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0 Subject: 2008 Rob Minniti Keeper Classic

Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- Leader [01629107] Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 00:27

Welcome back andwelcome to the three new managers. 2007 final rosters (and most other historical info) can be found at the league site.

Last year we left an issue undecided that should probably be settled. It occurred to us that we have no established method for tiebreakers to determine the following year's draft order. There were no ties in the 2007 final standings so it's not an issue of any current importance but we should decide on a method for when it does come up.

Last year I suggested that I'd flip a coin (or have someone else flip a coin if I were involved in the tie). I'll add that to the rules unless there are any other preferences, such as a relating it somehow to final season stats (most HR or fewest innings, for example). Last year fewest GP was also suggested, though I'm not sure how easy that would be to measure.

Any other rules suggestions?
1mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 09:58
Greetings all and welcome to our new managers.

I have no preference on the tiebreaker and am open to suggestions, though a virtual coin flip might be the easiest method.

No new rule recommendations that I can think of off the top of my head.
2MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 10:32
I like alternating after a coin flip on the tie question.
3Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 10:34
Not sure what you mean, MikeV. Alternating?

In case of a 5th place tie, winnier of the flip picks 5th in round 1, loser of the flip picks 5th in round 2 and so on?
4wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 12:32
When are keepers due in this league?
5Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 12:37
End of Feb or early March. Preferably a few days before we start the draft. We should wait a little while before setting a hard date to give everone a chance to see what their schedules look like.
6wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 12:55
ok, i have 2 leagues they are due today, so I just didnt want to miss anything. Thanks man.
7Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 18:50
Is trading open?
8Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 19:24
Trading is open.
9 Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 20:00
That established... everyone on my team is available for trade, except for Carl Crawford. However, I'm not interested in any exchange where I receive more players than I trade away. Like most of us, I imagine, I'd like to condense my keeper-level talent as much as possible. Keep in mind I'm always happy to accept full or partial payment in draft picks.

6 keepers times 12 teams is 70 players kept. So as a quick (tho obviously imperfect) reference, all of the following except Chamberlain and Lincecum fall into the top 70 at Yahoo's Big Board:
Tim Lincecum
Joba Chamberlain
Chris Young (nice stats since the move to SD and still only 27)
Trevor Hoffman
Travis Hafner
Carlos Guillen (dual eligibility at 1b and SS)
Carlos Pena
Joe Mauer
Oliver Perez (OK not on the list but he should be)

Other notable players who might fall short but can be had for a song (gimme a mid-round draft pick)
Mike Lowell
Jeremy Guthrie
10Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 20:29
Hoffman ain't on that list either. That list sucks.

And I forgot to add Derek Jeter. He's available too.
11holt
ID: 360131020
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 09:29
6 keepers eh? perfect. that just happens to equal the number of players on my team that don't stink.
12MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 12:43
Re #3, yes.
13mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:08
I've got too many 1B keepers. Looking for one player of equal value for:

Prince Fielder

or

Mark Teixeira

Preferably not an OF or P.
14 mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:15
email addy for discussion
15mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:01
wiggs, I got your offer, but I seemed to be having a problem sending out emails.

Did you get my reply?
16wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:03
i didnt get any emails.
17mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:11
I'm working on it now.
18wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:16
alright, i am leaving work now. I should be home in about an hour. We have like 2-3 inches of ice across the whole town. It is nasty.
19mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:36
I'm not sure what's happening with my email account. My outbox is full of emails I thought were already sent. I'm receiving email just fine, but can't send, reply, or forward anything.

My son should stop by today or this weekend. He has a much better chance of fixing it that I do.
20Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 17:00
MikeV

Not a big fan of alternating a draft position, though if we continue to use Kaffeinatid it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to set up. I'll wait until after the weekend to see if there are any other ideas and put it up for a vote.
21Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 17:04
Also - I do try to get together a prize pool every year. Usually there has been enough interest to make it interesting but often we have trouble finding someone to agree to keep the pool.

As for a dollar amount, I'd be willing to take part in a pool of anywhere from a $10 to $30 per entrant. Specifically, I'd like to go with the amount that gets the highest number of people involved.
22holt
ID: 360131020
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 17:34
alternating draft pick seems pretty anal. why not just coin flip?

btw, who is Rob Minniti?
23Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:03
We'll put it and any other options up for a vote. At this point a coin flip is my preference.

Rob Minniti is a good friend of mine and Mike DeVaul (Mentors) who lives in Tampa and who in early 2004 got into some absurd but serious legal trouble. After a night of hard partying, he decided to stay in the car while his girlfriend and her friend got a bite in a diner during the wee hours. He left the car to relieve himself and then accidentially climbed into the backseat of the wrong car. The owner came out, found my inebriated and barefoot friend sleeping in his back seat and called the police. Rob was arrested and charged with grand theft auto!

Fortunately the charges didn't stick but he was scared for a time and the episode cost him thousands of dollars. In honor of his episode which was still ongoing, we named the original single-season incarnation of this league the Free Rob Minitti Open. At the time it was made up largely of friends of mine who knew or knew of Rob. The following year mostly the same group was back. That's when we decided to make it a keeper league and expand to 12 teams.
24Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:05
Rob Minniti:

25mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:12
I think alternating draft picks can be done with Kafenatid, but you probably have to make a trade every other round and that's a hassle. I say keep it simple and just flip a coin.

I volunteered to hold the prize pool last year, but as I recall it got put on the back burner and never came to fruition.

I'll volunteer to hold it this year again, but this time I vow to follow through on it.

I'm good for up to 25 bucks, but like MITH, I'll agree to whatever amount gets the most managers involved.
26holt
ID: 360131020
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:18
what a crazy story! At least he'll always have a good story to tell.
:D
27mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:23
wiggs

Did that email answer finally go through? It seems to be working now.



I always enjoy seeing that Free Rob story.
28mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:57
However has the team Fightin' Squirrels, please post an email address. I'd like to discuss a potential trade.
29mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:57
Whoever
30 Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:30
I manage the team hitherto known as the Fightin' Squirrels.

Welcome trade suggestions; but don't expect an answer till Monday.

