand he needs to ask questions. The trades were done fair and square, he asked me questions and I explained them. Did he think we were stupid or something? There is no reason to make these trades if I am giving up 2 top players to get overal picks of 75 and 87 or whatever they are and Mikkel would give up a top 20 guy to get pick 65, that makes no sense. If these trades are void i am out.
32Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 16:15 		No but you would have me lose 2 and 3rd pick to get some 10th rounder or 75 or 87 as you put it for what? Those keepers are no better than the ones I have. So I lose 3 rounds of picking good players to get average players - that was not the deal sorry Wiggs. I dealt you draft picks for a keeper. And you can yourself stupid, but you speak for yourself.

33wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:01 		And you can yourself stupid, but you speak for yourself.

What??
34wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:02 		your keepers are cuddyer and arroyo, not quite wells or thome
35clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:07 		I'll take #4.
36PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 17:11 		Come on guys - this is hardly something to get so worked up about. I'm sure Andrew will allow a couple of extra days for this thing to get sorted out.

Ed, if you don't want to do any trades using the trading routine that everyone else thought was implied, just say it, and then we can simply cancel the deals altogether.

Wiggs, if you want to alter your keeper list to make room for Thome or Wells, that would be quite all right with me.

After all, this is only fantasy baseball... What am I saying? I can't finish that sentence! :)
37Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 18:21 		Wow. I missed a lot being out all day. I have to reread everything a couple times and think this all through, but if you guys can renegotiate these deals ASAP that would obviously be the best solution. My initial reaction is that its not PheonixV or Wiggs fault that Ed didn't understand the rules while he was trading with them, so I am inclined to either let the trades stand or even give a couple more days for more trades to be worked out. At the same time, I wonder if its in the best interest of the league to just let these deals go through screwing over one manager royaly when its the first offseason for our league, so Ed's questions had never been addressed before. In the mean time, Wiggs and PheonixV, if you can work out other deals or don't mind canceling the deals I implore you to consider it.
38 Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 19:04 		I sent everyone an e-mail...please respond ASAP.
39StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 19:34 		Andrew, sent you an email.
40StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 19:44 		...and second email.
41Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 20:33 		Ok - I didn't understand and I saw something completely different - but that is the honest truth. I did believe I was trading for a draft pick - I wouldn't have done it otherwise.

I have already tried to think of a compromise. I either take a 3 player loss in the 1st 3 rounds or not. That would guarantee me last place this year with a subpar lineup. That was not my understanding going into these deals. I believed I was getting these players in return for the draft picks. These three picks are not worth missing the 1st three rounds sorry.

I am not like Wiggs tho. This is the 2nd time I have hear him cry that he was quitting over something he didn't like. I am not going to cry and threaten to quit. I'll play the last place and move on - It's only a freaken game! I won't cry about it but I wouldn't be happy either. Thats how I see it. If you have any suggestions, I am willing to listen. But really whatever - Its just a freaken game.

I will try to compromise. So I propose this:
Wiggs, I will eat one player and you eat one player. I will eat Wells and my 2nd pick for your 8th pick.

Mikkel, I propose Halladay for my 1st and your 7th?

That will be my proposal.
42StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 20:57 		Wiggs,

Please take what I say as a fellow manager in a league, and not as someone trying to intervene in anyone's business.

You are perfectly justified in being upset. As it seems here, you and Ed agreed to a trade that turned out to mean two very different things. I am sorry this has occured to you; this is by no means your fault, because as you can see, even from my earliest posts in both forums, I assumed what everyone assumed, which what you assumed....2 guys goin to Ed for picks. You are not at all to blame.

However if you review the forums, I also think Ed is very honest (though it comes off as foolish) to assume what he did. His responses are consistent and what he says sounds the same until he gets corrected.

Now Wiggs, you have made a decision...and that decision was to trade Wells and your picks for Eds picks. The problem was you assumed (what the general consensus of all fantasy managers would) that you would be getting draft picks and sending guys off your roster, while Ed assumed something that is relatively bizarre. What do we do now?

Wiggs I hope cooler heads will prevail and you won't end up leaving our league. I personally have a great deal of respect for you and know you have been a patron of the boards for quite a while. While you are by no means obliged to and really can stick to your logical rationale that what you did is what 99.9% of fantasy managers would have assumed, I encourage you and Ed to try and strike out a deal. I don't know if it means much but Ed has placed an offer from what I see on the table, to try to solve the conflict.

Again, I hope that you guys can work things out. It'd be a shame to lose a manager right now and it sucks that we have to go through all this drama in our first off-season.

Give it some thought everyone. Perhaps there is a way out of this.

Those are my 2 cents. I'll just watch from here on out. Best of luck to you all.
43Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:07 		You know, StomoDotCom, don't go overboard with the I am stupid or Bizarre thing. I don't need you insulting me publicly either.

44Ed
      ID: 181152320
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:11 		You know. I am tired. I have had enough. Someone write to me when it's my turn to draft! If not, thats fine also.
45Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:24 		I almost forgot about all of this through all the drama.

Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. wg 106-102-12
8. StomoDotCom 111-101-
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7
8
9
10
11
12
46StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:26 		Ed, no where did I call you stupid or foolish. I merely stated that we assumed something that generally happens, but the opposite occured.
The last thing I am out to do is insult you or any one else.

I hope this all works out.
47wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11118812
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:35 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. StomoDotCom 111-101-
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8
9
10
11
12
48StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 21:38 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9. K. S. All-Stars 112-101-7
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9
10
11
12
49PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 02:03 		Consider my deal with Ed cancelled, if no-one objects. I'm not letting this misunderstanding get in the way of a whole season of fantasy baseball.

But bear in mind that I'm going to use this as an excuse if my team fails miserably (which is not happening)! :)
50oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 02:25 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Ichihole 115-91-14
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9
10
11
12 K. S. All-Stars
51 Todd
      ID: 221341411
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 07:55 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11. Texas Slugger 118-88-14
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9
10
11 Ichi
12 K. S. All-Stars
52Ed
      ID: 414288
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 09:04 		Inverse order of last years finish:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. wiggs 123-86-11


Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9
10 Ed
11 Ichi
12 K. S. All-Stars
53Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 10:04 		Final Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9 Wiggs
10 Ed
11 Ichi
12 K. S. All-Stars
54clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 10:12 		I've been trying to stay out of it for the exact same reasons mentioned earlier. There was a huge blow up over this type of thing in another league I'm in (was in) yesterday. As one of the newest members invited to join your league, I honestly don't feel it's my decision to make, which is why I haven't voiced my feelings - you earn the right to speak up about these things by being a member of the league as you gain seniority. It is a shitty spot for Andrew to be in, but I'll have no problem deferring to his (or the rest of the league's) decision - whatever that is - and will support it...the biggest problem is that people seem to be missing the whole point of leagues like this - we all enjoy the competition, but when it becomes serious and personal, it's simply no fun for anyone, and really not worth our time if we dread doing it or dislike others in the league.
55Ed
      ID: 414288
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 10:43 		I am sorry CLV. I did not intend for all this to happen. I apologise to the entire league. I don't know what else to do to make this right.
56PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:15 		On another, more confusing note: Ed and I have agreed to do our previously mentioned deal anyway, using the trading concept which I originally envisioned.

So Ed gets Halladay and my 9th pick in the draft.
I get Ed's 1st pick in the draft.

Ed will have to change his keeper list in order to make room for Halladay. If someone finds this objectionable, you're in every right to speak up about it!
57oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 11:24 		1 deal down, 1 to go...........
58RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:00 		Wow...this has got to be your guys' first year with dealing with keepers.

From an outside look, semi-familiar with keepers and pre-keeper trades, Ed is definitely off in his thinking (although I can understand what he was thinking) and wiggs is a whiny beotch (see post 31). If you threaten to quit over a misunderstanding I say "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out".

Who is the commish? If its me the only way I see to get this straightened out is Kenesaw Mountain Landis style:

1. Cancel all related deals.
2. Rework any new deals if the involved parties want to.
3. Ed redeclare his keepers.

Thats my unwanted 2 cents.
59wiggs
      ID: 41152287
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:12 		RSF,
1st of all you are an outsider looking in so you dont know what has happened in the past. You probably need to get the whole story before you start the name calling. wiggs is a whiny beotch We have had situations in the past that have caused issues.
60wiggs
      ID: 41152287
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:13 		also are you telling me if you were in a keeper league and someone made a trade with you then backed out because "he didnt know what a keeper league means" you would just be like ok, no problem?
61RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:28 		You are right, it should read "comes off as a", not "is a"...

But, absolutely. If the someone is unfamiliar with the rules and does something boneheaded (and I do think this was boneheaded), you put aside what is best for you and do what is best for the league. And in this case, its what I said in post 58.

Is this the first year for keepers?
62GolfFreak
      ID: 1511301117
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:48 		Hmmm! It’s been a rough year for me in keeper leagues. Had one where manager was voted off, another one where 2 manager left, one that folded after 9 years, also joined 2 leagues where the managers have left over hard feelings. The reason I joined RotoGuru leagues was I wanted to get away from Yahoo bush leagues where they are backdoor deals, 1 owner 2 teams, quitting half way though and other total BS. Vetos seem to hurt peoples feeling so I try and stay away from voting. Sure it great to trade and help your team move up but at times you can also hurt the leagues balance by some very unequal deals. I think trades should help both teams. Sure you can take some wild chances. Misunderstandings happen a lot when there’s not a lot of commutation on why deals are done. Well I off to work. Should be back by 1030 2nite. Hope this all works out.
63wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 14:03 		RFS,
I have played in numerous keeper leagues and every one i have ever played in has done it this way. I have agreed to a compromise and in return i was told "f off" that is when i said I would leave. I dont like to play with people that make mistakes and wont admit to it. Either way, I think i have played in enough leagues to have a good enough rep on these boards not to be called a beotch.
64Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 16:46 		Basically, the plan suggested by RFS in post 58 is exactly what I've been trying to do. After many e-mails have been sent back in forth I think it is hopeless to try and get a compromise worked out at this point. After finding the general consensus of the league it seems that the deals have to be canceled, but many wouldn't mind seeing Ed pay up some sort of compensation to Wiggs. The deals can't go through. Its just not in the best interest of the league for one team to hand over a 2nd and 3rd round pick to another team in exchange for nothing because of a miscommunication. I'm willing to open up trading for a few more days if anyone wants to make an offer to Wiggs for one of his players, but I think thats the best I can do.

