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Game sites:     TSN Baseball     Swirve Baseball     Prog. Sports. Chall.     Sandbox     Yahoo! Baseball 0 Subject: RIBC AAA International Draft Discussion Posted by: mjd - Sustainer [501381415] Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 14:52 Final draft order. 1. Bandos 2. Taxman 3. Fosten 4. wolfer 5. Bash Brothers 6. Aggy 7. Uptown Bombers 8. TD 9. mjd 10. JKaye 11. RoboGuru 12. jumpball 13. Mudge 14. Electroman 15. WG 16. Hubble Everyone's done this before, so I'm not going to bore you with my draft etiquette rant, unless we have a problem. If you are going to be away from a computer for a long time, please be kind enough to let us know here, or preferably, use the queue system on Kafenatid. When using the queue system, please make sure to assign designated picker(s). I suggest the manager before and after you. Remember to make your queue available, when you do use. Also note the "first player only" and "all players" options. As administrator of the draft, I'm automatically a DP. If you want me to be your DP, add me to your list so I'll get the email. Special instructions for your DPs should be left on this thread. ie: "This queue is for round X only" DPs, please check this thread for instructions before making said pick. No instructions, then fire away. It is every managers responsibility to leave instructions for their queue, if needed. I'm leaving the clock off for now, but will turn it on tomorrow at noon. 6 hour clock with a pause between 11PM and 7AM. If/when it becomes your turn, you may pick, but all picks made before noon tomorrow are discretionary and not on the clock. We'll discuss a weekend clock later. I'm leaning towards having a 8 hour clock seeing how long it took to select draft slots. I don't want this draft coming to a grinding halt on the weekends. As commish, it's my job to keep this draft moving, but I'll also gladly help you out with a phone call or an email, as needed. Happy drafting 1 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 15:03 I've been thinking about rationales. I don't have moderator privileges, so it's going to be nearly impossible to do them unless someone in the league has moderator privileges and wants to volunteer their services. As a AAA league, we should be doing them. 2 Taxman ID: 331148278 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 18:53 mjd I have e-mailed dave and requested that he review our managers and select a moderator limited to the time of our draft or request an existing moderator review our moderator thread to adjust accordingly. I agree that as a AAA league we need to "explain" our reasoning for our selections. 3 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 19:44 Great idea and thanks, Tax 4 Taxman ID: 331148278 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 20:11 Do we have any volunteers for the limited moderator engagement. I will volunteer and I assume mjd has (been) volunteered (everyone else just took a step back). Are their other interested volunteers? Of course Dave (Guru) will have last say, as well as provide instructions/limitations etc. Please post here by to morrow 6PM EST with your e-mail address...or e-mail me with a subject line "Moderator" (so that I can pick it out of spam filter). 5 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 20:50 LOL, you assumed correctly. When I volunteered to be a AAA commish, I signed on to do whatever needs to be done. 6 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 23:12 I'm at work tomorrow (without internet) from 6 am to 2:30 pm eastern time. I've set up a three man queue and made mjd, TD and Aggy designated pickers. Feel free to fire away with my pick when it comes up. Thanks. 7 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 23:14 Sure, I will moderate if need be. I am on vacation for the whole draft. 8 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 00:35 I may not get to a computer before 1PM or so to start the clock. Shouldn't matter much, as I've notified the league, via email, that the clock will be turned on and no one has voiced any problems with it. 9 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 14:30 I would suggest that you start a rationales thread soon, if you want one. 10 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:00 RE: Rationales KKB wrote this in the RIBC thread: Quoting Guru: "I usually draft my rationales as I make picks, so that all I need to do when the time comes is copy and paste. I recommend that approach for everyone." I would like to emphatically (and boldly) support this idea. This is my 4th RIBC (hard to believe!) and the only frustrating part is waiting days on end for people to post their rationales. RIBC takes commitment from all involved, so please, PLEASE!, follow Guru's advice so that you can post your rationales in a reasonable timeframe. Besides, it's just much less work that way because you don't spend an hour trying to remember all the reasons you selected the player. Guru replied: It's been a useful discipline for other reasons too. On more than one occasion, I found my rationale to be so uncompelling that I decided to change the pick. So now I almost always draft the rationale before I make the pick. 11 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:19 Bandos, why don't you start a thread since you have the first pick? It will get the ball rolling. 12 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:46 I don't think we should start a rational thread yet. From RIBC thread quoting Guru: Established draft etiquette is that no undrafted player names should be mentioned either here or in the rationale threads, and in the event of an infraction, should be edited out. After two rounds have been completed, a separate draft rationale thread will be started. We will try to keep that thread on a 2 round lag. Therefore, after you make your pick in round 3, please immediately post your round 1 pick rationale, and so forth. I usually draft my rationales as I make picks, so that all I need to do when the time comes is copy and paste. I recommend that approach for everyone. I think we should all consider drafting our rationals as we make our picks, but not posting them until after the 2 round lag. We still need someone with moderator priviledges or this won't work. 13 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:58 I didn't see that, so disregard my suggestion. 14 wolfer ID: 029314 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 19:42 Re 12 Ge I was going to say something like that 15 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:29 Electro, too late to call Papa Bear to let him know he's up? I really hoped we'd have no time outs, at least in the first couple of rounds. 16 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:36 Is the clock on or off over the weekend? I ask because I will likely not be able to get online from about 11-ish on Friday night until dinnertime on Sunday. With that said, I'm going to ask my buddy to keep his eye on our league and will give him the ability to draft a player. jb 17 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:45 Good question, jb. At this pace we won't finish in time. No worry though, at this point, it's early. I am seriously considering a 8 hour clock on the weekends, to start. I'd like to see us do 1 round per day and 1 round per weekend. 18 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 21:59 I'm in favor of keeping the clock running on the weekends, even at a slower rate. Obviously the draft is going to slow down on the weekends, but I think no clock would be real frustrating. No one will ever know when their pick might be coming up. Especially since we are so early here, I think the clock would be useful. Let's make some good progress before we start being lenient with the time management. 19 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:18 My thinking exactly, Uptown. After how long it took to choose draft positions. In the mean time, if Hubble does not pick before the clock stops tonight, I will stop the clock, to wait for him. If we can't give a guy a break right after his wife has a baby, when can we? He might be a little busy and I'm inclined to give him some time to get up to speed. If he needs a phone call or whatever, we'll do what it takes to help him out. Electro, give him a shout when you think it's a good time. 20 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:20 please 21 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:24 Will be watching the Sox and the Jays in Fort Myers tomorrow. Gone from 9am to 6pm mostl likely. I have left a Q. Please do not draft 2 players that play the same position. THX. 22 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:35 Enjoy, you're covered. 23 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 23:29 I'm a little confused as to why the draft is stopped. I totally agree with the reasoning in giving Hubble some leeway, but he wasn't due to time out until well into the morning, no? Wasn't the clock just going to be paused overnight? Why not let the pause do its thing and the clock run its course and see if he picked in his allotted time? If he timed out in the morning and we wanted to stop the draft, I would understand and agree. But why the preemptive stop way before he actually times out? 24 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 23:53 I'm out of pocket until about 11AM and I don't want a league member whose wife just had a baby recently to lose his first two picks. I think it's a rolling clock and he will time out before I can stop the clock. 25 Hubble ID: 23233218 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 01:59 its 2 am... trying to put baby asleep.... typing with ;eft hand! :) wasnt online all day... if its all right with u guys, ill pick in the morning, and ill be good to work with Q from now on... hopefully,,, picking spot 16 was good idea! thanks all for patience... 26 Hubble ID: 23233218 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 02:17 ok if some1 can pick for me Beurk-man and Jeter 1.16 Lance Berkman 1B Hou 2.01 Derrek Jeter SS NYY thanks 27 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 07:29 MJD - As opposed to STOPing the draft, going to no time limit is more friendly as it would have allowed Hubble to pick and the rest of us to access the draft at least. This same thing just happened in another draft and we figured that out. Bandos 28 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 08:51 I goofed, should have just stopped the clock. I was half asleep last night dealing with this. My apologies. 29 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 11:31 have a 4 player queue with jkaye and TD as DP. I'll make it available before I leave at about noon, returning by 2. 30 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 11:33 5 player Q 31 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 16:45 Post rationales here 32 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:15 I will be aorund to make my picks. I think, i mean, if it finally gets to me tonight. 33 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 18:26 I hope so, I'd like to see us turn the corner and make some serious progress today. 34 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 22:07 Around the corner we go. 35 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 22:08 Remember to post your rationales! 36 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 22:14 Clock pause will be changed to mirror the RIBC. New pause: 1AM to 7AM ET. Starting tomorrow. Weekend pause will be the same hours with an extended 8 hour clock. 37 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 23:23 I'll check in at 5:30 am and see if my pick is up. Otherwise my queue it set up and available for designated pickers. 