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Subject: 2008 Rob Minniti Keeper Classic Draft Discussion
Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- [37838313] Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:29
Link to previous discussion thread.
I was thinking about trying out Kaffenatid's message forum for this thread (having the discussion at the same site as the draft might prompt more activity from the non-gurupies) but I never got around to sending out feelers about it to the league so we'll just have it here as usual. Maybe next year.
Draft has started.
Holt is up.
Good luck everyone. Except Mike DeVaul. |
| 1 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:31
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Oh boy! holt has only 37 minutes left to pick on Kafenatid. Looks like I may get my #1 choice!
Toral
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| 2 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:32
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We're on an hour clock on Kafenatid with no pauses....
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| 3 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:34
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Fixed. Clock is shut off.
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| 4 | holt
ID: 341542412
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:39
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I'll try to pick soon but I don't have a spreadsheet started for this league yet, so no guarantees.
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| 5 | Perm Dude
ID: 5023819
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 16:48
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Lots and lots of good players in the pool.
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| 6 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 16:52
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ALso lots of sharks.
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| 7 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 16:58
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My 2-man Q available to Commish and PD (who is after me.)
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| 8 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 18:51
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This must be some spreadsheet.
:)
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| 9 | Perm Dude
ID: 5023819
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 19:46
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It's in cuniform.
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| 10 | holt
ID: 341542412
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 21:38
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PD, no offense but we waited for you an entire day in dirty dozen, and the clock was actually running, so gimme a break here please. sorry if I'm annoying anyone by not getting the draft started yet but I have close to zero free time today. I have no idea what players are taken and which are available.
in a few hours when I have no social obligation (family from out of town visiting) I will stay up and get my pick done. again, I'm sorry for the holdup. I know it's annoying.
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| 11 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 21:55
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Holt I don't think anyone is on your case here. There's no clock and I'm sure PD's comment, like mine, was in jest. No need to be defensive.
Like I said in the previous thread I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get through a whole round before Monday. No biggie.
Everyone should expect to make multiple picks each day during the week, especially in the evening. The 1 hour time limit is enforced.
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| 12 | Perm Dude
ID: 5023819
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 22:03
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Uh, holt, get off the soapbox. Seriously. I'm sorry you had to wait in another league while I was busy puking and trying to sit up for more than a few minutes at a time. My goodness--the 20th pick in a draft was delayed while we sit within weeks of the start of games.
No offense, indeed.
My comment was in jest. Yours reflected a serious misunderstanding of that.
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| 14 | holt
ID: 341542412
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 07:03
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I didn't care one way or another that the other draft was held up PD. From posts here, it seemed to me that people did care that this draft was held up. Whatever. No biggie.
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| 15 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 07:41
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No reason to linger on that.
Some might recall that last year's Friday night keeper deadline was missed by Steve and Chris (co-managers of Want2CDs). In fact they didn't post them until the following Monday morning, offering the excuse that they were "drunk".
So the number of picks we get through before late tomorrow morning will be the number of picks we are ahead of last year's schedule. We completed last year's draft 7 days later, on the following Monday.
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| 16 | Nando
ID: 56227221
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 22:35
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I'm sorry to break up the drama here... but is here a way to transfer a draft queue to another draft on kafenatid? Or do I have to go through the whole process again?
...also, I'd like to raise a middle finger to the league for taking four of my leftover keepers in the first seven picks. I hate you all.
--Nando
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| 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 472128
Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 23:28
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You should probably check with KKB, through his feedback form:
Kafenatid feedback
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| 18 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 04:46
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If you are not familiar with OTC let me strongly suggest you set a queue priority list, assign a picker or two and make sure your queue status reads Queue Status: AVAILABLE (Only First Player / Free-Form Unavailable).
Play around with it until you get it set up like that.
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| 19 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 05:01
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Whoever gets there first, please make my pick.
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| 20 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 07:00
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Yes, yes. 1. Set your queue. 2. Make it "available". 3. Select your designated pickers (I usually just select everyone).
In setting your queue you have the option of allowing your sesignated picker(s) to see and select only your top player or you may let him see your entire queue. The latter option is useful in case you want to leave me detailed instructions with your designated picker, i.e. take player A unless 2 or more closers come off the board, in which case take plater X, Y or Z, in that order or preference.
