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0 Subject: Insurance Hell Keeper League 2009 Discussion

Posted by: Khahan
- [486552412] Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 08:47

Hey all,

We're back for season 4 (or is it 5, it can't be that long can it?). Its definitely been fun so far and I'm looking forward to 2009.

Please post your keepers here by Tuesday Feb 10. We'll use the clock on the site. If it hits 11:59pm, you are safe. At 12:00 am the commish assigns keepers.

At the end of last season there were a number of suggestions for change going around. Everything from cutting the number of keepers down, to starting over w/ a brand new draft to letting the league decide to force each manager to throw 1 keeper back into the pool.

There was mild interest in each of those suggestions and more. But when I asked for a vote, I got pretty much dead silence. So this is what we're gonna do. Keep the status quo unless somebody else puts up a suggestion. If you want to see change, post it. If it helps the league I will gladly put it up for a vote. :)

Good luck and get those keepers posted.
1wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 09:51
looking forward to another great season.

I like things the way they are. Bring on the spring and the nicer weather.
2Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 15:08
Players for trade. Most likely only looking for picks.


2008 NL RoY - Geovany Soto
2008 AL Cy Young - Cliff Lee
2009 AL RoY - David Price!!!
And more many allstar caliber players are available: Alex Rodriguez, Grady Sizemore, Manny Ramirez, Jose Reyes, Felix Hernandez.

Brandon Phillips, Carlos Pena, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Ervin Santana, Ryan Dempster, Ryan Ludwick.

Basically anybody from my roster is up for grabs for draft picks.
3wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 16:01
My roster also has players available for trade- I will be looking for picks or a 2-1 upgrade. I have enough keepers.


Bobby Abreu
Alex Gordon
Adam Jones
Alex Rios
Brian Roberts
Rickie Weeks
Matt Cain
Scott Kazmir

Just to name a few
4Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 17:05
Wiggs, you do not have Kazmir on your roster. You DID request to pick him up off waivers and you DID get the waiver request. However, it processed on the last day of the season meaning he could not actually be added until after the season ended. He is in the FA pool.

I go by the rosters as they show on the final day of the season.
5wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 17:55
are you sure about that? I could have sworn i had him before the rosters froze the last day? is there a way to see that?
6Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 21:26
Wiggs, yes, there is a way to see it. If you go to the league page from last year (you can access it from your league page), you'll see the request process on the last day. But that means he does not make it to your roster until the next day (which is too late).

Or you can also look at your 'final roster' from your history and see. I simply did a copy/paste from there.
7 ISuckBaseballs
      ID: 18053290
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 02:00
Keepers:

Evan Longoria
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramirez
BJ Upton
Russell Martin
Brad Ziegler
9Midget
      ID: 120513019
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 21:10
JD's Pathetic Keepers

Beltran
Ellsbury
Lidge
Hafner
Beltre
M Young
10Lay down and Shut Up
      ID: 2411213
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 14:01
Keepers
M Cabrera
J Morneau
A Soriano
J Lackey
T Lincecum
M Kemp
11Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 15:27
Keepers
Alex Rodriguez
Jose Reyes
Grady Sizemore
Manny Ramirez
Brandon Phillips
Felix Hernandez



Unless of course one of them is traded.
12 wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 08:50
Keepers
Prince Fielder
Jimmy Rollins
Matt Holliday
Johan Santana
Johnaton Papelbon
Alex Rios
Bobby Abreu

For now-
Still looking to make a trade- player for pick-

Any of the above could be had for the right price-
any below could be had cheaper

Brian Roberts
Joba Chamberlain
Matt Cain
Ben Sheets
Hideki Matsui
Carlos Marmol
CJ Wilson

Send an offer
13Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 22:48

1B Albert Pujols
OF Lance Berkman
OF Josh Hamilton
P Francisco Rodríguez
P Joe Nathan
P CC Sabathia
14Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 09:38
Everybody check your emails. I sent out another league email on Friday extending the keeper deadline due to a new manager taking over Scotts old team. Post away if you want, but look over his roster and make him some offers.
15wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 15:51
I am trying to find out the email of our newest member. Anyone have it?
16 clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 09:11
Everyone please make note of new e-mail address. Have been covered up trying to get in my new house, and have been slow to get my baseball season started to this point, sorry!
17clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 09:43
CV's NC Braves' Keepers:

C- Brian McCann, ATL
1B- Mark Teixeira, NYY
3B- Chipper Jones, ATL
OF- Carlos Quentin, CHW

I own picks...