38 Bash Brothers ID: 37245221 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 00:56 Depending on Fosten's next pick (3.04), I may want to trade down my third round pick at 3.05. In return I'd like to get his 6th round pick. If anyone's interested please let me know here. Late 3rd round pick is preferred. mjd- please let me know if this is OK. 39 Bash Brothers ID: 37245221 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 01:03 Depending on Wolfer's next pick I mean. 40 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 01:03 Whatever you can barter is cool with me. Let me know, I'll make it happen. I'll be back on line at about 10AM ET. 41 Bash Brothers ID: 23552247 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 01:04 Of course, I'll use the following tool: http://www.kffl.com/draftanalyzer/index.php to calculate the balance of the trade. Thanks. 42 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 07:09 MJD - should we start inserting placeholders into the rationale thread to keep it up to date? BTW: Guru granted me mod privileges for the draft. 43 wolfer ID: 24148211 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:01 I will make my pick shortly. 44 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:05 It seems no one is interested in my pick. So I'll pick mine shortly. 45 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:37 The rationale thread is open.. Maybe mjd could e-mail the league for managers to post rationals with each current pick made for the pick made two rounds earlier in the draft. That would eliminate the need for placeholders. 46 Mudge ID: 401472512 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:49 Why is the draft paused? 47 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 12:48 Please post your 1st round rationales or a placeholder with your 3rd round pick. I'm not sure why the draft is paused. I didn't pause it. Another draft I'm running is paused also and should not be. 48 Hubble ID: 23233218 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 13:02 small Q... MJD, Bandos and Electroman are DP... 50 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:36 Waiting to hear back from Fred on why we're paused, but in the mean time, let's keep up the good work. I was the slow guy this morning, I'll be more diligent about leaving a queue, from now on. Just edited my first rationale (TD's). Can't figure out how to get a space between the player's name and the rationale itself. I'll have to play with it some more. 53 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:04 Even though the clock is stopped, anyone exceeding the time limit will be manually skipped. 54 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 15:39 I'm stepping out for a bit. I'll be back by 7. 55 Electroman ID: 181372119 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 18:36 I'm out for a bit also. Hope somebody will be around to check on Hubble's Q. Will check in if I get the chance. 56 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 19:14 Mudge you can put 1.13 in the rationales thread now 57 Bash Brothers ID: 37245221 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 19:40 Can somebody tell me how to edit the rationale? 58 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 19:55 BB, you need moderator privileges to do it. Post it here and someone will move it. 59 Hubble ID: 23233218 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 20:28 I'd be willing to exchange my 4.01 pick if anyone interested, email me... i'll wait 1 hour... then i'll pick 60 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 21:01 trade offered to Hubble 61 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 21:03 As I mentioned earlier, I'm out this weekend. I'll catch up on the 2 rationales that I owe when I return. 62 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 21:24 Despite what the site says, we will run an 8 hour clock this weekend. Please set a Q. 63 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 22:39 no worries mjd -- my buddy Brian will be checking in and drafting for me if needed. 65 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 00:56 I'm out for now and (hopefully) back up by 10 or so tomorrow. Need my beauty sleep. There's a potential trade between Hubble and jb that's pending.....we'll see in the AM. 66 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 01:04 ok i pick... forget the trade... maybe next time, thanks for offer Jumpball 67 wazaaap_guy ID: 4411563023 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 10:38 put skipped rationales in here, right? 68 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 10:41 Yes, and then I get to attempt to edit them in for you. I like new challenges. 70 wolfer ID: 029314 Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 18:59 I will try to catch up with my rationales tomorrow morning. I am stepping out and will not have time to tonight. 72 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 00:57 Nice pace on a weekend with no clock. Please don't forget those placeholders. I'm enjoying the rationales. 73 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 01:32 I might want to trade down my round 5 pick (5.05) in exchange for round 6 (and possibly round 10, depend on the position of trade partner) pick(s). Anyone interested? 74 Mudge ID: 401472512 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 07:56 Bandos. I'm going to be away for a day and a half (Sunday noon to Monday evening), but I think I'll have access to the internet. If not, I've left a lengthy queue (with free-form), and I've made you my dp. I'm looking for one starting pitcher at least. If it gets around to me again, I'll take the best hitter available. Thanks. 75 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 09:20 Got ya covered, mudge. 76 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 10:17 Bandos, since you are around, please pick for me. I've got to leave now. Thanks. 78 Electroman ID: 181372119 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 12:58 Bandos, are you around to make BB's pick? 79 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 15:15 I'm around now. Was out for a while and missed BB's email/post. Looks like someone covered it. 80 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 15:39 I'm lurking about, and did a little housecleaning. Moved some rationales, wrote mine, made BB's pick, and started moving players on to the Yahoo site. 81 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 21:23 Hittin the sack - if mudge's pick comes up, i'll pick in the morning, early. Unless, you don't want me to mudge. let me know, if I hear nothing, I'll pick. 82 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 23:03 6 picks in 24 (or 23 thanks to daylight savings) makes me a sad panda. :( Nice value on the Giambi pick, mjd. I chose between Delgado and him for my 4th rounder. I almost went ahead and picked in the 5th, but decided it was finally time to start putting together a pitching staff. 83 mjd ID: 62521118 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 00:55 I love the way these deep RIBC drafts pan out. You better have a plan that is very flexible and fluid. I needed the power bat, check my rationale for Giambi at 5.09. I wrote it right after I made the pick. I almost went after pitching. Very tempting. 85 Electroman ID: 181372119 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 08:06 I guess the Kafenatid clock is still on standard time, the clock started at 8 AM. BTW, I am around most of the time, if people need a DP, I can be of assistance. 86 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 08:39 Mudge's Q is empty. 87 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 08:43 But he is around :) 88 Hubble ID: 23233218 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 09:20 Just so y'all know, i left a Q so it can turn around fast... i might not be here to pick. 89 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 09:42 BTW: When we put in placeholders, please change YOUR name to" FOR teamX". that way, we all know who made the pick and wrote the rationale. Thanks! 90 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 10:25 From now till the end of the draft, I will try to leave a Q if I will be gone for a few hours. MJD and Uptown Bombers are my DPs. Take the top player on my Q unless I leave other instuctions. 92 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:04 I am behind on draft rationals. Been a long weekend between rehab for wife and work. the following will get me somewhat caught up. 96 mjd ID: 62521118 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:45 Thanks, Tax, we appreciate your effort and understand your present situation. Also, thanks to whoever is helping out with the editing of rationales, Bandos?, I'm assuming. Once you move them to the rationale thread, please feel free to delete them from the discussion thread. 97 Mudge ID: 401472512 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 15:07 I was able to get in this morning and make my pick in round 5. Thanks to whomever picked Zimmerman in round 6 for me. I'm back home now, so I can do whatever needs to be done to help out. 102 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 17:43 Yeah, its a vacationing Bando who is playing with the moderator function. Mudge, nice pick with Zimmerman. 103 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 18:02 Slow going today, guys. We did better on Saturday. Hopefully folks will check in this evening or leave a Q and we can make it back to the top and around the turn, today. 104 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 18:19 My apologies for delaying the draft today -- some of us actually have to work when we're at work! ;-) Soon it'll be easier to leave queues that don't get depleted so quickly. 105 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 19:29 how is everyone getting the bold font for their rationales? im a bit of a forum newbie and it appears im one of the few that isnt using the bold. 106 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 19:34 [b] your text [/b] but replace [ & ] with < & > for bold TD's queue is empty or unavailable just so everyone knows. I'm here for the rest of the night, and will pick promptly once TD returns. 107 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 19:36 thanks bombers...ill use that for the rest of my posts 108 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 20:28 I will be picking shortly. My queue emptied out with MJD's pick of Cano who was at the top of my queue all day. 109 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:20 Cano had been in my Q since the last round. Couldn't let him pass again. 110 wolfer ID: 182501218 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 22:46 If it does get to me, I will try to mak my pick by no later than 8AM CDT. 111 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 22:51 can't leave a 2 man Q? 112 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 00:17 Daily Update Pretty weak for AAA. Today, I'm very disappointed. We must do a better job with leaving queues and checking in or we're not going to make opening day. 113 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 00:33 We had some pretty quick clusters of picks at times, but just got derailed here and there. I wonder if the top of the draft is around so that if wolfer could have left at least that two man queue they couldn't have made the turn back to him for the AM. Oh well, hopefully we will all hit our stride over the next few. 114 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 01:08 i know fosten is available if wolfer would make a pick 115 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 01:09 That's the frustrating part. I know we can and will get it done. Everyone just needs to focus, communicate, and cooperate. I was just hoping at AAA, it would not be so painfully slow, at times. It's nice when a draft has some ebbs and flows, but grinding stops for hours at a time with no communication sucks. 