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Subject: RIBC AAA PCL Draft Discussion

Posted by: GoatLocker - Leader [060151121] Tue, Feb 26, 2008, 18:55

A new thread for the Draft Discussion since we have now started.
Will also get a Rationale Thread up, and we can kick it off when pick 3.01 is made.

As was already pointed out in the other thread, it does work better to do the rationale before you make your next pick.
If we do need to skip people on Rationale's, please put a place holder post in place.

Cliff

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 17:41

Well, we've gotten a little way.
I will turn the clock on tomorrow.

Cliff

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:21

Sorry for the delay, couldn't get away from classes long enough to check. I will leave a queue of course once our clock gets going.

Donkey Hunter
ID: 521392112
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 06:52

I will be without internet until about 5-6 pm tonight. I have made a short queue available but I don't anticipate any of the players still being around when it gets to me. Just wanted to give you guys the heads up so you dont kill your f5 button if it gets to me before that.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 07:26

I turned on the clock at 6 hours.
Pause is 1-7AM Eastern Time.
Obviously you can still pick when the clock is paused.

I'm getting ready to walk out of my hotel room to my meeting.
I've set my queue, and I know there is enough to cover round 3.

Probably not round 4, but should be back in 9 or 10 hours.

Cliff

filthy
ID: 186293016
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 09:37

gonna give it an hour or so before i do any place holders in the rationale thread.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:04

I'm ready to place my rationale too filthy, so if you do placeholders, just go to my spot and I'll add mine.

filthy
ID: 186293016
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:56

k im an idiot, forgot about those rationales, gonna post mine now though

Donkey Hunter
ID: 521392112
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:06

I will pick in the next ten minutes or so. Sorry for the delay. Ichiro finished my queue ofjust two picks before it got to me.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:12

All,
As the commish I see all queues.
So, if you make it available, all of your DPs plus myself will be capable of making the pick.

Cliff

weykool
ID: 21532811
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:29

I was surprised to see Ichiro fall to me.
I was thinking about trying to trade up for him this morning.....but glad I waited.

Donkey Hunter
ID: 521392112
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:38

He was in my thought process for my last pick 26 picks before he went.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 04:28

I almost took him over Aramis, but I already had a SB demon so I passed and took the SLG instead.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:41

Do you want late rationales here or in the rationale thread?

filthy
ID: 186293016
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:30

I am ready to pick and post rationale once the timer runs out. Half an hour to squeeze some rationales in before I start placeholding.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:45

yeah I'm here and ready to pick as well

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:51

I am too.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:52

And cliff told me to pick for him when he's up as well so we should get through the next 4 picks quickly

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 13:22

Thanks for all of the place holders

filthy
ID: 186293016
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 13:31

well, I needed something to do between picks, might as well keep the rationale fire alive.

now I will just have to painfully watch my queue disappear.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 16:36

Put the late Rationales here, and we can get a moderator to move them over.

I'm back home, so should be able to get off of the queue and make my own picks.

And, will be watching so that I can make picks as needed.

Cliff

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 23:29

Anyone want to swap picks for #5.12?
Not seeing anyone I really like that I dont want to reach for.
Send me an offer if you are interested.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 10:33

I have someone in mind for my 5.12 pick but will give it 20-30 mins to see if someone wants to trade picks here.

Nerfherders
ID: 64532914
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 14:57

The draft is moving along pretty nicely. Looks like it will get back to me before I will return to the internet tomorrow so I left a queue available to those on my end of the draft.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 06:13

Once again if you are interested in trading up for the current pick at 6.05 send me an offer.

Nerfherders
ID: 64532914
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 18:11

I'm back so I turned my queue off.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 10:00

Headed to work.
Will check in a bit.

We need to try to pick up the time between picks a little if we can.

Cliff

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 10:48

Shouldn't we go back to a 4 hour clock now that we are during the week again?

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:19

I would be in favor of the shorter clock.

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:19

I thought we were on a 4 hour clock.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:26

We were on one, but goat changed it for the weekend.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:33

It seems we are well ahead of pace.

