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Game sites:     TSN Baseball     Swirve Baseball     Prog. Sports. Chall.     Sandbox     Yahoo! Baseball 0 Subject: RIBC AAA: PCL Preseason/Draft Discussion Posted by: Species - Dude [07724916] Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 18:04 We might as well continue discussions here. As everyone knows, our draft order has been set as follows: Final draft order 1. Da Bomb 2. MBT 3. Cobwebs 4. C1-NRB 5. loki 6. Weykool 7. Smith32 8. aa 9. Andrew 10. Slackjawed Yokel 11. ksoze 12. Toral 13. JeffG 14. Species 15. darkside 16. JL Draft Start Date: I am leaning towards March 7th to be ahead of RIBC.....so unless you hear from me to the contrary, assume that I will open the draft on Kafenatid on March 6th (12pm ET-ish) with the clock starting March 7th at 9am ET. 1 MBT ID: 5823919 Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 10:44 Just an FYI, but my wife is trying to schedule a family vacation and the two options are March 10-17 or March 31-April 7. I'm pushing for the later date, but I have no power in my family ;) As soon as I know the exact dates I'll let you all know and make appropriate arrangements with a DP. 2 Smith32 ID: 401151818 Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 21:12 With Toral back online, is there any reason we can't open the draft now (and start the clock on Wed as scheduled)? If I can get a pick or two in before I leave Wednesday morning, it will be easier for me to finish my queue and instructions for allhair, who has graciously volunteered to be my DP while I am away. Thanks. 3 MBT ID: 46917216 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 08:27 It's official, I'm going to be gone March 11-19 but the good news is that we're going somewhere with internet access (at least part of the time). I'll find someone to cover for me but I agree with Smith open this up as soon as possible and start the clock on Wed. 4 Species Dude ID: 07724916 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 14:04 I'm okay with that, but this is coming out of left field for most of the league.....and I can't guarantee nor insist that every manager push forward right away. I'll send an email to the entire league to inform them. Note: - We will have a draft thread. So please post your pick in that thread as well as make it on Kafenatid - We will have a rationale thread. JeffG has stupidly volunteered to use his moderator powers to cut and paste past due rationales. - Draft will open early but clock will not start until Wednesday at 9am ET as scheduled. 5 MBT ID: 46917216 Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 14:43 I thought JeffG was just going to write my rationales? ;) 6 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:21 Ok, gang. Put your rationales here. I just verified that my moderator abilities on this board still work. 7 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:32 Why is there a draft thread when we are using kaffenatid's "On The Clock"? 8 JL       ID: 4234414       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 15:34 I had the same question. It seems unnecessary. 9 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 17:03 Answer was: so other Gurupies not on Kafenatid could follow it - but it doesn't matter to me. I trashed it....we'll stick to Kafenatid. BTW - I was most concerned about Toral, having been without access and mentioning in another league that he hadn't done much prep work yet. But after explaining that we're hoping to bang out a round or two before some guys take off, he'll get up to speed enough for now and should be able to get 2 rounds in, hopefully before Wednesday. 10 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 17:14 You can use the following URL to track this draft: http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/kpeek.pl?135 It shows the picks in sequential order, and also shows the grid (at the bottom) - all on the same page. 11 Slackjawed Yokel       Leader       ID: 052347519       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 21:01 Guys- I've got an all day business trip tomorrow - some touchy-feely employee satisfaction garbage (really I think it would help employee satisfaction if we didn't have to drive for 6 hours to meet up with the rest of our organization...). I'll put a queue together for my first pick but would prefer to make my own second round pick when I get back tomorrow night. 12 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 21:07 Cool.......just make sure it's AVAILABLE on Kafenatid -- you could also email it to me too. 13 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 09:44 I've dropped a note to C1-NRB to see if he can squeeze in the time to make a pick for those managers taking off this week. 14 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 10:31 Did the same yesterday evening... was he expected to be out...? 15 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:31 Again guys, sorry about that. I check the boards more than I do my email, especially on the weekends, but somehow this announcement eluded me. 16 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 11:33 C1 picked. Remember, this came way out of the blue so it would not surprise me to see people caught off guard. Our goal would be to squeeze in 2 rounds before Wednesday so Smith can at least pick his first 2 guys, which would have a significant affect on the management of his queue. Thanks to all for the flexibility. 17 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:16 Is Kafenatid sending out notices that it is your turn to pick? I wasn't sure if they do if the clock isn't on. 18 Cobwebs       Sustainer       ID: 058358241       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:38 Actually, I never got a notice to my primary e-mail address. I had problems last year, as my mail-server treated Kafenatid as spam. Don't know if it's the same problem this year. But I did get a message to my secondary e-mail address which is to my cell. Got interupted during my game of tennis, nearly lost, had to hurry home to pick;-) 19 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 12:43 I think that only works when the clock is on. I didn't receive a notice, except from you guys. :) 20 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:11 Cobwebs - thank goodness we did not cost you the tennis match! What's on the docket for this afternoon then? Tea, crumpets and croquet? What a pansy! ;-) .....next time say we interrupted your alligator wrestling - much more manly! C1 - the addy I see on Kafenatid is different than the one you signed up with. Double check that acct. 21 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:22 Ah. Problem corrected. I'm really not usually this high-maintenance/ density. 22 Cobwebs       Sustainer       ID: 058358241       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:49 20 LOL, Species, I'm OK with you thinking that I'm a pansy, then maybe I can sandbag you, and kick your butt like I did last year;-) To the rest of the managers, I was really alligator wrestling, and I was drunk too;-) My e-mail address was also faulty, but I've corrected it, everything should be working fine now:-) 23 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 13:58 Last year, schmlast year! Beating me didn't get you anywhere but a return ticket - big deal! You're going down dude! I *might* have interest in trading down in Round 2 to somewhere in the 7 to 11 range. Those picking in round 1 spots 8 to 12 ish is probably where I might be interested in doing it. This is obviously dependent upon who is available at my pick.....but I wanted to throw the possibility out there now so as not to slow things up. So from aa to Toral if you could have interest, let me know. 24 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:15 Species....I never replied to your comment about me in the sign up thread. 2 - He got his ass handed to him in RIBC last year, so he must suck and will be easy prey! ;-) Suck??? Easy Prey??? BTW, I finished 9th in RIBC last season. Even with all things being equal, you finished 9th in PCL last season. I see you had previously finished 13th in your last RIBC 'majors' appearance, while I was 5th in my previous visit to AAA. I am looking forward to a season full of trash talking, but past history alone shows that I expect you will be looking up at me in the food chain this season ;) 25 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:38 Dammmmmmmmnnnnnnnn.......as my 12 year old would say: "You got TOLD!" lmao I think I need to lay off the trash talk! 26 MBT       ID: 46917216       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 14:52 Just an FYI but I received an "on the clock" email when it was my turn. 27 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 19:04 Pushing this towards the top in the hopes Weykool notices. Dude, we started the draft! 28 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 19:29 Sorry guys. No internet access at work and wanted the time to make the first pick. Once we are on the clock I will make use of the DP. Pick made. Next up. 29 Andrew       ID: 52459       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 20:01 Man, before the draft I mapped out the first round and I decided their was a big drop off after 7 guys, and as it happens...When it was time for me to pick the highest available choice was 9 so I risked it. What do you know, 6 went in the top 7 picks...With that said, I think I might be wanting to try to move down in the 1st round in order to move up in the 2nd, if anyone is interested. Unless you want to give up Utley for my pick and move up next round, Smith? 30 Andrew       ID: 52459       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 20:03 <--my e-mail for anyone who wants to make me an offer. 31 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:07 Andrew - email sent. 32 Andrew       ID: 52459       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:24 just sent one back 33 Andrew       ID: 52459       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:36 TRADE ALERT Smith32 gives up Utley, his 2nd and 10th round picks in exchange for My 1st(will be David Ortiz), my 2nd and 8th round picks. 34 Andrew       ID: 52459       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:37 I'm not sure if that needs to be okayed by the league...Can I go ahead and pick for him? 35 Species       ID: 15237519       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:38 Go ahead and pick for him, then I will process the trade. 36 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 21:39 I confirm the terms of the deal posted by Andrew in #33 above - Utley, my 2nd, and my 10th for his 1st, 2nd, and 8th. 37 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 23:15 The draft is cruising this evening. I made Species (who will select right before me) my DP and left a 5 player queue and designated it as available. If it gets back to my slot tonight, Species can administer my 2.04 pick immediately after posting his own 2.03. If it does not get back to me, I'll take him off in the AM and probably waffle a few more times and pick myself tomorrow. 38 darkside       ID: 181035120       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 23:29 I made my first round pick and left a 3 player queue w/ everyone but JL a picker. 39 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 23:45 Good work gentleman. Slackjawed Yokel said he'd be back tonight so I hope he can set a round 2 queue if becomes unavailable tomorrow. I wanted Berkman. 40 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 00:23 Does anyone want to trade into my pick at 2.03?? 41 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 00:30 I'll be back in 30 mins or so to see if any offers come in. 42 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 00:42 Species. What did you have in mind? 43 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 01:24 Offer sent. 44 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 02:07 Don't want to hold up the draft. I flipped 6 coins and picked. 45 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:08 I'm leaving at 10am ET for a spring training game, anyone available to be a designated picker in case Toral doesn't pick by then? 46 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:19 I'm around all day (mullenta). 