117 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:21 We are still hamstrung because people are not using the queue feature. Certainly, when it gets to within 1 player, we ought to be able leave a a two player queue. I am leaving a two player que, but we be able to ck back in within 1 hour since I am in a turn around draft slot. 118 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:29 If we don't get thru round 7 today, I think we should shorten the clock. 119 Mudge ID: 13223138 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:39 I'm with TD. 120 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:47 I'm ready to shorten the clock and keep it running through the weekend. Anyone with an outstanding time out would be skipped if it became their turn again. Force managers to use the Q system. 121 Electroman ID: 181372119 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:47 I was going to make that suggestion too. 122 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:49 I'll be back at 2PM. No need for me to leave a queue. 123 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 12:14 I am around to turn the corner. Once it gets to me, i'll draft my rationales and then pick. 124 Electroman ID: 181372119 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:19 I wrote in 85 that I am around most of the time to be a DP, disregard it. I am going back to work tommorow, and will not have access to the computer most of the day. No need to worry, I will leave Q's(hint, hint). 125 wolfer ID: 24148211 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 13:34 I am also around to be a DP for the record. 126 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:13 Well, I am a DP for Taxman and his Q is unavailable/empty. Prolly making his pick. 127 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 14:17 Making my pick...turned the queue off because I stuck more players in...and my next pick depends on Bandos' picks. Glad Fosten showed..hopes he stays around for a quick turn around. 129 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 15:35 Hmmm. same thing occurred last night. kafenatid stopped loading for me. sorry for the delay. I will drop fred a note. I saw Bandos' two draft rationale posted on the rationale thread, so I knew he had picked, but it was 15 minutes before I could get back in. Now it appears that Fosten is gone again. Anyone have contact info for him. Maybe we can help build him a draft/queue bridge via phone or ??? 131 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 16:48 Heading out until around 9pm. Left a Q for pick 7.08. Do not use my Q for pick 8.09 if we somehow get that far before I get back. 132 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 17:02 If Bash Brothers makes us wait for 3 hours, one more time, their time will be cut to 2 hours for the remainder of this draft. By my count, it's already happened 3 times. Use the Q or get skipped. I'm losing patience with the same few managers, every round. 133 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 17:47 mjd -- i feel your pain . . . however . . . I was one of the pain inducing managers yesterday when I had to leave at 11:30 for an all afternoon team session at work. At that time, there were 5 picks in front of me -- and about 5 1/2 hours before I'd see a computer again. It was too much work to leave a 6 man queue at that point. (It will be easier to do that later.) When I finally got back, I noticed that those 5 picks were made in the span of one hour -- one of our spurts. My point is that even if we all try harder to leave a queue and be available as much as possible, there will be times when it's asking too much to do that (and we also have to be patient with "Daddy" too!). Although this will likely hurt me more than other managers (I have a lot of sites blocked at work, including RotoGuru -- luckily they haven't gotten to kafenatid yet), I propose that we shrink the clock to 5 hours (and reserve the right to change it to 4 if that doesn't speed us up) and shrink the nightly pause to 6 hours. Also, please don't shrink the clock for one particular manager -- that's not within the spirit of the community to which we all belong. 134 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:13 The rationale for Dice-K says that they are in Asia, so the time difference is what the issue is. I'm not sure I agree with penalizing only one manager eitherm especially one that hasn't officially timed out yet. That being said, asking people who will be away for a few hours to leave a queue or a message seems proper. In the case of Rotoguru being blocked, an email could have been sent to the commish just so everyone knew what was going on and not waiting around. And on that note, I am going to be leaving in the half hour or so. If my pick doesn't come up by then, my queue will be available. 135 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:46 I specifically asked for full disclosure on any issues that needed to be addressed during this draft and that it was absolutely imperative to communicate any problems within the group. I promised to do everything in my power to help out with any issue. Hubble's wife had a baby, we cut him some slack. If BB is on the other side of the world, they need to let us know when they will be available to pick and leave a Q when they can't. Anything less than 10 picks is not too much to ask for a queue, IMO, especially after about the third round. If you are properly prepped and know ahead of time that your schedule will be dicey, you need to use the queue. The precedent of shortening one's clock or at least the threat of that has already been set by Guru himself in the 2007 RIBC draft thread header: "Although the clock will be set at 6 hours, we cannot make satisfactory progress if many managers use much of that allowance. We need to average a little more than one round per day, so please do your best to keep up the pace. If we fall behind, managers who are chronically slow may be put on an shorter clock." We are not averaging a little more than one round per day and we are falling more behind every day we don't make this minimum, Disturbing patterns are showing up early in this draft As far as the spirit of this community: during these slow drafts there have always been certain rules of draft etiquette that need to be observed. The current level of rudeness by some members of this league are rapidly becoming intolerant. 136 Mudge ID: 13223138 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:49 I for one would prefer to get the draft over with before the season begins. 137 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 18:55 Not going to happen at this pace 138 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 19:04 FYI -- I'm here all night AND have a 4 player queue in place. 139 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 19:37 I sent an email to BB asking that they visit us here to discuss their time situation and how we can help them out before resorting to clock penalties. Or I'll discuss it via email, if they prefer. 140 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 20:58 another 2 1/2 hour gap . . . zzzzzzzzzz 141 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 21:50 At 3:00PM jeffaggy made a pick in another kafenatid draft. At that time his current pick was three picks away. That is only a 4 player queue, not a 10 player queue. I see mjd's point and favor corrective action now, not days from now. If feelings get huer within the community, so-be-it. The commish has job to do. We either help him, get out of the way or let him assign players in lieu of a draft. 142 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:04 I'm back by the way. Will be up for a little while longer. Will turn the queue back on if I hit the sack. 143 Electroman ID: 181372119 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:04 Is there a point on the weekend that maybe would be good for everybody to be around for a hour? Maybe pound out a couple of rounds? Maybe a pipe dream. 144 wolfer ID: 182501218 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:10 Just out of curiousity, what was the other league that you were talking about Taxman? 145 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:11 From the Eastern League Chat thread: 218: so do we have to wait another four hours for someone who timed out already? 219: Right now yes, but at this pace, some people are going to get their clocks cut down by the end of the day tomorrow. I didn't know this before tonight, but it seems that there is precedent for shortening clocks for individual managers. I'm still in favor of shortening our pick time to 5:00 and our pause to 6:00 first. (Note that the Eastern league is using a 4 hour pick time.) 146 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:22 Here's what I'm proposing. When I get up tomorrow, I'm halving the clock to 3 hours. For most of us, this will not be an issue, as most are picking within an hour or less. For those few who are letting the majority of us down, it will be. Once people start timing out, I'll go ahead and either shorten their clock or skip their turn. I don't want to be tyrannical, but we must quicken the pace. This draft will finish on time. And anyone who fails to accept my invite to join us here to communicate a problem, will have to eventually deal with severe sanctions. This draft will finish on time. BB and jeffaggy, what's the deal? 147 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:25 Every one of these drafts I have been involved in, there have been 1 or 2 managers slowing things down. I am in favor of shortening the clocks for the offending managers. 148 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:34 Alright, thats it for me tonight. I've turned my queue on. Please only use my queue for the 7th round. 149 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:36 I'll try my best with 3, although it seems very short when I consider my meeting schedule at work. 150 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:39 Use my queue for round 7 only tonight. 151 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:44 jb, I thought you said it will be easier to compile a Q now. 152 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 22:54 Yes, it is getting easier, but at this point in the draft, my pick that's 7 positions down the road is still somewhat dependent on the 6 picks in front of me. In a few more rounds, that dependency won't be as important. You do whatever you think you need to do as commish and I'll manage within those constraints. My posts should only be considered as suggestions based on what works for me -- you've got all 16 of us to handle! :-) -jb 153 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:06 I'm selecting from TD's queue . . . 154 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:06 Will 4 hours help? Eventually it must go down or we'll never make it. It might even get to 2 hours or less. This draft will finish on time. 155 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 00:23 i think 4 hours is fine...though honestly...we havent really eclipsed that too many times have we...it may b a little extra incentive so its worth a try...this is getting really frustrating... 156 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 00:58 It shouldn't get any shorter than this, but I want to take steps to be able to shorten it again, if necessary. 157 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 01:00 is the clock not pausing for the night? 