Frankly I would rather things slowed down a bit to allow us to see more games to get information on players trying to earn a spot on the roster of a starting job.

I vote for no clock.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:53

We are well behind pace.
Picks Made 100 Time Per Pick 1:52:13 Picks Left 300 Projected Finish 03/26/08 09:54:14 pm

By my figures, we need to be done sometime on 22 March to be able to run the WW.

We aren't anywhere near making it unless we speed things up.

My plan was to start with 6 hours, which is what RIBC will be doing, and then shift to 4 if need be.
I'm going to see how we do today, but if things don't pick up, will change to 4 and leave it there for the rest of the draft.

Cliff

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:56

Tough pick there for me with Oswalt.
Very surprised to see him available in the 7th round, but I guess like those of you who passed on him, I'm not that high at all on him this year.
Declining K rate, a big increase in WHIP, and his numbers away from home last year were terrible. However, a positive is that I feel he has a better chance to have a good, solid year over some of the younger and more unproven pitchers. Hopefully that knuckleball he's been working on helps!

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 12:08

I'd also like to point out that the other AAA league started a few days after us and is about to pass us pretty quickly at this rate.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 12:41

How many of the picks have gone over 4 hours that a shorter clock would have made a difference?
More to the point.....how much time would we have saved if we had a 4 hour clock.
As we get closer and we need to meet the deadline I think we can adjust things more easily by making better use of DP's.
A shorter clock will do little to move things along but could mean missed picks.
I just think it is too early to panic right now.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 12:54

I agree that a shorter clock isn't the answer, but what is missed in Cliff's draft analysis is that most picks seem to be made within 45 min, but a few of us are taking almost all of there time when on the queue slowing up the draft.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 13:05

I believe off the top of my head, that we have had 4 since the clock started go over the 4 hour period.
I have no problem leaving it at 6 for another couple of days, but I would hate seeing us have to get drastic at some point in time.
At some point, people need to start using queues when they can.

Cliff

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 13:27

Goat you're up if you see this

weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 18:22

I will be home in about two hours to make my pick.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 19:25

Heading home in a few.
Will check where we are at then.

Cliff

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:10

Based on the discussion earlier, I'm going to leave the clock at 6 hours for right now.

But, we all really need to work at speeding this draft up.

Picks Made 108 Time Per Pick 1:48:52 Picks Left 292 Projected Finish 03/26/08 12:55:12 am

We've gained just a little from what I posted in 44.

I'll continue to monitor and keep everybody informed of where we are at.

Cliff

I hate philadelphia
ID: 430482218
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:51

Anyone looking to trade down? I'm looking to move up a few picks.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 01:39

#54
Send me an offer.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 07:06

Sorry to be behind on rationales but I have a broken keyboard and am using Windows' on-screen keyboard which is hideously slow. I'll try to catch up today anyway.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 12:01

Picks Made 113 Time Per Pick 1:49:30 Picks Left 287 Projected Finish 03/26/08 08:40:03 am

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 12:05

Hate to sound like a broken record, but 13 picks in 24 hours is not going to make it.

If you know you are up shortly and not going to be around, please try to leave a short queue and use DPs.

Cliff

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 12:25

I'm at my computer virtually all day if anyone needs a DP.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 13:00

Same here. I am a DP for JTSERB but he has an empty queue

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 13:18

And as commish, I am automatically a DP for everybody.
But, can't do anything if the queue is empty or not available.
Sicne I'm off of travel now, am pretty well available from 0530-2300 West Coast Time other than going to or from work.

Cliff

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 14:12

Could somebody try to email JTSerb and check on him.
This is way out of character for him.
I don't have his email with me right now.

Cliff

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 14:43

I just sent off an e-mail to him.

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 14:45

I agree about ti being out of character. He did say something about working long hours and he was posting on another league until almost 5am so maybe he's still sleeping.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 16:41

Sorry about timing out everyone, I thought I left a sufficient que.. It must have been eaten up. To many hours lately i guess :)

Once again I apoligize

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:47

I'll be out of the office for a few hours at a business meeting.
Added a few names to my queue and turned it on.
If that runs out, will pick as soon as I get home.
Should be home by about 1700 West Coast time or so.