Toral
31wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:54
mjd i got your email.
32Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 08:59
Only four managers have chimed in on this momentous and crucial discussion about tiebreaking coinflips, all in favor. I think I'll just go ahead and declare a coinflip as the official way we determine a draft position tiebreaker. Any objections?


MikeV has suggested that following the flip, the tied teams alternate draft positions, round by round.

Want to put it up for a vote, MikeV?
33Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 14:37
Sorry guys...will be here daily from now on.
34Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 15:32
Kudos for snagging Toral as a new manager. There is some great great competition.
35Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 16:01
I've worked hard to improve the league to that end. Recruiting you was a part of that effort as well.
36MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:47
I expect that Kafenated already has a feature to alternate picks so I don't see the problem with doing it and it could make a difference in the draft. Why vote, just do it.
37MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:50
Joe, how 'bout setting us up in Yahoo.
38Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:00
MikeV I believe Kaffeinatid will allow me to rearrange picks however I like and if the league prefers your alternating idea I'm ok with the little bit of extra work. But the reason we vote and not just do it is that we should determine whether alternating picks is something that the league does in fact want.

Traditionally I've always been the one to post proposals but the rules are that anyone who wants to propose a new rule is free to do so. So if you'd like to go ahead with a vote on this, either send me an email if you'd like me to post it or you can post it yourself. As the only one so far this year, it would be "2008 Prop 1". Since it's a proposal for a new rule it'll require 8 yes votes to pass.


Re: Yahoo, I'll get the league set up some time today so look for Yahoo invites by tonight.
39Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 16:34
Yahoo is set up and invites should be in your inboxes.
40MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 17:31
Is it a non-snake draft?
41Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 17:35
Since 2006 it's been a straight draft (non-snake).
42Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 17:44
League Rules
43MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:31
Joe, I propose a vote on final standing ties and draft position. Since there has been no objection to a coin toss, we either let the winner pick first every round or pick first the first round then alternate.
44Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:44
OK. Lets call it Prop 1

Just so I'm sure I understand correctly, the proposal is that in the event of a tie in the previous year's final standings, the winner of a coin flip will pick ahead of the loser in odd-numbered draft rounds (starting with round 1) and the loser pick ahead of the winner in even rounds, correct?
46MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 20:26
I see only 2 options, the winner picks first every round or only odd numbered rounds. Vote to decide which.
47Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:01
OK, so the proposal is as I thought in post 44. To clear this up, I'm going to delete post 45.
48Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:04
Crap. I can't delete post 45 because I wrote it from my work computer. Perhaps PD could delete it if he sees this?

Thanks.

I'll send an email to the league alerting them of the proposition.
49Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:12
Email sent.

My vote on 2008 Prop 1 is no.

Sorry, Mike, my preference is to keep it simple.
50Perm Dude
      ID: 413710
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:17
Deleted post 45.

I'm not clear on what this new rule will replace. Is there no rule now regarding ties?
51Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:27
In post 32 I declared a commissioner edict (presuming no objections) stating that a tiebreaker will be determined by a coinflip.

Mike V has proposed alternating the advantage by round. The winner of the coinflip picks first in round 1, the loser picks first in round 2 and so on.
52Perm Dude
      ID: 413710
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:37
Well, you both proposed a coinflip. What seems to be unsaid is whether your proposal would give the advantage to the winner of the coin flip for each round. Is that what you were thinking?

Seems to me to be a real big advantage, if that is the case.
53Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:45
Mike V's proposal is best as a matter of justice. However to administer, it's also a huge pain in the butt.

Before I vote I request the commissioner's opinion on how hard the idea would be to implement.

Toral
54Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:54
The edict is that the coinflip determines a tiebreaker for the purpose of draft position.

Mike's proposal is for the winner of the coinflip to pick first in odd numbered rounds and for the loser to pick first in even rounds.

It occurs to me that it might be more fair to take Mike's proposal as an objection to my edict than a proposal for a new rule.

Lets call it on a majority decision. If we end up with a tie we'll figure something out.

My vote remains no on Mike's proposal, or if you prefer, that we do not alternate.
55Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:59
This group likes Kaffeinatid. So the worst it would be is that I'd have to create 9 trades (1 for every other round in the 18 round draft) prior to the start of the draft. Kaffeinatid would then auto-manage the draft for us in the correctly amended order.

As I said in post 38 I'm fine with a little extra work in setting up the draft if the group prefers it that way.
56mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 22:09
No to alternate.
57Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 22:21
Yes to alternate.
58holt
      ID: 360131020
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 01:05
I prefer to keep it simple. I've been involved in a situation like this at kafenatid and I really didn't like it. it makes a mess out of the draft grid. players selected in a traded draft slot are shown twice on the draft grid. wish I had a screen shot of it.

so my vote is no.
59wiggs
      ID: 6825712
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 08:58
no
60Perm Dude
      ID: 3212788
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 09:27
My vote is yes
61 Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 10:38
I vote no to the edict. Keep it simple...

But I would like to propose a mini-suggestion that we do something a little more fun than a coin flip... like guessing the weight of a player on a random baseball card from a 1987 Topps pack...
62Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 10:40
Nando
I think you mean that you vote no to alternating?
63Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 11:00
Hold on... I need to figure this out in my head...

I want to have the same order in every round. So that is a YES to the edict and NO to the alternating
64 Alex
      ID: 46124810
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 11:24
I vote yes
65Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:04
Assuming a yes vote from Mike V, we have the following tally so far:

Yes: 4 (Mike V, Boldwin, PD, Alex)
No; 5 (Mith, MJD, Holt, Wiggs, Nando)

Still waiting to hear from Want2CDs, Mentors and Toral.
66Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:34
Yes
67Want2CDs
      ID: 59114119
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 10:15
We're voting NO!
68Mike D
      ID: 171151222
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 23:17
NO!
69Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 07:27
That matter is settled. Tiebreakers are determined by coinflip with the winner picking ahead of the loser in each round. This will be added to the official rules as Rule 5a.
70Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 07:52
Any interest at all out there in young phenom Tim Lincecum? I'm having trouble working Joba Chamberlain into my keeper set and I certainly can't keep both young pitchers. You could help me by taking Lincecum off my hands for a draft pick. You could help me more by taking Lincecum plus any of the following in exchange for even just a slight upgrade:

Derek Jeter
Travis Hafner
Carlos Guillen
Carlos Pena
71Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 08:14
Three issues remain open.