158 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 01:31 Thought I changed it from 12AM to 6AM ET. Thanks for the reminder. If jkaye times out, oh well, he stopped the draft, missed my rant, and did not leave a Q. 159 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 01:36 its paused now...just wanted to make sure i wasnt gonna time out just b4 waking up since i was assuming he wasnt picking tonight...i will b up at 7:30 EST to make a pick if hes gotten it to me... 160 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 02:06 Good to go. If jkye would have checked in between 4PM and now (a 10 hour span), he surely would have known to leave a Q. 161 Bash Brothers ID: 37245221 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 03:49 Our apology for the delay yesterday. Not trying to argue here but just so you guys know we're in Asia and there's a 12 hr difference. When we're up last time it was 4 a.m. here. My brother waited till 1 a.m. and we were still 5 picks away, so he went to bed. Anyway we knew this is the price to pay for playing fantasy baseball in Asia so there's no complain. We'll try harder or maybe get up every 2 hours if there's a chance we'll have to pick at the odd hours. The guys in front of us pick quick so sometimes it's hard to leave a queue with long lists. Then again we'll also try our best to do that. And finally, we're fine if the clock is shortened. Like I said I'm here to apologize, not to argue. 162 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 06:02 I left a Q for round 7. MJD, Hubble and WG are DP's. I will be checking in with my wife for round 8. 165 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 08:43 Wow. Almost 2 days since I made my last pick.... 166 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:06 Worst part is how much I second-guess my queue. 167 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:11 imagine if u were me...ive been sitting around second guessing my next choice for 10 hours now... 168 Aggy's Miracles ID: 54632208 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 09:23 To be honest, I'm a little irritated about you guys giving me a hard time. For the last 5-6 rounds, I have been picking within an hour max. As I mentioned at the beginning of the draft, my wife is due this week and has a broken ankle (I'm obviously spread very thin right now.) Ironically, my access during the work day is frequent, when I get home after 7pm, sometimes I can't access the internet until I take care of her and the house, please try to be a little sympathetic with me as your are with Taxman's situation. As mentioned earlier, can we pick a time on the weekend to bang 2-3 rounds in an hour with everyone around? 170 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:36 I have avoided getting involved so far as the frustration is always taken out of context. In a draft a few years back, I expressed frustration at the latest 5 hour delay and the specific manager who happened to have been the culprit took great offense, citing, as aggy did, his previous track record of picking in a timely manner. so: Aggy: It is NOT YOU that the frustration is directed at. The frustration has been building. You happened to be the latest to take over 4 hours to pick. That is all. I, for one, was unaware of your situation and I do have sympathy. As I have sympathy for our friends in the far east, and Hubble, and Tax. Here is my take after a dozen of these drafts: 1. The clock is meant to allow for emergencies (I had to rush out of the house yesterday cuz both my kids had ear infections and was gone for a few hours without being able to post or turn my Q on - they're fine BTW).It happens. 2. Courtesy is VERY important. If you anticipate delaying the draft by more than an hour or so, please just post so people can plan accordingly. Post, "have to go out for three hours, I'm X picks away" and either" Q left and on with instructions" or "really can not leave a Q at this time." At least the rest of the league will know to stop checking. a.People get frustrated when they have no idea why the draft is being delayed. b. I , and maybe others, get angry when no explanation is given. You don't need tell us your private details, a simple "sorry, unavoidable, won't happen again." It really annoys me when I wait 5 hours, the pick is made, no rationale or explanation posted. I feel like you don't care. AND this community is based on cooperation and courtesy - act accordingly. 3. If there is a long delay, the next in line MUST leave a Q. There is almost NO CASE where a 2-3 man Q can not be left. There are always a few managers who simply refuse to use the Q feature and I have no idea why. I have completed two OTC drafts this year. Granted they were 12 team leagues, but one took just over a week and the other took just under 2 weeks. I made about a half dozen picks personally. If there is something about the Q you do not like, lets discuss it and figure it out. PLEASE. 4. We will finish, we always do. We are less than 2 rounds behind the RIBC. The Q making will get easier as we go on as we will need different things. 5. Remember, 5 picks can take 5 minutes, plan accordingly. So, as I sit on vacation slurping down Pale Ales by the pool, remember that I am around a lot and happy to be a DP for anyone. Peace :) 171 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:46 Bandos, Nice week for a vacation if you are a college hoops fan. Sometimes I take off Thursday or Friday to watch the 1st round games, but I am too busy at work this year. 172 jumpball ID: 45244516 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 11:18 My apologies for the 2 hour delay -- there was a queue available. I guess mjd wasn't around to pick for me. 173 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 11:54 Yeah, it is a nice week. Also nice to have the previous week AND the next week too! Great for drafting and tourney brackets. 174 Hubble ID: 23233218 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:07 i left a Q... im out for the day ... until at least midnight... will check when im back (even though i highly doubt its gonna be my pick then. 175 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:16 That's good info Hubble - have a great day. Now we now that WG will be up again after he makes his pick (I am a DP and obviously lurking), which puts electro and mudge on watch. 176 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 12:26 JK - I pasted your last two rationales into a file if you hadn't saved them. Remember, we want a 2 round lag (though you didnt mention any other players which is the main reason for the lag) So you can either post them or a placeholder when they come up. MJD - Time for a round 6-10 rationale thread, methinks. 177 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:01 Puting the kids down for a nap if someone else is a DP for Hubble, go ahead. 178 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:07 Don't need to worry about me. I've got a queue a mile long, and I'm around all day anyhow. If I'm going to gone for more than an hour I'll let you know. Meanwhile.... 179 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:12 It's 1 am here. We've got to have some sleep. We tried our best to leave an 8-man queue with 13 picks to go. Sorry for not able to have a longer list. But we also have to check which players you guys draft in this round. Shall be back by 7am.....well, I mean 7pm your time. Thanks for the patience and whoever picks for us. 180 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:34 Post #161 Up until yesterday, I didn't know you guys were in Asia. This Q system would work great for you. 5 picks away, leave a 6 man queue and get some sleep. Post #168 First that I'm hearing your problems and I'm very sympathetic. Please just let us know what's going on. Please try and leave a Q if you can or let us know when you might be back. Bandos, thanks for that detailed explanation. I encourage all managers to read post #170. That says it all. FYI, when leaving me as a DP. I live in the ET zone, but my normal schedule is PT or later for the purpose of my business. Most days you'll be lucky to see me before noon ET. I'll get that new Rationale thread up in a few. 181 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 13:54 I usually check the draft around 8am each morning if you want to use me as a DP. A little later on weekends. 182 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:56 I'm going out for an hour walk (Bandos: it's 71 degrees and sunny here--what a change from a week ago). I'll be back in plenty of time to pick. 183 wazaaap_guy ID: 6830712 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 14:57 Sorry guys Had to pull an allnighter working on my 15 page appellate brief that was due this morning, so didnt have time to leave queues or even think about fantasy baseball. I'm usually always online, so I won't delay for this long anymore. 184 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:11 Just got in, and it is my turn to pick. Give me a few minutes. 187 For Electroman Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 15:34 Wow 71 huh, and then back to freezing rain tomorrow, I see. Hey mudge, post your 6.04 ratinale when you get the chance. 188 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:20 I'll be away from 5 to 8PM. I've set a Q. 190 Electroman ID: 181372119 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:31 Wow, people are speaking for me in this forum:) 192 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:34 Sorry electroman :) If I really wanted to speak for yoiu I would have said "GO SOX!" 193 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:36 bold like this (b)kjahgdsfkjahsd(/b) but replace () with <> 194 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 16:41 Created a Q for my round 8 pick only. I will be checking in from time to time tonight, and will create a round 9 Q after my round 8 selection. 195 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 17:21 like this? 196 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 18:51 for those that haven't noticed, the rationales thread has shifted for rounds 6-10... New Rationales Thread 197 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 19:40 I'm gone until tomorrow (Thursday) mid-morning. I've left a queue, but since I'm 23 picks away, I doubt it will have anyone in it (nor will it likely be necessary). 198 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 20:03 I'm out for 2-3 hours. I've left a 7 man queue -- 22 players is just too much for me to put in there. Hope it gets back to me tonight! 199 wolfer ID: 182501218 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:15 Is the brothers queue empty? I will be around for the next hour or two while I am filling out my brackets. 200 wolfer ID: 182501218 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:16 After that I will be leaving a queue. 201 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:25 Cool. Fosten/Tax. Are you guys around/left Q's? If so, we can get it right back to the BB. 202 Bash Brothers ID: 23552247 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:35 We just picked. I think that's a huge relief for everybody. We might need 1+ hr to ponder on our next pick. So please don't draft so fast, you top 4 guys. 203 wolfer ID: 182501218 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:38 Don't worry. I won't check back for at least another hour. 204 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:02 Let's try to get caught up on those rationales, gang. I'm enjoying them. Fosten, you haven't posted one yet. Everything OK? 205 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:15 Boy, Guru was right. It is really good to write the rationale before picking. I did change my mind after writing mine this round. 206 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:19 Also nice to pick in back to back days for the first time all draft. Nice work gentlemen. 207 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 22:31 Now THAT's how to turn a corner (fist pump)!!! 