Cliff

Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 14:59

So I guess we are bagging rationales altogether?

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 15:09

I've been very busy the last few days, but after tmrw morning I'm very free. I'm going to ask Guru for mod access to the rationales thread, and I'll start cleaning it up and getting rid of them from here. So lets get caught up on them, we're only at round 4 in rationales but we can be up to round 7. I'll be doing mine up to round 8 tmrw afternoon.

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 15:10

As for the clock, a 4 hour is clock is fine with me, a 6 hour is fine with me. I know I slowed things up last Saturday. I was out of town with (for all intents and purposes) no access. I'm back and am able to log in/check from work regularly. Anybody who wishes to make me a DP go ahead.

Donkey Hunter
ID: 521392112
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 15:50

5.14 Torii Hunter

Hunter seems to be a pretty consistent OBP/SLG type guy so I expect him to have his usual numbers. I am hoping that his move to the Angels may help his steals since they seem to have a lot of green lights.

6.03 Brian McCann

I had McCann as the last of the 2nd tier catchers so I took him. I expect him to improve some on last years numbers because he is still such a young player. Also the Braves offense should be potent this year in the middle of the order with the addition of Tex and probably more importantly subtraction of *undrafted player*

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 17:33

5.06 Carlos Zambrano, SP, Cubs

When I avoided another SP in the 4th round I effectively lost all the SP's in my queue but one, so I figured it might be time to take another. There really wasn't another SP I was willing to take as my second SP this early.

Zambrano, if he avoids his early season swoon, could give me a second ace to pair with Bedard. He'll have 200 K's +/-, high teens in wins (or more if the Cubs live up to their pre-season billing) and a decent ERA.

6.11 Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Wash

I wasn't ridiculously high on anyone for this pick so I went looking for value. Zimmerman has ALWAYS hit at every level, until last year. He may play 162 games and has 25 - 30 HR power, should flirt with 100 runs and RBI's, if he can just add an OBP back above the .350 mark I'll be happy.

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 20:05

Those set as designated pickers for me, please only use my queue for round 10.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 20:29

I'm home and turned my queue off.
Nice run the last two days.
Let's keep it up.

Picks Made 151 Time Per Pick 1:36:34 Picks Left 249 Projected Finish 03/22/08 02:08:36 pm

No, we are not bagging the Rationales.
I'm very aware people have been busy, but let's please try to get caught up.

Cliff

filthy
ID: 186293016
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 00:22

sorry guys, i've had a surprise out of town guest, have been able to check sporadically for picking but organizing a queue and posting rationales have had to slip.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 15:36

Ok, Guru set me up with mod access to our rationales thread and I was able to input Aggy's 1.02 rationale with ease. I haven't had sleep in a loooong while so I'm going to hit the sack, but when I get up I can fix the entire thread.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 15:58

Oops, I oput my rationales in the wrong thread! Sorry about that guys. Here is the report.

5.09 – Michael Young, SS, TEX

This could prove to be a big mistake. The second I clicked submit I had second thoughts, and I don’t know why. I passed over Jason Bay and Konerko and Adrian Gonzalez, all of whom have much higher SLG. Numbers. But he is a solid R and RBI man, and I need to start going after those. I’m looking for 90+ R and RBI.

6.08 – Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, SD

I had targeted several guys in this round that were taken just before my pick. Vernon Wells was a great pick at 6.01. I also had Mauer and McCann penciled in this round too. But I also had Gonzalez. All indications are that he will have his breakout year this year, at least that is what I am choosing to beleive. So I really like his upside. I had another starting pitcher in mind here as well, but I feel pretty safe that he will be around for a bit. Until the 9th round when he got snatched up. Ugh.