Ed just sent me an e-mail resigning from the league. Wiggs has said he would resign if the ruling were what it is. I truly hope both of them change their mind, and that we can all just try to have fun with this. If not, well unfortunately we will have to move on from there... Nobody was out to screw over anybody, and we are all in this league together to have a good time; I think we can still do that.
65oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 04:53 		Enough is enough.........I say we proceed with 10 owners and try to find 2 new ones for next season.
66PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 07:02 		Re 65: Still, that would really mess up the keepers. Either Wiggs' and Ed's keepers should go into the draft pool - which makes it impossible for expansion teams to get anything of worth next year - or players like Santana and Mauer "sit out" the year, which really damages strategic decision-making and kills the excitement.

But maybe it is the only solution left.
67revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 07:12 		First wiggs has not said that he is quiting, so we are short only 1 manager.

If he does then yes the keepers both prospects and MLB should be left on the sideline for this year, because the draft order would need to be reset--I would pick third knowing I had a chance at 4-5 quality guys (Santana, Oswalt, Mauer...). I say this since the draft order was determined before these guys left.
68RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 10:28 		I resign as "acting" commissioner, too... ;)
69wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 11:37 		i have been chatting with andrew on email. I told him I would stick around and that we came to a compromise, I was just waiting to hear back from him.
70Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 12:32 		I'm still dealing with some stuff and sending some e-mails back and forth. I've been asked to hold off on any league announcement until we get it all settled(hopefully extremely soon) Sorry guys, but just sit tight.
71wiggs
      ID: 511522814
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 19:17 		where do we stand?
72Andrew
      ID: 55121240
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 23:55 		Ed has decided to resign from the league. The 2 deals he made are void.

We have 2 options as I see it.

1) We find a new manager ASAP, who unfortunately wouldn't really be able to do much except declare keepers.

2) Have Cuddyer, Mauer, Arroyo, Zambrano and Young just sit the year out and procede with 11 managers.

To me its just whether we can find a manager or not.
73StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 00:02 		Well, it's not like Phoenix and Golf Freak as new managers taking over old teams, could do anything else but pick keepers (well draft picks too, but one could easily argue they would have taken the best available slots anyway...they did go 1 and 2 respectively).

It a shame Ed's gone (no chance he could return?), but we should find a new manager. Having guys sit out just messes the balance of everything up. Easier said than done I know but I say we wait until we can get an additional member.
74Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 13:07 		I started a thread in the baseball leagues and standings forum yesterday morning looking for a new manager and I just bumped it like 30 minutes ago...If anybody knows anyone who is interested, by all means get them in here.
75Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 11:45 		OK. I have one interested manager, and although it is not going to be neccessarily convenient, I think its feasible and probably our best chance. He cannot reach the rotoguru message boards from work, and thus can't make any picks for himself during those hours. He can however, e-mail his draft choice to any one of us. I am not too familiar w/ yahoo groups, but apparently it would be simple enough for us all to join one and send e-mails out after we pick so he is able to say updated. Of course, there is no reason why we have to draft on rotoguru either other then its just right here and seems good. Unless there is any objection I say we allow the manager into the league...he definitely seems enthusiatic about joining. Before I give him a final answer I want to hear from you guys though to see if thats doable. If there are no major objections then I think we have our 12th.

Obviously we might need to push the draft back a few days at this point to figure everything out. We don't have a whole lot of time, but remember we are doing a 4 hour clock this year instead of 6 so it should run much smoother. If this manager works out we will take as long as we need to get set up for the draft(within reason), otherwise we might know fairly soon how that goes and we can start the draft Wed. at the same time as we planned for Monday.
76oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 13:30 		Let's get this thing going.........
77wiggs
      ID: 3622449
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 13:54 		i do want to change back to my original keepers now that the trade is gone.

I will be keeping

santana
oswalt
abreu
furcal
Wells

prospects
milledge
hughes
young
loewen
78Andrew
      ID: 262950
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 01:30 		The manager I had lined up backed out. At this point we have to procede without one. Cuddyer, Mauer, Arroyo, Zambrano and Young will all just sit this year out. This sucks, but what else can we do...its the 11th hour to say the least and everybody who wanted to join a league joined one already. I'll open up a draft forum tonight, but the clock can start Wed. 9:00 ET since I just told everyone it would start Wednesday. Don't feel obligated to pick until then, because I understand if given the circumstances not everyone is prepared. The clock will be 4 hours per pick and go from 9:00 AM to 12:00 PM ET. On the weekends we will have a 6 hour clock. This could change to 4 if neccessary as the baseball season approaches.

Final Draft Order

1 PhoenixV
2 GF
3 Jackhammers
4 CLV
5 Andrew
6 Rev
7 WG
8 StomoDotCom
9 Wiggs
10 Ichi
11 K. S. All-Stars
79Andrew
      ID: 262950
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 01:36 		I've gone ahead and posted the draft thread.
80revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 08:01 		Andrew
Could we draft a "marker" team so that we do not have a bye week, just a thought?

Rev
81Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 10:08 		I don't understand...do you mean that like I make picks for the team, or it is just that 5 player team? I dunno about the first idea, it seems kinda iffy. I can do that if you guys want though. The 2nd idea just seems like a waste of time because it might as well be a bye.
82wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 10:20 		i think what he is saying is just draft the team by like best available player type thing. Maybe go off the yahoo preranks or something.
83GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:13 		Roy Halladay?
Hes not on draft chart. Is he a free agent? Traded?
84GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:16 		post #77 is Wiggs keepers he doesn't have 6.
85wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:27 		dont we only have 5 keepers?
86Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:27 		I see it. I posted again in the draft thread that Damon is available and Wells is not. Didn't mean to start discussion over there. Sorry guys.
87Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:37 		...and reguarding your post 83 GF, I pick after you so I reserve the right to remain silent
88PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:34 		Re 83: Unfortunately, Halladay is available in the draft.
89GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:50 		So i can go ahead and draft? Or we waiting till wed?
90wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:54 		Andrew said you can draft, but u dont have to
91I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:04 		I can help you draft a team if you want, I just don't want to get in a keeper league with those keepers.
92GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:46 		Well im not sure if i made a good choice or not. Went with a young player for the long term hold. Guess he will look good with Crawford and Zimmerman as keepers next year. Now if Lidge could only turn his game a round.
93StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:36 		Guys, looking for starting pitchers. Coming up soon, willing to trade picks and such. Let me know.
94StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:44 		Guys, looking for starting pitchers. Coming up soon, willing to trade picks and such. Let me know.
95oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:47 		Please respond to post #3 in the draft thread....
96wazaaap_guy
      ID: 4411563023
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:50 		sorry, where does it say the starting positions again?
97Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 15:05 		C,1B,2B,3B,SS,CI,MI,OF,OF,OF,OF,UTIL. 9 pitchers, 4 bench, 1 DL spot

From last years league archive at Yahoo
98Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 18:47 		Oasis, I would love it if you would do that. I owe a lot of you guys thanks for picking up my slack lately. I've been reall busy and I've been very sick and this headache with Ed and Wiggs just was a lot for me all at once, so I've been a little haphazard and behind on things. I finally got prepared for this draft though and made my pick.

I Hate Philadelphia - Unless anyone objects, we would love to have you make picks for Ed with the 10th pick(3rd in even number rounds). He has the 5 keepers mentioned above already, so draft accordingly. If you can't do it, then I will...but it would be helpful to us.
99StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:02 		Re: 98

So wait...we have 12 teams in the league?
100Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:45 		Yeah....I think thats for the best. We would have trouble getting a 12th team next year without having a full team to pick keepers from and assets to trade. Its going to be a fixer-upper either way, but still.
101Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:49 		Don't forget then, that Andy Marte. 3B, Atl; Felix Pie, OF, ChC; Justin Huber, C, KC; Eddy Martinez-Esteve, Of, SF; and Edison Volquez, SP, TEX are all taken by the non-managed team as well.
102StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 22:00 		So it will be a regular team (we can trade, etc.)? My initial thought was the team drafts and then the guys become off limits afterwards.
103Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 22:14 		I just sent I Hate Philadelphia an e-mail. For now I want to wait and see what he is up to since we haven't even started the official clock yet. If enough time passes I'll just make the picks based on yahoo rankings. If he does the draft, you can trade with him all you want, as long as he is dealing in the spirit of the game as if he were really going to be playing with the team.
104Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 22:15 		Also, could we try to put as little discussion in the other thread as possible. It gets kind of hairy when every few picks there is a comment. Its no big deal, but just if you think about it.
105GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 04:04 		Guys,
I have a personal issue that has come up and will leaving Tues nite and wont be back till Sat am sometime. I don’t think I will have much access at all. Im trying to get my buddy from Oregon to help me out, but if that falls through. Could I send someone a huge Q with some directions? I will be at work 9-530 then home for a few hours then on the road.
I will let you know what’s the plan is after work.
106 Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 04:23 		go ahead and send it to me at anytime. If there is anything else I can do to help, let me know. In the meantime I'll pick for Ed's team to try to get things moving for now before you have to leave in case that helps at all.
107oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 05:29 		Should I post the grid here on in the draft thread?

For now I will be posting a round-by-round grid. I will also be doing a complete overview of all rosters, which I'll post if requested.
108revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 07:34 		re:107 keep here helps keep draft thread clean
110i hate philadelphia
      ID: 5723066
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 07:41 		Andrew, email me the rules and I'll take over the draft from here.
I'll also help you guys manage his team throughout the season if
you want as I have an extra yahoo slot. I understand how having a
dead weight in a keeper league can be frustrating and no one
wants to just have those players locked throughout the year.