The keeper declaration deadline
The draft start date
The prize pool.

Regarding the former two, I like the idea of starting the draft on a Monday. The draft always moves better during the week and loses momentum over the weekend.

I'm eyeing Friday Match 1st (at 11:59pm ET) as the keeper deadline date and Monday March 3rd as the start of the draft.

That's kind of early, though this league has usually began the draft during the first week of March. Does anyone have an issue with that schedule?


Next, this year MJD has again volunteered to keep the prize pool. What kind of interest do we have and how much would interested managers be willing to put up? $25 per team was an amount MJD and I both liked, though we agreed we're best off with an amout that will get the most managers involved.

Anyone?
72 Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 09:52
I would like to again propose that we all buy amazon gift certificates if we're going to do a pool. It's a little more lighthearted than money, but--more importantly--it takes about three clicks and some minimal typing to deliver over e-mail. There's no need for checks, mailings, people forgetting to buy stamps, etc etc. You just click, enter your credit card, and it's e-mailed to MJD. He can then keep it in a separate folder until September, and then forward the e-mails to the winner.
73Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:21
Previously I've found that PayPal works as well but I'm up for an alternative method of payment, especially if it'll get more people involved.
74mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 11:53
I'm happy to collect whatever we decide to do. It doesn't matter to me one way or another. I'm cool with the gift certificates, but their didn't seem to be much interest in them last year.

Seems easy enough, but the league can decide cash/checks/paypal or amazon gift certificates?

I can be ready to declare keepers and draft on the dates mentioned above. I've arraigned my entire March calender for baseball drafts.
75Perm Dude
      ID: 25139138
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 11:56
I'm with mjd: March = "Draft Month"

$25 is fine, but I'll need to send a check.
76MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 12:30
Draft and declare dates are fine with me. I like the gift cert idea.
77wiggs
      ID: 6825712
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 12:59
I will not participate if it is for an amazon gift certificate. I have 0 interest in that.
78Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 12:09
7 managers seem to have some interest in a prize pool, putting aside for now the method of payment.

Anyone else?
79Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 17:27
Not interested in a prize pool.
81Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 18:42
No thanx.
82Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 18:51
6 of 8 responders have indicated some interest. No word from MikeD/Mentors (big surprise there), Want2CDs, Alex and Holt.
83Mike D
      ID: 171151222
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 16:19
I'm down for the prize $$. And I am open for whatever day you want to start the draft.
84Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 08:30
Re the keeper declaration and draft dates, I forgot this is a leap year.

So unless there are any objections:
Your 6 keepers must be posted in this thread by 11:59pm ET on Friday, February 29th.

The draft will become active that weekend, as soon as I finish entering the keepers into On The Clock at kaffeinatid.com.

As always there will be a strictly kept 1 hour time limit during weeknights.
Last year's time limit ran from 7p to 11p ET. Unless anyone takes issue, we'll go with that schedule again.

There is currently no weekend clock. Unless the draft is severely held up during the week
85Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 10:00
Toronto Tories trade:

Justin Verlander SP
Vladimir Guerrero OF
Torii Hunter OF

to

Fightin' Amish

for

David Wright 3B

Toral
86Perm Dude
      ID: 017218
      Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 10:13
Confirmed.

87Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 06:35
I still need to find the time to get my email computer repaired. If I have to I'll use this one but don't want to expose both to e-mail attacks. I also have my ISP switching from insight to comcast this week [further complicating email] so lots of potential for an emergency call to MITH but I'll get this done one way or another.
88Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 07:47
We will use On The Clock again in this league which should help, B.


Also - sorry I haven't set that up and gotten info out yet. Will try to do that today.

89Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 17:16
Please register at On The Clock. Here's our league info:

League ID: 218
League Password: Gooseinthehall
90mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 17:27
mjd trades

Mark Tiexiera

to Holt

for

Chone Figgins
91holt
      ID: 341542412
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 17:48
confirmed
92Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 21:04
Trade Announcement:

Mattinglyinthehall trades Derek Jeter, Chris Young (SD SP) and Tim Lincecum

to Mike V for Johan Santana.
93MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 23:37
Confirmed
94Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 21:35
My six keepers are set:

Johan Santana. NYM.
Carl Crawford. TB.
Travis Hafner. CLE.
Carlos Guillen. DET.
Carlos Pena. TB.
Joba Chamberlain. NYY.
95 Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 17:58
I have some tough decisions to make with my keepers...if anyone would like to make it easier for me, I will be fielding draft picks or a "Kinlan-style" Johan-for-three-dudes trade offers...

Pepper's Ghost is open for trading business!
96Perm Dude
      ID: 56159258
      Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 20:02
I'll be tied up for a few days, and so I'm posting my keepers now:

C.C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (Bos - SP)
Joe Borowski (Cle - RP)
Justin Verlander (Det - SP)
Vladimir Guerrero (LAA - OF)
Torii Hunter (LAA - OF)
97MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 13:14
Keepers:
D Jeter (SS NYY)
B Roberts (2B Bal)
B Abreau (OF NYY)
J Lackey (SP LAA)
C Young (SP SD)
J Bay (OF Pit)
98wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 13:20
Anyone needs a keeper
Chipper jones
Kazmir
or Putz can be had for a draft pick.
99holt
      ID: 341542412
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 14:02
i might be interested wiggs. i'll take a look at it when i get a chance
100Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 14:50
Since you bastards don't seem to like my open-ended message, I will be even more direct...

