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Subject: Gurukeepers 2008 discussion and keeper declaration

Posted by: Revvingparson - [390331111] Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 08:36

Just a reminder:

1. 6 Keepers due by midnight(Eastern time) Jan 31

2. Trades from last season with draft picks:
Khahan gets round 3 and round 10 picks from Wiggs
Wiggs gets round 12 and round 19 pick from Khahan.

3. Draft first or second week of March @ OTC

4. Prospect keepers due midnight (eastern) March 16

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 20:28

And we have a trade:

Khahan sends Carlos Zambrano and Delmon Young

Perm Dude sends
Daisuke Matsuzaka

Perm Dude
ID: 53024149
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 21:02

I confirm.

Now I can go back to rooting against the Sox every game, rather than only 3 out of every 4.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 21:11

rofl. Nice. You're up in the mock draft, btw.

GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:31

Looking to move a player or two for late round picks. Please send some offers.

Chone Figgins-(LAA - 2B,3B,OF)
Andruw Jones-(Atl - OF)
Chad Cordero-(Was - RP)
J.J. Hardy-(Mil - SS)
Kevin Youkilis-(Bos - 1B,3B,OF)
Ben Sheets-(Mil - SP)
Brad Lidge-(Hou - RP)
Julio Lugo-(Bos - 2B,3B,SS)

For now my Keepers....

Vladimir Guerrero-(LAA - OF) Might trade
Brandon Webb-(Ari - SP) Might trade
Dan Haren-(Oak - SP) Might trade

Joe Nathan-(Min - RP) Not for sale
Miguel Cabrera-(Fla - 3B) Not for sale
Prince Fielder-(Mil - 1B)Not for sale

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 18:02

If anyone is interested in any of the following guys for a pick of some type, it would make my keepers decision easier:

J. Mauer
J.J. Putz
S. Kazmir
J. Chamberlain

Mauer or Putz I'd hope to get something fairly early-round. The other two can be had for a song.

If I post my keepers here before the 31st, am I allowed to change them up until the 31st?

barilko6
ID: 590562012
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 14:04

Iave too many OF's and Young Starters on my roster. Would be willing to move some of these guys in a package for anything but a 3rd Baseman. (Already have A-Rod)

Need to move 2 of the following:

Matt Holliday-(Col - OF)
Alex Rios-(Tor - OF)
Jacoby Ellsbury-(Bos - OF)
Nick Markakis-(Bal - OF)
Corey Hart-(Mil - OF

Need a Closer?:

B.J. Ryan-(Tor - RP) DL
Jonathan Papelbon-(Bos - RP)
Joe Borowski-(Cle - RP)

Also have too many young starters:

Jered Weaver-(LAA - SP)
Tim Lincecum-(SF - SP)
Erik Bedard-(Bal - SP)
Dustin McGowan (Tor - SP)

Need for Speed:

Rafael Furcal is cheap!!!

Khahan
ID: 561119313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 11:55

KMIKL (Khahan's Mighty Impressive Keeper List):

Grady Sizemore
Hanley Ramirez
BJ Upton
Alfonso Soriano
Chase Utley
Daisuke Matsuzaka

Enjoy fighting for 2nd place in 2008, chumps. :) Might as well hand me the crown now.

GolfFreak
ID: 369582419
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 13:35

Prince Fielder-(Mil - 1B)
Chone Figgins-(LAA - 2B,3B,OF)
Miguel Cabrera-(Fla - 3B)
Vladimir Guerrero-(LAA - OF)
Joe Nathan-(Min - RP)
Brandon Webb-(Ari - SP)

Enjoy fighting for 3rd place in 2008, chumps. :) Might as well hand me the 2nd place now.

revvingparson
ID: 10042315
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:45

Keepers:

Garrett Atkins
Ryan Braun
Russell Martin
Troy Tulowitzki
Felix Hernandez
Jake Peavy

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 08:09

David Ortiz - 1B
Lance Berkman - 1B/OF
Brian Roberts - 2B
Justin Verlander - SP
Carlos Guillen - 1B/SS
Torii Hunter - OF

Perm Dude
ID: 33029308
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:37

Keepers:

Aramis RamÃrez-(ChC - 3B)
Ichiro Suzuki-(Sea - OF)
Trevor Hoffman-(SD - RP)
C.C. Sabathia-(Cle - SP)
Bobby Abreu-(NYY - OF)
Daisuke Matsuzaka-(Bos - SP)

Khahan
ID: 561119313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:00

Hey PD, You might want to relist your keepers. You traded me Dice-K for Delmon Young & Carlos Zambrano. :) I don't think Rev would let 2 of us share his stats.

Perm Dude
ID: 33029308
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 21:26

Sorry--was running out the door.

Aramis Ramirez-(ChC - 3B)
Ichiro Suzuki-(Sea - OF)
C.C. Sabathia-(Cle - SP)
Delmon Young-(Mil - OF)
Bobby Abreu-(NYY - OF)
Carlos Zambrano-(ChC - P)

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 23:57

1B Travis Hafner
SS Jose Reyes
OF Manny Ramirez
OF Eric Byrnes
SP Roy Halladay
SP Cole Hamels

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 08:38

For now:

(Pending Trades)

Alex Rodriguez
Matt Holliday
Jonathan Papelbon
Erik Bedard
Alex Rios
Nick Markakis.

On second looks, I could use a better 6th keeper than Markakis, send me your offers!

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 09:02

Anyone need a closer?
I am looking to trade Saito, Wagner, Rivera or Myers for a draft pick. Send me an offer.

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 10:22

JJ Putz or Joe Mauer for a draft pick.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 12:58

Wiggs Keepers.

1B Justin Morneau
1b Derek Lee
RP Wagner
RP Rivera
RP Saito
SP Oswalt

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 13:31

Keepers:
Ryan Howard, 1B, Phi
Derek Jeter, SS, NYY
David Wright, 3B, NYM
Carlos Beltran, OF, NYM
Carl Crawford, OF, TB
JJ Putz, RP, Sea

Tree
ID: 520153120
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 23:11

Tree's Keepers:
Carlos Lee (Hou - OF)
Víctor Martínez (Cle - C,1B)
Albert Pujols (StL - 1B)
Jimmy Rollins (Phi - SS)
Mark Teixeira (Atl - 1B)
John Lackey (LAA - SP)

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 09:43

Has anyone heard from unemployed lately? I just realized that he has not posted during the last month.

Rev

Unemployed
ID: 389351018
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 10:41

Sorry guys, I have been out of it. Thanks for the reminder Wiggs.

Johan Santana
Josh Beckett
Paul Konerko
Magglio Ordonez
Francisco Rodriguez
Bobby Jenks

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 10:42

no problem buddy, I was hoping everything was ok.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:48

I think being one day late he should have to drop Santana in to the free agent pool. I wonder why nobody joins leagues I commish??? Just kidding glad your back for another round.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 13:11

I agree with GF. In fact, since Unemployed actually is in a league I commish, I think I'll penalize him in that league as well!

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 13:52

Hey AA while your penalizing him you can sign up at OTC :) Please and thank you

Rev

allhair allstars
ID: 5614179
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 14:27

Done! The OTC part, at least...

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 15:21

WG and unemployed need to sign up at OTC

Tree
ID: 54124212
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 15:32

Rev - sent you an email. wondering if you got it...

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 16:11

re29-yes and I'm mulling it over this weekend.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 18:54

Ok stupid question... what's OTC and how can I sign up for it?

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 18:58

OTC is On The Clock, the draft feature at Kafenatid.com

rev sent out an email yesterday (2/1)...