47 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:24 I can be a DP today for anyone who needs it. 48 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 09:25 thanks guys, I'll set you up as DP's in half an hour if necessary for my round 2 pick. 49 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 10:04 Moot point, I picked. 50 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 11:49 I'm a DP for Smith32 but I'm under the impression that he's still around and wanted to get his own picks in until he left... He's up (via trade) but unless it's obvious that I need to go ahead and pick for him, I'm going to let it sit for a while. Species... any thoughts? 51 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:02 Random On the Clock DP question. If my queue is in 'unavailable' mode, will it still email the DPers? I'd make everyone except JL my DP right now but I don't want everyone to get the email all the time because I won't very often need a DP, but probably will at some point. So, can I set up DPers and just make my queue unavailable to keep them from getting the email...or should I pose this question to KKB? 52 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:05 I agree allhair.....give him a couple of hours or so. 53 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:37 darkside, I'm pretty sure how you described it is how it works. I think that was a change KKB made last year, so that you could just switch the DP option on or off, without having to add and remove DPs if you didn't want them to get an email... 54 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:57 You're up allhair. Giddy up. 55 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 12:59 BTW - as per usual RIBC custom, we'll post rationales two rounds in arrears, so when 3.01 gets picked, that manager should also go and make their rationale. JeffG has a rationales thread....but instead of burdening him unnecessarily, if you are ready you can post yours yourself. Obviously we do intend to keep it in order to use placeholders if any previous managers are tardy. 56 darkside       ID: 571157298       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:15 Thanks for the reply, Species. I've made everyone but JL my DP and have my queue unavailable, so hopefully you guys don't get the emails. I'll always post in here if I'm going to need a DP. 57 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 15:15 Sorry guys... got caught up in meetings... I pushed the next couple pick through and now loki's up... 58 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 16:04 Just a quick request... Anyone who makes me a DP should remove me from being their DP when I am not needed. Because I set up On the Clock so I get a text message when it is my turn to pick, I also get one when anyone who has me as DP is up. It's fine if I'm needed, I'll be glad to keep the draft moving, but if it is not needed for a specific round, please take me off. I am in this league, and an office league, and I had a huge cell bill last year with all the text messages I received. (then again, this year I will not have blue hen sending me 'where R we?' or 'who was just picked' several times a day which will also keep the message count down). 59 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:48 Species, I was looking at the Pause Clock at the bottom of our Draft Homepage. The way it's currently set, it will be on "pause" from 8:00 am one day until 7:00 am the next day; meaning it will only be "un-paused" for the hour between 7:00 am and 8:00 am. I'm sure you meant 8:00 pm. 60 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:54 Sorta. While we are untimed I needed to put some kind of pause in....so I did that to basically have these last few days be untimed. I will amend it once we start the clock officially. 61 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 17:58 I figured you would, but I wanted to make sure it wasn't an oversight. 62 Andrew       ID: 52459       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:20 thanks for making that pick for me. I was setting up my queue and I just didn't have time to post directions. I made both the managers next to me(Weykool and AA) as well as the commish designated pickers for me. If you ever make your pick or are waiting to make yours and see mine is available go ahead and pick for me. Otherwise I'll pick myself. If you want me to take you off of designated picker status I will do so. 63 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:20 Well actually I'm gonna need KKB to make that change for me. I can only amend the draft pause when it is NOT actually paused --- which would be between 4am and 5am my time. No thanks! lol I've emailed KKB to request the change to be effective tomorrow. 64 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:38 Now that we are drafting, I would like to remind everyone of our Designated Picker Protocol: ========================================= Designated Picker Protocol: I think it would be helpful to consider these commandments before making any picks: 1 - Check your email for any specific instructions from that team - i.e. their queue could have been for "Round X only" and we'll need to give them time to readjust their queue. 2 - Check the board for posts about their queue, or other instructions relevant to that team's wishes 3 - Absent that, it is then the responsibility of the particular owner to have an updated queue ready and also to manage your DP's. If you do not designate that a queue is for a particular round only and someone picks from an available queue, it's on you. That being said, if nobody else has picked and a manager wishes to change a pick made by someone else, I would likely allow it. But if the draft continues you are likely ****-out-of-luck. ========================================== So there is a responsibility placed on the Designated Picker to check email and the board before making a pick. But if no instructions to the contrary are given, it is the manager's responsibility to be in charge of their queue and DP's. No cries of "but I didn't realize it would get back to me" ...... or "I wasn't ready for round 5" will hold much water. 65 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:45 Andrew, re: post 62 No prob on my side... Species, "consider these commandments"? ;) 66 Toral       ID: 52621719       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 19:15 I changed my Kafenatid e-mail some hours ago and that makes my Kafenatid account invalid until I receive an e-mail from Kafenatid instructing me how to reactivate it. I doubt we're moving fast enough that we're headed back towards me thoush. Toral 67 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 19:26 #65 - well, somebody has to 'play god' (notice I didn't capitalize that so as not to be any more sacreligious than I already am!) around here and carve out (get it? CARVE out the rules in stone?) some rules!! lol And it ought to be a sin to break the draft protocol!!! 68 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 22:47 Da Bomb ain't droppin' the Bomb on Me....bay-ba.......he' ain't droppin the Bomb on Meeeeee 69 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 07:39 Heading out the door for my trip... Art has a queue that should get me to my 9.07 pick (and my next pick after that is 11.07) and is my DP. I will post when I return Sunday evening around 9 or 10 PM EDT. 70 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 09:57 I emailed KKB to double check about when OTC emails managers set as DPers. Here's the reply: "I double-checked the code and it does NOT send emails when your queue is unavailable. It actually checks both that your queue is available and/or that free-form entry is available before sending an email." So go ahead and set up Designated Pickers and just be aware of when your queue is available! 71 MBT       ID: 52279       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:06 Just a reminder to everyone that the clock is up and running, 6 hours per pick. 72 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 10:30 Made my 3.06 pick and heading out the door to work. If it makes it back to me for round 4 I will make the pick when I get back. Had my Q set for rnd 3 and not enough time to look at my next pick. If it does go quickly spicies can E-mail me and I will work something out. 74 Weykool       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 12:20 Good work guys....at least Smith32 got two picks in (making a big trade) and probably had an 'easy' round 3 queue before he took off. Keep in mind that Smith32 obviously won't be doing rationales so if allhair can include placeholders in the rationale thread each round (since he's picking next to him anyway) that would be great. I put a placeholder in for Weykool as I believe he has stated he has no access from work so keep that in mind for the rationale thread. 75 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 12:21 lol --- oops didn't change my handle. 76 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:09 Reminder - please keep up with your rationales. 77 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 14:47 The sucky thing about waiting when your pick is coming is it gives you longer to waffle on your picks. I've rotated a list of like 5 guys I'm looking for in this round! 78 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 14:50 [77] I agree. I went about 3 different ways on my 2.04 pick and had my pick been an hour ealier, or the next morning, I would have picked differently. I took advise Guru had posted on the RIBC board and started drafting rationales about the players I was considering to see which ones had less compelling arguments. 79 Toral       ID: 52621719       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:30 MBT 73 Mentioning undrafted players in this thread is generally considered improper. 80 MBT       ID: 52279       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:39 Sorry, won't mention names next time. Any other rules of etiquette I should be aware of so I don't ruffle any feathers? 81 Andrew       ID: 37229223       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:50 It would probably be a good idea actually to delete the post in most instances when undrafted players are named, although it might not matter at this point. I'll get my rationale up in a second. 82 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:50 [73] has been cleansed ;) Don't forget if you did not post your rationale timely, to throw it in the placeholder thread and I can transfer them evenings. 83 MBT       ID: 52279       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:57 Extra cleansed ;) 84 Toral       ID: 52621719       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:57 1st time this year the player I want has been taken right ahead of me. This happens a lot. 85 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:07 Sorry Toral, I didn't want two SP's this early but didn't think I could take a pass on him. I'll be gone most of the day tomorrow, anyone be around that I can use as a DP? 86 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:12 I'll be available for DP for anyone who needs any weekdays. 88 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:19 Thanks Jeff, will do when I'm gone for good. 89 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 17:35 C'mon, Species...I thought you said this was a league for people who liked a fast draft?!?!? ;) 90 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:07 LOL - sorry guys. Went off to lunch with my father......he talks a lot. Of course ksoze picked like 5 minutes after I left, followed immediately by the other two, leaving me looking like a chump! 91 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:27 ksoze - I can pick for anybody so be sure to leave instructions if you need to. Like ksoze, I had no intention of picking a SP at this point, but when the reigning NL Cy Young is sitting there at the end of the 3rd round, I couldn't say no. 92 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:36 Queue available. Pretty much entire league is DP. Left my next rationale in the holder thread, if whoever picks wouldn't mind copying it in there. Thanks. 93 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:39 The hard drive on my 5 year old computer crashed yesterday necessitating reformatting and reinstalling Windows XP. The computer is acting up again tonight, and it looks like it is ready to crash again. When I am in my office, I should not have a problem, but I am apologizing in advance for possible delays at home. I ordered a new Dell today and should have it in about a week; in the interim I may be able to borrow a laptop from my daughter if mine goes down again. 