Troy Tulowitzki
Derrek Lee
Alex Rios
Yovani Gallardo
Felix Hernandez
and
James Shields

...can all be had for the right price... 1-for-2 or 1-for-3 swaps are welcomed
101Mike D
      ID: 431472820
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 21:53
J. Reyes
R. Holliday
R. Howard
A. Soriano
C. Granderson
J. Pappelpaum

102Mike D
      ID: 431472820
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:27
Joe -any interest in the Rob M and the Timothy Leary incident of 2000? I dont see him running for prez...
103Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 11:00
Toronto Tories 2008 Keepers

Garrett Atkins 3B Col
Magglio Ordonez OF Det
David Ortiz 1b Bos
Vernon Wells OF Tor
David Wright 3B NYM
Michael Young SS Tex
104 wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 11:58
Holt any thoughts on that trade. Email me keepers are do tonight.
105Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 13:20
Pepper's Ghost Keepers:

Ryan Braun
Brandon Phillips
Alex Rodriguez
BJ Upton
Dan Haren
Hunter Pence
106 Alex
      ID: 46124810
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 14:48
brahma's keepers

1) Josh Beckett
2) Chad Billingsley
3) Miguel Cabrera
4) Robinson Cano
5) Justin Morneau
6) Chris Young
107holt
      ID: 341542412
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 15:37
sorry for delay wiggs - I e-mailed you.
108wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:54
keeping

Lance Berkman
Grady Sizemore
Manny Ramirez
Brandon Webb
Scott Kazmir
JJ Putz
109holt
      ID: 341542412
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:59
Carlos Beltrán
Mark Teixeira
Miguel Tejada
Gary Sheffield
Aaron Harang
Carlos Zambrano

110 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 23:59
Eric Byrnes OF
Prince Fielder 1B
Carlos Lee OF
Jake Peavy P
Chone Figgins 3B
Russell Martin C
111Wanttwocds
      ID: 401582922
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 23:59

Cole Hamels (Phi - SP)
Roy Oswalt (Hou - SP)
Francisco Rodríguez (LAA - RP)
Chase Utley (Phi - 2B
Ichiro Suzuki (Sea - OF)
Albert Pujols (StL - 1B)
112Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 00:07
That leaves Boldwin. Hopefully I'll get the keepers loaded into On the Clock by tomorrow afternoon.
113Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 00:25
Matt Holliday, OF
Hanley Ramirez, SS
Jimmy Rollins, SS [mi]
Nick Markakis, OF
Víctor Martínez, C
Aramis Ramirez, 3B
114mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 00:25
What is the penalty for submitting your keepers late?....Forfeiture of a first round pick?

;D
115Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 00:48
Got caught up in a 5 hr religious discussion. A man has to have priorities. Pushin it to last day was bad.
116Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 05:53
Boldwin

You haven't registered for On The Clock. Info is in post 89.
117Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 06:53
That just dawned on me at 5:30 in morning waking up with a start. Entered it successfully.

I am going from disaster to disaster. Now I must spend the most important day of the draft away from a computer and hope to participate having family enter choices after phone convo.

Fortunately I will have a fantasy sports friendly family member home today...tho he also favors looong naps on his day off...eeks.
118Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 07:00
If only I could borrow his I-phone...but no, some favors are too much to ask.
119Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 07:12
Toral

I am fascinated by the way you guys are running an auction league auction online. I started my fantasy sports carreer doing auctions but haven't been able to be in one for years. Would love to.
120Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 07:18
Boldwin

It's a lot of fun. We're having to flesh out the rules and iron out some kinks as we go along. by next year I should have a good idea of how these things should run and may start a league myself. I'll make a note to send you an invite.

Toral
121Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 07:20
Thanks, B.

We usually get the draft up and running on a Saturday and don't make it through a full round by Monday so there's a good chance you won't come up today. Weeknights are usually the time for prime activity. Remember we run a strict 1 hour time limit on Weeknights which we do enforce.

And I've been watching that league, too. Was very tempted to join but I knew there was a chance I'd get pulled back into the politics league making 3 leagues for me on the season which is really 1 more than I should be in.
122wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:23
MITH , we dont have a clock tonight right? I am dealing with some family stuff right now and I have not updated everyones keepers. If we are starting today I will try to get away to catch up. Please let me know. Also do you still have my cell number?

Thanks
wiggs
123Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:24
Wiggs

Clock won't start until Monday at 7pm ET. I have your cell unless you've changed it since fantasy football drafting season.
124mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:31
Looks like the clock is running, MITH.
125Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:31
Draft Discussion: HERE
126wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:42
no, it is the same. Thanks man. I am out of here for a while. I will check back asap.
127Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:03
OK here it is. It comes a bit later than I cared to get it out but I've been busy since the draft finished. It's also a bit wordier than I cared to make it but manay of you already know I'm not the most skilled writer:

2008 Prop 2 -- The addition of a prospect keepers to the league

Each preseason immediately following the primary draft, we will conduct a second "Prospect Draft."

To be eligible for the Prospect Draft, a player's major league career must have compiled fewer than:
150 at bats, 50 innings pitched and 20 games (as a pitcher).

The draft will be a straight (non-snake) format totaling four rounds or however many rounds are necessary for each team to possess 4 total prospects. No team may possess more than 4 total prospects at any time, meaning that some teams may not participate in every round of a draft, depending on how many prospects are kept from the previous year. The draft order will be the same order as the primary draft. Drafted prospects will remain on the manager's Prospect Roster until they are promoted to the primary roster, released or traded away.

Once a player has been added to a team's primary roster, that player has lost his status as a prospect for as long as he remains the property of that manager. Should that player not be kept by any team in the following preseason and also remain under the Prospect Draft Eligibility Limits listed above, he may be selected once again in the Prospect Draft.

A player will retain his status as a prospect until he is promoted to the primary roster or passes one of the Prospect Thresholds:
800 at bats, 300 innings pitched or 90 games (as a pitcher).

A manager has 7 days after his player reaches one of the Prospect Thresholds to promote him to his primary roster. After 7 days the (now) former prospect becomes a free agent and may be picked up by anyone.

A manager may choose to retain rights to a player as a prospect beyond those thresholds by declaring him an Extended Prospect. In doing so, he sacrifices one of his other prospect slots (be it filled or vacant). If all of his prospect slots are filled at that time, the manager must promote or release one of his other three prospects. If one of the slots is vacant because the manager had already promoted (or traded away) one of his prospects, the manager does not lose a prospect but it is understood that he no longer possesses that vacant slot.