7.09 – Javier Vazquez, SP, CWS

Looking for another starting pitcher alongside Santana. I was looking mainly at K’s, and Vazquez was at the top of my list of remaining pitchers with the most projected K’s. I don’t care much about ERA or WHIP at this point, I just am looking for about 200 strikeouts.

8.08 – Pat Burrell, OF, PHI

My hitting is suffering in a few places, so Burrell is a good fit for my second OF slot. His high OBP and SLG make up for Young’s weaker numbers. He should have another solid year in that Philly lineup. Truth be told, I wanted Victorino because I needed steals, but he went 4 picks earlier.

According to my rankings, I had Burrell ranked 48th on the list of hitters. The fact that I got him in the 119th pick suggests to me that I got some value here.

Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:22

Gonna just put my last rationales in here for now:

4.16 JJ Putz, RP SEA This was a surprise to see arguably the best reliever still here at pick #64. I thought about taking him at 3.01 so this was an easy choice.

5.01 Jim Thome, UTL, CHW This was a much harder choice. I wanted Corey Hart here, but he was gone already. So were a few other offensive players I was surprised to see gone. So I took the best available slugger left, which happened to be Thome. Barring injury, he should put up good numbers yet again and will be a nice addition despite his inflexibility.

6.16 Kelly Johnson, 2B ATL This was the point where I came to the conclusion that I did not like drafting on the turn in a league this deep. It is almost impossible to plan ahead and you see your queue shrink into nothing over those 30 picks. I was reaching a bit for players because I didnt think they would last the next 30. I wanted Renteria or Furcal here, and they went at 6.14 and 6.15. Johnson was going to be 7.01 anyways so it worked out well. I have him projecting in the top 5 2B this season so this will be a good pick.

7.01 Jeff Francouer, OF ATL Frenchy was a reach but I knew he wouldnt last until my next pick. I like his upside and if he can combine the power of 2006 and the discipline of 2007 he could do some special things this year. If anything he should provide decent SLG and RBI this year.

8.16 James Shields, SP TB I was surprised to see Shields fall this far. He was one of the best all-around pitchers in the AL last year while pitching in the toughest division in baseball. I project him to continue to play at the level, but even if there is a little dropoff this is a nice pick at #128.

9.01 Jason Isringhausen, RP STL I was orginally going to go for hitting in these two picks but I went pitching because there was such great value here. Another guy who I felt slipped too far. He gets his 30 saves with good percentages year in and year out. Good solid RP, especially for a #2.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 22:26

It seems Athletics Queue is empty.

My Queue is available....just take the top player.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 13:59

I cleaned up the rationales thread up until 4.11, and deleted any posted rationales up until then from this thread.

If someone could make some more placeholders, as it is required to move the rationale over and would be a big help.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:40

I've got a few made and will finsih adding them to that thread via 5.16.

Then start a new Rationale Thread for Rounds 6-10.

Cliff

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:44

Thanks GL.

Ugh, looks like the thread ate ksoze's 4.11 rationale, and I deleted it from here. Sry dood! If you could repost it here I'll get it put in again.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 15:11

OK, that gets us through the end of round 5 and I just started the thread for Rounds 6-10 and added one placeholder.

Will work on adding more later.

Cliff

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 15:17

A quick comment about rationales. Can you guys put each rationale in a different post if you put them here to be copied over. Makes it far easier to copy over as each post needs thread data and stuff.

Thanks!

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:43

5.09 – Michael Young, SS, TEX

This could prove to be a big mistake. The second I clicked submit I had second thoughts, and I don’t know why. I passed over Jason Bay and Konerko and Adrian Gonzalez, all of whom have much higher SLG. Numbers. But he is a solid R and RBI man, and I need to start going after those. I’m looking for 90+ R and RBI.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:43

6.08 – Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, SD

I had targeted several guys in this round that were taken just before my pick. Vernon Wells was a great pick at 6.01. I also had Mauer and McCann penciled in this round too. But I also had Gonzalez. All indications are that he will have his breakout year this year, at least that is what I am choosing to beleive. So I really like his upside. I had another starting pitcher in mind here as well, but I feel pretty safe that he will be around for a bit. Until the 9th round when he got snatched up. Ugh.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:44