94 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:57 Wow darkside. 3 of your first 4 players are Yankees. 95 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 18:59 Noticed that too. What a homer! Somewhat surprising to see Giambi go there -- not that he's necessarily not deserving, just surprising. Like the Wells pick. If I didn't have an OF I would have taken him. 96 Slackjawed Yokel       ID: 425869       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 19:56 loki - I was in a similar boat as you - I just ordered a new computer from Dell a week and a half ago - took only four days to get here... today I got an enclosure for my old hard-drive to see if I can salvage the files off of it. When it was apparent the motherboard was going out, I backed everything up on a new external drive that promptly went kaput when my computer did. 97 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:03 Sorry, won't mention names next time. Any other rules of etiquette I should be aware of so I don't ruffle any feathers? The only other rule that you need to be aware of is to not comment about certain postions. comments like: "Looks like the run on ___ (pos)has now started". Or "After player XYZ there aren't any other players at that position worth drafting". Just try to leave it up to each manager to figure out what is happening in the draft and dont make any comments that could have even the slighest influence. 98 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:00 Nice value for loki at 4.12 99 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:32 Glad I decided to check in tonight. At the rate things were going I was sure it would be lunchtime tomorrow before I came up again. Way to turn the corner guys. 100 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:45 Nice round 4. It has to be an RIBC record at any level. Thirteen picks made so far this round took just over 3 hours, and I believe without anyone using a DP. 101 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:48 My bad! I jumped the gun on your placeholder, Weykool. I self-edited my placeholder off the thread (in case anyone saw it). 102 darkside       ID: 181035120       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:51 My queue at the time was Giambi, Wells, Thome. Giambi won out cause I think/hope he's finally healthy and will have a big year--maybe even near 1.000 OPS. I really liked Wells too. Adding the SB to his power and counting stats would have had him first had I not had Vlad. What's funny about my already taking so many Yankees is that I almost never do. Giambi last year in Puget Sound was the first Yankee I'd ever drafted. The way guys fell to me made them seem like the best choices. 103 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 23:04 Giambi will surely do fine this year, we may see his best numbers in pinstripes yet, especially now that he is going to be for the most part a full-time DH and batting cleanup between Abreu and ARod. I usually do not end up with too many Yankees. In my office league my league mates just over-value them and pick them way earlier than I think they should go, and in RIBC I tend to convince myself that I am not thinking un-biased. 104 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 04:56 I should be able to check in about 11:15 ET to update my queue and make it available if I'm not already up to pick. 105 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 08:49 There's one player I'm targeting and I think I may like to try to trade up. If anyone is interested in trading their 5th and 6th for my 5th (5.15) and 6th (6.02), shoot me an email. I don't think I want him bad enough to do your 5th and 7th for my 5th and 6th, though. But, if you're targeting someone you think may fall a bit, your next pick after that would only be 3 away! 106 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 08:51 I would be interested in trading down. Will only be here for another hour if you want to do the deal. 107 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 09:14 It's really contingent on whether or not the guy I want is still available by the time it gets to your pick (I assume that's a normal request...I've never made an in-draft trade before). Can we agree in principle here and then if my guy is still there maybe Species can work some sort of commish magic making it so I can pick in your slot? I don't even know how trading picks works in OTC. 108 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:06 You can agree in principle - perhaps CC me via email so I know it's binding. Then if Weykool isn't around (and dude, I hope you left a queue because you would time out before getting home from work) I can make the choice and input the trade. darkside - basically I enter the trade and instead of showing Weykool up it shows YOU as being up to draft. Pretty easy. 109 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:10 Glad to hear it's so easy. Thanks, Species. I'm game to agree in principal, but I've not heard from Weykool other than post 106, so nothing doing right now. 110 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:11 Cobwebs just took Sheets...that's who I wanted. Didn't figure he'd get very far. Oh well. Nice pick, Cobwebs. I think he could be a stud this year. 111 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:17 Sheets wiil get hurt just like every other year. Cobwebs did you a favor. 112 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:19 The competitive side in me hopes you're right, but if not he's a steal in the 5th. 113 Cobwebs       Sustainer       ID: 058358241       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:25 Thanks darkside, and sorry for messing up your plans. Yeah, Sheets is a stud if he only can stay healthy. 114 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:31 I'll be back online in roughly 1 hour for any commissionering, if necessary. 115 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 10:44 I would still be interested in trading down and swapping 5th and 6th round picks if anyone is interested. I will leave a Que for my pick if I dont get any offers. I can be reached bt E-mail if anyone wants to swap. If Species could give it a little time once my clock starts it would be appreciated. Thanks 116 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 11:30 Species/JeffG, Please use my queue to choose my fifth round pick only. Thanks... 117 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 11:38 I'm debating how much "a little extra time" is. In 7 minutes it would have been 1 hour since his request for trade offers. He's been on the clock 10 mins now. I'll give it another 30-40 mins. 118 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 12:02 I'd like to send a "thank you" to allhair for removing that supreme temptation from the draft board. I don't know if I would have been able to resist! lol Very interesting progression of the draft. I've had to amend my strategy twice now I think! 119 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 12:03 Gentleman, please don't ignore your rationales. Placeholders please if you are not prepared to author them yourselves. 120 Toral       ID: 52621719       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:20 This time down the line, the guy I wanted was taken two positions before me. Could a pattern be developing? 121 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:22 Me too. I was hoping Roberts (or Dice-K) would fall to me. 122 MBT       ID: 5425588       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:26 Re: 118 I agree, this has been a very interesting progression. I would not have predicted this draft to go the way it has so far. Can't wait to see all of the draft recaps and overall team rationales. 123 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:30 Something's going on here... I posted my 3.04 rationale in the proper thread, but now it's gone and a placeholder is holding it's place. I'll repost it in the placeholder thread. 124 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:31 ksoze gets a steal in the 5th round in Helton. No he isn't going to slg .520+ but that is an absolute rape at that spot. He would not have lasted past me. Was also looking at Roberts if he fell. Back to the drawing board! 125 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:36 [123] C1-NRB - I think what happened was I was moderating the rationale thread and inserting other peoples placehoders in there while you must have simultaneusly been posting to it. 126 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:45 And you forgot to past Toral's 3.12 in before yours Jeff. Thanks for updating the thread and keeping it clean though! Much appreciated! 127 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:47 {124} Species- I've had Helton on my RIBC team every year, either by draft or trade. I was holding out hope that he would fly under the radar for one more round after the rollercoaster year he had last year. 128 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:52 ....and of course JeffG steals Chipper right out from under me. Here's hoping Rolen has a resurgence after burying the hatchet with LaRussa. 129 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 13:54 I hada real short queue after a few of my other options got snagged. ..Chipper was heads, Rolen was tails ;) 130 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 14:02 Chipper and Rolen were at the top of my queue as well. Had to go in a completely different direction with him, then Rolen, gone. 131 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 14:58 I should be back in an hour. 132 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 15:29 I'm taking off for an hour myself. That way I can continue to waffle over about 4 different directions I can go! And that's just not players in a particular position, that's 4 totally different directions! lmao I hate drafting near the end. 133 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 17:05 thanks to whomever made my pick for me, I'm back from the Reds/Tigers game now. Rodney vs. Dunn made for quite a long homerun. 134 JL       ID: 6242817       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:43 Sorry for holding up the draft. I didn't expect it to move so quickly today. I'll make my picks shortly. 135 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:55 Thanks for checking in. I was about to determine whether or not you got any extra time being on the end before we skipped both picks. It does beg the question though - you don't check your email or this draft basically the entire day? Or, at a minimum, once during the day?? Admittedly you had made your 4th round pick last night at 649pm, so for it to get back to you 30 picks later at 158pm the next day is exceptionally fast. Still, I would like to think that checking once or twice during the day, no matter how far away it is, is reasonable. Damn I feel like a Catholic School nun smacking kids with a ruler! ;-) 10 lashes for JL! 136 Species       ID: 151172211       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:12 I will likely be on the road shortly. 2-man queue is in and darkside along with JeffG are the DP's. 137 JL       ID: 6242817       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:38 There is no need to add extra time at the end of rounds before you skip both picks. I didn't have access to the internet during the day today. I checked the draft at 7:40 CST this morning and saw that there were 16 picks to be made before mine. I have never seen 16 picks made in a 6-hour span of time in an RIBC draft. Based on that, I decided not to leave a 18-man queue. We have a 6 hour clock in this draft to guard against these unexpected situations. I apologize for taking 5 of those 6 hours. I know how irritating it can be for everyone when one person slows down the entire draft. With that said, I don't have a history of being a slow drafter, so this probably won't happen again. 138 darkside       ID: 181035120       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:45 Whoops. Don't know if you noticed, JeffG, but I was adding placeholders for picks just made, not the correct ones. I deleted them all. Thanks for putting the correct ones in. I've got my Giambi one done, but it's at work, so I'll post it tomorrow. 