An extended prospect will be granted an additional 500 at bats, 180 innings and 50 games beyond the initial Prospect Thresholds.

A manager may also choose to further continue extending a player's prospect status or declare the extension of another prospect, as long as he has a slot to sacrifice.

For the purpose of sacrificing a slot, an extended prospect only couunts as one slot. For example, if a manager has 2 normal and one Extended Prospect with no vacant slot, he may not extend the status of both his normal prospects by sacrificing his Extended Prospect.
It's early enough in the preseason that I believe we can vote on this measure and (if it passes) conduct a 4 round draft in plenty of time for the start of the season. I heard from most of the league on preferences for prospect rules either in the draft discussion thread or via email or in person and believe this is a compromise that takes as many preferences into account as possible. If the measure fails to pass, we can shelve the idea for now and revisit next preseason.

I should also note here that next season I plan to propose the addition of 1 bench slot to our teams to help accomodate the promoting of prospects.


I vote YES in favor of 2008 Prop 2.
128Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:32
Yes

Suggestion (I think this can be done without a revote):

A manager has 7 days after his player reaches one of the Prospect Thresholds to promote him to his primary roster. After 7 days the (now) former prospect becomes a free agent and may be picked up by anyone.

There are different ways of counting "7 days". Add an example so we can see exactly how you count it. Something like, "Joe Prospect pitches his 300th inning on Wednesday, April 2, 2008. He may be picked up by any manager as a Free Agent on [Wednesday, April 9/Thursday, April 10.]"

Toral

129Perm Dude
      ID: 58257128
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:36
If you don't mind a question before I vote: What if the prospect hits his threshhold on, say, the last day or two of the season? Presuming that we can't pick up players after the season ends, what happens?

Seems to me a lot of prospect-level players will be getting extended looks in September, making it likely a number of these players will be piling up the AB/IPs as we near the time when they can't be added to the rosters.

pd
130Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:37
For the sake of argument lets specify that as to mean "after 7 days have passed". If Joe Prospect pitches his 300th inning on April 2nd (after midnight still counts as April 2nd) then 7 days must pass before Joe is a free agent, meaning he can be picked up on April 10th.
131Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:41
PD
The 7 day grace period will not carry over through the offseason. In preseason, the manager will have the option of dropping him or carrying him as either an extended prospect or as a keeper.
132Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:42
That is... In the following preseason, the manager will have the option of dropping him or carrying him as either an extended prospect or as a keeper.
133Perm Dude
      ID: 58257128
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:44
OK, thanks. So the "7 days" is 7 in-season days, then. That helps.

With that clarification, I vote YES.
134holt
      ID: 341542412
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:29
I'll wait to view any possible arguments for or against this before voting.
135Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:36
1. I'm quite happy with the specifications in 130 and 131. What is most important is that the interpretations, whatever they are, must be recorded in some place other than this thread and be easily accessible. If they are not to be part of the rules, let them be put on the website along with the rules as Official Interpretations, Rule Annotations, Rule Clarifications, Commissioner Edicts, or whatever you want to call them.

2. Probably best to refer to the day on which a player hits the threshold as "Wednesday, April x, 200x (Yahoo! day)" or some such thing.

Toral
136Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:43
They will be incorporated into the current official rules listing, as will the passing of Prop 1 from last month.
137wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:57
Yes for the vote
138mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:39
I vote YES in favor of 2008 Prop 2.
139 Nando
      ID: 3213889
      Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 16:33
I would like to vote NO to this, and it basically boils down to the thresholds being too high, not because I am opposed to drafting prospects.

Part of the skill involved in a keeper league is judging who to keep and who to let go. I had to part with Josh Hamilton, Felix Hernandez, and three other players who went the in the first round off my roster from last season. They would have qualified as prospects under these rules, and I would have had a much better team. But I like the fact that I had to let them go. If we have a roster that could potentially have all the regular keepers, plus two guys who have 1200 at-bats--there's not real fun in that. 1200 at-bats is a lot for a guy; it's basically giving you someone through their first three seasons. What I'd propose is for the thresholds just to be flipped. Instead of the super-prospect numbers being an additional 500/180/50, I think these should be the over/under point. THEN, we extend it to 800/300/90 for the two extra slots. Look at it like this: the guy can still be shifted to your list of regular keepers--it's not like you have to put him back out in the wild. If he's that good, then it will just make it a tough choice for you. But if we keep the thresholds that high, you're going to see teams being able to hold onto all their keepers as well as a Hamilton and Hernandez for this season and possibly even through 2010, depending on how they perform this year. At the 800 AB/300 IP mark, you should make the guy an actual keeper--he is beyond a prospect. Plus, we don't have contracts for keepers, so you get that prospect as long as you'd like. And this is why I am voting no.
140MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 19:30
I like Nando's point

No
141Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 19:42
To advance the debate -- how far would the thesholds have to be lowered for you to vote "Yes"?

Becuz I feel I'm a guest here. If the original folks in the league are against any such plan I oppose it, even if it could command a majority.

One disagreement with MITH -- if the league agrees that there should be a prospect system but can't hammer out the details, we don't need to decide immediately. It's quite possible to have a prospect draft in mid-season -- actually I prefer it them -- during the All-Star break.

Toral
142Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:31
Like I said, the parameters I worked out are a compromise. If we can pare down the thresholds to an area that more managers find palatable then obviously we're better off.


I might be OK with a draft at the All Star Break this year but going forward I'd want it to occur right after the primary draft and before the league is activated at Yahoo.
143Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 21:11
I should add that I'm not opposed to lowering the thresholds to Nando's suggested limits: 500/180/60 (I tweaked the games threshold by 10).

An extended prospect would get an additional 300/120/40. A Triple-Extended-Prospect (where the manager would have to sacrifice all three of his other prospects) would allow for 1400/520/180.

