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Subject: 2009 RIBC AAA IL - preseason and draft discussion

Posted by: JeffG - Leader [01584348] Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 22:19

2009 RIBC AAA IL Sign up thread

Here is the list of 2009 RIBC International League managers (with 2008 team name if different):

1. JeffG
2. Tosh
3. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
4. dpr
5. Kevin (Boobs)
6. Joe (J'Lucky)
7. blue hen
8. Khahan
9. R9 (TEh 9erzs)
10. Nerfherders
11. RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
12. Fosten
13. Athletics Guy
14. Peter N
15. gurudan
16. Tequila

I need an email for RoboGuru, the rest have received the e-vite to kafenatid for the draft. Please join the group if you already have not.

As soon as the RIBC makes official where their league will be hosted (Yahoo or ESPN), I'll set up our league as well, and email the sign up info.

The draft will be launched on Monday March 9, with no clock for the first week. The 6 hour clock (with a moratorium from 1am-7am ET) will go into effect on Monday morning March 16.

We'll give everyone a week to relax and prepare. On Monday March 2, sometime in the morning ET, we'll begin the process to randomize the list of managers for the draft order selection process, and immediately start that process. Please be sure to check back in here from time to time for updates, to discuss any league related matters, and for just good old fashioned trash talking.

RoBoGuRu
ID: 321202222
Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 23:20

aqtytan@yahoo.coom

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 08:46

Thanks in advance Jeff for your efforts. Looking forward to "Batter Up!"

dpr
ID: 13443116
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:28

I never got the invite to kafenatid.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 17:05

You clowns are going down.

Fosten
ID: 500461016
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 00:44

I used to know a clown named blue hen.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 16:54

I propose we set a 30 minute time limit for Fosten's picks.

Fosten
ID: 591125133
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 21:52

And please allow blue hen extra time if needed, so he can try to make a somewhat reasonable attempt at beating the Munson Mobsters. Haha! Hello everybody! Looking forward to the season!

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 14:36

From Guru:
Based on the lukewarm response we got for a switch to ESPN, I'm going to keep the RIBC league at Yahoo for this season.

However, I hope that at least one of the QLs decides to use ESPN. As an inducement, for any QL that uses ESPN, I'll offer to develop and produce the same daily standings splits that I provide for the RIBC.

At the end of the season, I'll be curious to hear how any league using ESPN found the experience to be, compared to Yahoo. Hopefully, next year we can make a better informed decision to host all leagues at a common site.

Does anyone object to me volunteering for us being this BETA league? Unless there is objection, I don't mind giving it a shot. If anyone is really against it, perhaps we can discuss with the PCL trading managers?

I'll send out an email to all so I can make sure everyone has a chance to speak up.

Fosten
ID: 500461016
Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 23:23

I already voted in favor of ESPN in the other thread out of support for blue hen. And I still vote ESPN. Yay!

Tequila
ID: 381152210
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 05:43

from my experience with espn basket league i would vote against it. I tried the espn experience a couple of season ago with a h2h basket league.
My friends and i switched back to yahoo immediately the year after. I can recall slowness in the stats update, difficulties with looking for players in the open market (you know in yahoo it's very easy you can select last week,month,season stats easily, you can sort for yahoo ranking or whatever)

I don't know what's the situation for baseball league with espn, if anyone has ever tried an espn league we could have some more feedback.

thanks

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 07:06

In the Gurupie 20 Team Basketball League, we are currently using ESPN. Thus far, I have had no problems with it. I would have no problem using ESPN for this league.

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 08:05

ESPN

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 08:18

I'll register where ever the league is set up.

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 11:48

ESPN sounds good to me I look forward to trying it.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 12:18

Tequila - You are the only one with some reservations. Yes, the sortable stats on Yahoo by those different date ranges. I too find them a very useful tool that we would lose (if you are in another league that uses Yahoo, you'd at least have that tool you can still go back to there). I am not sure what ESPN offers in that regard for baseball. I have no other experience with ESPN fantasy baseball, but have played many of their other fantasy offerings without any problems.