139 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:50 darkside - I did notice (I did the same thing a few rounds ago where I entered the current picks instead of the minus 2). Luckily easy enough to fix. I was actually going to write a mock rationale for Giambi for you making you sound like an obsessed Yankee fan, but unfortunately, I'm not as witty as I hoped ;) 140 darkside       ID: 181035120       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 19:54 Probably wouldn't be too hard...just write what comes to mind since we're not too far apart in our obsession! 141 Andrew       ID: 52459       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 23:43 Hey everybody just a heads up...Kind of last second. I'm going to be out of town with little to no internet access from tomorrow miday PST until late afternoon Sunday. I'm going to leave a super long queue with my brother who will make picks for me, and he may need to leave them with you as his free time dictates. Sorry for the inconvenience guys. 142 MBT       ID: 46917216       Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 23:57 Don't worry about it. I'm going to be going through the same thing next week with a family vacation. Just make arrangements and everything's good. 143 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 00:11 At least we know his bro, so that's good. JL - I hear you.....sounds like one of those "perfect storms" today. No access and a lightning round that could catch anyone off guard. FYI - Guru's historical policy is that those on the end only get one clock. 144 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 00:15 Wow -- just checked the main RIBC and Guru took Hafner at 1.12 and KKB took Abreu at 1.14. With those guys' combined knowledge taking my #1 and #2 picks, maybe I lucked into some good picks! Cool! 145 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 07:37 Hopefully RIBC will catch and pass us so we can steal their ideas in advance. 146 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:43 [144] C'mon - Guru is an Indians fan. That was a home team move ;) 147 JL       ID: 824297       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:45 I probably won't be checking the internet until around 12 or 1 pm CST today, so be prepared to wait if you all reel off 20 picks in the next 3 hours. 148 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:59 Yeah... that's going to happen. 149 MBT       ID: 4423098       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:33 Hey guys, we're falling behind on the draft rationales. Let's get some placeholders up there. 150 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:01 I know Weykool usually has no (or limited) access during the workday Pacific Time. I trust he has set a Round 7 queue before departing for the day? (hint.....hint) 151 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 11:24 ....and C1-NRB gives me my first jaw-dropping, 'hold $hit' moment of the draft in taking Freel. I really like him as a player....hell I did the same thing last year in AAA.....just thought he would go quite a bit later. Can't wait to hear Cobwebs' rationale on Barfield....another player I really like, but not 6th round type of like. And MBT continues his excellent draft getting a fairly late round anchor for his staff. Nice. 152 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 11:28 LOL...I was surprised by both picks as well and am also really liking MBT's squad. I hate picking at the end. You either hope some guys will slip or just take them really early. If you don't get the Pujols pick, I think the middle of the draft is the way to go. 153 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 11:36 I'm sure most "end drafters" would agree darkside....either you get lucky with someone falling or on your 2nd pick you have to reach all too often a round early to get the guy you want because they won't be there 26 picks later. Frustrating! Some very interesting strategies. I can't wait to read up on people's thoughts going into the draft. 154 MBT       ID: 4423098       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:47 My preference is to be at one of the ends. When the opportunity arose to pick 2nd I couldn't resist. Thanks for the props on my draft so far, but this thing is far from over. 155 MBT       ID: 4423098       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:28 I'm going to have trouble getting away during my vacation to do rationales. I'd appreciate it if someone could put up placeholders for me starting Sunday and I'll add my rationales when I get back or if I have time while I'm gone. I'll have access occasionally so I'll be able to keep up a Q. 156 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:45 Sorry about my lack of rationales... I'm absolutely swamped at work and putting in Herculean hours... just taking time to check my draft status... started writing some notes on the train this morning... will try to get some posted this evening... 157 MBT       ID: 4423098       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:52 You are not Hercules. 158 allhair allstars       ID: 5614179       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:59 It's more a reference to the stable scene than anything else... ;) 159 MBT       ID: 4423098       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 16:16 I can see that. 160 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:10 Another absolute steal by MBT this round in Weeks. Geez can somebody stop this guy? The SP run finally begins. Geez was I tempted to take one in round 6. Sigh....I hate being on the end. 161 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:24 I was away all day without access, and it looks like I came back at just the right time. This has been a very smooth draft, so far. You can't believe how happy I am that Lyle Overbay was still available, from my queue. For the reason, see my Lackey rationale, when it comes around to that. I would tend to agree with anyone who pointed out that if you are concerned whether Lyle Overbay has been drafted or not, you've probably had a bad draft. Nevertheless this makes my day. Depending on how fast we go tonight, I might possibly hold things up with my next pick, as I have a lot of list catching-up to do, I have keepers to declare and last-minute trades to try to pull off in another league, I am probably going to bed early, and my draft strategy is very confused. Toral 162 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:45 Toral - congrats on getting the guy you wanted after the long turn. I thought Overbay was being very undervalued in this draft...one set of projections puts him on higher ground, and I think you did well. I'd like to encourage you, however, to perhaps take the break between your 8th and 9th pick to organize your thoughts. With only 8 total picks between your 7th and 8th it will go fast, and it will be back upon you pretty quickly. 163 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:46 JL and others - don't forget to use the separate rationale thread starting with round 6. 164 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 17:59 Species or JeffG - can you please erase my Kazmir rationale? I mention undrafted players and although I'm on the same machine, I can't delete it. Sorry! 165 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:00 Noticed that. I'm not a moderator! I'd suggest you take him and leave the rationale! ;-) 166 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:06 Ahh, that's right. What a bonehead. I even had it bolded because I wrote it when I drafted and didn't know if those guys would be there two rounds later. JeffG, I guess if he's still undrafted when you check in, can you delete it? Thanks. 167 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:40 JL rendered the issue moot. 168 JL       ID: 5243917       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:45 I was taking Haren anyway. I had Bonderman, Sabathia, Felix, Cain, and Haren on my list in that order. All five are steals at this point in the draft in my opinion. 169 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:53 I should have taken him w/ my Valverde pick. If only I had hindsight before it happened. I guess that would be foresight! 170 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 19:00 Dumbass. Haren stuck out like a sore thumb. It's not like Valverde is so much better than any other risky closer that JL could have conceivably taken! That large splash you heard at pick 8.03 was me taking a HUGE plunge. Think Leonard Davis (Cowboys OT) belly flop off the 3 meter board kind of plunge. 171 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 19:14 I'd like to encourage you, however, to perhaps take the break between your 8th and 9th pick to organize your thoughts. So...do you urge me to make my 8th round pick by selecting a player at random, or what? If you really want to speed things up, feel free to e-mail me the next few players on your list ;) Toral 172 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:05 That large splash you heard at pick 8.03 was me taking a HUGE plunge. Think Leonard Davis (Cowboys OT) belly flop off the 3 meter board kind of plunge. I thought I heard something over the din of McDonald's Playland. All the SPs taken in this run, and it definitely qualifies as a run, were on my board when I picked at 7.04 I think I should start looking another direction now; AAA is a tougher draft than AA, for sure. 173 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:16 I am here, but do not expect a quick pick. I am 4 rounds behind in some list updating, and 2 rounds behind in others. My draft strategy is non-existent. I was away today and have fallen behind. I am honouring everyone's desire for a quick pick by working through this now, when I could easily, easily...well there's no weekend draft pause, so I have no choice. Hmm. Anyway, I am making a point of droning through this stuff immediately, i.e., coming to a conclusion tonight, when my impulse is to forget baseball for a day and/or hit the sack. I might be able to make a pick within 2 hours or even 1 hour, when I should be catching ZZZZZZZZZZZZZs. But don't be refreshing the page every 5 minutes. My use of the "catch up, pause and mull" allowance of the draft framework will be rare, no more than once every 7 rounds ;), maybe this will be the only time. I'm generally a pretty fast drafter. Toral 174 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:20 Oh yes -- the rest of you can use the time to catch up on your rationales. 175 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:31 This is the time of the draft where I really enjoy the rationales. I know why guys like Albert Pujols, Alfonso Soriano, and David Ortiz get drafted when they do; what I appreciate is the agonizing over RP vs. MI vs. OF in the middle rounds. (It lets me know I'm not alone.) 176 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 23:27 Update: I won't be picking tonight. I'm still updating lists. We're at the stage where 2 players picked next to each other can be 4 pages apart in projection lists. Well...I will pick tonight. But so late that you shouldn't wait up for it. So get some sleep and catch up on your rationales. Toral 177 Toral       ID: 52621719       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 05:57 Alright, so I picked. Now leave me alone, will you! Bonds was an absolute steal at 8.03. That was criminal -- criminal, I tell you. I should be back to being a regular picker tomorrow. Thank y'all for your patience. Toral 178 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 06:27 Guilty as charged.....I was very curious as to where people felt Bonds should be taken. I was laughing as I was listening to the game when he hit his home run today....wondered if that swayed my thinking! 179 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 08:40 Species, I'm going to unexpectedly out of pocket for most of the day and evening, with a short window in the afternoon. Smith32 sent me instructions last night regarding his queue that I didn't get until this morning, and I'm not sure when he's going to be able to get back to me, but I may be gone by then. Are you (as the Kafenatid draft organizer) able to make picks for others? I forget if you'd have that ability or not... Or at least, might you be able to post his pick here when it comes up? I'm emailing him instructions to email you with his picks... unless he can make his own picks (which would be the easiest solution)... 