Anyhow I'm going to work now, I'll be back online in about 2 hours.
111oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:04 		A complete team-by-team overview of rosters, keepers and picks can be found here
112oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:06 		Check it out if you want to and let me know if you spot some mistakes, i.e players on the wrong team, stuff like that.....
113Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 10:10 		e-mail sent to you Hate.

It looks good oasis. If you dont mind post it in this forum, and delete the old ones as you go.
114oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 10:18 		Posted my picks twice because I messed up the formatting the first time around.
115oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 10:31 		I'll post round-by-round updates after every round and team-by-team updates after every other round and delete as we go along.....pick-by-pick updates will be available between 5 am ET and 5 pm ET on the site I linked to in post #111
117I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 471592812
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:20 		How do the call ups work exactly. If you have a prospect who pitched more than 50 IP last year you are able to call him up and keep him for free?

I'm confused how some teams had 7 players already on their major league roster coming into the draft.
118 I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 471592812
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:23 		Also is anyone interested in trading for any of my keepers? The only one I'm really attached to is Zambrano. Email me your proposals.

Players available are Mauer, Arroyo, Michael Young, and Cuddyer all for teh right price ofcourse.
119oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:36 		WG and Stomo picked early..........
120wazaaap_guy
      ID: 4411563023
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:38 		oh sorry, i just saw stomo go and picked after.
121wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:51 		really wanted putz, but i will live with matsui.

We really need to be more organized, skipping picks is really unacceptable.
122oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:52 		Wiggs, just pick one and Stomo and WG will have to pick again if you take Putz or Willis........
123StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:53 		Wiggs, I'm so sorry. I compleely forgot about the 12th team. Just to clear up, that was 2.05. Sorry!
124wazaaap_guy
      ID: 4411563023
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 14:20 		yea thats my fault to for not double checking... wiggs, you can have putz and ill repick?
125revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:30 		When you guys clear this up let me know and I'll pick.
126PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:43 		What exactly are the rules about the clock? If, say, Jackhammers makes his pick on the back-end of the snake at 10:00 a.m. ET, that would give GF 4 hours to respond, and I would have to make my pick(s) before 6 p.m. But what if GF pulls the trigger early at, let's say, 11:00 a.m. Do I then have to make my move before 3 p.m., or do I still have the extra time I had originally planned upon? It can really get messy trying to plan your day around the draft if you have to constantly keep check on whether the others have drafted ahead of time.

This might not turn out to be a problem, but I would just like to clear matters up.
127oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:12 		Re: 126,

Phoenix, your clock starts at the same moment that GF has picked.

If you want you can e-mail me your queues....

128Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:26 		Pheonix, thats why you get 4 hours to notice that its your turn. If you are going to be busy throughout the day, then leave queues with one of us and we will pick on your behalf.

Rev-its your pick now I think.
129GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:39 		My buddy (SO Pro's) from Oregon is going to help out. But if someone could text me I could give him a call and let him know Im up. Just go to

Texting site

Then fill in this info

to: 7156306367
message: Your up in CMSL

Thanks guys
130clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:50 		wiggs isn't online (on Messenger anyway)...I sent him an e-mail to let him know rev's waiting on him...he has my cell number to let me know when it all gets settled - I won't be online between now and 10 or 11, so if it gets squared away, I'll just tell him to post my pick for me.
131wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 08:14 		sorry, i was at an appointment all day for my wife and unable to check in to see what was going on. Leave it as matsui, i will survive.
132I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 471592812
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:01 		I'll be drafting in a moment
133blue hen
      Leader
      ID: 710321114
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:02 		Hey GolfFreak - it's actually spelled "you're"
134I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 471592812
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:03 		nevermind I'm not actually up. oops
135Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:10 		Sorry Wiggs. You can blame this one on me because I posted an incorrect draft order w/ 11 people. We all just have to do our best and be careful so this doesn't happen again.

The clock officially started at 9:00 ET this morning. So JackHammers has until 10:00 at the latest to pick.
136PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:12 		So who texts GolfFreak? I volunteer to do it from now on, if no one else has already done it.
137oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:14 		10 am? Andrew, are you sure it's not 1 pm?
138oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:15 		It doesn't matter. jack has already picked........
139PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 11:38 		Can somebody else please inform GolfFreak about the draft? The text messaging site won't load at the moment, and I'm heading off for band practice. I have sent my draft queue to Andrew.
140oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 11:48 		Message sent....
141PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:00 		Band practice was cancelled, so I got to make my own two picks. I hate to gloat, but those were pretty much the best picks ever made in fantasy baseball history.
145I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:27 		I'm trying to understand the rules, can I draft anothter teams prospect? And what does the 19 mean next to Alex Gordon?
146PhoenixV
      ID: 47239712
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:40 		Re 145: No, you cannot draft another team's prospect. Those are protected, just like MLB keepers. The 19 next to Alex Gordon means, that he is "drafted" in the 19th round, because his owner called him up from the prospect list to his MLB roster. That way you can actually keep 5 MLB players + any number of prospect you want to call up before the draft. Of course, if you do that, you lose your last picks in the draft, so your total number of players will be the same as everyone else's.

For example, I called up Zumaya and Anthony Reyes from my prospects list, so I lose my 19th and 20th picks in the draft.
147oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:44 		Re 111: An overview of kept prospects and picks in the prospect draft is now available at the aforementioned site.
148Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:58 		yeah...I meant 1:00...I'm dealing with Pacific time and it messed me up a bit. I'm glad you weren't at practice Pheonix, cuz I was out and didn't get your e-mail until just now. I'll do my best to be available for queues for everyone, but I may have to leave quite a few myself throughout the course of the draft.
149oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:15 		I can take queues between 2am PT, 5 am ET and 2pm PT, 5pm ET.
150clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:56 		Oh Jack Hammers, where are you???

(Thought I saw him post a couple times around 3 PM.)
151StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 17:42 		I too will take queues as I'll be around throughout the rest of the week. Feel free to send them.
152clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:24 		The clock officially started at 9:00 ET this morning.

The clock was 4 hours, right? I'll be around for a bit (probably another hour or so) and will make my pick if we need to move on, otherwise I'll wait for Jack Hammers.
153StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 19:05 		CLV I hope your clock doesn't run out too ;)
154clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 19:37 		Looks like my clock would run out at 9:43...I'll wait until around then to make my pick...hopefully JH pops in before then.
155clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:45 		Waited until the last minute for JH...guess it's appropriate to move on. If not, someone drop me a line...I should be around for another 30 minutes or so.
156Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:07 		Sorry guys, got back to me quicker than I thought
157I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:01 		Wiggs you interested in swapping prospects. I'll give you Mauer and Arroyo for your 5th and 6th round pick and swap of prospects.
159PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 14:04 		Re 157: I hate Philadelphia, what exactly are you swapping? If you're trading away Mauer for a fifth round pick, I'm all ears!
160PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 14:08 		Sorry, I just realized what you meant... I guess my adopted prospect list isn't as enticing as wiggs'. Anyway, if you like some of my prospects in a potential deal for Mauer, please let me know.
161wiggs@work
      ID: 38212815
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 16:21 		did you want like 1 prospect, or all of them?
162I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 17:16 		I meant swapping all prospects wigg. The team I inherited was a little weak and I am not overly enthralled with the prospects so I'm willing to trade Mauer and Arroyo to build from the ground up.
163PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 17:21 		I've sent my draft queue to Ichi and wiggs. I would have sent it to you, oasiserfede, since you volunteered, but I assume that you have the same time zone problems as I have.
165oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:19 		I could be at my computer updating picks as late as 730pm ET, 130am CEST, but it would not be smart to send me queues and expect me to make picks at that time or later.....
166wiggs@work
      ID: 38212815
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:29 		not interested in giving up my prospects. Sorry
167i hate philadelphia
      ID: 360221120
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:48 		To add insult to injury you take my next pick in NBBL!
168wiggs@work
      ID: 38212815
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:14 		sorry man.

About the prospect, i love who i have so trading them would hurt me alot.
169GF
      ID: 3230821
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 22:48 		Andrew

I just sent you a email for my next 2 picks.
Thanks!!! Will be head home in the AM but wont be back on line till Sat sometime. Use post #129
when it gets back to me thanks.
170Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 23:31 		Hey everybody...Kind of last second. I'm going to be out of town with little to know internet access from tomorrow miday PST until late afternoon Sunday. I'm going to leave a super long queue with my brother who will make picks for me, and he may need to leave them with you as his free time dictates. Sorry for the inconvenience guys.

GF-these next 2 picks you have should be fine for me to handle. I got your e-mail.
171clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:23 		Any chance anyone else was looking at Lopez before he would have made it back to me? Was torn between he and Uggla, so I'm going to be *issed at myself if I would have gotten Lopez on the way back up.
172PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:08 		Re 171: I wasn't. Lopez was definitely on my radar, but I thought I needed another good SP and a steady closer.
175clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 16:51 		Looks like JH timed-out again.
176PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 11:58 		Your turn, I Hate Philadelphia...
177oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 15:47 		I'm bored.........
178StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:49 		I'm with you oasis. This draft is putting me to sleep.
179i hate philadelphia
      ID: 42212107
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:53 		The closk is on on weekends?
180i hate philadelphia
      ID: 42212107
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 16:54 		I'll pick as soon as someone confirms that. I was waiting because I
assumed clock paused on weekends
181i hate philadelphia
      ID: 42212107
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:02 		Really sorry I thought I was pick 11 for some reason
182oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:45 		Is anyone there to take a queue?
183 revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:48 		The clock is paused, but it is customary for the draft to continue, untimed over the weekend.

RE; 182 I can, shoot it here.
184revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 18:08 		I'm in too many leagues I stand corrected there is a 6 hour clock on weekends:)

I do have oasiserfede's queue.
185i hate philadelphia
      ID: 42212107
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 19:13 		Yeah I understand it is customary for the draft to continue, but
since I thought Ichiro was up and not me I figured he couldn't time
out. Once I realized it was my turn I went.