Nando
Allow me to be the first to thank you for not keeping one of your former young studs. I expect Troy Tulowitzki will be productive and happy as a Brooklyn Mofo for many years to come.
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| 21 | Perm Dude
ID: 522138
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 09:04
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If you aren't familiar with the queue system, do no make it AVAILABLE until you are a little more comfortable. You are just inviting someone else to make a pick while you are still playing around with your list.
Toral--you dick. Thought he'd slip one more spot.
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| 22 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 09:27
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I'll be posting a draft grid in another thread in this forum. Linked here.
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| 23 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 09:43
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Mith, I will be working tonight from 4-11 at my other job. I will have random access, depending how the kids are behaving. I will leave a queue, but if it empties would you be able to call me and tell me who was picked and I will text you back with who I want?
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| 24 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 09:53
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Shouldn't be a problem today and tomorrow. Later in the week my schedule becomes a little more erratic but I'll generally be around.
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| 25 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 09:56
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tonight and tomorrow are my problem days, the rest of the week should be fine.
thanks
wiggs
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| 26 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 19:02
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1 hour time limits are now in effect. Holt is on the clock.
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| 27 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 20:24
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Perm Dude has timed out. Alex should make his pick when he's ready.
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| 29 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:07
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No way I would have believed Kemp, Victorino and Weeks would all go this round. Ouch, was sure I'd get at least two out of three of those.
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| 30 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:12
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Waiting for you to post your keepers in the POli-league, B.
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| 31 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:24
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Could you e-mail me the yahoo league # and password to my wife's computer at loretta247@insightbb.com please?
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| 32 | Perm Dude
ID: 522138
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:26
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Gimme a sec and I'll send it over.
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| 33 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:02
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That was the Minnitti league or the poliboard info, PD?
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| 34 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:04
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Looks like it was poliboard so I still need an e-mail from MITH.
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| 35 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:04
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B
Sent
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| 36 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:15
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Hitting the sack pretty soon. We're through 4.5 rounds, which is one fourth of our total draft. Well done.
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| 37 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:46
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That was the OTC # and pass, MITH. I need the Yahoo particulars.
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| 38 | Perm Dude
ID: 2226322
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:47
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I sent you the info from the Yahoo Political Forum League.
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| 39 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 06:48
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Sorry, B. I just went to Yahoo and sent an invite to your wife's address from there.
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| 40 | Nando
ID: 3213889
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 13:25
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TRADE!!
Want2CDs and Pepper's Ghost swap draft positions:
Pepper's Ghost gets pick 2.07 (turned into Francisco Liriano) and pick 18.07; Want2Cds gets pick 2.10 (Andruw Jones) and Pepper's Ghost's 16th-round pick (16.10).
That is all.
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| 41 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 13:31
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That trade has been entered into On The Clock. I'll adjust my draft grid when I get home from work.
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| 42 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 17:37
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MITH: I'm not sure but I think the Kafenatid administrator can change the positions of drafted players. if so, could you please change Garret Atkins to CI and Rafael Furcal to MI? I'm using the Kafenatid draft grid and it makes it a bit easier.
Thanx.
Toral
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| 43 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 17:39
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Toral, you can change it yourself, click the team name, then the player name and it should give you an option to change it.
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| 44 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 17:44
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Great, thanx.
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| 45 | Nando
ID: 37248418
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 20:39
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Guys,
Sorry for the time it took for me to pick... commute to NJ, then a
trip to Shop Rite. I was totally banking on the dysfuctional
Want2Cds team to take a good 90 minutes to pick...
Hugs and Kisses,
Nando
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| 46 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 22:44
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This was my biggest challenge day and the rest should be easy finding the time to pick. I had to draft via telephone with my wife entering the picks. Some conflict with banner ads/blockers [my guess] was making OTC all hinky for her but we've managed.
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| 47 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 07:14
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Wonder what happened to PD.
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| 48 | Perm Dude
ID: 4621449
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 09:46
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I'm in. Some terrible, terrible news on the homefront. My mother-in-law was just diagnosed with cancer (second time in 16 years), and it has spread through the bones already. My wife, of course, is beside herself.