180 Slackjawed Yokel       Leader       ID: 052347519       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 12:01 sorry for the delay there fellas... I set up a queue last night, but had neglected to set any designated pickers. I did in my other league if that's any consolation. 181 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 12:49 allhair #179 - the answer is YES. As Commish and organizer of the kafenatid draft, I can see all queues so long as one is there and is AVAILABLE. Note that this does not show me the WHOLE queue if you only make the top player available to see, so I don't get any advantage there. I got Smith's email and made the picks.....and obviously saw allhair's queue too. To all: obviously we are making excellent progress - thanks to everyone for their consideration in making their picks and preparing their queues. I have to admit I like the feeling of a smooth flowing draft - somehow it just feels more natural. However, over the weekend it will be okay if a few hours tick off between picks - it won't kill us. I will be out from 10:00am - 2:30pm Pacific Time....so play nice while I'm gone. 182 MBT       ID: 46917216       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 18:43 Species, I made you a DP just in case allhair isn't around and available. During my vacation he'll be handling my draft and I'm going to be emailing him instructions with regards to rounds and picks. I am around today so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't pick for me when it comes around to my turn as my pick decision may change depending on how the next two guys select. Thanks. 183 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 19:12 MBT - OK, so I won't do anything unless I see a message saying it is OK to pick from your queue. Cool?? 184 MBT       ID: 46917216       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 19:35 Perfect, thanks. I'll be traveling tomorrow from around 2:00 EST until 9:30 EST. If my pick comes up during that time feel free to pick the next two guys in my Q. I doubt that my picks will come up again during that time, but you never know. 185 allhair allstars       ID: 5614179       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 19:59 I'll be at work all day tomorrow, so I'll be around... travel safe! 186 MBT       ID: 46917216       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 20:00 Why are you going into the office? Its not like you work there ;) 187 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 20:25 MBT, Stop yakkin' and make your pick! You're up! 188 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 11:10 Species-I wonder if some managers think that there is a weekend pause in the draft. In my case all my previous drafts did pause on the weekend. With this in mind could you send an email reminder to the managers reminding them of this draft rule? 189 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 13:23 Done......although it is clear on Kafenatid and Toral had noted that fact in his pondering of when to make his pick....so it shouldn't have come totally out of left field. 190 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 13:59 ....and in the case of C1-NRB he was on the clock yesterday so I trust he noticed there was no weekend draft pause. 191 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 13:59 I was hoping to get my pick in before i need to leave for the Clippers game. I am leaving a 1 player Q. If the Que is empty I would like to trade down for this round. If nobody wants to trade down i will make my pick when I return. 192 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 14:03 LOL - and C1-NRB comes in RIGHT under the wire! Weykool - got your queue available? You're 1 pick away now. Make sure it's available to more than me as I'm taking my son to a movie in 3 mins. Leveraging off of C1's commentary during the draft, not only do the rationales get more interesting but so do the picks. In the first 6 or 7 rounds or so, you have a pretty decent idea of who will go where, at least within a half round or so. Here in round 9, it gets more and more diverse. 193 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 14:05 Sorry for the delay. I got online as soon as I could today. And even then I had a kid climbing all over me. 194 Andrew       ID: 52459       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 18:39 Alright guys...I'm back in town. It looks like this league happened to go smoothly in my absence, even if none of my other ones did. In fact, I got the exact two guys I wanted in those two rounds(even though one of the guys I was hoping to snag in the 10th went before my 9th round pick...oh well) 195 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 19:53 I am back from my vacation. Just in time to sit and watch 27 picks go by until my next one... Art - I'll take over from here. Thank you so much for your help. I'll try to catch up on my rationales, but since they came off of a big list that I hastily made (which will be noted in my Cano rationale;), they won't be too lengthy. Mostly just the projections I used to help make the list. Smith32 196 JL       ID: 32101118       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 20:10 I'm stepping out for a couple of hours. Hopefully the draft will have moved forward by the time I get back. 197 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:43 Is anyone else having trouble connecting to Kafenatid right now?? 198 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:45 I am having trouble too (database unavailable). If it comes back in the next hour, to be fair to Toral (who was about to time out), I may wait a little past his time-out before picking. 199 JL       ID: 542491120       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:50 How close was Toral to timing out? 200 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:52 I can't access Kafenatid either. Am heading to bed. May try to check back in to see if I can at least set a queue, but am not sure. 201 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:53 Within minutes.....I think he'd time out about now as a matter of fact. 202 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 22:55 kafenatid is back but slow. Toral times out in a minute. He did not post here he was trying. I'll give him 20 minutes grace to pick (or post here if he cannot get in). Otherwise I'll select around 11:15 ET. 203 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 23:11 Fair enough JeffG. Seems reasonable. 204 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 23:34 Queue available to Toral and Species. 205 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 00:09 Q available for Species. He can make 3 picks in a row - darkside (he is up), then his, then mine. Good night! 206 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 04:57 I'll be unavailable till mid afternoon so my queue is available for Species and Jeff G to pick from for round 10. 207 JeffG       ID: 146591911       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 09:27 Toral made his catch up pick for 9.12 about an hour ago. I hope he knows he was also on the clock for his 10.05 pick. Hopefully he'll check in here or at kafenatid. 208 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 10:31 I'm taking a kid to the doctor. Should the dam burst, my queue is available to Species for round 10 only. I don't expect to be very long, but you never know... 209 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 10:36 Left a short Q. Good for round 10 only. 210 MBT       ID: 820129       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 11:00 Go ahead and pick the next two guys in my Q, going out for a while. 211 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 12:14 I'm back. If I go out again I'll be sure to queue up. 212 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 12:53 I'd like to compliment the league on an excellent draft so far. We've had minimal delays and overall it's had a good flow. Thanks to everyone. I'd also like to express how competitive this draft is, too. Outside of 1 or 2 big reaches (IMO), all in all I believe all managers are on top of their game, have valid draft strategies and players really aren't slipping like they can. We are only 40% complete in our draft if you can believe that! You have to love how deep this draft goes. Every team still has some holes. It's fascinating to me the differing strategies - from early position scarcity (but at the cost of SLG and RBI?) to waiting on either RP, SP or MI...it's all over the board. In the end, IMO, it's still the manager that does best from Round 10 on that wins. Injuries in your first 7 picks will kill you, but for the most part those early picks will not make your season, you have to find hidden gems to really win.....geez looking at my team I sure hope that's the case! lol 213 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 13:05 ...Outside of 1 or 2 big reaches (IMO).... Please share! Bonds perhaps? ;) 214 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 13:15 Jenks and Harang mainly ;-) I guess C1-NRB got back and didn't make a queue?? Moderately surprised to see Hill and Hamels go so early. I love them but with nary a full year under their belts, should be interesting to see how they do. Compared to some of the vets available, those were interesting, but with great upside. Of course I wanted them too - just didn't have the wherewithal to take 'em when they did....although I did seriously consider Hamels in Round 10. 215 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:51 I just noticed Hamels went at 5.10 in the other AAA league... I was looking at him too, but not in the 5th! 216 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 16:18 Weykool is up and has a player in his queue, but per #209 I will wait. He's on Pacific Time so it could be most of the rest of the afternoon before he picks. 218 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 16:57 [217] never mind. I'm an idiot. 220 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:54 I'll grant you a mulligan on account of your outstanding work with the rationales. So thanks bro! 221 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 18:03 Weykool took the guy in his queue anyway, and we're off and running after a minimual delay. 223 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:14 Was I in danger of timing out? 224 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:32 I'll be out for the evening, Q available for Species and JeffG again, please only use for round 11 pick. I'll update in the morning before heading off to work, assuming it moves past me tonight. 225 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:04 Weykool - no, not at all. I was just pointing out that I didn't expect you to have access until after work Pacific Time, so I was warning those after you that it might be a few hours. But it wasn't, so it's all good. My queue is for Round 11 only and available to JeffG and darkside. 226 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:09 I just picked 4 in a row. I was DP for Toral, ksoze, and Species. ksoze and Species specified R11 only, not sure what to do if it gets back to Toral and he has a player queued up. I'll catch up and patch up the rationales later tonight. Just keep loading them to the placeholder as you can do them. 227 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:11 I'm around.....just was going to eat and with the draft 1 pick away and 2 guys in mind I just set it. If Toral has a player available in his queue and he did not specify anything to the contrary, you (and I for that matter) are free to pick away, JeffG. I don't see anything in darkside's queue though. 228 JL       ID: 142391219       Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:40 I'll catch up on my rationales later tonight. 229 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 06:03 Weykool - no, not at all. I was just pointing out that I didn't expect you to have access until after work Pacific Time, so I was warning those after you that it might be a few hours. But it wasn't, so it's all good. So then who picked from my Q? I wanted the chance to look things over before I made my 11th pick. 230 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 08:53 [229] So then who picked from my Q? I wanted the chance to look things over before I made my 11th pick. Weykool - Not I. I believe I processed your R10 (Verlander) pick per [209], but as per [220] did not process R11 (Podsednik) Did you have any other DP's? 231 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 09:03 Species or Weykool - as commish (or as manager), you should be able to see who made the Podsednik pick. Click on your name on the DRAFT HOME page, then click on Podsednik. It should say who made the pick. 232 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:05 FYI, from noon to 6PM EDT today, I'll be stuck in meetings (ZZZzzz). We usually have a few breaks, so I'll come back to my desk and check in on the draft. I'm pretty far from my next selection right now, but if I see it is getting close to my pick this afternoon, I'll set up a queue. I will not be available to DP this afternoon. 