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 19:07

Ok, I figured it was Kafenatid, but since I didn't know a league id or pw to register with, I thought it was something else.

I checked all my major email accounts and don't see anything... maybe it was sent to one I no longer check or have, or went to my bulk mail folder instead and I accidentally deleted it. Either way, can someone forward me the info? Thanks.

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 19:27

Sent

Unemployed
ID: 389351018
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 20:07

All, if you don't mind please use the e-mail address in this post. It's almost impossible to sift through my yahoo account because it is choked by like 100 spams a day.

And Rev could you send me the e-mail again. I don't see it anywhere.

Oh and as for punishment, I get enough of it as it is from my wife and children.:)

Tree
ID: 3126222
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 23:26

Rev - thanks. i had other emails that apparently haven't gone through.

Perm Dude
ID: 5312218
Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 16:17

OTC says I'm up, but I can't get in. Is the draft open?

revvingparson
ID: 51003016
Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 16:44

No, I'm in the process of loading the keepers. Draft will not start until end of Feb/first part of March

barilko6
ID: 491137128
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 11:11

Quick question...

When do we have to declare our keepers for the prospects, as some of the keepers might be desirable to draft during out regular draft.

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 15:01

midnight-eastern time Feb 29

revvingparson
ID: 59132143
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 14:31

here is a listing of prospects and their current standing (prospect declaration is 11:59 PM Feb 29):
Khahan
Luke Hochevar-P-KC-drafted 2007 OK
Justin Upton, OF Arin drafted 2007 OK
Tony Gwynn Jr, OF Mil-drafted 2007 OK

Tree
Ian Stewart, 3B, Col-drafted 2005 3 year limit is up
Billy Butler, OF, KC-drafted 2006 325 ABs
Phillip Hughes, P, NYY-drafted 2006 OK

wiggs
Jason Kubel OF Min-drafted 2005 3 yrs, 418 ABs
BRandon Wood SS ANA-drafted 2006 OK
MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets-drafted 2006 OK

Allhair
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C, ATL-drafted 2006 308 ABs
Elvis Andrus, SS, ATL-drafted 2006 OK
Scott Elbert, P, LAD-drafted 2007 OK

Unemployed
Eric Reed, OF, FLA-drafted 2006 OK
Travis Bowyer, P, FLA-drafted 2006 OK
Adam Lind, OF, Tor-drafted 2007 350 ABs

Balriko
Lastings Milledge, OF, NYM-drafted 2006 350 ABs
Kendry Morales, 1B, ANA-drafted 2006 OK
Kazumi Saitoh, P, Japan-drafted 2007 OK

wazaaap_guy
Chris Young, OF, Ari-drafted 2006 called up
Cameron Maybin, OF, Det-drafted 2007 OK
Evan Longoria, 3b, TB-drafted 2007 OK

GolfFreak,
Andy Marte, 3B, CLV –drafted 2005 3 year limit
Chad Billingsley (RHP, LAD)-drafted 2006 237 IP
Lorenzo Cain, OF, Milwaukee Brewers-drafted 2007 OK

Blackjackis21
Carlos Quentin OF Ari-drafted 2006 395 ABs
Alex Gordon 3B KC-drafted 2006 called up
Carlos Gonzalez OF Ari-drafted 2006 OK

Revvingparson
Troy Tulowitzki-SS-Col-drafted 2006 called up
Yovani Gallardo-P-Mil drafted 2007 OK
TREVOR CROWE, of, Indians-drafted 2007 OK

Perm Dude
Joel Guzman, SS, LAD-drafted 2006 OK
Fernando Cabrera, P, BAL-drafted 2006 OK
Adam Miller, P, Cle-drafted 2007 OK

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 15:16

Khahan
Luke Hochevar-P-KC-drafted 2007 OK keep

Justin Upton, OF Arin drafted 2007 OK keep

Tony Gwynn Jr, OF Mil-drafted 2007 OK drop

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 15:19

Also,
I'd like to ask that you start the draft now so we can access the league in kafenatid to set up ques and review players.

Right now with the draft stopped we cannot access anything. Not draft grids, list of players taken, list of players available or our ques.

revvingparson
ID: 59132143
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 17:51

Just a reminder on prospect keepers:

You no longer retain the rights to your prospect that has exceeded the 3 year hold (those drafted in 2005), 150 IP or 300 AB unless you have claimed them as one of your six keepers as declared on January 31.

Rev

Perm Dude
ID: 581331621
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 22:47

Joel Guzman, SS, (now with TB): keep
Fernando Cabrera, P, BAL cut
Adam Miller, P, Cle keep

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 23:13

Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C, ATL - Drop
Elvis Andrus, SS, ATL - Keep
Scott Elbert, P, LAD - Drop

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 23:51

Andy Marte drop
Chad Billingsley drop

Lorenzo Cain keep

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 01:58

wiggs
Jason Kubel OF Min-drafted 2005 3 yrs, 418 ABs drop
BRandon Wood SS ANA-drafted 2006 OK keep
MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets-drafted 2006 OK keep

barilko6
ID: 31144178
Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 09:47

Keeping only Kazumi Saitoh

Perm Dude
ID: 2138188
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 21:04

Any reason I can't pick now?

revvingparson
ID: 59132143
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 07:06

Troy Tulowitzki-SS-Col-drafted 2006 Called up
Yovani Gallardo-P-Mil drafted 2007 KEEP
TREVOR CROWE, of, Indians-drafted 2007 DROP

Guys, I want us to wait until all the prospect keepers have been announced before we start drafting. They are due by 11:59 PM Feb 29.

Unemployed
ID: 389351018
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 11:05

Eric Reed, OF, FLA-drafted 2006 OK Drop
Travis Bowyer, P, FLA-drafted 2006 OK Keep
Adam Lind, OF, Tor-drafted 2007 350 ABs FA

Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 11:14

Tree
Ian Stewart, 3B, Col-drafted 2005 3 year limit is up
Billy Butler, OF, KC-drafted 2006 325 ABs
Phillip Hughes, P, NYY-drafted 2006 OK

Phil Hughes is the only one i can keep, so i will do so.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 11:16

Chris Young, OF, Ari-drafted 2006 Called Up
Cameron Maybin, OF, Det-drafted 2007 KEEP
Evan Longoria, 3b, TB-drafted 2007 KEEP

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 13:20

Blackjackis21
Carlos Quentin OF Ari-drafted 2006 395 ABs FA

Alex Gordon 3B KC-drafted 2006 called up FA

Carlos Gonzalez OF Ari-drafted 2006 OK Keep

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 13:31

That's 11. Any reason PD can't pick now?

revvingparson
ID: 59132143
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 15:21

Here is the updated Prospect keeper list. Please mark your cheat sheets accordingly as there are several players that are desirable pick-ups. Remember if you draft a prospect during the regular draft and it is found out after another manager(s) draft, you are out of luck and must draft from what is left on the board at the time it is discovered.

PD may draft at anytime, but I'm not turning the clock on until March 3rd, a date we had already agreed to (it was split between that and the 10th, but due to real life schedules the 3rd became the choice). Therefore if it gets to a manager and he desires to wait that is an allowable choice. The rationale is very simple-pitchers and catchers have just arrived, and some position battles will have an impact upon where a player is drafted (two weeks can possibly make a big difference for some of us).