Sorry Again for the delay
186Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 18:27 		I'm back in town now guys, sorry if that caused any problems. There is a 6 hour clock on the weekends.
187revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 21:00 		Which young is Wiggs prospect?

Chris Young-OF-AZ
OR
Chris Young-P-SD

If its the P WG needs to repick--asking only because I don't see anywhere that is clearly stated which young Wiggs kept.
188wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11118812
      Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 21:46 		the sd pitcher has been up in the bigs for a while, so id assume he kept the az outfielder?
189wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 21:51 		i have the OF
191GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 08:57 		Andrew
Will be sending you a Q for next 2 pick

Thanks
192PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:07 		I'm waiting for Andrew to make GolfFreak's picks, since it wouldn't be fair to just bypass him when he's left a queue.
193PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:08 		Sorry, I screwed up the time zone difference. Man, I'm bad at addition. Now, where's that calculator...
195oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 15:48 		I updated the prospect list. It now includes position and team.....
196clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:01 		GF leave a queue with anyone???

He timed-out.
198oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:23 		He did say that he left a queue with Andrew (post #191). I don't know what their arrangement is like, but Andrew never confirmed that he got the queue. At least not here......
199PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:31 		I'll be leaving my picks now. If my selected players were on GF's list that Andrew got as well, then we'll have to repick I guess.
200Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 18:23 		sorry..I just made the picks for him now. Fortunately neither of the people you selected were the next 2 on his queue.
203StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:00 		I'd just like to thank you oasis, and everyone else who is computer savy enough to organize drafting results on this thread and on the website.

I personally appreciate it very much. Thanks a lot guys.
204StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:29 		Hey, will anyone be around to take a queue for my 7th round pick?
205 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:51 		Shoot it here, bud.....
207Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:07 		It looks like things are runnning smoothly (except that I didn't take Rich Hill when I had the chance) Lets keep up the good work and get going through this draft.
208oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 19:33 		You probably jinxed the draft now, Andrew.......
209Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 07:37 		Anybody around to take 8.10 and 9.03 Q's? I'm up in 3 picks. Getting out of here soon although I'll be able to check in some today. If no respomse I'll send them to Rev and Oasis.
210oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 08:46 		Don't worry, Hammers, I got your queue. To everyone else, if you are sure your pick comes up between 6am and 6pm ET, I can take all queues. After the 25th( hopefully we'll be done by then) it's between 5am and 5pm....
211I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:03 		Guess I should have made that Josh Barfield, 2b Cle Funny thing was I picked him by accident was leaning towards someone else and my brain interfered.
212clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:22 		Not sure where Andrew is...going to shoot a 2 man queue to oasisferde...will be back in the office shortly.
213PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:43 		I can take queues in approximately the same hours as oasiserfede, but on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays I get up at about 3am ET (I guess that' not very relevant for most af you...) unless otherwise noted.
214Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:56 		Sorry if I held up the draft a bit..being on the Pacific coast is hard to get a morning run going. I stayed up as late as I could last night hoping to make the pick. I'm going to be out until about 12:30 PST atleast. I'm going to send you a short 3-4 man queue Oasis and hopefully it is long enough, otherwise I'll just pick when I get back or send a revised queue then once my pick is closer, becuase I have a pretty busy night tongiht.
215PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:19 		Dropped you a queue, oasiserfede.
216oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:08 		GF timed out...........
217oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:14 		I picked for Phoenix, but I forgot how we did it last year. If you time out once, is it only that particular pick that is skipped or all subsequent picks?
218Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:46 		all subsequent picks...I'm going to shoot him a text and see whats up.
219oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:48 		I still have a queue for Jackhammers. Shall I proceed?
220Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:50 		yeah, you gotta. That stinks, but we gotta keep moving.
221oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:50 		I also have a queue for clv. Andrew, be ready if you want to pick yourself.......
222Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:54 		k thanks, I'm on it.
223oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:09 		A little upgrade on the website. For quick navigation use the menu-link/button.

Thanks to Phoenix for providing the script. ;-)
226GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:32 		ANDREW

Sorry if your ears are burning!
I call you every F&#@ing name in the book!
After I got a text saying "Your are up in CMSL, actually you just timed out. TWICE!" I'm like WTF!!!
I sent a big Q. Got home and check my sent folder and sent it to the wrong addy. DOH! Me bad! So who every texted me thanks!!!!!!!!! I sleep with my cell. ;)
227Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 02:25 		ouch, sorry man. I wish I could have helped you out. I was actually the one to text you...wouldn't I have felt foolish if I had a queue of yours sitting in my inbox. It looks like you are up to speed now though. I'll try to keep you updated on your picks. I should have sent a message to you sooner. Its hard for me because I am in and out w/ little internet connection during the day, but I'll do my best and everyone can make a concerted effort to let you know when you are up.
228Ichihole
      ID: 221341411
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:10 		anyone have IHP's phone #. I beleive he has timed out. 2 hrs last night and 2 hours this morning. Ichi
229revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:22 		Actually wiggs picked at 23:51 last night so IHP still has a few minutes left (clock=9 AM-midnight Eastern). It appears his clock ends at 12:51 this afternoon.
230Ichihole
      ID: 221341411
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:32 		Thanks Rev
231I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:26 		made my pick. Sorry for the delay. I may have to leave a queue with someone for my next pick. Any takers?
233 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:28 		Just send it here, IHP.......
234I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:32 		queue sent
236GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 08:57 		Could some1 please take a q?
237 revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:02 		GF

You can send it here, though I will be out for the next 3-4 hours.
238 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:07 		I'll be here..........
239GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:08 		sent.... and CC...Andrew


thanks
240PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:59 		Sent you another queue, oasiserfede, since I'm busy this weekend and might not be able to check in on the draft all the time.
241oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 10:11 		Alrighty then, Phoenix.

CLV has timed out.......
242Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:29 		Ah yes he has, I guess its me then. I'll pick in a few minutes
246oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 17:53 		The commish has timed out....

Too bad, we were doing so well....
247Andrew
      ID: 52459
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 19:17 		dang, I'm not setting a very good example am I? The draft hadn't moved a single pick since my last one, so I thought I'd be safe. Then it started moving and I got held up longer then expected. Sorry guys. With that said...I was planning on doing this anyways. We need to go to a four hour clock on the weekends. I'm really sorry you guys, but we are running out of time because many of us(obviously including me now) have not been good enough about queues and being around for picks. As we get towards the end here, we can be much more generous w/ the amount of queues we leave.
248oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 20:33 		Had to move the prospect list here
249oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:14 		Since I can't time out now (unless I seriously oversleep) I am gonna turn in and hopefully I'll pick when I wake up.

Re 210: Feed me some queues, guys, so I can get us rolling while you sleep.

See ya....
250I hate philadelphia
      ID: 290541416
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:17 		Oasis if you move Glaus to MI then I can play Conor Jackson at CI
and Ensberg at 3b.
251oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:28 		re 250: Done and done. Good night
252PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 06:18 		I have a suggestion for next year's draft routine:

Since the draft lasts 20 rounds and we have approximately 20 days to finish it, I say we try to do precisely one round each day. Every player should know exactly when he's expected to make his pick, so that, for example, at 9am Player 1 has to make his pick, at 10am Player 2 has to make his pick, and so forth, until Player 12 at 8pm. As Andrew previously noted, the clock is mostly there so that people can realize when they're up. If each player has a fixed hour at which he has to make his pick, we won't have that problem.

This would make it much easier to plan around the draft, and obviously we could still do queues and such.
253StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:50 		Guys, anyone taking a queue?

Wiggs is due up now with me after, but I need to head out and won't be around until later tonight.

I have a 2 man queue. Any takers?
254 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:51 		Just shoot it here, Stomo.....
256StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 11:00 		Queue sent. Thanks again Oasis.
258oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 11:14 		I have been moving a few people around on the rosters. If you guys want something changed, let me know. Also if you see something suspicious, let me know, so I can fix it....
259oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 15:29 		Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........
260Andrew
      ID: 82151714
      Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 16:17 		Just a reminder that rev is now up because of the 4 hour clock.
261Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:25 		a reminder that all seubsequent picks are skipped as well...that means CLV is up. I'm going to shoot Jackhammers an e-mail. Is anyone around to take a queue? I'm going to be in and out all day, so I should need one just for this next pick.
262revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:37 		I believe that jackhammers has a little bit more time. GF picked at 09:53, which means the 4 hour clock runs out at 01:53.
263 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:42 		I am available for queues....

Rev, Hammers missed his 12.10-pick, which means all his subsequent picks are skipped until he catches up....
264revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:46 		No problem, just didn't want to see someone skipped.

Rev
265PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 03:17 		Stomo, oasiserfede already picked Ty Wigginton with pick 11.12!
269GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 10:07 		Someone take a q?
For my next 2 picks.

Will send before I leave for Green Bay.
270 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 10:08 		Just send it here........
271GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 10:10 		Thanks will do around 10.(c)
Thanks for your chart as well.
272Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:52 		you still around to take a Q oasis? I'm gonna shut down for a few hours, not feeling so hot after a weekend from hell...
273 I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:10 		CLV Times out in 20 minutes. JH if you need to send a queue you can send it to me as I'll be around.
274StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:30 		Sorry about that. Thanks for the heads up Oasis. my 14.05 is now up.
275I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:32 		Can someone send me the league info for this league. I would like to join so I could manage the team throughout the season. My team isn't great, but I think I did an ok job for what I was given.
276I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:34 		Stomo I'm interested in proposing a trade to you, whats your email address?
277Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:43 		I was just looking through my Email for the league info when I realized I'm not signed up yet either. Has the league been created yet?
278I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:43 		Ichi was your pick from GF's queue? Otherwise it was out of order.
279PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:46 		Sorry, I didn't realize there was a problem with the draft order. Oasis, do you have GF's queue?
280oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:55 		I do have GF's queue and I'm can pick whenever, but I think we need to straighten this thing with Ichi's pick out.