233 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:07 Hey, I think I might have flipped the switch on Weykool's mystery pick... Uh oh... 234 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 10:42 12 round pick made. Not leaving a Que for today. Will pick when I get back from work. Allhair. No harm. Was just wanted a little more time to look things over. 235 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:08 Dang it, loki! I just finished a well thought out, statistically supported rationale for Arroyo and now it's useless to me. You want it? 236 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:45 C1-NRB-Sorry, he was my highest ranked pitcher left. Queue left for my next pick only. 237 loki       ID: 146422415       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:02 Cobwebs-I thought that Broxton was my well kept secret , and I could get him late in the draft. Nice pick. 238 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:08 **IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT** It pains me to announce that I will be removing C1-NRB from the league. He has violated my recently-indoctrinated rule that you may not take my top rated players that I expected to make it back to me next round. Scott Olsen was mine. Sorry....you'll be missed. In other news, I am leaving in the morning for Spring Training. I will be gone through Saturday. I have designated JeffG, allhair and darkside as replacement Commissioners in my absence. They will have the authority to administer stuff at Kafenatid or handle any league issues. They will also be in contact with me when it's my pick and I will either give them my pick or have them post on the board when I will be able to make my pick. If you have any questions, catch me before tonight. 239 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:17 Blame loki. If I go down, I'm taking somebody with me. 240 Cobwebs       Sustainer       ID: 058358241       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:23 Thanks loki, you stole a few players that I wanted also. There are no secrets in this league, like Species said, all managers are on top of their game. Every turn is a nail biter hoping that targeted players are not taken, it’s frustrating at times, but I enjoy the competition. 241 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:37 Hahahaha - damn you loki! loki is such a mischievious figure in lore, too. Bastard! And loki - Broxton was on my radar too. Shame on me for going "safe" with Garcia instead of sticking to my guns and not taking the guys I really wanted :( BTW, I would really like to make the turn tonight before I go. Unfortunately, Weykool will not have a queue available so we're in the 6pm PT timeframe for him to make a pick. So if those after Weykool can be ready later today/early tonight to bang out the 2nd half of round 12, I would appreciate it. 242 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:21 I'm getting done unto coming and going. Otsuka was my super-sleeper last year (25th round). More rant in my 13.04 rationale. 243 darkside       ID: 181035120       Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:46 Queue available to JeffG and Species for round 13 only. Will be back online by 8am EST tomorrow. 244 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 00:32 Guys, My apologies for the delay... strong winds (or something) knocked out my Internet access... it was sketchy for a bit, and then I lost it all together... by the time I could get back on the computer it was fine (of course)... :( 245 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 00:54 I added JeffG and darkside as DP's for me. I'll be traveling tomorrow but anticipate having access late tomorrow evening CDT. I turned my queue on. Use it for 14 and 15 only, please. 246 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 01:33 Thanks a lot, allhair :( If one of my appointed commissioners would call me when I am up tomorrow I would appreciate it. I have thrown a whole bunch of guys into my queue but they are not in order but rather (mainly) a bunch of random guys I could be looking at during the time I am gone. Please do not pick from the top of my queue at any point. I will leave for the airport by 8am ET and can be contacted until about 9am ET when I board my flight. Thanks. 247 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 01:41 Andrew - saw your Hill rationale. I didn't say Hill was a huge reach. To quote: Moderately surprised to see Hill and Hamels go so early. ...while true that was right after I said something about "outside of 1 or 2 big reaches" a couple of posts before, I don't consider Hill one of them. Only compared to some of the more established pitchers available I was mildly surprised to see him taken at that pick. I think he's rock solid with tons of upside.....I just wonder if taking him this year is 1 year too early. 248 Andrew       ID: 52459       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 03:10 I think the way I phrased my comment came out a little harsh sounding. My first sentence kind of made you sound like a jerk... which is ridiculous when considering what you actually said. I wasn't thinking about that as I wrote it or anything, it just kind of came out wrong. Sorry if I put words in your mouth. I was mostly trying to put my pick in context I think. I wasn't taking offense to your comment, on the contrary I was actually thinking you had a good point. Some of that post may have been rationalizing the pick to myself a bit ;) I just assumed you meant it was one of the 1 or 2 big reaches. I'll be the first to admit that he'll probably be better in '08 then '07. Picking him in the 9th was just a risk I was willing to take, because I thought he had a good enough chance to be spectacular that I would take the worst case scenario. Now that I have 5 pitchers through only 13 rounds though, I think I probably could have afforded to do things differently. Another reason I took him so early is because I knew I wanted lots of players who would go in rounds 10-13, so I had to decide which ones would fall and who I needed to take early. A trade for extra 10th and 11th round picks might have helped. Anyways, have fun on your trip. 249 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 06:56 I've put JeffG, allhair and darkside, our illustrious "designated commissioners," as my DP's for my round 13 pick only. Thanks in advance.. 250 JL       ID: 46245147       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:48 I'll be back around noon central time today. 251 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:15 I guess Species is in transit [246]. Sent him a text message he'll get when he can turn his cell back on. 252 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:22 I talked to him this morning and you're right. He should touch down soon. If you need me to get in touch w/ him, let me know, otherwise I'll assume you're on top of it. 253 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:31 Left a short Q for round 14 only. If it is empty I would appreciate if someone could E-mail the picks to me. Thanks 254 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:56 Talked to Species and made his pick. After JL checks back in I'll make my pick and then call Species back. 255 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 11:37 I am all caught up with the rationales that were stored in the placeholder thread. Most of them are very good reads. Just a reminder, if you can, when you make a pick (yours or someone elses as a DP), please post a rationale or a placeholder for the pick 2 rounds previous to the rationale thread. 256 Species       ID: 532261411       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:55 Hey guys....thanks for making my last pick. I have set my queue for round 14 only. Heading out to a game soon. If someone can text me who I got, I would appreciate it. I should have access again around 5:30pm Pacific. 257 C1-NRB       ID: 19241412       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:05 Luck! The hotel has internet access. I'm leaving my queue and DP on for the day. Will check back later tonight. 258 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:08 I begrudgingly texted Species....I was really hoping Anibal would make it back down to me. I guess that was probably a pipe dream, though. 259 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:28 As per [253] sent email to Weykool 260 C1-NRB       ID: 332131420       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:15 I'm in for the night. I'll check in again in a little later to make my pick. 261 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:52 Thanks Jeff. Pick made. 262 C1-NRB       ID: 332131420       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:18 Pick made. No need for anyone after me in round 15 to wait up. I'll check in again in the morning. No rationales from me until late Friday/ Saturday morning- they're on the home computer. 263 Species       ID: 532261411       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 02:27 You guys suck. So slow! ;-) Got some sweet pics at the first Spring Training game. 264 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 02:39 Got some sweet pics at the first Spring Training game. I bet.....Like who?....name one... 265 Species       ID: 532261411       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 03:30 Brandon Wood with a batted ball in the pic. Vlad Guerrero. Two Hooters girls. Some guy in black #25. Pitchers. 266 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 09:12 Queue left for next pick only. 267 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 10:21 Left 2 player Q. If empty need to be notified by E-mail. 268 C1-NRB       ID: 5256158       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 10:58 Thanks for your patience. Pick made. Will be back this evening to check in on things... 269 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:00 Just so you know who did it, as one of the 'temp commissioners', I just went on Species Kafenatid ID and processed the DP picks for 15.05 - 15.07 - loki, Weykool, and Smith32. 270 Species       ID: 532261411       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:41 Gonna be leaving soon to go to Hooters (or the like) to watch some NCAA before going to Angels vs. Brewers today. If one of my designates would be so kind as to text or call when I am up, I will respond with instructions. Thanks! 271 Species       ID: 532261411       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:08 Got delayed on departure. Happened to be here for my pick and now I have set up a queue for Round 16 only. Any designated picker can go ahead and process the round 16 pick. If by some miracle it gets to me in round 17 before late tonight, I'll need time to adjust the queue. I wonder if it's because the early excitement has worn off or that it's just harder to dig deep for those late-round gems, but the pace has slowed.....but we are still in outstanding shape so again, props to everyone for keeping the draft at a reasonable pace. Of course, since I'm gone all day I don't agonize over a 3-hour delay on a pick! ;-) 272 darkside       ID: 181035120       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:49 I'll be able to make Species pick after mine. Need to look into things first as this last go-round really decimated my queue. I was especially unhappy to see both Ethier and Hart go. Arrgh! 273 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:23 I DP'd Toral last round 15.12, and he came up again. He had a pick in his Q, no instructions in this thread about any round restrictions, so I processed 16.05. 274 darkside       ID: 181035120       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:40 I just went to put a placeholder in for my rationales and saw that I'd need to put in about 25 others and, well, I don't have time. I can help catch up on them tomorrow, though, if you want to leave them. 275 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:50 I saw that too where the rationales are well behind with placeholders. I'll do what I usually do and catch it up later tonight. Everyone just load to the temp placeholder thread. 