7.09 – Javier Vazquez, SP, CWS

Looking for another starting pitcher alongside Santana. I was looking mainly at K’s, and Vazquez was at the top of my list of remaining pitchers with the most projected K’s. I don’t care much about ERA or WHIP at this point, I just am looking for about 200 strikeouts.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:45

8.08 – Pat Burrell, OF, PHI

My hitting is suffering in a few places, so Burrell is a good fit for my second OF slot. His high OBP and SLG make up for Young’s weaker numbers. He should have another solid year in that Philly lineup. Truth be told, I wanted Victorino because I needed steals, but he went 4 picks earlier.

According to my rankings, I had Burrell ranked 48th on the list of hitters. The fact that I got him in the 119th pick suggests to me that I got some value here.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:46

9.09 – Chad Cordero, RP, WAS

This was the most amazing round yet. Five of the eight players picked before mine were all in my queue. Cordero was not one of them. The 5 RP’s that went off the board since my 8.08 pick were all on my short list for this round. Again, Cordero was not one of them.

This is a strategic pick here. Four managers picking after me in this round still don’t have a closer, and with the closers that just went off the board, I felt I needed to pick up what was immediately left in order to stay (at least initially) competitive in saves.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 12:47

10.08 – Jacoby Ellsbury, OF, BOS

Not many base stealers left. This pick was between Uggla, Blalock and Ellsbury, the former two falling off the board a few picks before me.

Ellsbury has been on my radar all draft. I expect a great year from him in that Boston lineup. He should get over 30 steals and provide decent OBP. I really do like his upside.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 14:46

5.07 Francisco Rodriguez, RP, ANA
K-Rod to the rescue. Last season in AA I waited and waited on closers and was the bain of my season.
So, decided to go with a top 5 closer this season and then go from there.
Looking at right around 45 saves and ratios of 2.96 and 1.23.
Will help me in 3 cats and won't hurt in wins (4?) or Ks (95).

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 19:27

6.10 Scott Kazmir, SP, TAM
Had actually ranked him higher than this, but due to his current issues, figure I could wait longer to draft him.
Just wasn't willing to try to go another round.
Didn't think he would get back if I waited.
Looking at somewhere around 220+ Ks, and ratios around 3.19 and 1.27, 14 wins or so.
Good young SP to take a risk with on anchoring my starters.

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 21:18

5.13 Miguel Tejada, SS, HOU

Some say Tejada is washed up or that he's on the decline. The fact that his name appears on the Mitchell report doesn't help either. I think he'll rebound to have a strong year though. The move to Houston will only help to improve his numbers. It would not surprise me to see him get 100+ RBIs and 90+ R.

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 21:19

6.04 Billy Wagner, RP, NYM

It just felt like the right time to take a closer. The top closers were coming off the draft board and I didn't think I would have a good quality closer if I waited another 30 picks with my next pick. I'm very happy with who I got. Wagner should be a great source of steals as I expect the Mets to be one of the top teams this year.

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 21:19

7.13 Mariano Rivera, RP, NYY

I'm very surprised to see Mariano Rivera available at this point of the draft. I really didn't plan on taking another closer here, but Rivera's just too good to pass up right now. His numbers weren't as impressive last season, but he's still among the league's best closers in my opinion.

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 21:19

8.04 Shane Victorino, OF, PHI

I was faced with a tough decision here. My team still lacked a real source for steals. Juan Pierre would have filled that void very nicely. But could my team absorb that .350 SLG? As much as I want 60 SBs, I felt more comfortable taking someone with some more pop in their bat. That is why I decided to go with Victorino here. He may only get me around 30 steals, but at least he doesn't hurt me in the other categories.

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 21:20

9.13 Johnny Damon, OF, NYY

Just like with Victorino, I needed Damon's speed to stay competitive in the steals category. I'm expecting at least 25 SBs from Damon along with 100 R's and 75 RBI's. His 2007 season seems to indicate a decline, but he should still be able to reach those marks with ease.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 22:00

Gonna sit down and watch a movie.
Got a player queue turned on.
If that one doesn't make it to me, I'll pick when the movie is over.