1.3 (my own)
1.9 (from Lay Down and Shut Up - Beckett trade)
1.10 (from wiggs - Rollins trade)
1.11 (from AllTax - Vlad trade)
2.3 (my own)

Check e-mails. Have sent a couple feelers from my new address. Will declare last two keepers as soon as I get a response.



18wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 12:02
Trade-
Wiggs sends Brian Roberts to CLV- for pick 2.03
19clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 12:29
Confirmed.

CV's NC Braves' Updated Keepers:

C- Brian McCann, ATL
1B- Mark Teixeira, NYY
2B- Brian Roberts, BAL
3B- Chipper Jones, ATL
OF- Carlos Quentin, CHW

Now own picks...

1.3 (my own)
1.9 (from Lay Down and Shut Up - Beckett trade)
1.10 (from wiggs - Rollins trade)
1.11 (from AllTax - Vlad trade)

(IIRC, we have to include wiggs' last round pick in the deal so I fill out my roster during draft, so I guess it's Roberts and pick 18.whatever for pick 2.3)
20Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 01:09
help me CLV..I do not remember a trade for "Vlad" involving my 2009 1st round pick? Guerro ended 2008 season on roster of Captain Cocko.
21clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 11:15
CV's NC Braves trade Vladimir Gurrero, Billy Wagner, and their 6th Round pick to AllTax for Chipper Jones, Jonathon Broxton, and their 1st Round pick.

(Not sure of the date, but noted it on my spreadsheet. Wagner's on your final roster, so I assume you moved Vlad for someone else at some point following our trade.)
23Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 12:59
Taking a look at last year's league I cannot see league transactions anymore so we'll have to recostruct:

Taxman drafted Chipper Jones in round 8.
Taxman drafted Jonathon Broxton in round 16

CLV had Vlad in round 3 meaning he was a keeper.
CLV drafted Billy Wagner in round 7


Broxton and Jones appear on CLV's final day roster.

Billy Wagner is on Taxman's final day roster


Vlad Guerrero is on Captain Cocko's final day roster. Cocko and Taxman traded Joe Nathan for Vlad straight up. Joe Nathan is still on TAxman's final roster


End of story: CLV and Tax did trade vlad/wagner for Broxton/Jones. That would have been done thru the Yahoo system and the rosters support this.

As for the draft picks, post 85 has CLV postig the trade w/ picks but does not have Taxman confirming it.


However there was one other manager who came to me mentioning that he had a trade w/ clv involving a draft pick but that he only found out about the draft pick after the fact.
CLV, whenever you are making trades involving picks you MUST email the manager before he accepts the offer. After the offer has been accepted, then forward that original email to the other manager to me. This goes for everybody. From here on out, if the proper documentation is not there, draft pick swaps will not stand. Simply emailing me the message you sent to the other manager will support your case.

It has been noted many times before that Yahoo's trade feature does not always transmit notes/messages about a trade.

As for the draft picks involved, I will have to investigate further. There IS only 1-sided confirmation. I don't want to leave a loophole for people to make trades and get out of picks by simply not posting. But I also don't want to leave a loophole for people to gain picks by abuse (and I do NOT believe this was intentional) of a poor Yahoo trade system.
24Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 15:31
Ok, trades and picks stand as posted. Everything checks out. ClV, please don't take it personally. It was never anything about you. Just doing my 'due diligence' to answer the questions.
25 Fat Bastard
      ID: 34138614
      Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 16:33
Yo boyz. If anyone is interested in making a trade, throw me an offer and not a bone. Since this aint really "MY" team, I obviously will need a year or two to make the team I like. I am up for listening to anything. As of right now, I really don't see me doing much cause I am confused looking at these messages. One team has 6 keepers and 4 first round picks. Hmmm. Don't take it personal, I am just trying to understand. Maybe now that I am officially involved, I will get the hang of it. Well, enough of this cyber crap, time for a beer and some felatio. Later.
26Midget
      ID: 521291319
      Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 20:53
Trade announcement:

Lay Down And Shut Up gets C Beltran and M Young

Midget gets A Soriano and M Kemp

... pending approval reply from LDASU
27 ISuckBalls
      ID: 30111411
      Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 12:01
Wiggs has 7 keepers listed????
28wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 12:15
They are not official keepers, those are who i am deciding between


I will trade you someone if you want :)
29wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 17:42
Keepers
Prince Fielder
Jimmy Rollins
Matt Holliday
Johan Santana
Johnaton Papelbon
Alex Rios


Still hoping to make a trade or 2 for some of my left overs.

Abreu
Joba Chamberlain
Matt Cain
Hideki Matsui
Carlos Marmol
CJ Wilson
30Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 19:33
Ok all. We had another managerial change. Adam has given up his team. I guess 4 kids really eats into your time. A new manager is in place. Its a local buddy of mine and Isuckbaseballs.

He'll need some time to review the team and decide keepers.
31wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 20:36
Uncle Greg is supposed to take care of those kids :)
32Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 20:48
Uncle greg has 3 kids of his own to take care.
33Lay down and Shut up
      ID: 101391520
      Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 21:39
Just confirming the trade I made with the midget
34 Fat Bastard
      ID: 14110165
      Mon, Feb 16, 2009, 06:10
So does the draft start today or a little later. Not everyone has posted the keepers including myself. I am only waiting so I can see who is still available in the draft. Than I have an idea of my 6th keeper. Let me know please.
35Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Mon, Feb 16, 2009, 07:48
FB, the draft will be at least a week to 2 weeks away. We are extending the keeper deadline for the other new team. I have to set up the draft site and get everybody registered and get all keepers inputted. In fact, you guys should receive the draft site info later today. Any first time users of kafenatid can call me for help getting an account set up.
36Lay down and Shut Up
      ID: 2411213
      Mon, Feb 16, 2009, 10:22
Trade announcement
LDASU trades Morneau and Lackey
with Midget for Hafner and Lidge
37Midget
      ID: 521511617
      Mon, Feb 16, 2009, 18:53
Confirmed.
38wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:12
do we have an email for the new manager?
39 jason
      ID: 29113201
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 02:43
I am looking to trade, I am interested it communicating with CV Braves, Lay Down and Shut Up (wise), Basement Dwellers (souza), and Lock Up Clemens (Dieter). Please contact me, as I have sent out an email, Jason. My team is:
Hoover's Keepers

C Jason Varitek
1B Adrián González
2B Plácido Polanco
3B Casey Blake
SS Orlando Cabrera
OF Nate McLouth
OF Gary Sheffield
OF Brad Hawpe
Util Ryan Theriot
BN Ken Griffey Jr.
BN Eric Byrnes
DL Mike Lowell
P Kevin Gregg
P Trevor Hoffman
P Randy Johnson
P Brian Wilson
P Ricky Nolasco
P Roy Oswalt
P Joe Blanton
BN Carlos Zambrano
BN Kyle Kendrick
BN Oliver Pérez
BN Randy Wolf
BN Erik Bedard
DL Chien-Ming Wang
40 Jeff Souza
      ID: 511362311
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 12:37
Basement Dweller's keepers are as follows:

Aramis Ramírez
Carlos Lee
José Valverde
Dan Haren
Brandon Webb
Derrek Lee

However, I am considering any trades and reserve the right to change this until the lock in date. When is the new lock in date for keepers by the way?
41 I Suck
      ID: 54144248
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 09:44
Change in keepers:

drop Brad Zeigler add Josh Johnson
42Khahan
      ID: 1065339
      Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 12:44
We have until Friday at 11:59 pm to post keepers. If they are not posted, I am posting them for you and decisions are final.
43 Jeff Souza
      ID: 54182717
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 18:09
Basement Dweller's trade Jon Lester to Jason(not sure of your team name) for a 5th round pick.
44 Jeff Souza
      ID: 54182717
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 18:15
Greg,
I sent the email confirming the trade to you as I could not attach on this site.
45 jason
      ID: 451332717
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 18:42
traded 5th rounder for lester

p jon lester
1B Adrián González
OF Nate McLouth
P Trevor Hoffman
P Roy Oswalt
P Brian Wilson
46 Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 20:43
CLV...Kahan

I have no recollection as to including my first draft pick in the trade :

vlad/wagner for Broxton/Jones

Think about it. At the time, Jones was lights out hitting and Vlad was not hitting for power/RBI's or avg. Wabner was old and injury prone at the time. Please send me/post some proof/indication that I conceeded a 1st round pick in that trade.

thanks
47Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 20:53
I found the following on last years season thread posted by CLV:

AllTax-CV's NC Braves trade...

Braves receive Chipper Jones, Jonathon Broxton, and AllTax' 2009 1st Round pick

AllTax receives Vladimir Gurrero, Billy Wagner, and CV's NC Braves' 2009 6th Round pick.


There is no concurring post by me wherein I agreed to exchange of draft picks. Hopefully CLV has a kept copy of trade e-mails between us. I have no trade e-mails between us.

Thus I contest the trade of draft picks until I can see something that supports the draft pick swap.
48Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 21:05
Tax and CLV, please check your email.
49Fat Bastard
      ID: 34138614
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 22:16
Allrighty than. My super pathetic keepers are as follows:

Kinsler - 2B
Atkins - 3B
Crawford - OF
Bay - OF
Markakis - OF
Ryan - RP

When does the draft officially start cause I got the first pick and I am gonna be away from the computer all weekend until late in the evenings.
50clv on laptop
      ID: 2711532410
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 12:21
All I can tell you is that I posted it on the thread when it was agreed to and made note of it on my spreadsheet (just as with all trades). If it's that big an issue, feel free to replace me and let him have his pick that the new manager should have received. Take your pick and consider it everytime you deal with someone else in the future - "buyer's remorse" is a serious illness and shouldn't be taken lightly.

(Sorry, I don't keep fantasy baseball trade e-mails archived. Didn't realize this was serious enough business for Congressional inquiry.)
51clv on laptop
      ID: 2711532410
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 12:25
By the way - what exactly is there to "recollect"? I posted it in last year's thread (you mentioned you found the post), offered on Yahoo, and you accepted there without a peep on the thread here UNTIL NOW.

Sketchy if you ask me.
52wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 14:37
I will say sometimes there are issues with Yahoo- I know i sent out a bunch of football trades this year asking for picks from teams that were in contention this season- I think 1 was like Ward and his 2nd for someone (mendenhall) or someone. The guy accepted on yahoo but then when I posted on the roto thread he was like- no there was no pick involved. We canceled the trade, but yahoo was the culprit. I hope that we can work this out without CLV leaving- he is definitely an asset to the league.
53Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 15:34
Dear "Sketchy"..don't need your attitude.

Never said trade didn't occur as you report. Did state I can't find confirmation of picks included. Been doing keeper leagues a long time and have always shied away from trades involving future picks that compromise my future. 1st pick is a huge compromise. That's what started me searching for the non existant confirmation. Glad it's in your notes because otherwise no one would know about it.

btw...Did you work in the recent Bush administration?

My question was asked pleasantly w/o attitude because:
1) I have no e-mails about this trade in the 19 saved for this league dating back to Jan 2008;
2) a concurring post in appropriate Guru thread by both managers is SOP in every Guru based fantasy league I've participated in for last dozen years or so;
3) No notice of the draft picks traded sent to commissioner (if not a requirement, certainly a necessity);
4) CLV's post last year re this trade made July 6, six days after Adam sent league wide e-mail stating:"I agree that changes need to be made. We need to go to 2 keepers and perhaps just stay there, but maybe go to 4 in the future" Such a rule change significantly alters the value of first round picks.
5)CLV posted other trades involving draft picks on July 2nd and 3rd, neither of which were confirmed.
6) Both trades reported in this (2009) thread have been confirmed.