Would you be willing to give ESPN a shot anyway, it may be good for the feedback we provide Guru to include some opinions from folks that had initial reservations about trying it. Plus I believe we may even have a pipeline in this forum with folks who work at ESPN.

dpr
ID: 13443116
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 14:16

I am fine with either.

In response to Tequila however. I joined a free league there to check it out and it seems they have some of the stats that you are asking for. You can search for stats for the previous 7 15 and 30 days. Also if you go to the research tab it includes ranking for those same periods. There ratings isnt an ordered list however but a number. It seems they have everything you are looking for tho.

Building 7
ID: 70243116
Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 17:00

I'm in the AAA Pacific league. We're going to use Yahoo. I'd be willing to switch leagues if someone wants to use Yahoo over ESPN....if it's not too late. I'd like to use the same day transaction/ put the guy in your lineup feature.

Tequila
ID: 381152210
Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 03:41

it's ok for me to try espn, no problem.
About the stats what i meant is that the stats were there but it was difficult to navigate in them, sometimes the sorting wasn't so good and sometimes you had all the taken players in the middle of the stats and it was boring to find some free player or to compare the stats of the free players. Anyway i hope the fixed it, it was a couple of season ago.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 13:22

I set up the league on ESPN. Please review the settings.

League Name - RIBC AAA International League 09
League ID - 88773
Privacy - Private
Scoring Type - Rotisserie
Teams in League - 16
Game Type - Custom

Current Roster Size: 25
Total Starters: 21
Total On Bench: 4 (0 DL)

POSITIONS
Catcher (C) 1
First Base (1B) 1
Second Base (2B) 1
Third Base (3B) 1
Shortstop (SS) 1
Middle Infielder (2B/SS) 1
Corner Infielder (1B/3B) 1
Outfield (OF) 4
Utility (UTIL)1
Pitcher (P) 7
Starting Pitcher (SP) 1
Relief Pitcher (RP) 1
Bench (BE) 4

Limit Batters to 1944 games played -- 162 average games played per slot.
Limit Pitchers to 1350 innings pitched -- 150 average innings pitched per slot.

Scoring Batting
Runs Scored (R)
Runs Batted In (RBI)
Stolen Bases (SB)
Slugging Pct (SLG)
On Base Pct (OBP)

Scoring Pitching
Earned Run Average (ERA)
Strikeouts (K)
Walks plus Hits Per Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Wins (W)
Saves (SV)

Player Universe - All MLB Players
Season Start Date - Sunday, April 5 (First Day of Regular Season)
Lineup Changes Daily - Slots Lock Individually at Scheduled Gametime
Roster Changes Daily - Rosters Lock at First Game of Day
Observe ESPN's Undroppable Players List - Yes
Make League Viewable to Public - Yes
Trade Limit - No Limit
Trade Deadline Friday, August 28, 12PM ET (Week 21)
Trade Review Period - No Trade Review
Votes Required to Veto Trade - No Trade Review
Free Agent/Waiver Acquisition Limit - No Limit
Waiver Period - 2 Days
Waiver System - Move To Last After Claim, Never Reset Order

I'll send everyone the invite info shortly.

So we can add players to our roster and use them the same day. Based on the way the roster lock is worded, it looks like we can only do that up until the first pitch of the first game of that day. So a player we add after the first game of the day begins will appear on our roster the next day similarly to Yahoo.

dpr
ID: 13443116
Sat, Feb 28, 2009, 14:44

Just to let everyone know: I am going to be traveling from tuesday til sunday of next week. I should be able to get limited computer access(2-3x a day?) so wont totally hold things up. With us just picking draft orders and maybe a few picks where I wont need much research I don't anticipate it being a problem.

Also later in March I will again be gone for a week but once the draft is underway leaving queues becomes easier so I dont foresee a problem

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 08:56

Ok gang. Time for the draft position process to begin.

I need two ordered sets of the integers 1-16 from two different RIBC managers. The first will be used to resequence an alphabetical list of managers, and the second will define the selection order.