Cliff

100

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 08:01

Goatlocker:

My round 13 queue will probably make it to round 14.

However, in round 14:

If I picked a CI in round 13, do not pick another CI in round 14.
If I picked a MI in round 13, do not pick another MI in round 14.
Ditto for OFs, SPs and RPs.

Toral

101

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 08:40

Sorry for the delay I conked out early last night and forgot to turn on my queue. Should be around most of the day today to make my pick.

102

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 08:41

Oh I'll also get to my Rationales later this afternoon.

103

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 08:57

Goatlocker: I've altered my queue to adjust for my round 13 pick so you can go ahead and pick off the top for round 14.

Toral

104

filthy
ID: 186293016
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 10:27

3.03 Alex Rios, OF, TOR

Speed is good. Not interested in a closer yet. Too many similar starters to choose from. Definitely going for some power this time.

Rios wasn't even on my radar after my 2nd round pick, however the picks that were made since then required a change of thought. Chipper, gone. VMart, Ordonez, Pena, gone. DLee, Granderson, CLee, Guillen, all gone. It seems that noone on my queue is safe, so I'm gonna have to reach to get the players I want. Almost considered changing course and going with pitching, but I really wanted to get a big bat here.

The extra steals is what had me worried that Rios might be snatched up before the 4th round. I don't think many regard him as a legitimate power threat yet, even with the Derby Crown last year. But I can see this being the year that he finally puts together a big six months. His first couple of seasons, he was too skinny and seemed to have trouble with endurance. His 3rd season was the breakout that was ruined by a staph infection, what a heartbreaker, the East was up for grabs that year. As he gets bigger, the stats also get bigger. This guy has Vlad potential. Last year, he had the huge first half, the Derby crown, and an all around great season, but he tired out in September. This year has Rios written all over it, if someone on the coaching staff realizes this and puts him in the 3 hole this year, myself and the Jays will be very successful.

105

filthy
ID: 186293016
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 10:48

4.07 Dan Haren, SP, ARI

Still not down with picking a closer. Hoping Russell Martin would make it to me, he naturally didn't. Now gotta go for a starter. Especially since I had a good feeling that Jim Thome would make it back to me. When will I learn? Who knows, Haren might not have made it back either, and he really stood out to me amongst the other pitchers this time around. The other pitchers being: Verlander, Beckett, Harang, Lackey. There was just too much upside with Haren for me to let him slip though. This guy is a machine. Look at his last 3 years, he is literally a machine. Now he gets to move to the NL and have Orlando Hudson playing behind him. Not only that, but he should be somewhat ahead of the learning-the-hitters curve since he originated in the NL. 2008 NL Cy Young, may as well put Haren's name on it now.

106

filthy
ID: 186293016
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 11:02

5.10 Aaron Harang, SP, CIN

The whole top tier of closers passed me by. Jim Thome passed me by. Still don't know if I could have justified a Util pick in round 5 but it would have been nice to grab another power bat with huge upside. Swisher in a nice offense would have been decent as well. A few too many question marks with the other bats to keep me away from my debate between Harang and Chris Young. Pitching in Petco, and staring at his first half numbers made Young verrrry tempting, but I went with what I thought was a safer pick. Last year finally opened my eyes on Harang, and I am hoping that this year he will continue to become a household name. He became a strikeout machine down the stretch last year, and I feel that he can at least make it through one year of being ridden by Dusty Baker to top 200 K's again. I now have another horse in the rotation to make me form a solid ERA, WHIP and K foundation. The wins are a crapshoot, and if Harang can get some help this year he could sneak into the Cy Young picture again. Could have won it last year on a different team.