209 wolfer ID: 182501218 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:14 Q left. Will catch of rationales later. 210 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 23:47 Q left for round 9 pick only. 211 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:28 Uptown or TD -- either of you interested in switching picks with me this round and next? 212 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:30 sorry jump, I just picked and TD's pick came from a queue. I think mjd just beat me to it, since I never saw the confirmation page come up. 213 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:38 mjd, You're creating duplicate placeholders in the rationale thread. I got to it first and placed mine. 214 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:40 is jkaye around...or should i just go to sleep? 215 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:53 213 I'll fix it later 214 Not sure, can you leave a 2 player Q, just in case? or check in early tomorrow. 217 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:01 213 fixed sorry about that 218 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:04 ill b around for a little bit longer tonight...and ill check in around 7:30 219 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:06 no prob mjd. I was just trying to catch your attention and save you the extra work. 220 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:19 No need to rest on our laurels. We need to move through the bottom of the draft early tomorrow. Well done. We're within spitting distance now. 221 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:34 i made 3 picks today...i think i need to go clean myself up...maybe smoke a cigarette... 222 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:39 can anyone see mudge's queue? 223 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:52 Via a new commsh tool on Kafenatid, I can see who has players in a queue or if the queue is empty or not. I cannot see a name until it is that manager's pick. Very cool. Mudges queue is empty and not available. If you're within a few picks from now either leave a short queue or check in tomorrow AM. I expect to check in by noon, I have a 1 hour meeting at 1PM, then I'm pretty clear the rest of the day. 224 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 01:57 his last message was from 7:40 said that will b checking in mid-morning...for his sake i hope that is before he times out at 10AM...i can understand how he would assume that it would never make it back to him so quickly... 225 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 02:18 Just drafted a 12 player queue. Bet it lasts at least 2 rounds. If we get to me before noon, fire away. 226 Electroman ID: 181372119 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 06:14 Good morning all. I left a 7 player Q. Here are my instructions. There are 2 position players, take one for pick 9.14. For pick 10.03, take a pitcher. Thanks. 227 Mudge ID: 13223138 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 07:53 Idiot me. I left my queue unavailable. Not to worry. As it turns out, it would have been empty anyway, my last guy having been Verlander! Kudos to everyone--great progress last night. 228 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 08:31 Robo: RE 221: Now that's funny. 230 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 10:56 Right back to you WG. Thanks to Hubble for leaving a Q. 231 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:27 Who has electro's Q? 232 Mudge ID: 13223138 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:28 ^^Not I 234 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:48 MJD will be back at noon to pick for electroman. Obviously, Mudge is around so JB and robo will be up soon thereafter. 236 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:04 Mudge, you can post it now. I'll be out for the next few hours, be back by 3 prolly. I have left a Q and it is on. 237 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:11 made a couple of picks, now I'm out until 2PM. Q is available. 238 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:52 is there anyway to remove a pick once its been made? 239 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 12:57 Q is available for Round 10 if I am not around. 240 Uptown @ work ID: 31392010 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 13:29 Man, that Corey Patterson pick really hurt me mjd. 241 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:08 been in my Q for 2 rounds 242 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:48 At least you know that you snagged Young from me Uptown :( rrrrgggghhh! I am once again having trouble getting into Kafenatid. Please do NOT pick for me as I am back and would like to change my Q. THX. 243 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 14:56 its not just u...i cant get in either 244 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:22 Back in to kafenatid. Nice progress folks. 245 Uptown @work ID: 5283718 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:48 About to leave work and will be without access until 5 pm ET. I'll be able to pick at that point if it gets to me. I am without my sheets and my queue has been near depleted (thanks everyone) so I don't feel ready to leave a queue. I hope its not a problem. Again, it will only be a little over an hour or so from now. 246 Electroman ID: 181372119 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 15:51 I am not upset, but when someone posts instructions for their Q, it would be nice it they were followed. 247 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:12 Electro - yes it would be nice and should have been followed. MJD can tell you who made the pick, and assuming you set it to show your entire Q and not the top pick only, we can remind them to check for instructions BEFORE making a pick. It just takes a second to do it as I did before picking for Hubble today. Sorry. 248 Mudge ID: 13223138 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:12 I will be out for the rest of the evening. Back I'm guessing at about 9 pm. I have left a queue and I even made it available this time. 249 Electroman ID: 181372119 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:25 I know who made the pick. Like I said, I am not upset. If I was their, I would maybe have made the same pick. The reminders to put Q's seemed to work, and I just wanted to remind people to look at instructions so it doesn't happen to someone else. Also, people are busy with their own drafts, busy lives and other things, so it can happen. 250 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:32 My fault Electro, I should have looked first I'll change the pick if they have not been picked yet. Or someone else instead? 251 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:40 I'll pick, then get the rationale thread up to date as I have drafted my rationales. 252 Electroman ID: 181372119 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:50 No, too many picks have gone by. It is fine. 254 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 16:55 I'm very sorry. I have been checking, but got distracted. That's no excuse, it won't happen again. 255 Electroman ID: 181372119 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 17:00 Don't worry about it:) 257 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 18:09 Created a Q for round 11 only. Will be back around 10pm. 258 wolfer ID: 182501218 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 18:37 I too will be out and I left the dreaded 2 player Q. 259 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 18:48 Make that a trifecta of people leaving. (NCAA tourney anyone) My queue is available. 260 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 19:41 Well, BB are around at this time of day (I think) and if aggy left a Q, it could easily get to JK within 30 minutes of Fosten making his pick. I am available to be a DP all night, just watching and praying that VCU can pull the upset. 261 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 22:39 Great to see VCU get the win. Even though I picked Duke in my brackets, I was rooting for VCU. I root for all CAA teams when they are not playing my alma mater the Drexel Dragons. 264 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 23:19 If my round 12 pick comes up overnight use my Q if there is anyone left on it. Otherwise I will check in at 8AM tomorrow and make my pick then if it is my turn. 266 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 00:30 TD, I used to love all those Big 5 double and triple headers at the Palestra. 267 Electroman ID: 181372119 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 06:02 Left a Q, and added Bandos as a DP since he is around. 268 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 06:11 Left a queue. My availability is questionable today. Might be able to check around 2:30pm. If not, then I wouldn't be back until closer to 8pm. There are about 15 names in my list. If you don't hear from me around 2:30-3pm, feel free to use the queue for 2 rounds, assuming there is someone left in it. No more than one player at the same offensive position please. 269 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:20 New daddy's Q is unavailable/empty. How bout them Rams. Really good to see the ML come in. Too Bad Marquette took the first 10 minutes off. If they had played a full 40...and Indiana won which surprised me. They were good at home, but awful on th road. Well, 14/16 on day ne isnt bad, just means i take a bloodbath today. 271 Hubble ID: 23233218 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:27 i just woke up... will pick up shortly... 272 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:40 Maybe I should consider to trade my draft position with others. It seems that I always draft at late night hours. I know how well Q works for everybody. But the funnist part of the game is DRAFTING a player you want and see how everyone else does, not just let others push the button for you....Well, I am exhausted for sitting up late for so many nights.....Forgive me, I am gonna leave a 7-man Q, just go away, and have a good night's sleep.... 273 Mudge ID: 13223138 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 10:31 All right. I'm pretty much snowed in here (well, not really, but we're supposed to collect 8-12 inches overnight). This is when my power usually goes out. Bandos, if we do lose power up here, can you pick for me if I leave free-form available? If so, I'll post instructions. 274 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 10:33 mjd Matt I sent you an e-mail requesting phone help with draft for next two days. Must leave town for a funeral, and hope I can get someone to tell me who has been drafted so that I can make an informed pick. 275 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:49 71 to snow?? Weird. We just checked it out - looks like it will be fine when we travel. I can easily take Q's for you all day and I will be up very late tonight. You can post or email instructions. 276 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:50 You guys want a clock this weekend? At this pace, our projected finish time is noon on 3/28. I'm leaning towards a 6 hour clock, but could easily be persuaded to do something different. 277 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:03 6 hour clock sounds good to me. I don't want the draft to come to a halt over the weekend because we decided to go with no clock. 278 Mudge ID: 13223138 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:23 ^^Agreed. 