Some players who enter 2008 under those limits:
Hanley Ramirez
Prince Fielder
Curtis Granderson
Justin Verlander
Nick markakis
Corey Hart
Erik Bedard
BJ Upton
Troy Tulowitzki
Jon Papelbon
Takashi Saito
Rickie Weeks
Dan Uggla
Scott Kazmir
Bobby Jenks
Rich Hill
Chad Billingsley
144Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:41
I vote against any farm system whatsoever.

Until I see anything that allows me to take an extended look at a special prospect at an escalating real cost.

I had to decide between dropping Aramis and Bedard. No way anyone moves from prospect list to real keeper list. Guys just don't outperform Aramis or Bedard their first year. I remind you Arod and Justin Upton averaged about .220 their first year.

I suggest we:

Reduce prospect slots to 3

Get to take extra years look at a prospect at the cost of losing a prospect slot each year we take an extra look.
145Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:49
I really really don't think tinkering with thresholds is the fix. Something more along the line of dynasty leagues where each year you hold them they cost an extra 5 bucks, only we don't have cash so make it slots that we spend.
148Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 08:45
Baldwin of course I encourage everyone to vote their mind. In fact when Nando told me he had some issues with the proposal but would vote yes anyway, I convinced him to vote against and explain his issues.

But I have trouble with where you're coming from. You wrote:

I vote against any farm system whatsoever.

Until I see anything that allows me to take an extended look at a special prospect at an escalating real cost.


and:

Reduce prospect slots to 3

Get to take extra years look at a prospect at the cost of losing a prospect slot each year we take an extra look.


Aside from reducing the prospect roster to 3 (not sure of your resaoning behind that) your expressed preferences are what I have proposed here. In fact my proposal is entirely based on your suggestion of removing a prospect slot for each year after a player passes a threshold.

The reason I changed it to extended statistical thresholds in the proposal (rather than your idea for "another year") is that hard stats seem less arbitrary. Presumably you meant the player gets extended prospect status for 1 year from the date his extended prospect status was declared. My opinion was that hard stats are a fairer measure than a specified number of months. An extended prospect could get injured or be sent back to the minors or could be in a plattoon situation and that time spent not compiling major league stats every day would not count against his status on your prospect roster.

If you did in fact mean the first two lines of post 144 and were referring to your suggestion in the other thread as an acceptable format as opposed to my proposal, honestly, Baldwin, I cannot see how extended prospect status being measured in 1 year of real time vs it being measured in complied statistics is the diifference between your finding this acceptable and not.

In fact, Baldwin, even the scaled down proposal in post 143 here is likely in many cases (probably most cases) to be more generous than your original suggestion from post 68 in the draft discussion thread. You floated your 1 year extension idea after initial thresholds of 150ab and 80ip. Rickie Weeks had his 150th career at bat on May 16th, 2004. 7 days later you could have made him an extended prospect, sacrificing a prospect slot and making him good until May 23rd, 2005. Seven days after that date you would have then sacrificed another prospect slot and made him a double-extended prospect, securing him untiil May 30th, 2006. Seven days after that date (remember this is under your suggested plan) you could have declared him a triple extended prospect, which would have meant you would have had to call him up on June 6th, 2007. You would then have been forced to decide whether to make him one of your 6 primary keepers for the 2008 season.

Under the scaled down version of my proposal, Weeks enters the 2008 season still 260 at bats shy of the final threshold available to him. My way, Weeks gets to live on your prospect roster at least a full year after he has to be called up under the terms of your suggestion.

Perhaps you should read through this again?
150Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 11:12
I will read it again tonite. You are right. I didn't understand it the first read.
151Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 12:00
With Baldwin presumably pulling back his vote for now the tally stands at 5-2 in favor.

The initial parameters are still the proposal that we are voting on. Having spoke with two other managers who have not yet voted but I think will vote in favor, it looks like the measure has a pretty good chance to pass.

Whatever the outcome, I'm going to poll managers again to see if they prefer the parameters in the original proposal or those in of Nando's suggestion (which I altered slightly). I'm just fine either way so as far as I'm concerned my priority is to keep the highest number of managers happy.
152Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 14:08
I'm quite happy with Nando's thresholds as amended.

Yes I like high thresholds-- but they don't have to be that high (as high as in the proposal).

500/180/60 is fine by me (although I think 50 is better than 60. 60 seems way too high to fit with the other two IMO.)

I don't like the whole Extended Prospect stuff -- but if somebody else wants it, so be it.

Toral
153Alex
      ID: 46124810
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:51
I vote yes on prospect draft as outlined by Joe.
154Want2CDs
      ID: 59114119
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:16
We vote yes as well. However, we wouldn't be opposed to a three-round prospect draft, but that is just because of our lack of knowledge on the subject. We're in either way.
155mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:29
Not changing my yes vote, but I wouldn't mind lower thresholds.
156Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 09:40
Tally is 7-2, with Mike DeVaul, Holt and Baldwin left to vote. Mike is having computer trouble at home and cannot access the forum from work but has told me that he'll vote no because he prefers to see the league remain casual.

I think it would help if everyone weighed in on whether you porefer the original proposal (800AB/300IP/90G with extensions of 500/180/50) or Nando's suggestion (500/180/60 with extensions of 300/120/40). Also please note whether switching to Nando's suggestion would change your vote (whether you have voted yes or no).

Currently I don't have a preference for either threshold. Changing to nandos suggestion would not change my YES vote.
157holt
      ID: 341542412
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 05:39
I'm not opposed to having prospects as long as the rules are clear and well thought out. I guess my vote is yes and preference is the stricter "nando" thresholds.
158Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 10:23
We have a prospect system. Still no official votes from Mike D and Baldwin.

Do enough prefer Nando's thresholds to the initial proposal?
159mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 13:56
I prefer Nando's thresholds.
160MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 17:33
I like Nando's idea
161Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 17:39
MikeV would those thresholds change your vote to yes?
162MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 19:15
Yes
163Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 12:58
The final vote tally on Prop 2:
Y: 8 – Mith, Toral, PD, Wiggs, MJD, Alex, Want2CDs, Holt
N: 3 – Nando, Mike V, Mike DeVaul
DNP: 1 – Boldwin

I’m going with the amended Nando thresholds over that in the original proposal on the grounds that every manager who stated a preference between the two chose Nando's version.