Please email them to me. You can just click below, cut and paste, and send them to me.

You can use this link from the query I set up on Random.Org

We have plenty of time to get through this process as I am not launching the draft until next Monday 3/9 with no clock, and will turn on the clock on Monday 3/16. Even so, it is always better if you set everyone's expectations if you expect any away time or choose to take some time to consider your choice.

Thank You

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 12:19

Here is the list of managers alphabetically
Athletics Guy
blue hen
dpr
Fosten
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
gurudan
JeffG
Joe (J'Lucky)
Kevin (Boobs)
Khahan
Nerfherders
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Tequila
Tosh

The first set of numbers from Goldcoach at 11:10 AM ET
1 13 2 10 8 3 5 11 7 6 9 14 15 12 16 4

The second set from khahan At 12:14 PM ET
4 16 15 2 6 11 12 7 13 5 14 10 3 8 9 1

Here is the resulting order for drafting our draft position.

Tequila
Tosh
blue hen
Athletics Guy
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 12:20

When you choose your spot, please fill in here, remove your name from the list following it and paste into your post.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
Tequila
Tosh
blue hen
Athletics Guy
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

gurudan
ID: 17251219
Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 20:51

how do you change your team name at ESPN? i can't find it?

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 00:18

Edit Team Settings on your clubhouse.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 10:23

I just sent an email to tequila in the assumption he may not be checking in to the message board. Hopefully he surfaces soon to get the draft position draft rolling, and I hope everyone else will be occasionally checking in as well.

Everyone is now on kafenatid for the draft. About half left to join the league on ESPN.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 15:44

More chatter please.

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 19:12

And we're (still not) Off!!!!

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 04:15

Has Tequila timed out yet? ;)

Tequila
ID: 381152210
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 05:25

Sorry for the delay, i was shocked for the honour (and the burden) of the first position :)

1. Tequila
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
Tosh
blue hen
Athletics Guy
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 08:10

I will be unavailable until 6:00PM CST. If I come up, give me the highest draft slot available. Thanks!

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 10:05

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
blue hen
Athletics Guy
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 12:22

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
Athletics Guy
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

Athletics Guy
ID: 38216110
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 18:14

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
Fosten
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

Athletics Guy
ID: 38216110
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 18:18

bh, better take a screenshot. This is the only time your name will be above mine.

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 20:49

if your traveling or working hard come monday, fill in your queues and maybe we can finish our draft in one week.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 22:32

Having drafted w/ some of the people in this league, I highly doubt that will happen fear. :(

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 23:33

Yay smack. Are we doing the standings in reverse this year, Mach?

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 00:30

No smack talk. Just the honest truth. i'm keeping my mouth shut about 'who' it is (for now). But a certain person or two in this league has made slow drafting an absolute hell in past years. To the point when I saw him here, I gave serious consideration to switching leagues.

But BH, I GOTTA beat you in this league AND the Dirty Dozen. Can't leave you, sorry.

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 08:21

RE: 32 - Same thing applies again today.

Thanks

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 09:41

I sent an email to Fosten, who is up now, to let him know it is his turn in case he has not been checking in. If time permits, to get this process done, I may do the same and send a courtesy email reminder to anyone else that takes over 4 hours to check in now that everyone else should kind of know where they are in the process. Four picks made in 72 hours is a little disheartening, especially because any "commissioner" related post I made gave everyone a heads up on the league time table.

I'm hoping that with everyone knowing that the draft is starting on Monday 3/9, everyone will be prepared and help keep the draft into a rhythm, and this unfortunate start is not a preview of things to come. We'll need to average a bit more than a round a day which works out to an average of one pick an hour (just considering waking hours). The 'no clock' rule for the first week was not meant to give folks a couple of days to think when they are up, but just to get the draft going a week earlier without putting too much pressure on everyone. If after the 6-hour clock goes on, anyone times out, their clock will be manually reduced to 4 hours for subsequent picks. I do not want to be a babysitter or have to play the heavy as a league dictator, but to me the draft is part of the fun of fantasy sports which changes if things go sour.