Here is the updated prospect keepers:
Khahan
Luke Hochevar-P-KC-drafted 2007
Justin Upton, OF Arin drafted 2007

Tree
Phillip Hughes, P, NYY-drafted 2006

wiggs
BRandon Wood SS ANA-drafted 2006
MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets-drafted 2006

Allhair
Elvis Andrus, SS, ATL-drafted 2006

Unemployed
Travis Bowyer, P, FLA-drafted 2006

Balriko
Kazumi Saitoh, P, Japan-drafted 2007

wazaaap_guy
Cameron Maybin, OF, Det-drafted 2007
Evan Longoria, 3b, TB-drafted 2007

GolfFreak,
Lorenzo Cain, OF, Milwaukee Brewers-drafted 2007

Blackjackis21
Carlos Gonzalez OF Ari-drafted 2006

Revvingparson
Yovani Gallardo-P-Mil drafted 2007

Perm Dude
Joel Guzman, SS, TB-drafted 2006
Adam Miller, P, Cle-drafted 2007

Perm Dude
ID: 2138188
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:16

Alrighty. No reason to wait, with Cano on the board.

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 08:40

Khahan - emailed you. check it?

airallnite - the email you have on the yahoo site bounced back. got a different one?

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 08:45

Thanks, fixed it over at yahoo... here it is.

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 09:11

Tree,
I can't check my hotmail account from work. But if you are just verifying that you have the correct address I have the same address that I have had since the beginning of last season and the same address you've been getting emails from me for the other leagues we're in.

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 10:51

i'm actually looking to make a trade...i was hoping to do it BEFORE the pick you just made, but we can still discuss...

can you email me?

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 13:22

hey folks -

i need to diversify my team a bit, and i'm looking to move Albert Pujols. if you've got an interest, email me. :o)

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:55

also - going to be out for most of the night. left a queue for this round only.

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 16:04

Make this pick count Wiggs. You're done until round 4 after this.

Perm Dude
ID: 017218
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:02

I already have a 3B, but I couldn't pass up Braun in this spot.

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:04

wrong ryan braun pd. you picked the RP from KC

Perm Dude
ID: 017218
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:15

Ug! Good catch, wiggs. Picked too fast to see that! Rev, any chance I can make a corrective pick?

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:16

LOL!!!!

No, he's not that Ryan Braun, and unfortunately he did not match Milwaukee's Ryan Braun in terms of first-season production. He was dominant in 23 Triple-A Omaha appearances, posting a WHIP below 1.000 and an ERA just above 1.00, but he was years older than his competition. He is a groundball pitcher with a poor strikeout rate and he should pitch in extended relief for the Royals.

Perm Dude
ID: 017218
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:18

Maybe he'll come around...

:)

I've got about 30 guys in the q, but another glance through the add a player list did me in.

Perm Dude
ID: 017218
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:21

BTW, my other pick would have been Carlos Pena, 1, TB

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:21

When I 1st saw your pick I was like WTF! How did I miss him. Dont worry someone did the same thing in football with Peterson. ;P

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 23:22

I have no problem with a repick.

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 00:43

I'd vote for a repick...

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 00:51

I agree he should repick, and I can't see anyone here disagreeing... I would like to say, however, that I hope we're all as forgiving once I start accidentally picking up everyone's prospect keepers off the wire! ;)

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 01:51

I have no problem with a repick.

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 06:07

I switched PD's pick to the one he referenced in post 71.

That's what happens when you stay up late to draft:) By the way the real Ryan Braun is snuggly entrenched on my team.

Rev

Perm Dude
ID: 32112228
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 09:13

Thanks, rev!

barilko6
ID: 491137128
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 09:14

Yeah, I have no problem with that call either. I was looking over the kafenatid and saw Braun and immediately thought he had to be a prospect or something. haha

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:37

Sorry guys, gonna be a while. Got 3-4 picks I'm considering and don't have my research material with me. Will have to wait until I get home after work.

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:45

Khahan

Im up after your pick, so I made you my designated picker. Please just use my Q for next pick only.

Thanks

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 01:08

Can we please all check our rosters and make sure every player we drafted is listed on the draft grid at an eligible position?

Not that I'm going to ask for any roster changes or think there should be any roster changes, but I'm a bit irritated that Paul Konerko was not listed under the 1st basemen column. When I did my reviews of drafted players vs my draft charts, I noted in round 8 that both Pena and Konerko were not drafted in the 1st basemen or utility. So I opted to go with a pitcher instead of 1st base (if I had realized konerko was gone, I would have taken pena). But since neither were listed as 1st basemen or utility on anybody's draft grid, I decided to grab a pitcher and take whichever one was left of those 2.

Needless to say, Pena went and I couldn't find Konerko available anywhere in the available players. This DID affect my draft strategy.

So please, everybody just check your players on the draft grid and please make sure they are posted in at an appropriate position.

I've moved on from the incident, but now i'm spending time checking the C position to see if a pitcher I want has been taken already.

Tree
ID: 513230
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 01:48

i've got Pujols if you need a first baseman and want to make a trade... ;o)

i believe Ryan Braun is also listed in the wrong position...

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 08:49

Tree
I've listed Braun as an OF because he is coming into camp as the starting LF for the Brewers. I realize that he will need the first 5 games to become Yahoo eligible. Sorry if this has caused any confusion, but it's the way I'm putting my team together. Which is part of the reason I would not trade him a couple of weeks ago.

As for Konerko it was my mistake that he was not listed under 1st base.

I know I've always been big on paper work, but this year I've kept two list for each draft my cheat sheet, but also a log of each position and when a player goes off, I check the position I have him listed for and scratch off accordingly.

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 14:06

GF
I changed Carmona from 1st base to his rightful position of SP.

Rev

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:12

Khahan

You need to repick 14.03 as Longoria is WG's prospect.

Rev

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:32

Khahan

My bad I got two drafts mixed up.

rev

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 22:22

heh, I picked it in the dirty dozen and then immediately said oops, he's a prospect. Too many drafts. Now RIBC is starting and I'm in that auction draft, too. Gonna be tough to keep stuff straight.

Tree
ID: 27133255
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 07:34

DRAFT STOP (i think) -

Allhair drafted Gallardo. i believe he is a prospect keeper...

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 07:51

Gallardo is a prospect, I emailed Art but he must not have seen it before he picked.

As for stopping the draft, no. A wrong pick was made Art can let me know what he wants done when he gets my message.

Tree ignore my email, with you and allhair trading picks the OTC board makes it look like your pick at first glance.

I just get a warm fuzzy all over thinking I have ONE prospect and many of you have tried to snatch both in this draft and also last Aug/Sept as a FA.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 08:07

Sent a replacement pick to rev...

Thanks for the heads up and sorry for the delay.

revvingparson
ID: 49110216
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 08:15

Everything is taken care of, drafting may continue.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 12:27

I love being in a league that's in round 13 of its draft a full week BEFORE the draft even starts! :)

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:17

Who made that pick for me?

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:20

That would be me...Art if its a problem let me know and I'll see what we can do about it.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:36

Sorry for any confusion... the oversight was completely mine... I thought only designated DPs could make picks off the queue, but of course it says right there that the league admin can make picks as well... Email sent.

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 11:56

I did change Art's last pick. Just a reminder that when you leave your queue on that any DP you choose along with myself may make a pick for you.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:10

Thanks rev...

100

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:03

Well Im taking off to another store not sure if my cell isp works there, wont be home till 11ish.
Leaving a small Q but JUST for this round please.

Hope all is ok with PD.

101

Perm Dude
ID: 45142812
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:57

Worst flu of my life. Three days of sleeping, sipping soup (when I could keep it down), coughing (when my ribs weren't too sore from the previous coughing bouts), headaches. You name it--I had it.

I pushed a little today (the work was really piling up) but thank goodness I started this draft with a 50 person queue and could pick up someone (finally!) when I got back on.