276 C1-NRB       ID: 482301522       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 00:33 Turning in for the night. Queue on so as not to hold things up. Round 17 only, please. 277 C1-NRB       ID: 59238168       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 10:40 Thanks for the pick-up. I'll check in tonight from the house. 278 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 16:48 I'm commuting home now and will be there in about 45 min. I can coordinate w/ Species then if it's his turn and no one else has. 279 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 18:43 I am in the process of being snowed in, so if anyone needs a DP, let me know. I should be around for awhile. I will try to catch up on my rationales too. I've made some sloppy picks lately, so they might be tough to write... more like irrationales... 280 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 18:54 I posted earlier that my computer crashed, and I would be buying a new computer. I posted the following on the computer forum, but I thought that some of the managers would find this interesting: I just purchased a Dell Inspiron laptop, and as of now I have spent over 10 hours trying to resolve problems with the machine. The first session was to enable me to connect to the Internet wirelessly. After a number of hours the incompetent tech managed to resolve the problem and we went on to the next issue. I also purchased a Dell wireless printer and Dell wireless adapter. I was unable to install either the printer or the wireless adapter and asked for tech support. After a long time the tech realized that the CD shipped with the computer did not have Vista compatible drivers for the printer, and he had to download the Vista drivers in order to install the printer. The tech then spent hours trying to install the wireless adapter and when he was unable told me I had to call a special printer help number. This number was only Dell's main telephone number. The following day I called back and after the usual long time on hold was connected to a tech who told me he couldn't help me but would transfer me to the wireless department. The tech at the wireless department after a long period of time determined that there were NO drivers that could connect this wireless adapter to a Vista machine. The tech also was unable to get my Palm blue tooth to be discovered by the laptop. Dell also sold me a Logitech blue tooth mouse that was incompatible with the touch pad and could not be installed. I am a relatively patient person, but after about 10 hours on the phone with Dell tech support I decided I wanted to return the machine and buy a Mac. Dell has a 21 day return policy but the small print states that the customer must pay for the returns unless there is a problem with the product. The supervisor who I was on the telephone with said he would contact customer care himself so that I would have no problems returning the machine and would have no problems with Dell paying the shipping costs(which are substantial). At this point after 134 minutes on the telephone with this particular tech support number I was disconnected!! I feel that I should be able to do a commercial for Apple. 281 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:53 I'm home. My board has been picked over the last few rounds, so I'm going to need some time to digest and reset. 282 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 17:47 Species-Nice pick up of Edmonds. Had I not forgotten about him I would have chosen him in either the 16th or 17th round. 283 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 23:08 Queue left for Round 20 only. 284 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 01:51 Hey guys - back in the saddle at home again. Pretty tired after the trip but will have some time at some point tomorrow to catch up on rationales and stuff. Thanks loki for those props. Edmonds stuck out like a sore thumb after my quest for speed got demolished 6 odd rounds ago....let's hope he can play 130 games and not get hurt at the same time Barry does. I had to laugh my ass off at C1-NRB's 'rationale' of Eckstein.....classic! 285 C1-NRB       ID: 17348117       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 17:53 We're almost even, Species. Nelson Cruz was my 25 round super-sleeper. 286 MBT       ID: 542141214       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 18:51 Aren't they all super sleepers by the time we get to round 25? 287 MBT       ID: 542141214       Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 18:53 Thanks AA and Species for covering my picks for the past few rounds. I've got another Q all set so go ahead and grab guys in order of the Q as long as it lasts. 288 Andrew       ID: 53141119       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:19 Calero and Crain were 1,2 on my queue...nice picks darkside. Weird to see my queue dissapear so fast in such late rounds. I had Buehrle, Billingsley, D. Johnson, Garza and the aforementioned relievers right their and they just all went within a round of each other. 289 darkside       ID: 181035120       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 08:45 Thanks, Andrew. I would have taken Garza instead of Crain had he been there. Looks like a lot of us are still looking at the same guys. 290 Smith32       ID: 2103514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 11:28 Glad to see I wrecked some queues with the Garza pick:) 291 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:21 From Toral's 7.12 Lyle Overbay rationale ... I came to admire the sagacity of whoever decided to wait and go for Conor Jackson, who could be comparable to Overbay this year. He eventually went 5 rounds later (jeffg, 12.04)... From dictionary.com... sa·gac·i·ty /səˈgæsɪti/ [suh-gas-i-tee] – noun acuteness of mental discernment and soundness of judgment. Cool ! Thanks ;) 292 Smith32       ID: 2103514       Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:52 If it gets to me, I will pick when I get home from work (6-7pm EDT). My sagacity is low with regard to my 23.07 pick and I need to do some research. 293 JL       ID: 152221922       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 00:24 I've made a 3-man queue with darkside as my DP. 294 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 01:00 Have a queue set for round 24 and made the guys on either side of me, Species and Toral, DP. Great draft everyone, we should be finished sometime Tuesday or Wednesday. It really moved pretty swiftly. 295 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 07:41 JL's queue is unavailable...guessing he turned it off when he realized I wasn't going to pick last night. 296 JL       ID: 3223208       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:26 Damn. I set the queue last night and made darkside the DP...but I completely forgot to hit the "make queue available" button. Sorry about that, guys. 297 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 10:50 No worries, JL. We're almost done anyway! Drafting is fun, but I'm ready to reclaim my life. 298 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 22:19 Note on rationales. As we make our last pick, we'll post the last 3 round rationales at once (if you are ready), triple placeholders otherwise. 299 ksoze       Leader       ID: 04619323       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:19 I set it up so everyone picking after me is a DP for my 25th round choice. Thanks guys!!! 300 Andrew       ID: 53141119       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:19 I've got a ton of rationales to make up...I have some free time this afternoon I'll see if I can get them done then, otherwise I promise by the end of the week. Sorry guys. 301 MBT       ID: 3820219       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 11:01 I'm in the same situation. I'll try to get some time to work on them this weekend. 302 MBT       ID: 46917216       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 18:53 Now that we're done I have to decide what to do with my time at the office. 303 Weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 19:57 I have a bunch of rationales to do as well. If anyone would like to take a look at my team and tell my why the hell I drafted some of these players it would be greatly appreciated. 304 MBT       ID: 46917216       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 20:21 I thought it was decided at the beginning of the draft that Jeff would do everyone's rationales. Why are the rest of us writing them again? 305 Smith32       ID: 401151818       Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 21:44 For kicks (ala post #302 by MBT) I went back and looked at who I drafted last year (I finished 4th in AA). That made me feel better about my draft this year, seeing that even if you manage to find 14 duds in a row (see Rds 11-24 below), you can still recover on the waiver wire. 1.13 Bobby Abreu OF PHI Smith32 2.04 Miguel Cabrera CI FLA Smith32 3.13 Aramis Ramirez 3B CHC Smith32 4.04 B.J. Ryan RP TOR Smith32 5.13 Hideki Matsui OF NYY Smith32 6.04 Joe Mauer C MIN Smith32 7.13 Armando Benitez RP SFO Smith32 8.04 Brandon Webb SP ARI Smith32 9.13 Edgar Renteria SS ATL Smith32 10.04 Cliff Lee SP CLE Smith32 11.13 Placido Polanco 2B DET Smith32 12.04 Dan Johnson 1B OAK Smith32 13.13 Mark Ellis MI OAK Smith32 14.04 Jose Contreras SP CWS Smith32 15.13 Luis Gonzalez OF ARI Smith32 16.04 Esteban Loaiza P OAK Smith32 17.13 Odalis Perez P LAD Smith32 18.04 Tim Wakefield P BOS Smith32 19.13 Jeromy Burnitz OF PIT Smith32 20.04 Rafael Soriano P SEA Smith32 21.13 Brandon McCarthy P CWS Smith32 22.04 Ben Broussard Util CLE Smith32 23.13 Aaron Cook P COL Smith32 24.04 Chris Duffy OF PIT Smith32 25.13 Oscar Villarreal P ATL Smith32 306 MBT       ID: 22231227       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:31 My draft from last year, finished 4th: 1.10 Chone Figgins OF LAA 2.07 Pedro Martinez P NYM 3.10 Johnny Damon OF NYY 4.07 Morgan Ensberg 3B HOU 5.10 Dontrelle Willis P FLA 6.07 Joe Mauer C MIN 7.10 Eddie Guardado P SEA 8.07 Jeff Francoeur OF ATL 9.10 Robinson Cano 2B NYY 10.07 Noah Lowry P SFO 11.10 Jermaine Dye OF CWS 12.07 Chris Shelton 1B DET 13.10 David Eckstein SS STL 14.07 Jeremy Bonderman P DET 15.10 Mike Sweeney CI KAN 16.07 Aaron Harang P CIN 17.10 Craig Counsell MI ARI 18.07 David Weathers P CIN 19.10 Craig Monroe OF DET 20.07 Justin Duchscherer P OAK 21.10 Adam Everett MI HOU 22.07 Octavio Dotel P NYY 23.10 Chris Young OF ARI 24.07 Rudy Seanez P BOS 25.10 Gregg Zaun C TOR 307 C1-NRB       ID: 24954318       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 14:04 Finished tied for third in AA Mudcats. Just curious, how did everyone else get here? Check out 9.02 and 25.02 They make up for 3.02 and 6.15 1.02 Albert Pujols 1B STL 2.15 Derek Jeter SS NYY 3.02 Brad Lidge RP HOU 4.15 Andy Pettitte SP HOU 5.02 Brian Roberts 2B BAL 6.15 Coco Crisp OF BOS 7.02 Curt Schilling SP BOS 8.15 Mark Mulder SP STL 9.02 Garrett Atkins 3B COL 10.15 Kenji Johjima C SEA 11.02 Magglio Ordonez OF DET 12.15 Jason Lane OF HOU 13.02 Greg Maddux SP CHC 14.15 Mike Sweeney CI KAN 15.02 Brad Radke SP MIN 16.15 David Dellucci OF TEX 17.02 Bill Mueller MI LAD 18.15 Phil Nevin UT TEX 19.02 Justin Duchscherer RP OAK 20.15 Cliff Politte RP CWS 21.02 Luis Matos OF BAL 22.15 Kenny Rogers P DET 23.02 Todd Walker 2B CHC 24.15 Eric Hinske CI TOR 25.02 Akinori Otsuka RP TEX 308 Species       ID: 5259811       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 14:06 FYI - If I'm really lucky I might be able to enter the draft today. We'll see. Check out my spring training writeup/pics in the baseball thread too. Very fun! 309 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 14:25 Just as a heads up, I noticed my 24th pick Matt Lindstrom, and Cobwebs 23rd pick Dustin Hermanson are not listed in the Yahoo database. I have the same issue with my office league that I commish. You will have to load placeholders (Keith Foulke is retired and Kris Benson out for year are good ones). Then when Yahoo adds them, we'll be sure to notify you so you can remove their initial waiver period and process the roster move. Of course, we will not get credit for any stats those unlisted players accrue while they are unlisted. 