P.S Phoenix, none of the players you took are in GF's queue, so no reason to change that....
281PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:01 		Re 280: Phew! Maybe Andrew needs to settle this, but it would seem that Ichi's pick was just a mistake which should be annulled?
282oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:04 		Ok, Ichi's pick was out of turn and he has said to disregard it. I'll proceed with GF's 14th and 15th pick.......
283Ichihole
      ID: 221341411
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:05 		Disregard Ichis pick. 14.11
284revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:07 		IMHO It's easy Ichihole can self delete his 14.11 pick whenever he gets to it and Oasis can make GF's 14.11 and 15.02 picks anytime now, and we move on.
285oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:09 		Way ahead of you, bud.... ;-)
286Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:13 		I'll be picking in a minute. Having a control-F party at the moment....
289oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:31 		Whoops! Another pick out of turn.....
290Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:43 		Its OK. My pick is made also. But clv's pick should have been numbered 15.04. So Andrew is up at pick 15.05
291I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:51 		Ok I think everyone needs to stop drinking this afternoon.
292oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:52 		I guess it's all good.......
293clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:02 		Sorry for the slip-up gang...as always, we've gotten so busy I've barely had time to breathe for the last week. Which one of you *ssholes told everyone I was trying to go on vacation Wednesday morning?!?!?!?!?

;-D
295oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:12 		I don't know about everyone else's drinking, but I need one now....

Cheers! ;-)
296PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 16:48 		I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't been drinking anything.

Well, except beer of course.
297Andrew
      ID: 542361915
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:42 		I dont have my sheets with me...I'm sorry guys. I'll make the next pick in like 25-30 minutes.
298oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 18:47 		57 picks to go...........
299oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 18:47 		I have no life........
301Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:09 		hey oasis, I sent you a queue.
302oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:10 		I got it..........
303PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:28 		Can anybody take a queue for the rest of this day?
304oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:35 		Since I have a queue for GF, I can take it. At the latest I would pick for him at 1230 am CEST and I will be up at that time......
305PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:54 		Thanks once again, oasis. If this draft were a collection of Post-it notes crammed together in one large ball of Post-its, you would be that neat adhesive keeping it all in order. I've e-mailed you the queue, by the way.
306Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 18:25 		I would just like to echo Pheonix's sentiments. You have been a big help to me while I've been super busy.

I just sent everyone an e-mail with league signup info. I forgot to mention it in the e-mail, but I'm not using my primary yahoo account for the league, so make sure to continue using my main e-mail address and not the one I have associated with the League. If you didn't get the e-mail please let me know.

We are getting close to the end here, lets try to bust out these last few rounds and get on to the prospect draft. Nobody let me forget, I want to make sure I see if there is a way to lock prospects from being picked up(I know you can lock managers, but I dunno about specific players) so we dont have the same problems with prospects as last year.
307clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 18:55 		Question:

Would everyone be against holding off on the prospect draft until at least Monday?

As I mentioned earlier, I'll be leaving on vacation early tomorrow morning, and while I don't mind picking up the last couple of available scraps to fill out my bench (I'm assuming we're not finishing tonight) when I return, I'd strongly prefer not to leave a long queue full of prospects that I won't be able to adjust as certain players are scooped up. As amazing as it seems in this day and age, I will have NO internet access between about 10:30 tonight and sometime late Sunday evening.
308Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:20 		Thats up to everyone else. Unlike the regular draft, the prospect draft doesn't neccessarily have to be done by the beginning of the season(although I would like it to be)
309oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 19:25 		Re 307: As long as the regular draft is done on time, I have no problem with that.

Unfortunately Jackhammers is about to time out. I will pick for both Phoenix and GF, so unless Hammers gets his pick in you will be up in a little while, CLV
310clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:57 		Picking momentarily.
314Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:29 		Oasis, just sent you a Q. Not gonna have any access from work for a few more days. I'll be in and out. Great job on tha charts and the draft by the way, Thanks a million!
315oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:34 		Got it...........
316Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:16 		hey oasis, if you don't mind, just keep picking off that queue I sent you for this round if my pick comes up. There are three on the list, and I think at least one should make it back to me. If not, then just skip me and I'll make it up.
317oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:23 		ok, just retrieving it now.....
318oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:29 		Got it....
319 I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 11:48 		Andrew, I didn't get an invite to the league. I'm not sure if that was on purpose, but I'd like to see this team through if no one has any objections.
320Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 15:36 		I made a point to add you to the mailing list, it must not have taken...I'll resend it.
321oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 16:33 		Andrew and Phoenix (yes, I did see you!!), I have your queues, but if you want to pick, let me know or else I will be dropping the hammer..... ;-)
322PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 16:55 		Re 321: I won't be up for much longer, so it would be nice if you would pick for me. If it gets too late for you, oasis, I've also sent the queue to WG and Stomo, just in case.
323Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 21:18 		hey, thanks for making the pick. That queue I sent is good until the end if they are there, but it probably won't be neccessary.
324oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 22:00 		CLV timed out.....
326oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 22:36 		To all: Please check the draft chart carefully to see when your 19th and 20th picks are up and what number they have....

Thank you.
327revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 09:50 		Sorry about that last pick, I spelled Varitek wrong when I originally picked him, forgot to write him down on my cheat...hopefully this is not the beginning of one horribly mixed up season:)
328I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:28 		how does the prsopect draft work?
329I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:37 		Also would anyone have a problem if I changed my prospect keepers since the prospect draft didn't occur yet and I didn't select them. Basically I'm looking to drop a few of them
330oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:38 		I believe the draft order is reversed from the major league draft and then it's business as usual. If you have kept 1 prospect, you lose your 5th-rounder. If you have kept 2 prospects, you lose your 5th- and 4th-rounder, and so on...

I have made a chart, which I'll be happy to post here if needed....

Pitchers–max. 50 Major League Innings or 10 appearances–whichever comes first
Batters–max. 160 Major league At Bats
331oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:44 		Re 329: Since none of your prospects were on my radar for the Major League draft anyway, I suppose I don't have a huge problem with that. But I can't speak for the rest of the guys....
332wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:45 		is anyone here to take a queue, I am leaving now, and probably wont check in til after 3. It will help speed this thing along
333I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:47 		Well mainly I was looking to drop Esteve an Huber. I can't imagine anyone was going to draft them in the real draft. I can't even find anything about esteve anywhere and Huber has no where to play being blocked by a bunch of young players.

I understand its late, but I think my team was hurt enough by keeping Cuddyer and Arroyo.
334I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:48 		Wiggs you're up now. I can take your queue for your next pick if you like but it might be better if you shoose someone on the other end of the draft.
335wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:49 		Ed should have made the trade :)
336wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:50 		I ajm not going to leave a queue for next round, i will be back in like 2 hours, i doubt it gets to me, and if it does i will pick then
337 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:50 		Re 332: Just shoot it here and I'll take care of it. I just spoke to Stomo and I think he's about to make his 19th pick, but I see you have another one coming, so just mail it over here, bud.....
338oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:52 		wiggs, I don't know what your plans are, but you could up again in a hurry........
339I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:55 		I would have done that trade in a heartbeat. Arroyo is a 10th rounder at best without keepers in a 12 team league. Cuddyer? You got to be kidding me.
340oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:55 		Ok, IHP, you're back up....
341PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:10 		Those were some bold picks, oasis. I really thought about taking either Liriano or Lincecum with my last pick, but I didn't like my bench depth enough. Those two players could pay some HUGE dividends next year...
342oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:18 		There's always next year...........
344I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:46 		Sorry was grabbing grub I'll pick in a few
345oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:36 		Updated thru 20 (exc. 18.09, 19.04 and 20.09)

Pick 20.07 Todd Linden by Rev is out of position.