279 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:33 That sounds fine to me mjd. 280 wolfer ID: 24148211 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:55 I'm good wth that also. 281 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:07 MJD...HELP... I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM YOU AND I AM WALKING OUT DOOR. I SENT MY CELL NUMBER AND ASKED YOU TO CALL ME WHEN IT'S MY PICK. IF YOU CAN'T, I AM SCREWED. YOU ARE MY ONLY DESIGNATED PICKER SAME E-MAIL SENT TO.... philflyboy...if Matt isn't around maybe phb can access my site or maybe Fred at kafenatid.net can help. Sorry guys, this is family. Gotta Go. 282 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:11 Not to worry, Tax. I didn't answer the email because I thought you were already gone. I'll call him when he's up. 283 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:36 sorry for the delay...the draft caught me in the car... 284 Mudge ID: 13223138 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 14:56 ^^Agreed. 285 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 15:29 RE 272: Anyone have the BB Q? If not, its 3:30 in the morn there, I don't expect them to pick before timing out. 286 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 15:33 I'm back. The snow has also put an end to my afternoon plans. I'll be around all weekend for those that might need some help with a DP. And a 6 hour clock is fine with me for the weekend. 287 Electroman ID: 181372119 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 15:42 MMMMMMM, BBQ. 288 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 16:28 We got a bit behind there with rationales. If you have your ready to go, just put in placeholders and POST it before your next pick. Don't wait. 289 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 16:37 Thanks, Bandos For helping with the rationales. I suddenly got very busy these last 2 days and haven't been able to do any editing until much later in the day. 291 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 16:46 created the next rationale thread rounds 11-15 295 Mudge ID: 13223138 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 17:56 Revised forecast for my area: 1 to 2 feet of snow. It's cranking. Bandos, when do you come back to this neck of the woods? Maybe you can e-mail me a telephone # down there (the phones here never go out), so I can call you if the power blows. 296 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 18:08 Tax has a Q, but I'm going to call him first. 297 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 18:22 I'll call him again after the turn 300 Mudge ID: 13223138 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 19:07 Bandos. Got the #. Thanks. Yeah, Beltre is improbable, but at least you did not pick Garciaparra! And you bloody stole Hudson off my bloody queue. 301 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:00 There are no special instructions for TD for round 13. Will give him 10 minutes, then pick from the Q. 302 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 22:04 good idea, I didn't see anything either #264 looks like it was for last night 303 Bash Brothers ID: 23552247 Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 23:11 Pending the availability of certain players, I might want to trade up for round 14. Is anyone interested in switching draft position for round 14 & 15 with me? Thanks 304 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 00:15 I just put Snell in my Q, tonight. 305 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:56 I'm here, dont pick from my Q plz... i'm just analysing some things... 306 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 08:56 I'm here, dont pick from my Q plz... i'm just analysing some things... 309 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 09:53 Fire away on the rationales thread mudge. 310 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:00 I'm here -- the potential trade for this pick is not happening and I have 3-4 rounds to catch up on since my queue has picked for me the last couple of days while I was swamped at work. I'll probably need a half hour to get caught up. Is RoboGuru around? If not, I might take a little more time; if so, I'll speed things up. 311 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:14 im around...but i need to go pick up a rental car...u can take a little time but i would love to be able to pick around 11...otherwise ill b in the car til after 1 312 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 11:17 is jkaye around?...or should i pick the player from his queue for him? 315 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 14:21 I'm going out for a few hours. Things will probably move slow during this time since our league mates in Asia are probably sleeping and Taxman is attending a funeral. Someone else besides me is monitoring his draft's, but Tax will be out of pocket until this evening. Hopefully after 7, everyone will be available to make the turn. 316 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 15:15 My Q is on. If it is available to you, fire away. 317 Mudge ID: 13223138 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 15:45 Roger that Bandos... 318 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 16:34 mjd -- I've written all my rationales (finally). Do you want me to post them here, mail them to you, or something else? (no circular file suggestions please!) 319 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 17:19 ill catch up on the rationales that i owe tonight... 320 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 20:18 You can post those catch up rationales here. Any current ones should be posted in the rationale thread, if you can, but please try to keep them in order. Bandos has been a big help in editing them to the rationale site. I'll be moving some over there in a bit. 323 wolfer ID: 182501218 Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 23:37 Sorry that I did not see that it was my turn in the rationales thread. Did leave a Q. 325 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 10:20 Thanks for making my picks. My Q is restocked and I'll prolly leave it on for the rest of the draft. Fire away! 326 Mudge ID: 13223138 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 10:46 I'm out for a couple of hours. Left a short queue. 327 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:31 TD and mjd, You guys around? If and when Aggy times out or picks, should I pick from your queues? 328 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:02 With no response or specific instructions, I am going to wait another 10 minutes and then pick for TD. 329 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:16 jkaye...u around...or should i pick for him? 331 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:54 oops...i created a placeholder as uptown was posting his rationale...can someone take care of that? 332 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:00 Self edit the thread and you can delete your own post. 333 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:07 i realized that after i posted...its taken care of...thanks bombers 334 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:24 There are no names in Mudge's Q. He should be back soon, per post 326. 335 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:26 Ok, i'm taking a little nap... i need it! I will pick when i'll wake up All the player i had on my Q are gone so i'll need around 20 minutes to update my sheet. I will pick before 5pm... It might not even be my turn to pick by then, but just wanted to warn all... should pick between 4 and 5 pm. 336 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:31 Uptown, Thanks for picking for me. Whenever my Q is available, you or any of my DP's can pick for me unless I leave special instructions on this forum. 337 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:38 You're welcome TD. Just wasn't sure and didn't want you to get someone you didn't want. Thanks for the clarification in case it comes up again. 338 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:04 Looks like aggy's wife might have had the baby. He actually had 12 hours before timing out, at noon. Hopefully, everything is fine and he shows up soon. Because of his mitigating circumstances, he will not be skipped if it becomes his turn and he still has this current time out on the board. He'll get his full clock, but we can't afford to stop the draft at this point. 339 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:42 mjd -- Thank you for managing all of our needs and keeping our draft going. all --> We've got 10 rounds to go; let's all try our best to get that done on or before Monday the 26th (that's 8 days). That should be easy. 342 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 17:54 If that is too much of a pain to put in other thread, tell me, i can e-mail the file to some1. 344 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 21:05 And we are back to Aggy. 345 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 21:32 I say we either wait for him.. or pick best player possible that fits his line-up 346 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 21:33 Problem with Aggy is that he needs 2 MI and a CI. The pool for these players was already thinning before he timed out at noon. I propose that when it becomes his turn again, if he still has not caught up, we briefly pause the draft in order to choose the next ranked players on Yahoo, Rotowire, Rotoworld, ect. to get him caught up. It's pretty late in the draft, but he's got some holes in his lineup that need to be addressed soon, if we are going to maintain competitive balance in the league. Any other ideas? 347 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 21:50 The last pick Aggy made was around 3pm Saturday. Given Aggy's circumstances, I think we should turn off the clock and give him until Tuesday morning to make his picks. If he doesn't pick by the time MJD gets up on Tuesday, then MJD should make the picks for Aggy. The draft has been moving fairly fast the last few days, and even with a days delay we should still finish well ahead of schedule. 348 Hubble ID: 23233218 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 22:34 I agree 349 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 22:43 Let me throw out Monday night as an option to Tuesday morning. This way we can make the top turn on Monday night and be ready to pick for him again if he's about to time out on Tuesday morning. 350 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 23:02 I really don't want to hold up the draft until Tuesday at noon. Maybe tomorrow at about 7PM, or whenever it becomes his turn again (round 17), whatever comes first. 351 Bash Brothers ID: 23552247 Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 23:38 Either way is OK with us. However, since we pick right after Aggy does, we need to know what to do once he misses his picks. 352 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:16 Just for the record, here's the plan: Tomorrow, without intervention from Aggy, he will time out shortly after 7AM ET. Go ahead and pick BB, and others at the turn. In 10 more picks, it will be Aggy's turn again. If he shows up, he can make up the 2 picks he owes from the remaining pool of players at any time. If he fails to show by his next turn, I will pick the 3 highest ranked Yahoo players, according to the positions of his greatest need. Then the draft will continue and we'll go from there. I'll be back by noon and let's see what happens. As always, all comments and suggestions are welcomed and will be seriously taken under advisement. I've gotten a few emails and I appreciate them, but I'd like to keep this discussion on the public forum, so that whatever happens is on the record. 