We'll call it a commissioner edict, something I'm a touch uneasy with but I think it's necessary at this point. Many of our league members are not gurupies who check this site with any regularity and I'm getting the sense that some might be getting a little frustrated with how this process has drawn out. Remembering this is supposed to be a fun, leisure activity, I think it best to nudge it along in the direction it is headed in. Of course I invite anyone with an issue with my edict to speak up. If necessary we can conduct a formal "rule change" vote to determine which threshold system we go with.

Incidentally, if we held such a vote and everyone who stated a preference for Nando's system voted accordingly, they would make 5 of the needed 8 votes. I would be the 6th and two of the remaining 6 managers (none of whom have specified a preference) would have to vote for Nando's system to make it official.

Lets start the draft at noon EST on Wednesday. I'd like to start it sooner but I'm sure that at least some managers won't spend much time on line this holiday weekend and could use a couple of days afterward to set aside some time to research.

The only prerequisites needed for a player to qualify for the prospect draft are that he must have amassed fewer than 150 Major League at bats, 50 Major League innings pitched or 20 Major League games (as a pitcher). As long as none of those limits have been exceeded, a player is eligible, be he (or she) a minor leaguer, a player in a foreign league, a college player, a high school player, or in kindergarten.
164Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 13:09
A couple of other items regarding the active yahoo league. Since the league has been active for more than a week now and since some prospect draft eligible players have been picked up via free agency, I don't think it right to prohibit that practice through the end of the draft.

But I will prohibit the practice of dropping a player from one's primary (Yahoo) roster right before your prospect draft pick and then scooping that player up for your prospect roster.

This is also commissioner edict though I won't bother to codify it because future prospect drafts will be held right after the primary draft and before the league is activated, preventing both practices.
165Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 13:44
For help researching prospects, there are more than a few good resources on the web.

RotoWire is a paid subscription site with that keeps up a "top 100" list of prospects and also reports on all players, including prospects.

Baseball America is also a paid subscription site deals almost exclusively with prospects. They're pretty popular but I've never subscribed and I'm not extensively familiar with their content.


Some free options:
Sports Fanatics Future Fantasy Baseball Prospects has a top 50 listing of players with 2008 and 2009 MLB ETA (ETA is the year they expect a player to reach 130ab/50ip and lose MLB rookie status). They also have a seperate top 10 on the same page for players with 2010 ETAs.

Several interesting lists at moundtalk.com, including their reporter's top 100 prospects, the top 100 prospects as voted by moundtalk.com readers and their top 10 prospects by team.

For more complete minor league stats listings, baseball-reference.com has minor league listings now. Just type the player's name in the search field in the upper right.

And of course there's the Official Site of Minor League Baseball.
166Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 14:09
I will create a Prospect Draft Thread on Monday. Holt is free to kick off the draft with the first overall pick at any point after that. There won't be any time limit but I request that once the draft officially starts at noon on Wed that managers keep up and pick with the same promptness that you would in the primary draft.
167mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 19:29
Just making sure that I get this right.

Rasmus was recently dropped by the same manager who just picked him in the prospect draft.

But I will prohibit the practice of dropping a player from one's primary (Yahoo) roster right before your prospect draft pick and then scooping that player up for your prospect roster.

What's the time frame that allows this move, if in fact it is OK?

I have no real problem with it, I just want to make sure I understand the rules clearly.
168Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 19:54
Yeah I'm realizing that was a bit sloppy on my part and I going to have to just leave that up to league discretion. Since I see that some prospect draft eligible players have been dropped since the league activated and even since I posted #164, I don't think it right to change the edict at this stage to something more easily policed. I'll just urge managers, going forward, to drop a player at least one full round (12 picks) before picking him up for himself.
169mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 20:14
Thank's for the clarification.

I'm OK with that.
170Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 13:43
For anyone waiting by their machine to pick, I have a feeling Want2CDs might be held up until tomorrow.
171mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:08
Does Nolasco qualify as a prospect?

He's pitched 161.1 innings in 40 games according to Yahoo.
172Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:15
Good catch mjd. Nolasco isn't eligible for the prospect draft.
173mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:17
I'm semi paying attention. I didn't see him on any of my lists.
174Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:24
Damn--my bad. I had the incorrect number of IP allowed for the prospect threshholds. Will repick in a sec.
175Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 14:25
fixed
176Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:13
Wiggs texted me from dinner, says he should pick in about 2 hours.
177Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 15:06
Boldwin
Maybin was dropped by Perm Dude on Monday.
178Perm Dude
      ID: 4222288
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 15:08
Yup. Should be free and clear for drafting.
179holt
      ID: 341542412
      Tue, Apr 01, 2008, 21:10
how many prospects does each team get? I thought it was only 3.
180Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Apr 01, 2008, 21:24
4. This is the last round.
181holt
      ID: 341542412
      Tue, Apr 01, 2008, 22:56
sorry for the delay. it says 4 rounds right there in the draft thread.
: /
182Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 11:53
Wiggs says he'll make his pick this afternoon, sometime after 3p.
183mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 20:39
I just noticed that my prospect Carlos Gomez was just pick up as a free agent by another team.
184Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Apr 03, 2008, 21:25
Got it.

Everyoen should try to remember to check the prospect list before adding any young players from the free agent pile.
185holt
      ID: 341542412
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 05:22
ug. where is the prospect list kept? I'm guessing this won't be the first time I pick up a prospect.
186Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 07:15
For now use the draft thread. I'll put something together.
187mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 08:35
Joe, maybe once the prospect draft is over, post the list on the Yahoo site. It'll be right there when managers are looking for a FA and they won't have to come back here to find the list.

Maybe post a link on the league history site and save them for posterity.
188Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 09:00
Will do.
189mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 09:45
Looks like it happened again. Doesn't Cueto belong to Nando?
190Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 09:57
Fixed.
191Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 11:21
There is now a list of owned prospects in the "commissioner's note" section at the league page at Yahoo.
192Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Apr 08, 2008, 12:07
I've updated the official league rules to include the new coin flip tiebreaker (Rule 8) and the prospect system (Rule 9).