I'm in the home office now, though, and will catch up as soon as I boot up everything.
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| 49 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 09:56
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Wow. Sorry to hear that, Fred. Just before you posted I emailed you my cell phone number. Let me know of I can be of any draft assistance if that's any help at all.
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| 50 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 09:58
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PD, Sorry to hear that. Let me know if I can be of any assistance with any of your drafts we are in together. Queues, or best available, I have my sheets updated, just let me know.
Thoughts and prayers with you and your family.
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| 51 | Perm Dude
ID: 4621449
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 10:05
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Thanks. I still have 12 guys in the queue, and I think we'll be good to go for the day. Not sure about tonight but I'll probably refresh the queue and open it up for this evening's quick picks.
pd
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| 52 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:52
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5 players still have not signed up for the league at Yahoo. I'd like to start entering players before we complete the draft so I need everyone to sign up.
The delinquent managers are:
Alex
Perm Dude
Mike DeVaul (shocking)
Wiggs
Baldwin
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| 53 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 19:24
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Here's the league info again in case you misplaced it:
League ID#: 27745
Password: Rick_Cerone
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| 54 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 12:37
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Going out for lunch. Back by 2.
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| 55 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 14:20
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Votto/Wood is the first time this draft that the top 2 in my queue have been taken right in front of me (though in reverse order).
Toral
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| 56 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 14:26
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They were my top 2 as well (in that order). The only other time I recall my top player being taken was when Toral took Sherrill.
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| 57 | holt
ID: 341542412
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:11
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that's funny. I had Votto on my queue ahead of Wood as well. at least I got one of em. my queue was empty after that.
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| 58 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 19:03
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MITH, we doing the prize pool?
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| 59 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 19:04
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I just left Mike a voicemail. I assume he's in transit. Shouldn't be too long.
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| 60 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 20:22
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Boy that was a quick fun draft. I say we could do it again as an AL/NL only league.
Toral
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| 61 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 20:40
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Still 1 round + to go. Hopefully we'll wrap it up tinight. Still need Baldwin and Mike Devaul to sign up for the league at Yahoo.
Every year I play around with the idea of adding a keeper element to this league. We'd pick and keep a set of minor league and other pre-major league prospects who could be promoted to our primary rosters when they come of age. Yesterday I kicked the idea around with Nando and Steve, both of whom seemed interested.
What about everyone else?
I've been in one other keeper league that dealt with prospects, the Rotoguru Politics Forum League, with Toral, Baldwin and Perm Dude. If there's interest here, I'll put together a proposal for a prospect system for this league.
Thoughts?
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| 62 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 20:50
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I'd be for.
It would add an element of fun. There's lots of free prospects lists around, and I would be happy to send the Rotowire (the amazing Sickels) and Rotoworld prospect lists to those who don't suscribe to their draft kits.
I would suggest 3 rounds; a draft order completely random, and then snaking; a threshold for picking of below MLB rookie status; and -- no threshold whatsoever for requiring a prospect to be called up. If a manager wants to hold Mickey Mantle on his prospect roster for a few years because "he may not be able to hit a curve ball" then that's his problem. No need for the league system to get involved.
Toral
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| 63 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 20:56
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Sounds good to me.
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| 64 | Perm Dude
ID: 324768
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 20:58
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I'd be for it. I would only be a little careful about implementing such a thing right now, for this season.
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| 65 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 21:14
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Alex is going to time out soon. I'll give him until 9:40.
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| 66 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 21:18
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You better make your Q unavailable.
Toral
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| 67 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 21:19
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Otherwise your DPs will pick for you.
Toral
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| 68 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 21:55
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My experience with a farm system has taught me that they do not work unless there is some mechanism that allows you to hold on to that propect keeper while he proves he can edge out one of your 6 regular keepers.
Dynasty keepers that use cash values which escalate each year you keep someone is an analogy to keep in mind. I would suggest 3 to 5 prospect keepers and if for example difinof couldn't raise Justin Upton to regular keeper status last year but wanted to retain rights to him, he could choose to forfeit a propect keeper slot for each additional year he retains Upton beyond the time he reached his prospect limits, [say 150 ab's/80 IP].