I don't remember having my character called into question previously (for reference, I'll ask wiggs to pipe in about controversy between him and me this past football season in Poli Football). There is always an amicable settlement when it is sought by both parties. Not the case here. Demeaning remarks and taking my ball and going home serve no end in resolving honest questions.

I have no interest in continuing this dialogue or of returning insults and innuendos. Water seeks it's own level.

That said, let the trade stand as CLV claims.

... and let me take my ball and go home (whenever Greg has found a replacement). When something ceases to be fun, one should find something else to do. Greg...you can replace me now if that is an option, otherwise, please find a replacement before 2010 season. No I won't disappear or quit on you.

Each draft in this league has been keenly deficient of courtesies by some managers. The same rude and inconsiderate people consistantly run the clock (some will run all but ten minutes) dragging out each round beyond comprehension. With functional and easy to operate kafenatid.net queue and designated picker systems, draft disappearance indicates another courtesey besides lifting the toilet seat before you piss that you mother failed to teach.

I know and enjoy Greg and wiggs, otherwise, not so much. Thank you for all your work in this league Greg. You have been/are a top notch commishioner.
54Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 16:06
I sent a private email asking you guys to work it out and let me know the resolution. CLV, you chose to make resolving this a public matter and you chose to resorting to threats of leaving. Neither of which are things I appreciate.

If you're answer truly is, "He can have his way, but I quit over this even though I decided to make the decision," then please officially leave. I will find your replacement.

I've had similar situations in other leagues and the matter has always been resolved amicably between the 2 parties if they were just willing to sit back and talk.

But this is supposed to be for fun and we really don't need the drama. Work it out by Monday evening or I re-review everything and make my decision and then whoever wants to leave because they didn't get their way in life may go.
55Midget
      ID: 12142818
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 19:11
Well said, Evil Commish.

Up the irons!
56clv on laptop
      ID: 2711532410
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 19:13
"There is no concurring post by me wherein I agreed to exchange of draft picks. Hopefully CLV has a kept copy of trade e-mails between us. I have no trade e-mails between us.

Thus I contest the trade of draft picks until I can see something that supports the draft pick swap."


That doesn't sound "personal" to anyone else? Sounded to me like my character was publicly questioned. "Provide e-mails you liar" is what I took from that.

As for being the whiner that took his ball and went home, I assumed that it would be better for a replacement to make his/her own decision about keepers and be able to draft from the beginning so the team was their "own" as much as possible.

"5)CLV posted other trades involving draft picks on July 2nd and 3rd, neither of which were confirmed."

No mention of the fact that neither of those trades have been contested? I haven't seen anyone ever mention that "Guru SOP" was law - sorry, but I always make sure I understand all trades before clicking "accept", regardless of what site the league runs on. You mean to tell me that you saved e-mails about this league from last January, accepted a trade involving Vlad/Wagner/Chipper/Broxton, proceeded to trade Vlad for someone else (that you also questioned), but maybe you should also get Broxton and Chipper back since you didn't follow SOP and confirm the trade? I haven't noticed either of those other managers calling me a liar. Maybe they want their picks back since they evidently ignored SOP as well?

I truly am sorry for the drama, and realize how childish all this sounds to everyone else, but I feel like my character has been questioned publicly ever since Tax initially questioned the trade over two weeks ago. The later response that day from Greg was that everything had "checked out", so I thought it was a non-issue. I was just as mad then, but felt it was better for all involved to simply bite my tongue and move on.