102

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 21:36

Glad to see things improving PD.

103

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 10:57

I'm out of commission until tomorrow am sometime. I've got a pretty lengthy queue set up and picked a few DP's. Feel free to use the queue for as many rounds as it lasts. Thanks.

104

Unemployed
ID: 389351018
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 10:19

LOL, this draft is going to end before the clock ever gets turned on.

105

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 20:27

With just over two rounds to still complete here is a list of players NOT in the Yahoo database:

khahan-Hansen

Unemployed-Price

wiggs-Prior

rev

106

barilko6
ID: 28224321
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:25

Wow...I am surprised Prior and Hansen aren't in there.

107

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 18:42

I would like to draft Clayton Kershaw... should I just get a placeholder?

108

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 19:43

Prior was added in today.

I emailed Fred and asked him to add Clayton Kershaw

We're almost done:)

109

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 21:39

WG Clayton Kershaw has been added at OTC

110

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 23:06

My queue is good to go again, please use it if it comes up.

111

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 10:02

PD - Longoria is on the prospect list. you can't draft him. :o)

112

Perm Dude
ID: 4621449
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 10:03

Oh, damn. Thanks.

Commish, can you swap him with Tadahito Iguchi?

113

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 10:12

I need the commish to make the swap for me right? I can't do anything myself?

114

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 12:05

Done

115

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 06:56

OK, drafted has been loaded into Yahoo and the season has been started.

2 players were not in Yahoo-
Khahan=Craig Hansen
Unemployed=David Price

When to start prospect draft:
Monday March 10
or
Monday March 31

116

GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 08:15

Monday March 31

117

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 09:22

March 31 is fine.

118

Perm Dude
ID: 324768
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 09:48

3/31 please

119

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 09:51

Also prefer 3/31.

120

barilko6
ID: 561222714
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 10:06

Either or is fine with me, but I sent this question out via email, and will also post it here:

The season starts before the actual drafting of our prospects. May I add a player that is currently in the Yahoo database to my team prior to the actual prospect draft?

121

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 10:08

I vote 3/10

122

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 15:47

Any ruling on post 120?

123

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:17

re:120 Hey I have a day job:) Seriously, if a player is in Yahoo's data base and is not currently on any teams big league or prospect roster they are free game.

Currently all undrafted players are on 48 hour waivers, which means roughly Sat/Sun all players will become FA. Until then players can be claimed off waivers, the waiver wire has been set up in inverse order of the draft.

Also will be looking into the Chris Young duo mix-up.

124

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:25

Young boys should now be taken care of.

125

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:32

I figured someone checked in and knew the answer Rev, didn't expect you to have to come on just for me!!!

I was just figuring some of the smart guys were going to wait until the waiver wire opened and take them all before they gave me an answer!

126

Tree
ID: 43251616
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 18:05

really? so prospect eligible guys can be picked up?

if that's the case, i think we should start the prospect draft immediately. seriously.

127

revvingparson
ID: 291402817
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 18:50

Yes, a manager can pick off waivers any player that is in Yahoo's data base.

As for picking up prospect eligible players each manager is going to have a different strategy, but if a manager desires to hold one roster spot throughout the season he's welcome to do so. Just remember that in order to retain your rights to such a player he must be one of your six keepers next year, or you lose your rights to him.

As for me I would rather take such a player in the prospect draft and if he pans out this year call him up, if not I'll be able to retain his rights until he surpasses prospect eligibility.

I'm ready to go with the prospect draft, but the majority of the replies to the draft date is the end of March.

128

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:41

I have an excess of pitching, and would be looking to move a SP for a bat, preferably a 1b or a 2b.

129

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:09

I have the minor league rights to Luke Hochevar and Justin Upton. Am willing to trade either player before the prospect draft.

Upton is major league ready this year. Hochevar will probably be good as a prospect until next year.

Looking for draft picks in 2009 or can package for players this season.

130

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:02

TRADE

Tree gives:

Pujols/Kendrick/McGown/last round pick next year/2nd round prospect pick this year

to Barilko for

Bedard/Markakis/Perez/5th round pick next year/1st round prospect pick this year

131

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:07

Jeff Kent anyone?

132

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:15

confirmed

133

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:40

Just getting your sense of where we are as league after 5 years. Was thinking that since our draft is done and the season hasn't started it might be good to reflect on the state of the league. So please have at it...

Is there anything we can change to make the league better?

Anything that you really like..

Anything you dislike...

134

barilko6
ID: 232541116
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:44

I really don't like that someone referred to my team being "A Holliday with A-Rod in my Pujols."

Now I absolutely need to trade one of those three guys that I have on my team!

Taking offers as we speak!!!

135

barilko6
ID: 232541116
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:46

re: 133

Being just the start of my second year in the league, I really like the league. The only option I would have is to add an extra IF spot, but even that is just a luxury in my mind.

136

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:54

Pujols is going to be interesting this year--depending on when his elbow finally gives out he may miss more than just the remainder of this year but a good part of 2009. At least that's the word I read coming out of the Redbirds camp.

137

barilko6
ID: 232541116
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:02

Yeah, that was part of my discussions with Tree. I read that TJ surgery is in his future, but he is still saying that he can play through it for now. We shall see. I took a risk on a top 5 guy, and hopefully it pays off.

138

barilko6
ID: 232541116
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:41

I am still looking to move Ryan Theriot, Jeff Kent, and/or Adam LaRoche.

Theriot has 2b/ss Eligibility and will get you some nice steals. Jeff Kent pretty much hits like an OF at a 2B spot, and Adam LaRoche is a nice 30/100 potential guy.

I am looking for an OF in return, preferably someone who can provide SB's, but I am not too picky.

139

Tree
ID: 45229204
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 06:31

not that ive done much research, but when is our prospect draft?

140

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 19:11

Prospect draft is now set for April 1st (had mentioned March 31st but there was a conflict so I moved it back one day)

Rev

141

revvingparson
ID: 27222216
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 12:20

Let's please discuss this over the board as we will have a future record:

Some additions to prospect rules to think about(ANY CHANGE WOULD BE EFFECT AFTER THIS YEARS PROSPECT DRAFT, and would require a 8 votes for passage):
A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft, but from the conclusion of the regular draft until after the prospect draft prospect eligible players may not be picked up off waivers.
B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.
C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

142

Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 12:52

i like A and C. not so fond of B.

143

Perm Dude
ID: 16219217
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 13:04

B is just like declaring your regular keepers, right? So we would declare all our keepers at the same time?

If so, I have no problem with all three.

144

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 13:24

I'm not so sure I like A. In the past, the regular draft and the regular rosters always took precedence and had more meaning than the prospects and I think it should stay that way.

As long as we are clear that he can't be taken off of waivers but a guy on the FA list is free for the taking at any time regardless of status, I guess I'm ok with it. Or perhaps a minor tweak would be that prospect eligible players on waivers may not be claimed during the prospect draft (why shouldn't you be able to get them between the end of the rgular draft and start of the prospect draft?)

145

GolfFreak
ID: 222502017
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 14:30

Not sure I like A.
Teams that are on the lower end of the standings need there fair shot at the new hot prospect.

Team A has a good core, but in the 10 round takes the the best prospect off the board.

Team B needs to build his core, but cant afford to use his pick in round 10 for the hot prospect.

Not sure Im getting my point across like I would like. Doesnt it some what make the draft order in the prospect draft useless then?

146

revvingparson
ID: 27222216
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:18

Just to clarify on "A"-
1) Currently there is nothing in the rules that prohibit a prospect eligible player from being drafted in the regular draft. An example of this was 3 years ago Zimmerman was prospect eligible and was drafted in the regular draft.