107

filthy
ID: 186293016
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 11:38

my rationales caught up to 6th round currently.

the round 6-10 rationale thread is caught up to pick 6.08. i hate philly will catch up this afternoon(102), so i stopped at the 6.09 pick. less placeholders can't be a bad thing. we have 6.10, 6.11, and 6.16 ready to go. this is a great time for everyone else to get caught up as well. i will post my 7th-10th rationales later today, and hopefully we can fill up the 6-10 rationale thread with minimal placeholders by tomorrow.

108

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 21:52

DaBomb, for taking Kouz, you are now my personal enemy.

Toral

109

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:10

Haha, sorry Toral.
Hopefully he can produce what he did post ASB last season over the course of the full season this year for me.

110

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:33

I guess I'll get in line. DaBomb, *#&*(#$*(#^%*(#$^#$!!!!!!!! lol Giambi is a great bargain in round 16...

111

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 08:45

I'll be at Jury Duty all day today.
Have filled my queue and turned it on.
If it runs out, will pick as soon as I get home.
There is enough there to cover round 17, just not sure about 18 if it gets to me.

Ditto on rationales, will try to get caught up tonite.

Cliff

112

weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:50

Hey guys I think we need a draft pause.
I packed a closer for donkey last pick and another closer is at the top of his queue.

I think we should give him some time to make his next pick.

113

Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:22

I am around and will make my next pick in the next few minutes. Thanks for looking out.

114

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:44

Great job all in picking things up.
The spurt today really put us in great shape.

Picks Made 284 Time Per Pick 1:21:46 Picks Left 116 Projected Finish 03/18/08 11:43:49 am

Cliff

115

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 20:37

How did i get Marlon Byrd? He wasn't even on my queue...

116

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 20:49

When I logged in to see if I was up, I was able to type any player for you Athletics. It basically was saying it was my turn to pick. I didn't type anything though. It seemed like there might have been some kind of glitch. Might want to have GL talk to KKB

117

Donkey Hunter
ID: 521392112
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:10

That is one of the settings. If you have freeform available then any of your designated pickers can write in anyone you want them to. If someone picked Byrd without you asking them to that would be a problem.

118

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:38

I didn't ask anyone to pick Byrd for me. The last player on my queue was Prior so my queue was empty already. I've been making a short queue list throughout the draft when it got near my end, but I didn't know DP's could manually enter players themselves.

119

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:50

Click on your team name and player name and it'll tell you who made the pick for you.

120

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:03

It says pick was made by gurudan.

121

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:07

Maybe he made the pick thinking it was his turn without looking at the team name. I'll be happy to trade him back.

122

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 08:37

Do I have to "forfeit" my Rnd 21 pick? I'd really like it to be taken care of before more picks get in. I already emailed GL about my replacement player for Byrd.

123

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:25

AG,
I made the change as per your email.
We should be good to go now.

A recommendation to all, that you not set your Q to freeform unless you really mean to do that.

In fact, I keep mine on First Player, so that is all that can be seen.

Cliff

124

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:17

Sorry for the delay guys, but I do have one question: How in the world was I skipped?!?

Last night around 8:45 or 9 I checked in and we were going down the snake for round 21 stuck on Gurudan. I checked again around midnight and it was still at Gurudan. I checked again around 2am and it was STILL ON GURUDAN.

I log in this morning around 9am and its showing Rob Thayer is up for his round 21 pick. I checked in just now and I've suddenly missed round 21 and 22 and we are suddenly 5 picks beyond me? And I've lost both players that I had qued up (bruce and gordon).

Looking back over the times that picks were made it appears I was actually on the clock as of 7:35pm last night. I know I could have 'left a que' and avoided this. But I check in obsessively throughout the day.

I'm not asking for any redo of picks. Looking at the times that are recorded for making picks, it appears everybody has done exactly what they are supposed to do. I just needed to vent as I'm more than a little irritated.

125

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:22

There seems to be an issue that was described in the RIBC Thread with the clock, but I didn't read all of it.
I have had wierd things happen to me also when I thought I was making a pick for somebody and then found out we were 5 picks beyond.

Know that doesn't answer the question, but would recommend making sure you refresh everytime.