Player Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4
PhoenixV M.Ramirez,OF,BOS C.C.Sabathia,SP,CLE D.Young,OF,TB B.Myers,SP,PHI
GF H.Street,RP,OAK C.Delgado,1B,NYM S.Kazmir,SP,TB J.Lugo,SS,BOS
Jackhammers R.Halladay,SP,TOR J.Verlander,SP,DET R.Ibanez,OF,SEA D.Uggla,2B,FLA
CLV J.Smoltz,SP,ATL C.Schilling,SP,BOS J.Schmidt,SP,LAD F.Lopez,SS,WAS
Andrew J.Dye,OF,CWS E.Bedard,SP,BAL N.Swisher,OF,OAK B.Hawpe,OF,COL
Rev D.Matsuzaka,SP,BOS T.Hoffman,RP,SD W.Taveras,OF,COL C.Ray,RP,BAL
WG J.Bonderman,SP,DET J.J.Putz,RP,SEA D.Haren,SP,OAK A.Rios,OF,TOR
StomoDotCom B.Wagner,RP,NYM D.Willis,SP,FLA B.Zito,SP,SF J.Papelbon,SP,BOS
Wiggs M.Rivera,SP,NYY H.Matsui,OF,NYY J.Damon,OF,NYY F.Cordero,RP,MIL
IHP T.Glaus,3B-SS,TOR M.Cain,SP,SF J.Giambi,1B,NYY J.D.Drew,OF,BOS
Ichi C.Guillen,SS,DET R.Cano,2B,NYY S.Rolen,3B,STL R.Harden,SP,OAK
oasiserfede P.Konerko,1B,CHW B.Roberts,2B,BAL J.Thome,UT,CHW B.Bonds,OF,SF
Player Round 5 Round 6 Round 7 Round 8
PhoenixV C.Cordero,RP,WAS T.Helton,1B,COL D.Roberts,OF,SF I.Kinsler,2B,TEX
GF E.Renteria,SS,ATL A.Harang,SP,CIN A.Gonzalez,1B,SD M.Mussina,SP,NYY
Jackhammers E.Santana,SP,LAA S.Podsednik,OF,CWS E.Chavez,3B,OAK J.Cantu,2B,TB
CLV T.Gordon,RP,PHI B.Wickman,RP,ATL E.Gagne,RP,TEX A.J.Burnett,SP,TOR
Andrew Jr.Weaver,SP,LAA R.Freel,2B-3B-OF,CIN O.Cabrera,SS,LAA P.Burrell,OF,PHI
Rev R.Baldelli,OF,TB C.Wang,SP,NYY A.Wainwright,RP,STL A.Beltre,3B,SEA
WG C.Jones,3B,ATL C.Young,SP,SD Ad.LaRoche,1B,PIT J.Isringhausen,RP,STL
StomoDotCom B.Fuentes,RP,COL M.Teahen,3B,KC J.Beckett,SP,BOS M.Piazza,C,OAK
Wiggs B.Hall,3B-SS,MIL R.Sexson,1B,SEA O.Dotel,RP,KC C.Capuano,SP,MIL
IHP M.Ensberg,3B,HOU F.Thomas,UT,TOR M.Cameron,OF,SD J.Barfield,2B,SD
Ichi T.Saito,RP,LAD L.Overbay,1B,TOR D.Bush,SP,MIL J.Francoeur,OF,ATL
oasiserfede J.Kent,2B,LAD C.Patterson,OF,BAL J.Crede,3B,CHW R.Hill,SP,CHC
Player Round 9 Round 10 Round 11 Round 12
PhoenixV O.Hudson,2B,ARI I.Snell,SP,PIT T.Tulowitzki,SS,COL B.J.Upton,3B,TB
GF K.Escobar,SP,LAA F.Sanchez,2B-3B-SS,PIT E.Encarnacion,3B,CIN B.Bonser,SP,MIN
Jackhammers T.Hudson,SP,ATL A.Huff,3B-OF,BAL R.Soriano,RP,ATL B.Inge,3B,DET
CLV M.Ordonez,OF,DET C.Tracy,3B,ARI J.Hermida,OF,FLA G.Laird,C,TEX
Andrew B.Crosby,SS,OAK D.Lowe,SP,LAD A.Otsuka,RP,TEX M.Gonzalez,RP,ATL
Rev J.Gomes,OF,TB K.Matsui,2B,COL R.Shealy,1B,KC J.Jones,OF,CHC
WG T.Hunter,OF,MIN R.Johnson,SP,ARI J.Valverde,RP,ARI R.Clemens,SP
StomoDotCom J.Borowski,RP,CLE T.Iguchi,2B,CHW N.Garciaparra,1B,LAD T.Glavine,SP,NYM
Wiggs K.Johjima,C,SEA H.Blalock,3B,TEX B.Philips,2B,CLE B.Penny,SP,LAD
IHP K.Youkilis,CI-OF,BOS C.Jackson,1B,ARI P.Martinez,SP,NYM D.Davis,SP,ARI
Ichi F.Garcia,SP,PHI J.Willingham,OF,FLA T.Jones,RP,DET C.Duncan,1B-OF,STL
oasiserfede A.Pettitte,SP,NYY J.Vazquez,SP,CHW T.Wigginton,CI-2B-OF,TB D.Cabrera,SP,BAL
Player Round 13 Round 14 Round 15 Round 16
PhoenixV M.Barrett,C,CHC N.Lowry,SP,SF J.Peralta,SS,CLE C.Crisp,OF,BOS
GF J.Broxton,RP,LAD E.Byrnes,OF,ARI S.Shields,RP,LAA M.Jacobs,1B,FLA
Jackhammers M.Giles,2B,SD Z.Duke,SP,PIT J.Uribe,SS,CWS J.Bard,C,SD
CLV K.Johnson,OF,ATL D.Pedroia,2B,BOS M.Lowell,3B,BOS J.Edmonds,OF,STL
Andrew A.Ethier,OF,LAD J.Shields,SP,TB D.DeJesus,OF,KC C.Kotchman,1B,LAA
Rev C.Hart,OF,MIL J.Jennings,SP,HOU L.Scott,OF,HOU K.Igawa,SP,NYY
WG S.Torres,RP,PIT R.Hernandez,C,BAL M.Garza,SP,MIN C.Burke,2B,HOU
StomoDotCom L.Castillo,2B,MIN J.Vidro,1B-2B,SEA J.Westbrook,SP,CLE A.Kearns,OF,WAS
Wiggs M.Mora,3B,BAL S.McClung,RP,TB J.Patterson,SP,WAS G.Matthews,Jr.,OF,LAA
IHP R.Dempster,RP,CHC A.Benitez,RP,SF M.Lindstrom,RP,FLA T.Tankersley,RP,FLA
Ichi J.Posada,C,NYY R.Durham,2B,SF B.Giles,OF,SD G.Maddux,SP,SD
oasiserfede I.Rodriguez,C,DET Ol.Perez,SP,NYM R.Wolf,SP,LAD R.Aurilia,CI-MI,SF
Player Round 17 Round 18 Round 19 Round 20
PhoenixV D.Hermanson,RP,CIN K.Millwood,SP,TEX J.Zumaya,RP,DET A.Reyes,SP,STL
GF J.Estrada,C,MIL J.Blanton,SP,OAK L.Cormier,SP,ATL S.Olsen,SP,FLA
Jackhammers M.MacDougal,RP,CWS Z.Greinke,SP,KC M.Mulder,SP,STL H.Penn,SP,BAL
CLV N.Cruz,OF,TEX 18.09 19.04 20.09
Andrew T.Lilly,SP,CHC J.Duchscherer,RP,OAK J.Crain,RP,MIN J.Kubel,OF,MIN
Rev J.Varitek,C,BOS S.Sosa,OF,TEX M.Chico,SP,WAS T.Linden,OF,SF
WG D.Wheeler,RP,HOU K.Kouzmanoff,3B,SD K.Greene,SS,SD J.Sowers,SP,CLE
StomoDotCom M.Buehrle,SP,CWS D.Weathers,RP,CIN S.Victorino,OF,PHI N.Markakis,OF,BAL
Wiggs K.Griffey,Jr.,OF,CIN J.Contreras,SP,CHW A.Iwamura,3B,TB N.Johnson,1B,WAS
IHP M.Alou,OF,NYM J.Julio,RP,ARI T.Gorzellany,SP,PIT B.Wilson,RP,SF
Ichi B.Howry,RP,CHC W.Betemit,3B,LAD H.Bailey,SP,CIN A.Gordon,3B,KAN
oasiserfede N.Robertson,SP,DET B.McCarthy,SP,TEX F.Liriano,SP,MIN T.Lincecum,SP,SF