310 JL       ID: 362322215       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:40 I finished 4th in AAA last year after making some mid-season trades that vaulted me from about 10th to 4th place. Dye in the 12th round was a steal. 1.15 Miguel Cabrera 3B FLA JL 2.02 Chase Utley 2B PHI JL 3.15 Andruw Jones OF ATL JL 4.02 Carlos Delgado 1B NYM JL 5.15 Andy Pettitte SP HOU JL 6.02 Jason Giambi 1B NYY JL 7.15 Barry Zito SP OAK JL 8.02 Brett Myers SP PHI JL 9.15 Randy Winn OF SFO JL 10.02 Placido Polanco 2B DET JL 11.15 Zach Duke SP PIT JL 12.02 Jermaine Dye OF CWS JL 13.15 Luis Gonzalez OF ARI JL 14.02 Jon Lieber SP PHI JL 15.15 Dave Roberts OF SDG JL 16.02 Jason Kendall C OAK JL 17.15 Omar Vizquel SS SFO JL 18.02 Kyle Farnsworth RP NYY JL 19.15 Arthur Rhodes RP PHI JL 20.02 Rafael Betancourt RP CLE JL 21.15 Cliff Politte RP CWS JL 22.02 Mark Kotsay OF OAK JL 23.15 Gustavo Chacin SP TOR JL 24.02 Craig Counsell SS ARI JL 25.15 Kenny Rogers SP DET JL 311 Species       ID: 5259811       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:46 As some have pointed out, I guess I squeaked into a return trip to AAA from last year's PCL: Rd.Pk Player Name Pos Team Manager Traded From 1.09 David Wright 3B NYM Species 2.08 Lance Berkman 1B HOU Species 3.09 Adam Dunn OF CIN Species 4.08 Huston Street RP OAK Species 5.09 Jason Schmidt SP SFO Species 6.08 Ryan Freel 2B CIN Species 7.09 Mark Buehrle SP CWS Species 8.08 Brian Fuentes RP COL Species 9.09 Danny Haren SP OAK Species 10.08 Geoff Jenkins OF MIL Species 11.09 Cliff Lee SP CLE Species 12.08 Jason Kendall C OAK Species 13.09 Ronnie Belliard 2B CLE Species 14.08 Mike Sweeney 1B KAN Species 15.09 David Weathers RP CIN Species 16.08 Nick Swisher OF OAK Species 17.09 Omar Vizquel SS SFO Species 18.08 Brad Hawpe OF COL Species 19.09 Kevin Youkilis 3B BOS Species 20.08 Ambiorix Burgos RP KAN Species 21.09 B.J. Upton SS TAM Species 22.08 Corey Koskie 3B MIL Species 23.09 Salomon Torres RP PIT Species 24.08 Scott Williamson RP CHC Species 25.09 Gustavo Chacin SP Got way too pitcher-happy in those mid rounds, but made up for it with the Swisher/Vizquel/Hawpe/Youkilis combo in the late teens. 312 Andrew       ID: 53141119       Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 23:48 After dealing with a ton of 1st half injuries I came up from 15th to top 3-4 and then ended at 6 after Kazmir got hurt in AAA International. My 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th round picks were all disasters to various degrees. Kazmir, Bedard, Swisher and Hawpe all were steals though IMHO. 1.12 Michael Young SS TEX baseballislife 2.05 Victor Martinez C CLE baseballislife 3.12 Paul Konerko 1B CWS baseballislife 4.05 Huston Street RP OAK baseballislife 5.12 Dontrelle Willis SP FLA baseballislife 6.05 Chad Tracy 3B ARI baseballislife 7.12 Danny Haren SP OAK baseballislife 8.05 Ryan Freel 2B CIN baseballislife 9.12 Todd Jones RP DET baseballislife 10.05 Scott Kazmir SP TAM baseballislife 11.12 Erik Bedard SP BAL baseballislife 12.05 Jason Lane OF HOU baseballislife 13.12 David DeJesus OF KAN baseballislife 14.05 Nick Swisher 1B OAK baseballislife 15.12 Matt Murton OF CHC baseballislife 16.05 David Eckstein SS STL baseballislife 17.12 Esteban Loaiza SP OAK baseballislife 18.05 Jeremy Reed OF SEA baseballislife 19.12 Brad Hawpe OF COL baseballislife 20.05 Dave Bush SP MIL baseballislife 21.12 Kiko Calero RP OAK baseballislife 22.05 Bruce Chen SP BAL baseballislife 23.12 Jason Kubel OF MIN baseballislife 24.05 Mark Grudzielanek 2B KAN baseballislife 25.12 Jose Capellan RP MIL baseballislife 313 allhair allstars       Sustainer       ID: 50902421       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 00:19 What fun this is...! I had two RIBC AA teams last year... If memory serves, I believe this team was in first place for a long portion of the season before falling to third place in the late summer... Getting Young/Utley on the turn was a huge coup in my mind, but Young didn't really pan out the way he was supposed to. Otherwise I really love the first 7 picks. Can't believe I took Pedro Feliz in the 10th round... (LOL), but I think this draft was fairly solid (but not without holes) through the 20th. Even my Corey Patterson pick actually worked out! 1.16 Michael Young SS TEX allhair 2.01 Chase Utley 2B PHI allhair 3.16 Grady Sizemore OF CLE allhair 4.01 Carlos Zambrano P CHC allhair 5.16 Jim Thome 1B CWS allhair 6.01 Vernon Wells OF TOR allhair 7.16 John Lackey P LAA allhair 8.01 Cliff Lee P CLE allhair 9.16 Brian Fuentes P COL allhair 10.01 Pedro Feliz 3B SFO allhair 11.16 Austin Kearns OF CIN allhair 12.01 Joe Blanton P OAK allhair 13.16 Geoff Jenkins UTIL MIL allhair 14.01 Ramon Hernandez C BAL allhair 15.16 Ronnie Belliard MI CLE allhair 16.01 Dan Johnson CI OAK allhair 17.16 Dan Wheeler P HOU allhair 18.01 Scott Linebrink P SDG allhair 19.16 Kevin Youkilis UTIL BOS allhair 20.01 Corey Patterson UTIL BAL allhair 21.16 Jae Seo P LAD allhair 22.01 Paul Byrd P CLE allhair 23.16 Neal Cotts P CWS allhair 24.01 Luis Ayala P WAS allhair 25.16 Jason Kubel OF MIN allhair My second team: Fueled in part by Teixeira's disasterous first half, this team settled in pretty low in the standings until it managed to meander itself into another third place finish. I was pretty proud of this team since it started out pretty poorly but made huge jumps through the 2nd half of the season (when huge jumps aren't really supposed to happen). 1.04 Mark Teixeira 1B TEX allhair 2.13 Andruw Jones OF ATL allhair 3.04 Mariano Rivera RP NYY allhair 4.13 Rafael Furcal SS LAD allhair 5.04 John Lackey SP LAA allhair 6.13 Brian Giles OF SDG allhair 7.04 Vernon Wells OF TOR allhair 8.13 Danny Haren P OAK allhair 9.04 Noah Lowry P SFO allhair 10.13 Robinson Cano 2B NYY allhair 11.04 Geoff Jenkins OF MIL allhair 12.13 Orlando Cabrera MI LAA allhair 13.04 Chris Shelton CI DET allhair 14.13 Kevin Millwood P TEX allhair 15.04 Nick Swisher Util OAK allhair 16.13 Brian McCann C ATL allhair 17.04 Jeff Suppan P STL allhair 18.13 Justin Duchscherer P OAK allhair 19.04 David DeJesus OF KAN allhair 20.13 Aaron Hill 3B TOR allhair 21.04 Dan Wheeler P HOU allhair 22.13 Jesse Crain P MIN allhair 23.04 Brandon Inge 3B DET allhair 24.13 Anderson Hernandez Util NYM allhair 25.04 Juan Encarnacion OF STL allhair 314 MBT       ID: 723239       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 11:11 I would like to point out that AA only beat me in the Sally league last year because we had a 3 way tie for ERA. I'm just sayin.... Also, are we doing overall draft recaps and if so where? 315 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 12:00 Recap thread is here. 316 MBT       ID: 723239       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 12:02 Excellent, thanks 317 Toral       ID: 52621719       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 12:03 I will be catching up on my rationales and doing a draft recap but am waiting till next week when my drafts settle down. I am sure you all would like to see my rationales on Mike Timlin, Julian Tavarez and Brendan Donnelly :( 318 allhair allstars       ID: 5614179       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 12:54 MBT, ya whiney baby... If you beat me this year you can talk. Until then nobody wants to hear your crying. ;) 319 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 13:28 I am entering the draft. As noted before, there are several players not in the database. Hermanson, Lindstrom, and Al Reyes included. I'll add any others here as I come across them. For now I am leaving it blank. 320 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 13:33 Species - I assume you know, but you won't be able to release the draft until those guys are filled in. I noticed Guru has come up w/ some placeholders: Keith Foulke Kris Benson Josh Kinney Glendon Rusch Davis Romero Francisco Liriano Not sure how many we've got, but that's a start. 321 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 14:08 Liriano would not work in my office league, someone actually drafted him ;) I noticed Sammy Sosa is inexplicably not listed on Yahoo either. 322 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 14:29 darkside - I entered the draft and it noted that four teams did not have 25 players....I went ahead and finished it anyway. I think they will just have an open spot right now. I was able to view my team (you have to click on tomorrow's date to see your players) and make lineup changes, so I assume it works. 323 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 14:32 Oh, and obviously please check the accuracy of my entries. You may have received Frank Francisco instead of Francisco Rodriguez, or the like. I actually had to flip-flop JD and Stephen Drew after inadvertantly giving one player to the wrong team. I hurried through it and tried to be accurate but I could have erred. Props to Yahoo's interface.....it makes entry a snap with it's ability to auto-finish the player's name. THANK YOU, Yahoo. 324 darkside       Achiever       ID: 3590317       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 14:44 My team looks good. Thanks for all your hard work, Species...you too JeffG (I'm sure glad I didn't have to deal w/ all those rationales.)! 325 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 15:38 My team is perfect too. I like the Yahoo commish tool this year, it took about a third of the time as it did for me to load my other league compared to last season. Still, it is still effort and thanks to Species for stepping up and handling the work. Also thanks for laying out the $10.00 for the draft to Kafenatid.net. Since I am sure he does not want my check for my $0.63 share of that, I made a donation to Guru instead (a slight bit more than $0.63). As our unlisted players become available, we'll send Species a note to use his commissioner function to edit those players waiver date (to yesterday if he can) so we can pick them up without waiting 3 days or losing our waiver priority. If anyone of us fill that unlisted player's opening with a different player, we are waiving our rights to have first dibbs on the unlisted player we drafted. 326 MBT       ID: 62452313       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 16:03 RE: 318, you're just mad because I found your secret stash of BB info and I'm going to use it against you this season ;) My team is accurate and looks even worse now than when I drafted them. 327 JeffG       Leader       ID: 01584348       Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 16:03 I see there is a new method for us to edit our rosters this year. It is all drag-and-drop instead of those drop-down boxes with the positions next to each player. But we have to remember to click on *SUBMIT CHANGES*. I'm sure a few of us will screw it up once or twice this season. Yahoo does give you the option of using the 'Classic Edit Roster' instead of the new one. 328 Cobwebs       Sustainer       ID: 058358241       Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 05:15 I'm going on a vacation, and will be back Saturday 3/31. Sorry, but I'll have to do my recap when I return. 329 loki       SuperDude       ID: 4211201420       Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 13:03 Species-As you know, Sammy Sosa is not yet in the Yahoo data base. However Jorge Sosa was entered on my team. 330 Species       Dude       ID: 07724916       Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 17:31 If you guys get a chance, check out Guru's RIBC consolidated draft summary. It's interesting to see where other guys went during the draft. If you wondered whether or not you "reached", you can find your answer there. It has a "min" pick (i.e. earliest that player was taken) and a "max" pick (being the latest they were taken) along with an average. If you were FIRST to pick compared to the other 4 RIBC drafts, then yeah you have to worry. Conversely, if you snagged someone later than all the rest, you feel good. I'm both guilty of 'reaching' early and grabbing late: Picked before all other RIBC drafts: Scott Rolen Freddy Garcia Anibal Sanchez Pat Neshek Picked after all other RIBC drafts: Ian Kisler Dave Roberts Jim Edmonds Kerry Wood I don't feel too bad about Rolen and Neshek as Rolen would've been gone one pick later as well as Neshek. Can't defend Garcia too much other than me liking his WHIP and hoping the whole "From AL to NL" BS works out. Still, interesting to review. JeffG - you can go ahead and release Jorge Sosa if you'd like and leave the spot open for Sammy. 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