I know that this portion of the draft process may not be representative of the actual 25-round player selection and understand that we all have work, school, life and other obligations during the three-plus weeks that this draft is going on, but all we ask is that everyone check in from time to time, give a little consideration of a heads up to the folks here if there are expected delays out of your control, and remember that the other managers here are willing to assist if you just ask, be it an email or a text message, even a phone call, or to be designated picker if you leave a small queue.

For those who anticipate any issues, please let me or another league manager, know what can be done to help.

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 11:17

im gonna be in a hospital all day with no internet access...i will check in as soon as i can this evening to make my selection(no later than 8 or 9 EST, but i am on PST)...hopefully i dont hold things up too long

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 12:49

I vote that at 6:14 tonight, Fosten forfeits his pick. Who is with me?

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 12:56

I vote for now. Most leagues on these boards use an 8am to 11pm est running clock. Assuming that as a guideline, he's had 9hr 45mins to make a pick. We still have to get thru 11 other people after him then complete a 16 person 20+ round draft, then give Jeff enough time to enter in picks into yahoo.

I say move on and he gets the last spot open by default.

I'd also like to suggest that everybody post their email asap. That way, when you post your draft slot, you can email the next manager in line to give him a heads up.

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:14

Re draft position selection...You could always send a queue to the commissioner. Its not like there's 500 positions to choose from. See Post 32 and 41

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:17

Lets remember we're still not drafting for four more days, not that we want to drag this out.

I'll wait until 6:14 PM tonight, which is 24 hours from when Fosten was on the clock, to invoke commissioner authority and invoke the time out rule. If it comes down to that, I'm next and I'll select, and then we countinue down the list. So if you are after me, try to be ready.

If Fosten does time out, like timeouts during the regular draft, he can chime in any time afterwards and make a selection from the available slots.

I'm going to send out another league wide email asking everyone to be sure that they know their place on the queue and be sure to be ready tonight or tomorrow. As an option, if you are still up to pick and have a game plan for what slot you want, feel free to email me with your instructions and I can post the selection for you when your slot comes up.

If you want to see anyone's email address by the way, simply look at the sign up sheet or the distribution list from my prior league wide emails. or go to the league page on ESPN.COM where I beleive you can select to send a message to another manager,

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:23

Re 45: He can enter the picks into Yahoo until the cows come home, but that's not where we're playing.

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:32

bh...don't be too hard on Khahan; He's just sssooooo000 excited.!

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:55

i pick 15 so jeff put me down whereever when it's my turn if i'm late. robo guru's pretty smart. he's gettin' the lump cut out b4 the season starts, so he can't choke.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 15:18

Anyone interested in implementing a C clock? If someone times out twice, they get skipped automatically each turn?

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 15:22

For my queue, I want whatever spot Jeff takes.

:p

I'm around and on MSN/AIM, so if I haven't picked 1/2 hour after I'm up someone nudge me.

If you don't have me on MSN/AIM and want my screenname e-mail me.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 15:48

I found some old threads where Fosten said he can be reached via AIM as Fosten. If any of you have and AIM account, please give it a try to see if he can be located. His email ID is also in FaceBook, I'm there too an I'll put out a 'friend request'.

My plan for timeouts (and I hope it never comes to that) is if someone timeouts once, until they catch up, they automatically time out for all subsequent picks. Even after they catch up, all future picks for that person will be on a 4 hour clock (I'll skip them manually after that time).

It really stinks if it has to come to that because that would be putting the person in the league at a competitive imbalance.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 16:50

Commuting home. Whether Fosten picks or times out, at 6:30 or so I'll be able to make the picks for me, Goldcoach, and Peter N. So R9 and RoBo and kahan will be up next. I also have Kevin's instructions.

Fosten
ID: 281202220
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 17:05

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose
JeffG
Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
Peter N
R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 17:40

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

Remaining order left to choose

R9 (TEh 9erzs)
RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 17:51

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16. R9

Remaining order left to choose

RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

Fosten
ID: 281202220
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 21:12

Posting for RoBoGuRu...