I have always enjoyed the league, particularly the trash-talk from the handful of you guys that actually know each other, and am only offering to leave to alleviate bad karma for everyone. The reason for this abrupt offer was so that the draft could be delayed a day or two to find a replacement for me. I'm more than willing to try to get beyond this and stay as long as needed. However, I will maintain that I do feel unfairly "singled out" - you didn't remember trading Vlad, why aren't you barking about that?
57 Jeff Souza
      ID: 54182717
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 21:06
Can't someone just come up with some kind of compromise and we all just get along? It is a long season(hopefully full of trash talk) so let's try to resolve this so there is no hostility to start the season. Nobody should quit or leave the league over a misunderstanding. Let's just learn from this and keep better documentation of any kind of trade from here on out. Let's have a good season!
58Fat Bastard
      ID: 34138614
      Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 23:38
I know I only know two of yall, Greg & Skip, but what the hell is goin on. Maybe I would understand if I knew what yall were talkin bout, but I don't. So I will just sit here with a six pack and butt naked in front of my computer and watch carefully.
59Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 01:03
from my rambling post 53:

I have no interest in continuing this dialogue or of returning insults and innuendos. Water seeks it's own level.

That said, let the trade stand as CLV claims


What is confusing or unclear about those statements. This issue is concluded/ended/fine/caput/overwith
60Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 10:14
Tax, I'm sorry to see you go then. Especially in this manner. I'm sure we'll see each other in an RIBC league somewhere down the road or another league that pops up somewhere.



Now for the business side of things: There was some rumblings last year about the quality of the league as the talent pool was rather top heavy to the top 3-4 teams. Combine that with the fact that we've already had 2 delays to bring in 2 new managers and I have a proposal:

Contraction. We'll be an 11 team league. That will put more players back into the pool for the draft and for future drafts. Kind of solve 2 problems at once. We can move forward w/out further delay and get a player talent injection.
61wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 11:45
wow, that is throwing a whole lot of good players back in the draft. Wish i finished towards the bottom last season
62Midget
      ID: 12142818
      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 12:24
I'm on board with whatever the Evil Commish decides on. And in that case, I'm glad my team sucked last year!

Three cheers for the Evil Commish! Hip hip, MONKEY! Hip hip, MONKEY!!
63 ISuckBaseBalls
      ID: 21230220
      Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 21:31
Wow, I just read all this stuff after returning from my Florida vacation. If this is the kind of petty bickering over a league that is for fun only and involves no money, I really have to chuckle. Someone's pride was hurt, someone said this or shook on that. You all need to watch "Fiddler on a Roof" when you get a chance. Know it, learn it, live it! Let's just get on with the draft, I have no time for this foolishness. BTW spring training fever was infectious down south, wish I would have stayed long enough to attend a game, next year for sure.
64Fat Bastard
      ID: 37243311
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 12:43
Yo guys. Just want to give yall a heads up. I have limited access to a computer during the day between 6 AM and 3 PM. My company is looking to layoff people for anything right now. At least when it is my turn, I will have 2 in a row. I just hope that either Greg or Skip will call me and let me know when it is my turn. I have about 15-20 minutes during lunch and that is about it. I will do my best to make the draft go smoothly when it is my turn, but please don't get disgruntled when maybe I take forever, it's because I can't get to a computer without my bosses eyeballing me.
65Midget
      ID: 58254619
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 21:36
Draft is officially starting on Mon 3/9, correct?

I'm sure I'm missing it, but will someone re-post who the keepers are for Capt Cocko and Evil Empire? Thanks.
66Fat Bastard
      ID: 34138614
      Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 10:54
You might know more than anyone. I can't even get onto the draft site to set up a que so I don't slow things down possibly.
67Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 12:56
Guys, the league draft site is still down. Kafenatid gives you 3 rounds free, then you have to pay. I got the first 3 rounds of keepers inputted and sent in payment via paypal. It normally takes 24 hours to open up. Its now been 4 days. I've emailed the site admin to please fix it. However, I cannot continue entering keepers until it is fixed.
68Fat Bastard
      ID: 34138614
      Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 19:23
Hey, that sounds like someone who knows what the hell they are doing. Sorry, I aint used to that. If ya could though, list everyones keepers so at least when the things do get up and running, I and all of us are not going into it kinda blind by trying to figure out who is still available. Uh thank ya, thank ya very much.
69wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 01:02
come on guys, this is the most ridiculous draft i have ever been apart of. time outs every round
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