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| 69 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 22:48
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I believe Tree floated an idea this year for the Poli-league to add a special keeper slot that can only be occupied by promoted prospects. That sounds like a good solution.
A sticking issue for me in the Politics league is that we disqualify all players with career at-bats or innings under the threshold from the primary draft, even if they aren't on anyone's prospect roster.
If we limit the prospect draft to to players without any major league experience, protecting them from the primary draft won't have much, if any impact. We took a lot of youg players in this draft but I don't believe there have been any without a single ab or ip.
But regarding one of Toral's suggestion, I do think you need a cutoff for a player's continued prospect status, otherwise I think we might eventually have too many good players sitting inactive on peoples' prospect rosters. That said, I do think the thresholds I'm accostomed to in the Poli-league are too low. Perhaps something like 600 at bats for hitters and 250 innings or 80 games (whichever comes first) for pitchers. Or maybe even a bit higher than that, maybe 750/310/100?
As in the Poli-league, a manager would have a week after his player loses his prospect status to add the player to his roster. After one week, the player becomes fair game.
I prefer allowing managers to keep as many or few of their prospects as they choose.
6 prospects per team would be 72 total. 7 would be 84. Think that's too deep for some of the more casual managers? If so, perhaps we could just partially implement this year. We could have a 3 or 4 round prospect draft this year and and tehn expand the prospect rosters in 2009. By then enough fresh names should have entered most on-line prospect lists.
Thoughts?
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| 70 | Perm Dude
ID: 324768
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 22:55
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A sticking issue for me in the Politics league is that we disqualify all players with career at-bats or innings under the threshold from the primary draft, even if they aren't on anyone's prospect roster.
That's not true. At least, not in that league. You can draft anyone in the regular draft who isn't already a prospect or regular keeper (and the prospect draft immediately follows the regular draft). The drafting rules: "Any non-kept player currently in the Yahoo database is eligible for drafting."
pd
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| 71 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 23:04
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The Billy Butlers and Justin Uptons and Ricky Weeks of the world, as outrageously good as their futures are, will seldom if ever make it from the prospect keeper list to the regular keepers list even with your plan, MITH, and that is the problem.
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| 72 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 23:15
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I'd be willing to start something this year, then expand on it in the future.
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| 73 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 00:20
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i am in for prospects
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| 74 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:08
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I am for very high thresholds (beyond which one must promote or drop prospects).
I am totally against any Rube Goldberg schemes like Baldwin 68 which require translation into English to understand.
I am totally against any plan that draws upon any weird ideas derived from Tree, the one in 69 in particular.
Toral
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| 75 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:28
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Hmm. Maybe this idea doesn't have a very good chance.
Toral, what's your issue with extra keeper slots for former or promoted prospects?
If we go with an with an extra "former-prospect" keeper slot you're guaranteed to keep the player for at least one year after the thresholds are passed.
Perhaps we could allow more than one "former-prospect" keeper slot. In the interest of parity, maybe we take away your 16th round pick for keeping one former prospect and your 12th and 16th picks for keeping two.
And here's another idea - I don't see why promotions to our primary rosters should be permanent. If Rickie Weeks was your prospect in 2005 and you promoted him in June of that year while he was hitting .280 for the Brewers only to see him slump from July and on, why not give the manager the option to demote him, as long as he hasn't reached the prospect status thresholds? If this proves difficult logistically, we could at least allow managers to return promoted prospects to their keeper rosters for the offseason. Of course in that case you'd have to keep that player on your active roster all year to take advantage of that option after the player has been promoted. I'd be open to expanding the size of our bench to accomodate.
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| 76 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:29
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As to depth...I'm in a new dynasty league this year. Basically after a regular draft (where hot minor leaguers like Joba get chosen), there's a reasonable pool of 50 at the most beyond which everyone is a crap shoot. 3 rounds -- make it 4, so that you have even # of rounds in a snake draft.
The more I think about it...why have thresholds at all? If a manager wants to blow a minor/prospect slot on waiting 3 years to see if Ryan Braun is for real, who does it hurt except himself? No need for one-week, two-weeks rules, policing of AB/IP limits.