354 Bash Brothers ID: 23552247 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:47 How about mjd picks two for Aggy right after he times out? Since we all know mjd's plan, we (the 5 managers picking between Aggy's picks, including myself) might pick best MI and CI available before the thinning pool is further depleted. I'd feel pretty guilty if I do pick an infielder. I can wait until 8AM ET, if extra time is needed, for either Aggy or mjd. 355 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 00:49 I know the issue seems to have been settled, but I'll add my two cents anyway. I think that if Aggy times out again, the draft should procede up to and including pick 16.16. At that point the draft should be stopped and two players should be selected for Aggy. After pick 16.16, all teams will have 16 players, except Aggy who will have 14. At that point I think we need to catch his team up. Allowing teams to have 17 players before Aggy has 15 seems a bit harsh, especially given the fact we the circumstances of his absence. Of course, if Aggy returns anytime prior to 16.16, he should make his picks. If the above scenario plays out, after two players are selected for him, round 17 should begin as normal. As to whether or not Aggy gets the full clock for his 17th round pick, I'll leave that open. But I really think that after the 16th round is over, Aggy should be given 2 players from a standard ranking. That's my opinion anyway. For the record, I'll be away from the computer from 6 am until 3 pm on Monday, so I won't be able to take part in any other discussion. Also, I'll likely turn on my queue in the morning before I leave for work just in case my pick should come up before 3 pm. 356 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 01:20 I won't be back until about noon ET, so don't wait for me. BB, pick whoever you are going to pick, don't worry. If Aggy does not show up by the time he times out just after 7 AM, he will be MIA for almost 36 hours and that's unacceptable. Several people, in various drafts, this year, have had family emergencies and situations that were beyond their control and somehow they communicated to their league that there was a situation. Including a couple of managers in this league. I'm not trying to be heartless here, but it's a pretty well known fact, on these message boards that you can't just disappear for days at a time during a draft, without some sort of communication, and not expect to suffer some sort of penalty. If Bandos wants to hold up after round 16 to either wait for Aggy or wait for me to pick for Aggy, that's on him and not necessary. When it becomes Aggy's turn again, we'll have plenty of time to make his picks. 358 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 08:56 I picked for wolfer. I understand the rationale behind Uptown suggestion. If MJD was around, maybe it would make sense, but to wait til noon, then possibly wait another 4 hours at aggy's pick would be tough. When we get to 17.06, we get him caught up, and continue on. Realistically, less than 2 of the next 10 players we draft will remain on our teams anyhow. Let us all hope that everything is WONDERFUL in aggy's world! 359 wolfer ID: 24148211 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 09:04 Thanks Bandos. If you didn't I was going to pick now. 360 Mudge ID: 13223138 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 09:12 I agree with Bandos. If all is good in Aggy's worls--as we trust it is--I think he'll be happy with the plan. 361 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 09:53 I agree with Bandos. Maybe Aggy has named his kid after the esteemed past Congressmsn Delay :>) 363 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:33 Good, Aggy made his picks and it looks like he left a queue for round 17. Now if we only knew what the deal is with Fosten. No rationales, I've sent him a couple of emails, no response....he is very much in danger of being skipped in round 17. 364 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:48 Fosten also a no-show. I drafted..on to Bandos to make the turn. 365 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:58 Another email sent to Foston We will not be waiting 4 more hours for him to show. 366 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:01 wolfer's Q is empty. BB, Aggy, and Uptown all have something in their Q. 367 wolfer ID: 24148211 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:27 pick made. 368 Mudge ID: 13223138 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:40 Ah, no Bandos; I really wanted Kemp to come back to me! 369 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 13:56 No such luck you rotten curmudgeon:) Who needs pitchers... We'll be back tomorrow. How much snow is on the ground? 370 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:34 Can't believe I'm handcuffing a Pirate's reliever. I finally got caught up on my rationales. They were written, but I wanted to wait until the Capps pick to post what I'd written for Torres. 371 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 14:35 guys...i am way behind on rationals. Trying to keep my head above water this *&$^#@* Monday! Maybe later I can start catching up. Sorry. 372 Mudge ID: 13223138 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:05 Bandos: No melting whatsoever, so we've still got over a foot on the ground here. We're supposed to get an inch or two more overnight, but tomorrow should be sunny and 40. As you may note, I have no relief pitching...But I don't seem to have much else either. Hmm...odd. And, my entire queue just got eaten up (I was going for Capps too). So, it's back to the drawing board. 374 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 15:08 I knew if I wanted Capps, I best not snooze. 376 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 17:19 Monday is always a bit slow for us. I don't know why, but maybe we're still recovering from our weekend hangovers while trying get up to speed at work. Hopefully, we can gather some momentum and make the turn this evening. 377 Mudge ID: 13223138 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 18:16 ^^Yeah let's hope. Queues, folks, queues! 378 RoboGuru ID: 261542621 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 18:41 mondays mean 5 hours in the car for me...so that could explain my slowness... 379 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 18:56 At least Fosten has picked 380 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 19:19 Bout 4 rounds too early for you to take MY catcher!? Bastard. 381 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 19:37 Lemme re-phrase that. You are a nice guy. How about Kemp for Iannetta? 382 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 19:45 Fosten picked Phillip Hughes. He's not in the Yahoo data base, but as long as Fosten leaves space on his roster, Hughes is his whenever Yahoo activates him. Speaking of which, I have been loading rosters, as we go. Please check your rosters for errors. 383 Mudge ID: 13223138 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 20:19 Bandos, I'll have my people get in touch with your people.... 384 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 20:45 new rationales thread rounds 16-20 386 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:10 BTW: I'll be travelling tomorrow morning and won't check in til 1pm est, most likely. My Q will be around for the next two picks at least. 387 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 22:57 I racking early, have another Rx appmnt for my better half (ok she is my better third). I'll ck @ 8:15 before heading to Dr. Then be back betwwen9:30 and 11:30 depending on ??? When I get to pick, I'll pull Bandos picks and hit my return pick so FOSTEN..don't go away after you pick. It will be right back at you. all times CST 388 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 00:14 Q instructions This Q for round 18 only, please I'll reset for round 19 before my weekly noon meeting on Tuesday all times EDT 389 Mudge ID: 13223138 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 07:30 I too will be away for almost all of today, but I may have sporadic access to the web. In any event, I have left a queue. Feel free to use it as you wish. 390 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:24 I'm here, but leaving for 2-2.5 hours. Wolfer/Fosten I have had Bandos queue in the past so, I should have it turned around by 11-11:30 EST at the latest. 391 wazaaap_guy ID: 6830712 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 09:28 I drafted Felix Hernandez with my 5.11 pick, but was given Julio Lugo in that spot in the yahoo lg. 392 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 11:20 fixed 393 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 11:41 We should turn the corner as soon as Tax returns. Bandos and Fosten both have Qs. wolfer's is empty, then BB and Aggy both have a Q. This should move nicely 394 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 11:49 Rarely fails. Once someone gets skipped, they begin using a Q. I'll be back about 2PM. 395 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:56 Sorry for delay in turning corner. Bandos got my man Neshak..then the physical therapist arrived. Took me a few minutes to back to making 19.02 pick. I'll ck back later this afternoon for progress. 398 Mudge ID: 13223138 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:46 I'm back from a long day. But I'm still two picks away and my queue is still full. Nice. 399 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 18:51 Matt Lindstrom (mudge), Phillip Hughes, and Josh Hamilton (both Fosten) are not in the Yahoo database. Those player are theirs alone as long as there is room on said roster whenever they do become available. I've added placeholders (players unlikely to be drafted or on the DL) to those rosters. So I guess that means if you drop the placeholder, you essentially give up the right to the player. 400 Mudge ID: 13223138 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:11 ^^OK. Understood. 401 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:22 Placeholders in Mudge and Fosten's rosters Hughes->Keith Foulke Hamilton->Kris Benson Lindstrom->Josh Kinney 402 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 20:39 Hubble, another placeholder Hermanson->Cha Baek 403 Electroman ID: 181372119 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 21:08 Dustin Hermanson, cool. I have a little anecdote about him. Back in the days he was an Expo, I used to check out Baseballboards.com. There were quite a lot of Expos fans there. Hermanson would come on and talk with us. He actually told us that he had been traded before the press reported it. I always liked him because he took a bit of time to interact with the fans. Glad to see he has a job, and hope he does well. 404 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 23:20 Getting to bed early tonight. I've made my queue available for this round and will adjust it in the morning for round 21. 405 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 00:33 no Q from Aggy 407 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 07:34 Nice story about Hermanson. MJD. Thanks for the placeholder. Question: do you mean to say that if I drop Kinney (my placeholder) over in Yahoo before Lindstrom becomes available on the database, then I lose all rights to Lindstrom? That makes sense. However, do you have to add Lindstrom for me or can I do it myself when Lindstrom has become available in their database? 410 wolfer ID: 24148211 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 10:53 I will try to catch up on my rationales tonight. 411 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 11:28 407 Not sure how it works, I just remember them talking about it in the RIBC thread, this year or last? I just remember that if/when he becomes available, as long as you have an empty slot in your roster (placeholder) you have exclusive rights to him. Maybe Bandos can clarify the rule, he's been a commish. 