Cliff

126

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:24

When I went to bed at about 11 P.M. you had been up for about 4 hours and were scheduled to time out soon after the clock resumed this morning.

Kafenatid not automatically updating for you perhaps?

127

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:29

Possibly. However I was on from a buddy's computer last night and from my work computer this morning. Maybe it is something with my account? Never had that happen before. This is my 3rd? year of using Kafenatid? But I have run into a few bugs/glitches this year involving the clock.

Anyway, I am content with my 2 picks so missing Bruce and Gordon is not so bad. And I got to vent. So again, sorry for the delay.

128

R9
ID: 21721142
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:58

Kafenatid definitely doesn't automatically refresh for me. Not a big deal as refreshing manually is very easy to do, but I guess if I wasn't aware of the issue it could be rather frustrating.

129

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:13

Same with me. I have found that with my desktop at home, kafenatid will refresh. But my laptop does not and I have to refresh regularly.

That's probably what you were dealing with Khahan.

130

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 12:06

It just seems odd that even logging in at different times doesn't cause the refresh. I could understand it on my friend's comp. He probably has some cookies or a cache setting that caused it.

131

Athletics Guy
ID: 42223319
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:10

re:123

Thanks for taking care of that GL.

132

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 02:21

Grudz and German at 2B. RIBC sure makes you scrape the bottom of the barrell. lol!

133

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 15:04

I have an Draft later today and wont be available.
I have left a 1 man queue.
If it is empty I have left free form open so as not to hold up finishing today.
Hopefully it is ok to fill in my pick with a replacement after everyone finishes should me massive queue not hold up.

Looks like we finished a week early.
Good thing we didnt shorten the clock.

134

i hate philadelphia
ID: 152151616
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 20:25

So I got no catcher in the draft. I had planned on taking one with my last pick, but someone used my queue in round 24 before I could select Crosby, so I had to take him in the last round to fill my MI position. I'll just drop schmidt and pick one up when the draft is over.

135

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 09:02

And we're done! Final pick of the draft won't even see a ML baseball diamond until around the All-star break. But hey, thats what the last round is for.

136

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 16:03

Thanks all for the assistance in supporting a well ran draft.

I will try to get everything entered tonite and then verify before I turn everything on to let the WW run.

Cliff

137

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 22:33

Everyone up for doing a draft recap? The rationales kind of got sidetracked by lack of time I suspect for lots of us, but I love reading the draft recaps each year.

138

i hate philadelphia
ID: 152151616
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 09:53

I'd be happy to do a draft recap. Cliff you want to set something up?

139

JTSERB
Donor
ID: 481020120
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 11:27

Im up for a draft recap

140

Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 14:06

Lets at least do recaps. Those are always fun.

141

weykool
ID: 21532811
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 14:16

Are we doing the draft recap in leiu of the rationales for those of us behind?
I am in favor of the recap either way.

142

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 18:53

All,
I did put a Draft Recap Thread up.
Still would like to catch up Rationales if we can, but will understand if it doesn't happen.

I've got a couple of teams loaded, and hopefully, will be able to get the rest done tonite.

Just been a very busy week at work.

Cliff

143

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 6239199
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 12:41

Cliff, between work and my move I'm swamped. I will try to catch up on the rationale's but it might take me a bit. I'll get my draft recap up in the meantime later tonight.

144

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:23

I've got all the teams loaded except for one.
Will finish Khahans tonite.
Can't find Bartolo Colon to add to his team from the draft screen.
If I can't make it work, will just go ahead and finish the rest and then add later.

Cliff

145

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:32

Don't worry about Colon. He got optioned to AAA and isn't in the yahoo database.

146

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 22:05

OK all.
All teams are now loaded.

Two teams only have 24 players.
Khahan due to Colon not being in the data base.

Gurudan due to Cueto not being in the data base.

In order to retain ownwhip of those two players, you must leave one roster position open.

If that postition gets filled, the player will then be a FA when they hit the data base.

Please take a look at your teams and make sure I did not make any mistakes.

I'm going to verify the Waiver Order, and then we'll be off and running.

Cliff

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