Player PhoenixV GF Jackhammers CLV
C M.Barrett,CHC(13.01) J.Estrada,MIL(17.02) J.Bard,SD(16.10) G.Laird,TEX(12.09)
1B A.Pujols,STL(K) C.Delgado,NYM(2.11) J.Morneau,MIN(K) R.Howard,PHI(K)
2B I.Kinsler,TEX(8.12) F.Sanchez,PIT(10.11) D.Uggla,FLA(4.10) D.Pedroia,BOS(14.09)
SS T.Tulowitzki,COL(11.01) J.Lugo,BOS(4.11) H.Ramirez,FLA(K) M.Tejada,BAL(K)
3B A.Ramirez,CHC(K) R.Zimmerman,WAS(K) E.Chavez,OAK(7.03) C.Tracy,ARI(10.09)
MI O.Hudson,ARI(9.01) E.Renteria,ATL(5.02) J.Cantu,TB(8.10) F.Lopez,WAS(4.09)
CI T.Helton,COL(6.12) A.Gonzalez,SD(7.02) B.Inge,DET(12.10) M.Lowell,BOS(15.04)
OF C.Beltran,NYM(K) C.Crawford,TB(K) A.Soriano,CHC(K) A.Jones,ATL(K)
OF Ca.Lee,HOU(K) J.Pierre,LAD(K) R.Ibanez,SEA(3.03) M.Ordonez,DET(9.04)
OF M.Ramirez,BOS(1.01) C.Figgins,LAA(K) S.Podsednik,CWS(6.10) J.Hermida,FLA(11.04)
OF De.Young,TB(3.01) E.Byrnes,ARI(14.11) A.Huff,BAL(10.10) K.Johnson,ATL(13.04)
Util D.Roberts,SF(7.01) E.Encarnacion,CIN(11.02) M.Giles,SD(13.03) J.Edmonds,STL(16.09)
P Fr.Rodriguez,LAA(K) B.Lidge,HOU(K) C.Carpenter,STL(K) F.Hernandez,SEA(K)
P C.C.Sabathia,CLE(2.12) H.Street,OAK(1.02) B.Jenks,CHW(K) J.Lackey,LAA(K)
P B.Myers,PHI(4.12) S.Kazmir,TB(3.02) R.Halladay,TOR(1.03) J.Smoltz,ATL(1.04)
P C.Cordero,WAS(5.01) A.Harang,CIN(6.11) J.Verlander,DET(2.10) C.Schilling,BOS(2.09)
P I.Snell,PIT(10.12) M.Mussina,NYY(8.11) E.Santana,LAA(5.03) J.Schmidt,LAD(3.04)
P N.Lowry,SF(14.12) K.Escobar,LAA(9.02) T.Hudson,ATL(9.03) T.Gordon,PHI(5.04)
P D.Hermanson,CIN(17.01) B.Bonser,MIN(12.11) R.Soriano,ATL(11.03) B.Wickman,ATL
P J.Zumaya,DET(19) J.Broxton,LAD(13.02) Z.Duke,PIT(14.10) E.Gagne,TEX(7.04)
P A.Reyes,STL(20) S.Olsen,FLA(20) H.Penn,BAL(20) A.J.Burnett,TOR(8.09)
BN B.J.Upton,TB(12.12) S.Shields,RP,LAA(15.02) J.Uribe,CWS(15.03) Nelson Cruz,TEX(17.04)
BN Jhonny Peralta,CLE(15.01) M.Jacobs,FLA(16.11) M.MacDougal,CWS(17.03)
BN C.Crisp,BOS(16.12) J.Blanton,OAK(18.11) Z.Greinke,KC(18.10)
BN K.Millwood,TEX(18.12) L.Cormier,ATL(19.02) M.Mulder,STL(19.03)
Player Andrew Rev WG StomoDotCom
C V.Martinez,CLE(K) J.Varitek,BOS(17.06) R.Hernandez,BAL(14.06) M.Piazza,OAK(8.05)
1B N.Swisher,OAK(3.05) M.Teixeira,TEX(K) D.Ortiz,BOS(K) N.Garciaparra,LAD(11.08)
2B R.Freel,CIN(6.08) C.Utley,PHI(K) C.Burke,HOU(16.06) T.Iguchi,CHW(10.05)
SS O.Cabrera,LAA(7.05) S.Drew,ARI(K) J.Rollins,PHI(K) J.Reyes,NYM(K)
3B D.Wright,NYM(K) A.Beltre,SEA(8.07) C.Jones,ATL(5.07) M.Cabrera,FLA(K)
MI B.Crosby,SS,OAK(9.05) R.Weeks,MIL(K) K.Greene,SD(19.07) L.Castillo,MIN(13.08)
CI G.Atkins,COL(K) P.Fielder,MIL(K) Ad.LaRoche,PIT(7.07) M.Teahen,KC(6.05)
OF J.Dye,CWS(1.05) W.Taveras,COL(3.06) M.Holliday,COL(K) V.Guerrero,LAA(K)
OF A.Ethier,LAD(13.05) R.Baldelli,TB(5.06) J.Bay,PIT(K) G.Sizemore,CLE(K)
OF B.Hawpe,COL(4.08) J.Gomes,TB(9.06) A.Rios,TOR(4.06) A.Dunn,CIN(K)
OF J.Kubel,MIN(20) J.Jones,CHC(12.07) T.Hunter,MIN(9.07) N.Markakis,BAL(20)
Util P.Burrell,PHI(8.08) K.Matsui,COL(10.07) K.Kouzmanoff,SD(18.06) J.Vidro,SEA(14.05)
P J.Peavy,SD(K) D.Matsuzaka,BOS(1.06) B.Sheets,MIL(K) B.Wagner,NYM(1.08)
P B.J.Ryan,TOR(K) T.Hoffman,SD(2.07) J.Bonderman,DET(1.07) D.Willis,FLA(2.05)
P E.Bedard,BAL(2.08) C.Ray,BAL(4.07) J.J.Putz,SEA(2.06) B.Zito,SF(3.08)
P Jr.Weaver,LAA(5.05) C.Wang,NYY(6.07) D.Haren,OAK(3.07) J.Papelbon,SP,BOS(4.05)
P D.Lowe,LAD(10.08) A.Wainwright,STL(7.06) C.Young,SD(6.06) B.Fuentes,COL(5.08)
P A.Otsuka,TEX(11.05) J.Jennings,HOU(14.07) J.Isringhausen,STL(8.06) J.Beckett,BOS(7.08)
P M.Gonzalez,ATL(12.08) K.Igawa,NYY(16.07) R.Johnson,ARI(10.06) J.Borowski,CLE(9.08)
P J.Shields,TB(14.08) M.Chico,WAS(19.06) J.Valverde,ARI(11.07) T.Glavine,NYM(12.05)
P T.Lilly,CHC(17.05) T.Linden,SF(20.07)!!!!!! J.Sowers,CLE(20) J.Westbrook,CLE(15.08)
BN D.DeJesus,KC(15.05) R.Shealy,KC(11.06) R.Clemens(12.06) A.Kearns,WAS(16.05)
BN C.Kotchman,LAA(16.08) C.Hart,MIL(13.06) S.Torres,PIT(13.07) M.Buehrle,CWS(17.08)
BN J.Duchscherer,OAK(18.08) L.Scott,HOU(15.06) M.Garza,MIN(15.07) D.Weathers,CIN(18.05)
BN J.Crain,MIN(19.05) S.Sosa,TEX(18.07) D.Wheeler,HOU(17.07) S.Victorino,PHI(19.08)
Player wiggs I Hate P'delphia Ichi oasiserfede
C K.Johjima,SEA(9.09) J.Mauer,MIN(K) J.Posada,NYY(13.11) B.McCann,ATL(K)
1B R.Sexson,SEA(6.04) J.Giambi,NYY(3.10) L.Overbay,TOR(6.02) D.Lee,CHC(K)
2B B.Philips,CLE(11.09) J.Barfield,SD(8.03) R.Cano,NYY(2.02) B.Roberts,BAL(2.01)
SS R.Furcal,LAD(K) M.Young,TEX(K) C.Guillen,DET(1.11) D.Jeter,NYY(K)
3B H.Blalock,TEX(10.04) M.Ensberg,HOU(5.10) A.Rodriguez,NYY(K) J.Crede,CHW(7.12)
MI B.Hall,MIL(5.09) T.Glaus,TOR(1.10) R.Durham,SF(14.02) J.Kent,LAD(5.12)
CI M.Mora,BAL(13.09) C.Jackson,ARI(10.03) S.Rolen,STL(3.11) P.Konerko,CHW(1.12)
OF B.Abreu,NYY(K) M.Cuddyer,MIN(K) Ichiro,SEA(K) L.Berkman,HOU(K)
OF V.Wells,TOR(K) J.D.Drew,OF,BOS(4.03) J.Francoeur,ATL(8.02) G.Sheffield,DET(K)
OF H.Matsui,NYY(2.04) M.Cameron,SD(7.10) J.Willingham,FLA(10.02) B.Bonds,SF(4.01)
OF J.Damon,NYY(3.09) K.Youkilis,BOS(9.10) C.Duncan,STL(12.02) C.Patterson,BAL(6.01)
Util G.Matthews,Jr.,LAA(16.04) F.Thomas,TOR(6.03) T.Hafner,CLE(K) J.Thome,CHW(3.12)
P J.Santana,MIN(K) B.Arroyo,CIN(K) B.Webb,ARI(K) R.Hill,CHC(8.01)
P R.Oswalt,HOU(K) C.Zambrano,CHC(K) J.Nathan,MIN(K) A.Pettitte,NYY(9.12)
P M.Rivera,NYY(1.09) M.Cain,SF(2.03) R.Harden,OAK(4.02) J.Vazquez,CHW(10.01)
P F.Cordero,MIL(4.04) P.Martinez,NYM(11.10) T.Saito,LAD(5.11) D.Cabrera,BAL(12.01)
P O.Dotel,KC(7.09) D.Davis,ARI(12.03) D.Bush,MIL(7.11) Ol.Perez,NYM(14.01)
P C.Capuano,MIL(8.04) R.Dempster,CHC(13.10) F.Garcia,PHI(9.11) R.Wolf,LAD(15.12)
P B.Penny,LAD(12.04) A.Benitez,SF(14.03) T.Jones,DET(11.11) N.Robertson,DET(17.12)
P S.McClung,TB(14.04) M.Lindstrom,FLA(15.10) G.Maddux,SD(16.02) B.McCarthy,TEX(18.01)
P J.Patterson,WAS(15.09) T.Tankersley,FLA(16.03) H.Bailey,CIN(19) T.Lincecum,SF(20.01)
BN K.Griffey,Jr.,CIN(17.09) M.Alou,NYM(17.10) A.Gordon,KAN(20) T.Wigginton,TB(11.12)
BN J.Contreras,CHW(18.04) J.Julio,ARI(18.03) B.Giles,SD(15.11) I.Rodriguez,DET(13.12)
BN A.Iwamura,TB(19.09) T.Gorzellany,PIT(19.10) B.Howry,CHC(17.11) R.Aurilia,SF(16.01)
BN N.Johnson,WAS(20.04) B.Wilson,SF(20.03) W.Betemit,LAD(18.02) F.Liriano,MIN(19.12)

346oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:44 		So, are we gonna wait 'til Monday to start the Prospect Draft? Like I said earlier, I have no problem with that......
347Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 18:06 		IHP, I see no problem with you dropping any prospects, just post which ones you want to drop here. We can wait until next monday for the prospect draft, thats fine w/ me. I'll post the draft order and all that in a new thread for prospect picks Saturday or Sunday and we can wait to start the clock until Monday 9:00 AM ET. We'll go with a 6 hour clock. I know last year I made picks for some managers who were MIA, I will not be doing that this year. If your pick is skipped, sorry but that sucks for you. We need to see this one through to the end and leave queues if we arent going to be available.

JackHammers and Wazaaap_Guy have still yet to register at yahoo. That needs to be done ASAP.
348Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 18:09 		BTW, to tell the truth, part of me really wanted to keep Liriano as one of my 5 this year. I never would have done it, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think about it. Once it was for sure he'd be out for the year, and then once the draft got rolling I just forgot about him... didn't think a pitcher out for the year would even get drafted.
349StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 20:28 		Papelbon will once again be Boston's closer. Which means, I am stacked at the Closer position and are probably in need of a good starting pitcher.

I currently have Wagner, Papelbon, Fuentes, Borowski and David Weathers.

If anyone needs a closer, and have a SP to deal, here's where to find them. Drop a line guys.

Later.
350I hate philadelphia
      ID: 290541416
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 22:31 		I'd like to drop martinez and huber.
351Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 01:16 		Dumb Question here... How many rounds?

Cool prospect chart Oasis, you are the CHARTMASTER
352Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 10:13 		I'm going to make a draft matrix for this...but basically most people have 2-3 rounds. It just depends on how many prospects you need. In your case JackHammers, you only need to draft 1 prospect.
353Andrew
      ID: 4811372411
      Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 11:31 		We are still waiting on Wazaaap_Guy to sign in to yahoo. I'll send him an e-mail...

I'll open up the prospect draft forum this evening, and the clock will start tomorrow morning. Lets get this thing done quickly.
354StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 12:36 		Question here...

If I called up 1 of my prospects, and kept the rest of mine, does that mean I get one pick in the prospect draft, or NO picks?
355oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 13:33 		Re 354: You get 1 pick.