412 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 11:31 Mudge - you should keep the placeholder on your roster until the drafted plater becomes available. I would email Yahoo now to request that he be entered. Actually MJD should do that after the draft is over for all the unavailable players. As far as how he gets on your roster, I have never been able to get around waivers with yahoo. You should just wait til he is a fre agent but maybe others know better than me. 413 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 11:48 I thought that Yahoo waited for the guy to be called up or make the team. ie: If he starts the season in AAA, they won't actually add him until he's been called up. If he's not called up, they won't add him, regardless. 414 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 12:07 I just pulled this off the RIBC discussion thread header: "You may draft a player even if he is not currently listed on Yahoo. In that event, you will have the first rights to claim that player when he is listed, as long as you preserve that roster slot for him. Once the draft is completed, you will no longer be able to protect a slot for any unlisted player. At that point, unlisted players will only be available through the standard waiver/free agent process." 415 Mudge ID: 13223138 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 12:10 Well, Lindstrom isn't the lynchpin in my bullpen, so I'm not overly concerned. The great thing is that MLB.com has him listed as the Marlins closer in their depth charts, but he's not on their (MLB's) own fantasy baseball database. 416 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 12:24 I'm perusing through Yahoo now. Of course, I've searched and jumped through multiple hoops to no avail. 417 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 12:35 Of course, Fosten just drafted his 3rd player not listed in the Yahoo database, Sammy Sosa. Need another placeholder name. And unless Fosten is lurking, he'll never know, as he has not posted once on this thread. I've sent him multiple emails with a link to this site. 421 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 17:41 I'm back.................. finally. About 10 seconds after my 12:35PM post, I lost power. Someone must have hit a utility pole because it's 70 and clear. And it's only snowed once in the past 2 years. A rare occurrence for me, but it figures it would be in the middle of a draft. Thanks to Taxman. Fortunately, I had his cell number and he made my 21st round pick and was prepared to help me make my picks for the 2 drafts that I still have going. 424 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 19:30 glad your back Mike. Hope to get more rationals up by tomorrow. 425 wazaaap_guy ID: 11118812 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 20:41 I'm heading out soon... left a queue and made everyone a DP. 432 Hubble ID: 23233218 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 22:59 Just got back... been away all day and i have a nasty migraine. And off course, my Q is depleted. i'll pick tomorrow morning. Sorry all, dont be affraid to skip my pick if i time out... and this goes for the end of the draft.. i'll have hectic schedule and limited net access... ill try to work a major Q, but then again, at this point i dont mind being skipped. 433 Hubble ID: 23233218 Wed, Mar 21, 2007, 23:16 oh well... decided to pick... 434 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 00:04 Fosten placeholder Sammy Sosa->Sean Marshall Marshall was sent down today 435 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 01:26 Found 6 names and left a Q. Have at it. 436 Mudge ID: 13223138 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 07:38 I'll be gone again all day. However, I've just selected in round 22, so there are 24 picks before it gets back to me. I'll leave a queue anyhow. 437 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 12:02 Next rationale thread rounds 21-25 438 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:39 I will be gone for two hours,,,my que is off..because of queue position irregularity...I need to know no one is picked off my queue...cause it will screw up my ordering. 439 Taxman SuperDude ID: 029463114 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 14:57 Back early pick made. Leaving again...but my queue is turned on...so if Bandos picks me clean (again)..I have set the order for the aftermath. I'll ck back this evening 440 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 19:07 Headed out. Use my queue -- there's enough players in it. 443 Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 11:46 I am out for a few hours. I have left a 7 player Q, so it will turn around fast. And then I will be done! Nice job speeding things up and getting this done folks! 444 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 15:08 Last round, way to go. LEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENTS Still missing a bunch of rationales, thanks to those who are keeping up with them. The rest of you slackers need to get on them. We will be doing a draft summary, I'll have that up soon. No specific order necessary, just fire when ready. PLease check your rosters on Yahoo under "draft results". I want to start the league soon and it's alot easier to fix any errors now before hitting "start". After I start the league, it will take 48 hours for wavers to clear. After that, players can be picked up as FA without impact on your WW priority. Placeholders. I'm going to ask a further question about this to another commish or on the RIBC thread for clarification. I always thought that as long as you held on to a placeholder, you had exclusive rights to that player, even after the season started. 2 more placeholders: Scott Baker->Joey Votto (Fosten #3) David Murphy->Joakim Sorio (Taxman) For other placeholders, see post # 401,402, and 432. 446 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 15:48 Here's clarification on players not yet listed in the Yahoo data base. Thanks, Guru. You can hold onto a slot for drafted players only. But you can no longer put in a claim (waiver or otherwise) for players who are not yet listed. Perhaps I should have said it this way: You may draft a player even if he is not currently listed on Yahoo. In that event, you will have the first rights to claim that player when he is listed, as long as you preserve that roster slot for him. Once the draft is completed, you will no longer be able to protect a slot for any unlisted player who you did not draft. At that point, unlisted players will only be available through the standard waiver/free agent process. 447 jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 17:46 all --> I'm not certain if this has been explicitly stated yet or not, but in order to preserve a roster slot for your drafted player that's not listed in Yahoo, you MUST keep the assigned placeholder on your roster. Once you drop the placeholder, you forfeit exclusive rights to your drafted player. When the drafted player becomes available, the commissioner can make some fancy moves to get him on your roster in place of your placeholder without the 2 day wait and waiver claim. mjd --> if you need another placeholder, Davis Romero (Tor - RP) is out for the season. mjd --> my first 24 picks as entered in the league are accurate. Thanks again for getting this done! As a commissioner of a league, I understand that it's a lot of work. 448 jumpbsll ID: 192472319 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 21:48 Ok guys, how do you pick a player that's not in the kafnatid database (but IS in Yahoo)? 449 TD Sustainer ID: 036331011 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 22:01 Jumpball, http://www.kafenatid.net/feedback.php?feedback_subject=otc_player You can try this to add a player to kefenatid. It may take 24 hours though. Maybe you can just put in a placeholder and let MJD know who you really want to pick. 451 jumpball ID: 192472319 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 22:25 Yeah, I read that -- I didn't realize that I had to be THAT proactive; especially with a player that IS listed in Yahoo. I'm going to go ahead and pick another player -- it was a toss up anyway. 452 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 23:26 C'mon with these rationale placeholders, they're now caught up to 23.13 453 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Fri, Mar 23, 2007, 23:28 Draft Recap Thread 455 Electroman ID: 372412215 Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 09:46 I have a little quam about timing out. According to me, I should have 6 minutes left on the clock, no? 6 hour clock on the weekend. The clock finishes a 1 am, last pick was at 10:46. That is 2 hrs 14 minutes. Starts at 6 am. I was at my computer at 9:36 am, giving me about 10 minutes to pick no? 456 Electroman ID: 372412215 Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 10:06 I have to leave, so if I don't respond, that is why. Will be back around noon. 457 Electroman ID: 372412215 Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 10:06 I have to leave, so if I don't respond, that is why. Will be back around noon. 459 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 20:13 Electro, please make your last pick so I can finish loading rosters onto Yahoo. Everyone please check our rosters under "Draft Central"->"draft results" for errors. It's alot easier for me to correct a roster error before I start the season. I'm hitting the "Done" button on Monday when I get up between 12 and 1PM ET. 463 Electroman ID: 372412215 Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 23:47 Noticed that Julio Lugo and Felix Hernandez were swapped between me and WG. I think it has been addressed, just wanted to be sure. 466 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 00:57 Electro, thought I fixed it, but Yahoo switched them back and now it won't let me switch and "save." I'll try it tomorrow when I'm not half asleep. Or maybe I'll have to fix it right before I hit "done". In any event, I'm aware or it and it will be fixed before the season starts. 467 Electroman ID: 372412215 Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 11:25 Worse comes to worse, we can just trade the players to each other. 468 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 13:11 plan B 469 Uptown Bombers Donor ID: 35616416 Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 21:51 My team roster looks good. 470 Bash Brothers ID: 34923297 Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 09:04 When can we begin to drop players and pick up FAs? 471 Electroman ID: 372412215 Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 10:45 From post 444 After I start the league, it will take 48 hours for wavers to clear. After that, players can be picked up as FA without impact on your WW priority. 472 mjd Sustainer ID: 501381415 Mon, Mar 26, 2007, 15:23 LEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT Draft has been released, and the league is activated. Waiver priorities have been set. All undrafted players are now subject to waiver claims for 48 hours. After that time period, they will become free agents and available on a first come first served basis. Any dropped players will be subject to the 48 hour WW before becoming free agents. Waver priorities are set to the inverse order of the first round of the draft. Electro and WG: it's on to plan B. Yahoo would not let me edit your rosters. Please trade Lugo for Felix Hernandez ASAP. The following players are still not in the Yahoo database and are represented by the corresponding placeholders. Please do not waste your waver priority picking these players up. You have exclusive rights to said player as long as you maintain roster space for them. Either keep the placeholder on your roster or maintain an empty slot on your roster. I will be watching. 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