Toral
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| 77 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:35
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I'll wait for a day before passing further judgment on these schemes.
I would say more, but we're in Lent.
Toral
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| 78 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:41
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I understand the issue with thresholds. My concern is that if too many servicible players are held inactive it could keep too much talent off the table.
I'll have to think about it some more. I'll also try to get more managers involved in this discussion, or at least reading it.
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| 79 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:51
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My concern is that if too many servicible players are held inactive it could keep too much talent off the table.
It's a 12-team mixed league! There are always quality players available on the WW at every position.
Or such is my view.
Toral
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| 80 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:57
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Agreed this league isn't very deep.
With no thresholds, once a player is promoted, you can't allow managers to return him to the prospect roster.
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| 81 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 07:57
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Agreed.
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| 82 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 08:15
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Perm Dude 70
Was that rule changed in the Poli-League or do I just remember it wrong?
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| 83 | Perm Dude
ID: 025577
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 08:58
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I think you might just be remembering it wrong. We did have some troubles with the timing of the prospect draft, but we could always draft any Yahoo player that otherwise wasn't a keeper.
#79: I agree. Not too many players would be taken off the table that we'd be playing immediately.
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| 84 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 08:58
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The poli-board hasn't figured out how to give a realistic chance that you could pass a prospect keeper onto your general keeper list in 99% of the cases that someone has a great propect so that board cannot be held up as the end all/be all. I had to give up on Billy Butler there last year tho I fully expect he'll win a batting title. Tree had to give up on Ricky Weeks. Just nuts. What's the point of a farm system then?
I don't see why losing a prospect slot is so Rube Goldberg. Not as expensive as dropping your 6th best keeper. But a real cost in a league without dollar values.
If I want to keep Justin Upton for the four years it takes him to pass the value of my 6th best keeper and I am willing to forgoe all other prospects in the fourth year [when the cost would have risen to 4 slots] then why wouldn't that work? This is tying up too many prospects? Too much record keeping? Not many prospects would be that valuable.
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| 85 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 09:01
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Baldwin
Please sign up for the league in Yahoo. Info is in post 53.
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| 86 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 10:16
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My queue is showing as unavailable. This was not the player I wanted. Can I change my pick?
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| 87 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 10:17
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You haven't picked yet in the last round. You're up now, Wiggs.
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| 88 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 10:21
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That is weird, it showed that Baldwin picked for me and took the top guy in my queue. Its cool though, i am happy now.
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| 89 | asimon
ID: 0257710
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 11:57
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I think we should do a limited prospect roster, say like 4 guys a team, and a certain number of them (not all) could be keepers.
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| 90 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 12:07
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I'm thinking it looked strange because Want2CD's final pick was traded to Nando. Kafenatid is very effective but it's look and interface are kind of awkward sometimes.
Baldwin's pick of Daric Barton wraps up the draft.
I'll complete the draft grid and load it onto the league site this weekend. I still have to update the official rules regarding tiebreakers so hopefully I'll get that done, too.
Since Kafenatid doesn't time-stamp picks in the draft results page, I don't know exactly when our first pick was made. Presumably it was either Saturday night or Sunday morning. Either way, we finished the draft in well under 7 full days. Well done everyone.
If I can get Baldwin and Mike DeVaul to sign up for the league in Yahoo I'll load the players this weekend.
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| 91 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 12:08
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No experience in a prospect league, so I don't know what works and what does not, but after reading the above discussion, it seems to me that it would be nice to have the option to hang onto a minor leager for a couple of years, if that's what a manager wanted to do.
But not at the cost of a keeper. Maybe lose a later round draft pick or something like that.
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| 92 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 13:00
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Alex
At this point I'm leaning toward allowing managers to keep all our unpromoted prospects on what we'll call our "prospect roster". I don't see any reason to be forced to choose between them at the beginning of the year.
MJD
I don't believe anyone has suggested we sacrifice any keepers for the ability to retain prospects.
Here are the three ideas currently being discussed regarding the long term retention of prospects:Mith:
1. Establish high at bats/innings/games limits ("prospect thresholds") at which players will lose their status as prospects. When a player on someone's prospect roster reaches one of those limits, he must be promoted to the main roster or become available to the rest of the league.