If my prospect chart is correct, you would pick 5th in the 1st round and then no more picks for you, but don't hold me to it....
356I hate philadelphia
      ID: 290541416
      Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 19:54 		Where is the draft thread?
357Andrew
      ID: 4811372411
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 02:30 		sorry guys...out longer then expected today...i'll open it in a second.
359Andrew
      ID: 4811372411
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 02:50 		sorry guys if you saw that post...wrong thread.

The draft thread is open here.

Clock starts in the morning. The draft order (as best as I could tell doing it quickly) is posted in the opening message. If you see any errors please say something soon.
360PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 03:50 		What's the deal about CLV? Doesn't he need to make three more picks in our regular draft?
361Jack Hammers
      Donor
      ID: 236482918
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 06:08 		His earlier post says he will be back this morning (Mon) to finish up.
362I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 09:10 		Lets get some prospects picked. Woo!
363oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 09:20 		Last year I knew exactly who I wanted (Kendrick) and successfully traded up to get him. This year, I have NO idea, who I want.........
364PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 10:45 		So what are the rules? The clock is 4 hours from 9 am to 12 pm, or how are we doing this?

By the way, I know this isn't that big of a deal, but how do we sort the starting waiver priority out? I would think it unfair to make it the reverse of the draft order, because that would give me a disadvantage in both the prospect draft and the first waiver pick-up.
365oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 10:58 		I suppose the rules are the same in the prospect draft, but maybe we'll return to a 6-hour-clock in the weekends. I guess that's up the commish. It doesn't matter to me, since I only have 1 pick and will be getting it in shortly.

Re waivers: How about a lottery?
366I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 11:06 		If this draft makes it to the weekend someone please shoot me. We have about 30 picks to make I think we should be able to do that by Wednesday
368clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 13:48 		OK, back in town. Covered up with work at the moment, but will get to filling out my roster with the last couple of scrubs sometime this evening.

(Oh yeah, Myrtle Beach is still standing, but barely!)
369Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 14:01 		The waiver priority will be reverse order of the standings from last year.

I previously stated 6 hour clock for this draft, but if you guys want to change it to 4 that is fine by mean.
370 Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 14:02 		BTW, I may be looking to trade up in this round to make a pick if anyone is interested in trading down. We could swap 1st and 2nd round picks maybe or I could give up something else...I dunno. Somebody send me an e-mail if they are interested.
371I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 16:40 		Hell yeah I just picked up another closer!
374wazaaap_guy
      ID: 6830712
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 09:19 		when can you drop prospects? not til after this draft and later in the year? so no way to drop a guy and draft a different player in this draft?
375I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 09:33 		You could trade Pelfrey to me for one of my picks.
376I hate Philadelphia
      Donor
      ID: 471592812
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 13:33 		Andrew did you get the guy you were trying to trade up for?
377Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 14:02 		The league constitution says "No prospects can be added or dropped between the end of the regular season and the prospect draft." but we kind of played with the timing a bit and declared keepers and such much later. I'm going to say, that after the original deadline to declare them, except in the case of IHP, no drops/adds can happen until afer the prospect draft is finished. And then it goes by the waiver priority system.
378wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11118812
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 14:47 		waiver system for prospects too or what?
379Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 17:21 		IHP- actually, I made a mistake...the guy I wanted was already on a prospect roster...I missed him the first time I did Ctrl-F I guess.

WG- off the constitution

"· Players who are dropped from a prospect roster who still qualify as prospects may be signed to another team’s prospect roster, but the manager who picks the prospect up must give up their waiver priority and must drop or call up a prospect to keep the rosters under the limit.
· When a prospect claim is made it is announced to the whole league, within 48 hours, any manager with a higher waiver priority can make a claim for that prospect. To make your claim post it on The Rotoguru.com discussion thread. The time stamp will be used to resolve all discrepancies as to when the time is up."

Also added is this..."A player must have played at least one minor league season and have been drafted in any capacity at least once to be added (via draft, free agency or trade) to a prospect list."

Only previously owned prospects can be added or dropped - The rule was originally made to keep a manager from just calling up all their prospects and declaring 5 more and to keep the prospect draft relevant... But I think with drops its a little different.

We'll just have to address it as it comes up, because it really didn't last year.
380Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 22:48 		Hey guys, just finished inputting the draft results...a couple players weren't in the database though.

Rev- Matt Chico and Sammy Sosa

IHP- M.Lindstrom

CLV- you can just pick up your final 3 players whenever


I know we don't have a lot of pressure w/ this prospect draft, but just out of consideration we all need to make picks as quickly as possible. I hope it moves quicker in the next few days.
381Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 22:52 		oh forgot one other player... for some reason Hermanson isnt in the database either, so you can pick him up when he gets put in as well Pheonix.
382Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 22:55 		Sorry, one more thing. Everyone please check to make sure your rosters and waiver priorities are correct.
383PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 06:05 		Can we move on with the prospect draft? I believe both CLV and Jackhammers timed out.
385GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 09:08 		someone take a Q?
386 oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 09:20 		Sure. Just mail it over here.....
387GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 09:22 		Sent..... Thank you!!!!
392IHP
      ID: 102232812
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 14:25 		Moving slowly...
394Andrew
      ID: 37229223
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 19:15 		I can't even believe James Loney was available...nice pick. I have all my leagues so mixed up, and this league has by far taken the worst hit. I've missed out on so many players I've wanted when I had opportunities to take them. Next year I'm going to have to do less leagues, because this is getting crazy.
395clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 19:23 		Was there a time limit in the prospect draft?
396clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 19:28 		Heading to the beer store - will be back in the office in a few. Will be scrambling with the RotoHog site most of the night, but intend to fill out my roster as well if someone can send me an updated chosen players list. Thanks, and sorry for the holdup.
397I hate philadelphia
      ID: 290541416
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 06:41 		Did Ichi time out?
400GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 10:29 		clv
will pick in 10-15 need to find a player not taken.
401clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 10:32 		Don't rush...heading out for a bit momentarily, and my pick will be the last one, so we're not going to be holding anything up.
402oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 13:23 		Draft finished

Player oasiserfede Ichi I Hate Philadelphia Wiggs
Round 1 E.Longoria,3B,TB C.Iannetta,C,COL H.Pence,OF,HOU An.Miller,SP-RP,DET
Round 2 J.Clement,C,SEA E.Dukes,OF,TB J.Loney,1B,LAD A.Loewen,SP,BAL
Round 3 B.Butler,OF,KC P.Neshek,RP,MIN C.Gomez,OF,NYM L.Milledge,OF,NYM
Round 4 H.Kendrick,2B,LAA A.McCutchen,OF,PIT F.Pie,OF,CHC C.B.Young,OF,ARI
Round 5 C.Hamels,SP,PHI A.Sanchez,SP,FLA A.Marte,3B,CLE P.Hughes,SP,NYY
Player StomoDotCom WG Revving Parson Andrew
Round 1 G.Reynolds,SP,COL J.Bruce,OF,CIN T.Crowe,OF,CLE J.Sanchez,SP,SF
Round 2 B.Eldred,1B,PIT J.Hirsh,SP,COL D.Fowler,OF,COL A.Lind,OF,TOR
Round 3 A.Hernandez,2B,NYM C.Gonzalez,OF,ARI M.Kemp,OF,LAD R.Martin,C,LAD
Round 4 B.Bannister,SP,KC M.Pelfrey,SP,NYM R.Braun,3B,MIL C.Quentin,OF,ARI
Round 5 C.Hansen,RP,BOS B.Wood,SS,LAA I.Stewart,3B,COL C.James,SP,ATL
Player CLV Jackhammers GF PhoenixV
Round 1 E.Andrus,SS,ATL J.Sharpless,RP,PIT R.Brignac,SS,TB Y.Gallardo,SP,MIL
Round 2 J.Tabata,OF,NYY T.Diamond,SP,TEX C.Kershaw,SP,LAD F.Martinez,OF,NYM
Round 3 D.Bard,SP,BOS J.Guzman,3B,TB E.Campbell,3B,ATL J.Saltalamacchia,C,ATL
Round 4 L.Hochevar,SP,KC C.Maybin,OF,DET S.Elbert,SP,LAD Ad.Miller,SP,CLE
Round 5 J.Upton,OF,ARI Y.Petit,SP,FLA An.LaRoche,3B,LAD C.Billingsley,SP,LAD

403oasiserfede
      ID: 4129517
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 13:34 		I'm not trying to be a Dudley Do-Right here, but I strongly suggest that when you want to pick up players you check post 402 in this thread or look here and check that the player you want isn't protected. If you don't see him, hit CTRL-F and do a search, just to be really sure.

It would a little annoying to miss out on the playoffs, because the guy in front of you used a guy he wasn't allowed to use. But that's just me and my opinion.....
404PhoenixV
      ID: 321151911
      Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 15:38 		Agreed, Dudley Do-Right, ehrm, oasis. :)

Also, in the first days of the season, remember not to pick up the players that Yahoo hasn't made available yet (see post 380-381). I want my Hermanson!
405Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 01:26 		I looked into trying to blck specific players, and I just can't do it...but what I can probably due is set their waiver date some time way in the future if you notify me and then no one will be able to pick them up.

For instance. Yusnerios Petit is on Jackhammers roster. Well I can set Petit's waiver date for October 30th(i think), and that way no one can pick him up...then if Jackhammers wants to call him up when he is pitching gems for my dbacks in august I can just change the waiver date so he can pick him up.

I can change waiver dates on all the prospects, everybody just needs to tell me as they are added to yahoo who to do it for. If you don't ask me to do it, I won't. Thats just too much for me to track on my own.

When the players like sosa and hermanson etc get added, let me know and I'll change their waiver dates so they can be added immediately w/ out a problem.
406Andrew
      ID: 53141119
      Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 01:30 		I lied...I just tried to verify it and I can't actually do that waiver thing...it was a good idea though. Atleast I think so.

Sosa, Hermanson and Lindstrom are all added to yahoo and I just made them all free agents. We are still waiting on Chico I guess.
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