2)As I think about it so that the rule isn't abused it may have to be amended to read "...if a manager drafts a prospect during the regular draft he must have him on his roster for the duration of the season. I want to avoid a player being drafted to keep him out of the prospect draft and then immediately being dropped off the managers regular roster. I don't know if this would answer GF's concerns or not.

3) The term prospect for our league is already defined as any player with less than 300 major league ABs or less than 150 IP whether he's a FA or on waivers.

147

GolfFreak
ID: 222502017
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:34

Guess I readed it wrong I thought if you drafted the prospect in the 10th round he went on your prospect roster, but if he goes on your reg roster and must stay for the duration of the season, then Im ok with it.

148

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:59

Rev,

I think you may be over analyzing a non-issue.
It hasn't happened yet. Everybody in this league seems to be a very conscientious manager and we all seems to be respectful of an 'unwritten spirit of the rules,' ie: we don't play dirty little games like this. Any rule you make to avoid something that may potentially happen for the wrong reasons will have a negative impact on just simply playing the game.

Lets take Homer Bailey. He's about to be optioned to AAA. By this rule you are suggesting in 146 (option 2) I'm screwed with Bailey. Right now I have the option of maintaining my rights to him and keeping him on my roster or dropping him for somebody else. Under your rule, I lose a roster spot all season long and am just stuck.

I just don't see the point in trying to police something that, to date, has not needed policing.

Here's a few options I can think of that are not as restrictive:

1) Do nothing until somebody causes you to do something.

2) Make a penalty for dropping a prospect eligible player w/in a certain time frame after the prospect draft

3)Make it so prospect eligible players may not be dropped for up to 2 weeks after the Prospect draft.

I would suggest (for people who find themselves in my situation w/ homer bailey)

You cannot drop a prospect eligible player during the prospect draft (but you can before).

or

if you drop a prospect eligible player during a prospect draft you cannot draft him.

149

Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 16:06

in the poli-league some of us are in, it's pretty simple.

between the regular draft and the prospect draft, you cannot draft a prospect-eligible player.

you can draft a prospect-eligible player in the regular draft. you just can't pick one up as a free agent/waivers prior to the prospect draft.

once the prospect draft is done, things commence as normal.

150

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:29

I just realized I picked up a prospect-eligible player post-draft in Manny Parra. I had forgotten all about the prospect draft. I'm throwing him back in the pool - I certainly had no intention of trying to circumvent any unwritten rules.

Incidentally, I like B and C. For A, I'd lean along the lines of what Khahan and/or Tree are throwing out.

151

revvingparson
ID: 27222216
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:20

re:150 I don't believe that is necessary in that he is scheduled to be with the Brewers.

152

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:40

Nah - I wouldn't have picked him up if I'd remembered about the prospect draft. If I'd have drafted him, I might feel differently I guess. No big deal either way.

153

GolfFreak
ID: 222502017
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 20:38

I do think we should come up with something.

I would like make this move >>> Drop Carlos Ruiz and pick up Towles. But some how I feel this is wrong. Towles only had 40ab last year.

Maybe no FA moves till after Prospect draft?

154

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 20:47

I guess my problem with the rule is that it gets into intent. If you are planning on dropping Carlos Ruiz to pick up Towles because your intent is to use Towles during the season and you think he's a good choice, then I would say go for it.

If your intent is to make the switch to thin the talent pool for the prospect draft and you have no real intention of using Towles then shame on you. (and I know you aren't doing this GF, just using you as an example).

So my question is: Do we go on the honor system or try and police intent?

156

revvingparson
ID: 27222216
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:12

Let's try to this wording:

A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft, but from the conclusion of the regular draft until after the prospect draft prospect eligible players may not be added from FA or waivers.

157

barilko6
ID: 52219226
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:20

Re: 153: I picked up Steven Pearce because the guy was mashing during spring training, and I honestly thought Nady was going to get dealt to the Mets, thus opening a spot for Pearce.

While Pearce is a prospect eligible player, I did throw out the question as to whether it was legal for me to pick him up. I grabbed him thinking he would put up great 3/4 of a season's worth of numbers, ala Ryan Braun last year, but obviously not as huge.

As for all the rules, I don't mind them, but I think the first couple of weeks are key for prospect guys as we see who has nailed down starting jobs, and I would hate to be handcuffed from adding a guy, OR, awarding a manager who just happens to be on the prospect clock when a rookie is just declared a starter for his team.

158

Tree
ID: 42212226
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:20

i think you need a hard and fast rule.

it works very well in our other league, and it's simple. once the regular draft ends, you can't pick up anyone who is prospect eligible.

if you thought Towles was a better option than Ruiz, then you should have drafted Towles. otherwise, now you have to hope your luck holds up and you can take him in prospect draft and call him up.

regarding this: re:150 I don't believe that is necessary in that (Parra) is scheduled to be with the Brewers.

maybe so - but if we had this rule in place, that wouldn't matter, and he wouldn't have been able to pick up Parra.

i think this is a very good rule.

159

revvingparson
ID: 27222216
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 10:45

What is the purpose of having prospects and a prospect draft?

I realize that each manager will answer this differently, and that for every Zimmerman that is drafted in the regular draft and sticks his first year, there is also a boat load of Rasmus who are diamonds in the rough and get shipped back to AAA {I now must make the decision to hold him until he's called up and play with just 24 players or dump him now}.

Personally I look at prospects and the drafting of them as guys who are 2-3 years from making it to the big show. Therefore of the 3 prospects that will be on my keeper squad this year only one will be ready for the majors (drafted him last year).

Perhaps what would makes things more palatable for some is having the prospect draft start the day after the conclusion of the regular draft (still have rule "A") but the time frame it is in effect would be shortened. Thus both drafts would be completed by early midMarch and undrafted prospect eligible players could be added off waivers/FA and thus the only "luck" involved would be the normal who heard about their "sticking" first.

The purpose for instituting rule "A" is very simple the two moves that have been discussed in this thread are allowable under current rules, yet there are differing opinions as to whether the moves should be made/allowed. As far as I'm concerned the moves should be allowed because that's the way the rules are written, but putting rule "A" in place takes away the gray and makes it a black/white decision.

160

Tree
ID: 0229228
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 11:21

prospects, to me, are two-fold.

1. to help build for your future, be it in 3 years or 1 year. in a league i'm in with a prospect list, i drafted Huston Street, knowing that he'd likely be the A's closer the following season, and would mean i could draft one less closer in the regular draft.

2. for a contending team, to maybe give you that something extra that might take you to the title. draft that guy who might contribute THIS year, and call him up at just the right time where he could give you that boost.

personally, i don't think we have enough prospects. i'd like us to have no less than 5. fantasy baseball - more than other sport - requires more in-depth research, and that's why i like it better than the other sports i play.

161

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 14:06

I think it's enough of a pain just making sure I don't pick up other's declared prospects, let alone not be able to pick up "prospect draft-eligible" prospects.

So, contrary to my normal disposition, I think that less is more in this situation.

1) If a manager wants to pick up a player, let him. Nothing I've seen out of this league so far indicates that someone would purposefully add/drop prospect-eligible players just to keep others from selecting them in the prospect draft. Does that mean it can't or perhaps even hasn't already happened? No, but neither (to my knowledge) has it been a problem.

2) I think that limiting an entire category of players (which might actually represent the most intriguing category of players after the regular draft is completed) from the league is very restrictive IMHO.

3) Restricting prospect-draft eligible players will require a fair amount of oversight. Mistakes happen, but it just seems that we're creating a situation where we're actually inviting mistakes to occur.