2. Allow managers to demote prospects back to their prospect rosters as long as they have not reached the established "prospect thresholds". This will allow the manager to keep the prospect through the offseason with taking up one of his regular keeper slots.
3. Allow for one or more extra keeper slots for prospects that have passed the prospect threshold and have been promoted to the main roster ("former prospect keepers"). Each former prospect keeper slots would mean the loss of a draft pick. My initial suggestion was that the first one would cost a 16th round pick. A second would cost a 12th round pick.
Boldwin
Allow managers to retain former prospects at the cost of one slot on your prospect roster per year after the player passes the threshold. In other words, if my prospect passes the threshold and I still want to retain him on my prospect roster, I have to give up one of my other slots on my prospect roster. If I want to keep him for a second year without making him a keeper, I have to give up a second slot. My prospect roster would keep shrinking each year that I continue to retain this player.
Toral
No prospect thresholds. Prospect remain on your prospect roster for as long as you want to keep them there, until you either promote them to your main roster or drop them. Toral/Baldwin - does that sum up your positions fairly? Assuming so, at this point I might prefer Baldwin's idea to my #3. And while I do prefer establishing some threshold, if it appeases Toral and anyone else who might side with him on the issue, perhaps we could further increase the threshold to something like 1000ab/400ip/135g.
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| 93 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:01
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MITH
You e-mailed me the kafeatid league # and pass but not the Yahoo league # and pass.
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| 94 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:03
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OK...
So You, MITH, are for Baldwin's idea plus Toral-appeasing thresholds? I can vote for that.
I vote for that.
If this proposal doesn't succeed, I hereby give my proxy in succeeding votes to you, MITH, to vote for the proposal you want.
You seem fair, and I want to get this over with. Extended prospect-rule discussions have been disastrous in the past in leagues I have been in, especially when Baldwin suffers loss of memory midway in the process (which is frequently).
Toral
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| 95 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:04
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Baldwin
See post 53.
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| 96 | mjd
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ID: 501381415
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:08
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I'd like to look at these proposals and insert a player who would fit into the different scenarios.
Lets look specifically at a guy like Francisco Liriano. He has pitched 144.2 innings in the majors to date. He comes back this year after losing the entire 07 season after having Tommy John surgery in 06. I read where it may take him as many as 2 years to get back to where he was prior to surgery. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen.
But for the sake of of this discussion, let's say it is true. The Twins treat him with kid glove and keep his IP down, but he does show good to decent progress this year. If the guy who owns him has a great pitching staff, and does not really need him this year, he could opt to maintain Liriano on his prospect list due to low IP, and keep him as a prospect keeper, next year.
All the while, I need SP and would maintain Liriano on my major league roster, if he was available to me. But instead, he's stashed on someone elses prospect roster. I'd be like having a 7th keeper slot.
There are other players who could fall into this situation. Do we want a loophole like this to be allowed in this league?
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| 97 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:09
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Barring any objections to these ideas from the rest of the league I'll put together a proposal including those elements. If this passes, we will have a prospect draft this year, preferably this preseason.
I'll do my best to get it out this weekend but I have a relative visiting from abroad.
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| 98 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:21
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I'm entered in Yahoo now.
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| 99 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:23
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MJD
My thinking was that in order for a player to qualify for your prospect roster you must draft the player as a prospect. I hadn't considered allowing managers to demote players that were not originally drafted as prospects. Off the cuff, I like it.
Anyone else?
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| 100 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:26
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Definitely not this year. The possibility of demoting players taken in this draft to a prospect roster (and then replacing them in Yahoo!) would have changed my draft strategy as early as the last 7 rounds.
See...when you get these crazy ideas you get people who like them without thinking them out.
Toral
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| 101 | mjd
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ID: 501381415
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 14:31
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That's kind of my thinking, Toral.
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| 102 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 19254914
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 19:11
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The rosters have been loaded into Yahoo! and the league is now active. Your players won't show up on your team until tomorrow, so you won't see them there under today's heading. To view your roster, click on 'My Team' and then click on tomorrow (Mon, Mar 10).
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