Rule 9 is rather unweildy and I was tempted to rewrite the whole official rules and incorporate the prospect system more smoothly within but decided to keep the old format since it'll be much easier to keep track of the evolution of the rules system under the current format.
193mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Apr 08, 2008, 13:27
Called up prospect Carlos Gomez.
194Boldwin
      ID: 29324147
      Mon, Apr 14, 2008, 11:47
test
195holt
      ID: 341542412
      Thu, Jun 12, 2008, 21:23
uggla and giambi for kemp and cano? are there draft picks included with that?
196Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Jun 12, 2008, 22:34
Nope. I agree it's a big boon for Xander in the short term. I get over come offseason.
197mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 13:28
I thought wiggs trading for ARod was a bold move. If his pitching can hold up to the loss of Kaz, he will be tough to handle.

Good one, wiggs.
198wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 13:56
thank you, not sure it was the best move, but it was nice to get AROD.
199holt
      ID: 341542412
      Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 18:34
if wiggs takes over first place with godzilla still in his lineup I'm going to go dunk my head in a water tank, and leave it there.
200Baldwin
      ID: 13057258
      Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 15:54
Bump

We should get a head start seeing how we are set at commish for the new season.
201 Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 17:01
Confirming that I won't be returning. Feel free to contact me for any records.
202wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 17:07
I would like to continue with this league and would be willing to commish if we need someone.
203Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 18:55
Interested in continuing.
204Perm Dude
      ID: 210182619
      Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 21:07
Ditto.
205wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 10:02
I need to reconsider my offer to commish this league. I will still like to play and I would be more then willing to help with the draft and the queues if needed, but I just dont think I will have the time to run the whole thing. Sorry about the retraction.
206Baldwin
      ID: 1904278
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 15:28
Understandable, Wiggs.
207holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 00:03
hey guys - It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to play in this league this year. I have two other slow drafts scheduled (ribc and dirty dozen) and I'm concerned about whether I'll have enough time available to handle those two properly. I guess I could just build a massive a queue and let it ride but I really don't want to half-ass it like that.
208wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 13:08
any word on if we are continuing this league?
209Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 13:21
Since we need to get going on this...what we need to do obviously is to determine the desires and intentions of the original core of Mith's friends in this league, who no doubt are not even following this thread. They may have a presumptive commissioner in mind, they might not be interested in continuing at all, they might all be waiting for someone to pick up the baton and begin leading, they might want to boot us RotoGuru folks and replace us with others from among their buddies...we have no way of knowing.

Unless someone suggests otherwise, I'll e-mail Mith and ask for his suggestions in this regard unless he pops in and answers this question himself.

Toral
210Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 14:16
Just sent an email to Toral with email addresses for everyone and my assessments on which of the non-gurupies might care to continue. Fell free to contact me for any more info, my email is in post 201.
211Stealth
      ID: 281251310
      Mon, Feb 16, 2009, 17:47
Hello FreeRob'ers,

I'm starting a new league and invite all to apply. We're looking for competitive managers who plan to play a new keeper league for many years. We will be structuring things a little different so I put together this invitation letter to explain it better and not take up so much room on this board. We have 3 available spots and wanted to offer it to you first.

If you are interested, please send me an email, with the subject line "RotoAKI Application" and you will be seriously considered for one of the available slots.

Thanks,
Stealth
matthew@necroto.com
212Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 10:53
No replies to my e-mail to the original Rob Minniti core group so; carrying on would involve recruiting about 7 players so unless someone has a better idea I would consoder this league dead.

R.I.P.

213wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 11:47
thats too bad- I really enjoyed this league.
214MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 14:50
I share your sentiments. It was a very good league.
215 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 15:53
Never got an email regarding reformation of this league. It's
always been a favorite of mine and would have played this year if
it continued.

Sad to see it end. I'm an original member and after the
controversial way it ended, I would have enjoyed attempting to
win it without the controversy.
216Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 17:23

mjd, by all means try to resuscitate it, if you want. I would still think it possible. Main problem is that that original Rob Minniti folk had the weakest keepers, therebyt making it hard to recruit.

What is the "controversial way it ended"?

BTW you never checked in for the league and so were part of the problem, not the solution. In the Toral history of league you are villain. You show up a month after people have tried to save something and imply that things would have gone better if you were there.

Bullshit.

Toral
217mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 20:50
Typical response by you. I should know better than to respond
to any post you are involved in.

Obviously, if you are unaware of the controversial way the
season ended, you're the clueless one.

Sorry my health issues prevented me from checking in. I never
received an email. And I never implied anything in my previous
post.

BTW, don't forget to abuse your moderator privileges to tone
down your vitriol, so you don't look like such an idiot just like
you did in the RIFC AAA league we were in this past year. Even
our commish emailed me to ask what your problem was.

This this the final post of yours I'll be responding to until you
get your medication adjusted.




218 Boldwin
      ID: 581202816
      Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 18:57
My e-mail had changed so I never received it.

I have this thread imported to my favorites but was actually afraid to check it sometimes, knowing that without MITH it was almost certainly dead.

I'm really gonna miss this league, the great competition and my great keepers...ouch.

I would be willing to commish if I thot I could, but I don't have the historical documents to handle it, I don't think. Perhaps if someone dug around our past threads and the official league site...[i think we have something like that somewhere] they just might possibly be able to do it but I cringe at the thot of just what that might entail.

BTW for those without the history with Toral, he's a great guy, well rounded and intelligent, a great talented manager, but if you strike him as a fool he will not suffer on an evening he is feeling cranky he just loses all restraint. On the whole his plusses outweigh his minuses by tons but you'd have to have gotten to know him better. I'll apologize for him and greatly regret possibly losing any connection with him.
219Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 19:40
The e-mail was sent to the original Rob Minniti core players, Baldwin, not to those who had already indicated their intentions in this thread, including yourself.

The documents for the league aren't difficult to find, nor is getting a commish an insoluble problem. The problem is that with the departures we would be looking at recruiting 6 or 7 or 8 new managers (I forget the number). If anyone wantes to take that on by all means have at it.

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