Having said that, I understand that the original proposal was to restrict add/drops only during the period between the regular and prospect draft, so I think the impact would be relatively small.

In particular I dislike the idea that if you pick up a prospect draft-eligible player that you have to keep that player for the entire season.

We could push the prospect draft back in the season, and then establish a cut off point prior to the draft, after which prospect-draft eligible players couldn't be selected...

Or we could do as rev suggested, which would be to push the prospect draft up, so that it ran after the regular draft, although I think that's a much less attractive option.

Personally, I'd be fine with the idea that if someone engages in suspicious activity, that rev just freezes their team from add/drops for a period of time - say a month. I'd prefer to have a punitive punishment than a presumptive restriction on the entire league.

162

Unemployed
ID: 252201816
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 14:18

It never even occurred to me that taking a prospect eligible player in the regular draft could ruin the prospect draft. There's always some young player we have high hopes for and figure will make the roster out of spring training. If you draft someone like that (in my case David Price) you take on the risk so as long as we can continue to do so I'm good. As for the interim period between drafts a ban on picking up prospect eligible players is fine but I can see myself making that mistake even with it in place. I would like to have the prospect draft start right after the regular draft concludes.

163

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 13:07

I think it's enough of a pain just making sure I don't pick up other's declared prospects, let alone not be able to pick up "prospect draft-eligible" prospects.

you don't look at a guy's stats before you pick him up. you can't look to see if he more, or less, than 300 ABs during the few weeks between the regular draft and the prospect draft?

i see things like this:

1. move keeper declarations from January 31 to March 1. this includes prospect keepers.

2. Run the draft from about March 3 to about March 10.

3. you are more than welcome to call up one of your prospects during the draft - he counts as a draft pick, and it opens up a prospect slot for the prospect draft. this happened in one of my other leagues this season, as Phil Hughes was called up with one owner's final draft pick.

4. Run the prospect draft to begin the monday after the regular draft ends.

really, it's quite simple, and not complex at all..

166

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 00:22

Tree,
I understand what you're saying. Of course it's not so hard to check that type of info, but mistakes will happen (and did at least a couple times even with prospect keepers being drafted in our last draft) and that it's not that big a deal in my opinion. The comment of mine that you cite was sarcastic in nature.

I initially interpreted the reason for this discussion being the idea that rev didn't want people drafting prospects just to keep them out of the prospect draft only to drop them later (while also having no intent of keeping them in the first place), which seemed like a fairly unlikely scenario to play out.

I now believe that he was trying to build a way to preserve the importance and value of the prospect draft, which seems to make more sense in light of his posts.

That said, I'm not a fan of the idea of having players in the FA pool (prospect keepers excepted) that aren't available for general consumption. Having adjacent drafts might be a good solution.

167

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 08:26

I see in post 107 that WG desired to draft Kershaw and in post 109 I mention that Kershaw had been requested and added to OTC's database...and in the prospect post wg mentions that he used Wise as a placeholder(though in the above discussion I see no mention that Wise was the designated spot holder), then in post 113 wg asked if the commish had to make the swap for him. I'll be honest until right this moment while I was sifting through this I did not connect the dots that post 113 was reference to 107 and 109.

With that being said the following is the Commish's ruling subject to league discussion...wg is to remove Wise from his 25 man roster and leave open a spot for Kershaw this is per league rules..."If a drafted player is not found in the Yahoo! data base you will have an empty slot that must be left empty to retain ownership of drafted player."

Let me know what you all think.

168

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 11:04

I agree.

169

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 14:56

sounds like a plan.

170

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 15:10

I'll drop Wise now?

171

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 15:15

yes

172

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sun, Mar 30, 2008, 23:47

Dang. Tonights' game caught me off guard - missed a nice game out of Hudson. Not a good start.

173

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 10:30

Oh your fine blackjack. Nothing to worry about. In fact I think its a great strategy for you. You should bench everybody until the Allstar break.

174

Perm Dude
ID: 420241913
Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 10:32

I'm sure he'll catch Hudson's next start. Which will suck, of course.

175

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 10:55

Nah, I'm pretty sure I'll get the sucky start out of the way tonight, with Ian Snell.

176

Tree
ID: 2033024
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 06:37

guys - i'm out of town friday night until monday night. if we don't get to picking soon, this prospect draft will be on stall for several more days.

177

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 08:10

I've sent out an email this morning, but I'll alos post it here.

I realize that we got off to a rough start yesterday, but there has been no pick since 1533 yesterday afternoon, therefore if there is no pick by 1200 today (wed) a 4-hour clock will start at that time. It will run from 0800 to 2200 (est) each day until the draft is done.

Just send me a queue if your not going to be around.

rev

178

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 08:13

Just heard from Greg, he'll do his best to make a pick this morning.

179

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 12:03

i'd prefer there not to be a clock. like i said, i am out of town for several days at the end of this week. a clock will screw me.

it's a prospect draft, so other than the concern of prospects being picked up as free agents during the draft (which definitely should not be happening), if it doesn't happen rush rush, i don't see what the big deal is.

180

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 12:33

...but a draft that goes more than 12 hours between picks becomes a drag...and I wouldn't have the clock on weekends.

181

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 12:52

that i agree with. and its disheartening.

but to institute a clock because the first few people straggled certainly strikes me as unfair to those of us later on, who now face the reality of missing picks if a clock is instituted because of previous committments and the early pickers taking their time.

182

GolfFreak
ID: 572192122
Wed, Apr 02, 2008, 22:14

Going to Brewers home opener! Gone Friday-Sat!

REV
Will sent you a 3man Q for my 1st pick.

183

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 19:22

Well that didn't take long--straight to the bottom after just 3 days:).

184

Tree
ID: 731344
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 06:57

apparently, i am up again.

185

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 07:49

Tree-I forgot to add in the trade between you and barilko.

187

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 10:32

So am I up?

189

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 11:48

Oops - I suppose there should have been no such thing as pick 1.12. I should have been 1.11 and 2.01, making barilko 2.02. Oh well, hopefully no big deal.

190

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 11:52

I don't think that matters much. I just guessed where I was, knowing I didn't have a first round pick...haha

191

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 12:49

Anyone around that can take my queue? Otherwise I'll just email it to rev...

192

revvingparson
ID: 54292816
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 17:19

Ok, draft is over and prospect list is under commish notes on yahoo league page, so please check before picking some nugget off waivers.

rev

193

revvingparson
ID: 33355194
Sat, Apr 19, 2008, 08:45

called Gallardo up so don't panic that someone grabbed someone's prospect.

194

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Tue, Apr 22, 2008, 09:50

Alfonso Soriano is on the trading block. Simply don't need him. I could use a first baseman, though I'm not commplaining about Todd Helton propping up my BA. Could also use a c-loser.

195

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 09:20

Hey, I realized I could improve at 3rd base too. What do ya know? Blalock was doing fine, but Aramis looks better. After a 2 year layoff, its good to have him back.

196

Tree
ID: 241814
Thu, May 01, 2008, 07:11

need a closer?

yea, it ain't gonna happen for me this year. Cordero had red flags when i drafted him, but he was the best on the board at the time.

Cordero is available for a song. if you've got a DL slot to stash him, might be worth it.

Valverde is also available, for maybe a song and an extra lyric.

together, in a package with each other, in a package with someone else, whatever.

i won't get better in saves, but i can still salvage some other categories, so look at my needs, and make me an offer...

197

revvingparson
Sustainer
ID: 059856912
Sat, May 03, 2008, 07:42

What a week Tulo (at least he wasn't hitting), then Gallardo (lost his keeper spot and now his solid start is gone) just when I thought I had a chance to make some noise...now the only noise is the sound coming out of the balloon. This all added to Kennedy headed to Scranton and Joba the 8th inning wonder...

198

wazaaap_guy
ID: 348197
Fri, May 30, 2008, 12:52

i drafted kershaw and left a spot open for him all year... yet someone else picked him up. can this please be rectified?

199

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, May 30, 2008, 13:31

:P Sorry. I'll drop him ASAP. Also, I'll make sure he's not in my starting lineup tonight.

Question: can my waiver priority be reset?

200

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, May 30, 2008, 16:43

reset your waiver priority? Sheesh. I think waiver priority should be stripped from you forever and I should get your first round pick for the next 2 years.

201

revvingparson
ID: 1423256
Fri, May 30, 2008, 17:03

WG-taken care of and he is now on your team starting with Saturday's games

Art: let me look over your roster before I consider waiver priority:)

202

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, May 30, 2008, 20:47

Khahan, You've got a 12 point lead... No chance. And anyway, the most I'd give up would be a 4th rounder next year and perhaps s 3rd the following... Anything else would be unreasonable! :)

rev, I think I should get special consideration since really all I was trying to do was save wg from Kershaw's performance tonight. Is that so wrong? :)

203

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Jun 02, 2008, 10:06

Hey Allhair..while you are reviewing that, take a look at the trade offer I sent ya.

204

wazaaap_guy
ID: 348197
Mon, Jun 02, 2008, 12:19

Allhair... I appreciate the sentiment, but Kershaw's performance was in line with my team's performance this entire year... you only prevented my team from doing what it does best!

205

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Jun 02, 2008, 22:30

Khahan,

I was actually just about ready to push the button on that offer but then saw the blurb about his D2D injury. I had planned on checking with you about whether your offer would still stand, but didn't get to it and then saw that your offer was gone. If I'd have moved a little faster I could have lived with the guilt, but not after reading that blurb... :)

206

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Jun 02, 2008, 23:22

rofl. yeah. I just checked on the players this evening and read about the injury. Figured for Upton, the injury risk wasn't worth it. I may re-offer if he comes back healthy.

207

Tree
ID: 2355435
Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 07:25

are we still at 6 keepers for next season, or did we up it to 7?

208

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 17:51

wg,

LOL!

209

Khahan
ID: 35530318
Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 19:30

far as I know, we are at 6 next year.

210

Tree
ID: 37545305
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 06:47

is there any interest in the league to possibly vote on eventually increasing to 7?

211

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 10:08

Definitely from me. I feel like I'm struggling every year to trim down my keepers to 6. I know its been discussed and shot down before, though.

212

barilko6
ID: 4052307
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 10:36

I too would be in favor of an increase.

213

Perm Dude
ID: 525173010
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 11:29

Here here! Those of us who are struggling find it harder to do, ironically, with a smaller number of keepers.

214

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 11:41

i agree. i think smaller keepers actually hurt weaker teams more than stronger teams.

that's like four of us right there...

215

revvingparson
ID: 22592919
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 08:03

We still haven't come to a conclusion on post 141, so let's get that settled:)

It has been brought up before that between having 3 prospect keepers, and 4-5-and now 6 keepers that in some ways the draft is being diluted and will become even more so with the addition of another keeper. (Not saying this is my position just reflecting on past argumentations)

216

Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 09:05

It has been brought up before that between having 3 prospect keepers, and 4-5-and now 6 keepers that in some ways the draft is being diluted and will become even more so with the addition of another keeper. (Not saying this is my position just reflecting on past argumentations)

i am in another league where we keep 3 prospects and have SEVEN keepers, and quite frankly, it's not enough, and the talent pool in the draft is still very deep.

217

barilko6
ID: 4052307
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 09:33

Yeah, I would never want to increase the number of prospects for this league, but I do think that there is enough talent to go around to increase to 7 keepers.

218

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 08:11

from post 141:

a) I vote no. I don't think our rosters should be restricted at all by the prospect draft. There are just too many realistic scenarios where a prospect eligible player may jump onto our radar after the regular draft but before the prospect draft.

b) vote yes

c) vote yes

219

barilko6
ID: 4052307
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 08:29

I agree with everything that Khahan posted there.

220

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 08:31

to repeat 141:
A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft, but from the conclusion of the regular draft until after the prospect draft prospect eligible players may not be picked up off waivers.
B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.
C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

from Khahan's post above:
a) I vote no. I don't think our rosters should be restricted at all by the prospect draft. There are just too many realistic scenarios where a prospect eligible player may jump onto our radar after the regular draft but before the prospect draft.

maybe we need to make sure we have the prospect draft immediately after the regular draft.

we'll name keepers, including prospect keepers. this list of keepers may include players that were on our prospect list, but are no longer eligible to remain prospects.

then we'll do the regular draft, we'll do the prospect draft.

221

Perm Dude
ID: 1463718
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 10:30

I agree. That way if someone wants to draft a player who is otherwise prospect-eligible in the regular then they can.

222

wazaaap_guy
ID: 54253410
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 11:28

Just a quick q... Longoria is one of my keepers... do I have to call him up by some point to avoid losing him or anything?

223

revvingparson
ID: 22592919
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 12:29

re:222 If/When he exceeds the prospect threshold numbers by the end of this season you must either name him as one of your keepers for next year or lose him as he'll be pass prospect eligibility.

Let's simply reword "A": Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft. The prospect draft shall commence the day after the conclusion of the regular draft.

By doing this very rarely have I gotten the teams loaded that fast into Yahoo thus avoiding any taking of prospects before the prospect draft.

224

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 15:02

With that change Rev, I vote no just to be a dissident!! j/k

with that change I vote yes to A.

225

wazaaap_guy
ID: 54253410
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 15:57

re: 223
Since he is already at 265 AB there is no reason for me to not call him up right now (or 115 Ab ago... or at the beginning of the year, for that matter), right?

226

revvingparson
ID: 22592919
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 16:57

RE:225
WG 300 ABS is the threshold for batter prospects once Longoria passes 300 ABs he will no longer be prospect eligible.

The only reason NOT to bring him up before 300 is if he gets hurt and does not play the rest of the year.
Can you say Gallardo;( Ouch-I can still feel the pain.

227

Tree
ID: 962095
Wed, Jul 09, 2008, 06:35

bumping this.

i'd like to bring it to a league wide vote in regards to bumping the keepers up to 7, from 6.

228

Tree
ID: 49623115
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 06:26

1. Mike Pelfrey was just picked up by unemployed. i believe that he might actually still be on Wiggs' keeper list.

2. anything more on this issue of moving keepers to 7?

229

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 09:14

he is definately still my keeper

230

Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 11:10

so if our commish could go in and drop him before he plays...

231

revvingparson
ID: 30613811
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 12:48

He has been dropped.

232

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 20:16

So commish, you willing to bring the idea of moving to 7 keepers up for a vote?

233

revvingparson
ID: 146551417
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 07:12

A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft. The prospect draft shall commence the day after the conclusion of the regular draft.

B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.

C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

D) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2010 season.

E) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2009 season.

Just so there's no confusion the difference between D & E is we did not draft this year with the intention of keeping 7 at the conclusion of the 08 season so option "D" allows for a one year delay before implementing 7 keepers so everyone can draft thinking 7 in 2009.

8 votes needed to pass any of the above

234

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 08:14

A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft. The prospect draft shall commence the day after the conclusion of the regular draft.

YES

B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.

when do we declare regular keepers? i think both prospect keepers and regular keepers should be declared at the same time, and i think that should be no sooner than two weeks before the drafts.

C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

yes, presumably this is meant to cover a situation where, say, someone has Carlos Gomez as their prospect keeper, and wants them on the regular roster, instead of drafting Joe Schmoe with the 25th pick, they "promote" Carlos Gomez with that 25th pick.

D) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2010 season.

yes, but only if E does not pass.

E) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2009 season.

Yes. absolutely. we may not have drafted for 7 keepers, but i'm pretty sure every team in this league easily has 7 keepers on their roster.

235

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 08:32

A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft. The prospect draft shall commence the day after the conclusion of the regular draft.

No

B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.

Yes

C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

yes

D) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2010 season.

yes

E) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2009 season.

yes

236

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 08:38

A) Prospects may be drafted in the regular draft. The prospect draft shall commence the day after the conclusion of the regular draft.

Yes

B) Prospects must be declared on/or before the last day of February.

Yes

C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

Yes

D) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2010 season.

Yes if E fails
E) To increase from 6 to 7 MLB keepers starting with the 2009 season.

Yes

237

Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 09:09

A: Yes
B. Yes
C: Yes (though if we run the drafts back to back this would be moot)
D: Yes
E. Yes

238

barilko6
ID: 11624168
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 09:25

Yes to All

239

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 10:19

C: Yes (though if we run the drafts back to back this would be moot)

PD - not entirely. it'll much like how the poli draft works, where if you promote a player from the prospect list to the regular roster during the regular draft, it opens a slot up on the prospect list.

240

Khahan
ID: 1065339
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 12:32

We're over 1/2 way there guys. Just need 3 more yes votes. Lets get 7 keepers declared then start trading again.

241

Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 12:42

Tree: The rule specifically refers to the time between drafts only. If we run the drafts right after each other this time frame goes to zero, making the rule moot.

The promotion of a player outside that specific time frame isn't covered by the proposed rule, IMHO.

242

wazaaap_guy
ID: 54253410
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 13:07

Yes to all.

243

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 13:56

244

Perm Dude
ID: 386551611
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 13:59

I agree. If we're trying to cover other kinds of things with the prospects we'll need to make the rule more clear. I'm not 100% sure on what the goal is so I can't suggest language for it, but it sounds like, once we get that language, the rule is probably going to get passed.

245

blackjackis21
ID: 126471613
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 14:47

Yes to all.

246

Khahan
ID: 1065339
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 15:59

On a technical note, yes PD is right. I guess I read it as the intent was to let us replace anybody called up to our roster betweeen prospect keeper declaration and the prospect draft.

Up to 7. 1 more Y vote.

247

revvingparson
ID: 146551417
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 16:32

C) Any prospect from a teams keeper list that is added to a team's regular roster between the end of the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

Sorry for the confusion should read:
C) Any prospect from a team's keeper list that is drafted to a team's regular roster during the regular draft and BEFORE the prospect draft may be replaced during the prospect draft.

I hope that clears up the intent.

248

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 17:21

in other words, what i said?

if with my 25th pick, i choose to "promote" a prospect to the regular roster, that prospect slot opens up for the draft?

249

Unemployed
ID: 496211619
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 20:21

Yes to all.

250

revvingparson
ID: 146551417
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 21:32

re:248 correct

251

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 22:34

Unemployed makes it 8. Yeah 7 keepers!!!!!!

252

Tree
ID: 44630175
Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 06:31

nice!

253

Tree
ID: 47616215
Mon, Jul 21, 2008, 06:25

Mike Pelfrey is STILL Wiggs' prospect. Blackjack picked him up last night.

254

Tree
ID: 486412821
Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 22:44

hey folks -

can people PLEASE look at the prospect list before picking up someone who is quite likely a prospect.

for the third time in less than three weeks, someone picked up THE SAME PROSPECT that has been posted about here, as well as on the Yahoo site.

PLEASE - look before you leap. if someone like Mike Pelfrey is still on the waiver wire at this point, the odds are pretty good there's a good reason for that.

come on folks.

255

blackjackis21
ID: 166582719
Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 22:56

A belated sorry all and thanks for cleaning up.

256

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 00:11

Hey, Pelfrey is free. Gonna grab him quick before anybody realizes it!

257

Tree
ID: 38633295
Tue, Jul 29, 2008, 06:34

i was thinking of doing the same!

258

Khahan
ID: 1065339
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 11:15

Congratulations to Barilko for winning it all this year. That was a great finish and I did my best to make it interesting (still cant believe that 2 days before the season ends I gained 7 points. Thats a huge gain) but just couldn't hold on.

I think this season for me was summed up in 2 decisions: 1 -not keeping Adrian Gonzalez 2 -Trading Jason Bay for John Maine in the 2nd week. Either one of those would have probably given me the boost in rbi's for another 2points and John Maine didn't do crap for my pitching staff.

Good Job Barilko and good luck next year. I still think I have one of the best keeper bases and am coming out swinging.

259

barilko6
ID: 52612922
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 11:52

Thanks! Luckily I was at a retreat all weekend and wasn't able to witness your huge comeback attempt!

I have a nice set of keepers as well, and look forward to defending my title!

Key moves for me this season:

1. Trading for Pujols who was rumored to possibly miss time this year due to surgery. He was his usual awesome self.

2. Trading John Maine for Jason Bay, which Khahan talked about in his post.

260

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 13:26

Congrats guys, you both did an amazing job this year, and my hats off to you. My team was pretty bad all year and I was definitely in 11th for a while, so I think a 3rd place finish considering that is pretty good.

It's always fun to look ahead at keepers for next year, what are you guys thinking?
Mine currently look like:
Reyes, Kinsler, Longoria, Manny, Halladay, Hamels, and either Bruce, Liriano, or Lester.

261

Khahan
ID: 1065339
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 13:27

Ouch, talk about salt in the wounds. I knew I had made the trade but I forgot it was with you! Alright, now 2009 is a mission. :)

262

barilko6
ID: 52612922
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 13:49

Mine:

Albert Pujols
Alex Rodriguez
Matt Holliday
Alex Rios
Jason Bay
Jonathan Papelbon
Brian McCann

263

Perm Dude
ID: 388372911
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 14:26

I have 9 (!) keepers:

Edinson Voloquez
Tim Lincecum
CC Sabathia
Carlos Zambrano
Carlos Pena
Aubrey Huff
Chipper Jones
Ryan Ludwick
Ichiro Suzuki

Couple guys on the bubble (Soto, K Matsui, B. Lyon). Tough choice next year. Do I start out with an awesome SP core and take all position picks the first 4-5 rounds? Or so I spread the wealth and go with a "best available player" strategy? Hmmm.

264

Tree
ID: 13714198
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 14:59

i really don't know what happened to my team.

i'd finished top 3 four years running, including back-to-back victories in 05 and 06.

i guess my Pujols trade turned out to be a godsend for barilko, but a total disaster for me. oof. looking back at it, i'm like...wow...waht was i thinking?

i did end up with a trade in mid-season that netted me two keepers, but ultimately, this season was an unmitigated disaster for me.

who do i keep?

Teixeira
Markakis
Hamilton
Lee
K-Rod

and then a choice of some young pitchers, or Young, Davis, Zimmerman, Pedroia, Victor Martinez (???) and a few others...ooof..i just don't know.

265

Khahan
ID: 1065339
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 16:59

I'm still looking at a very solid keeper list:

Chase Utley
BJ Upton
Aramis Ramirez
Grady Sizemore
Hanley Ramirez
Clff Lee
Scott Kazmir
Daisuke Matsuzaka

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