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9. RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16. R9

Remaining order left to choose

Khahan
Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 23:26

fear the monkey/ gurudan picks his queue for draft order- at my turn in order 15,14,13,12,11,10 goin' to bed

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 00:45

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9. RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. Khahan
16. R9

Remaining order

Kevin (Boobs)
Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 07:25

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9. RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
10.
11.
12.
13.
14. Kevin
15. Khahan
16. R9

Remaining order

Nerfherders
Joe (J'Lucky)
gurudan
dpr

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 09:50

I have Joe's selection request via email and gurudan's above. Since dpr gets the leftover, as soon as Nerfherders posts his choice, this selection process over.

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 10:34

Are you going to open up the kafenatid draft early then?

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 11:34

Here was my plan.

I'll set the draft order on kafenatid and launch the draft some time Sunday evening 3/8 (since Tequila who has the first pick in the draft posts on the boards between midnight and 6AM my time).

I'll turn the '24 hour clock' on sometime Monday morning 3/9 soon after the first selection of that morning.

I'll change the clock to 6 hour with pauses from 1AM to 7AM ET on Monday morning 3/16 soon after the first selection of that morning.

It looks like just Kevin (Boobs), Joe (J'Lucky) and R9 (TEh 9erzs) are the only ones who have not joined our league in ESPN yet.

What is everyone's position on doing rationales? It optional for those who want to participate. We can do the traditional 2 round delay rationale. We do them all at the end in a post draft recap. We can come up with something totally different if any of you have ideas. Or we can do nothing at all.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 11:38

When I've been in the RIBC, I enjoy writing the rationales. When I'm in AAA, I find it to be a chore.

My vote would be a summary at the conclusion of the draft.

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 13:08

I'm with Tosh. A nice summary with specific questions such as; what was your predraft strategy? How well did you stick to it? What adjustments did you make during the draft and why?

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 13:52

Sure. I agree too.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 14:40

Just got an email from nerf (took 10), then used Joe's instructions from his email (slot 11), and gurudans instructions from [59] (slot 13), leaving dpr with slot 12.

1. Tequila
2. Tosh
3. blue hen
4. Athletics Guy
5. Fosten
6. JeffG
7. Goldcoach (Goldgloves)
8. Peter N.
9. RoboGuru (RoBoTsRuS)
10. Nerfherders
11. Joe (J'Lucky)
12. dpr
13. gurudan (Fear the Monkey)
14. Kevin (Boobs)
15. Khahan
16. R9

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 15:51

Here is the draft order using our kafenatid names

1 Tequila
2 Tosh
3 davelipman
4 AthleticsGuy
5 Fosten
6 jeffg
7 Goldcoach
8 PeteN.
9 RoboGuru
10 jrdoolit
11 Joe
12 drussell743
13 gurudan
14 KSOLOIVE
15 Khahan
16 RogueNine

Fosten
ID: 281202220
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 22:49

Anybody against starting the draft this weekend without a clock (in case someone doesn't check the thread til Monday)? I'm eager to get started!

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 17:38

I am launching the draft. I cut and pasted Guru's RIBC draft guidelines. Just note the following exception: The 6 hour clock will not go into effect until 3/16, and will be in effect for the remainder of the draft, including weekends. A 24 hour clock will be instituted tomorrow morning 3/9. We will not be doing round by round rationales, but I hope that everyone will participate in a post draft recap thread.

We will once again use a 6 hour clock. The clock will pause between 1am and 7am ET. I know that the pause times extend late for easterners and end early for westerners, but with a 6 hour pause, this still provides a 12 hour window for any pick which extends through the pause period, which should be ample.

If you time out, the draft will move on. Skipped picks can be made up at any time thererafter. If your turn arises and you still have an outstanding skipped pick, I will probably move the draft on to the next picker. If we get well ahead of pace, I may relax that stance. But hopefully it will not become an issue. This also means that people on the turn have a single clock period to make their first pick, or both picks will be skipped.

Although the clock will be set at 6 hours, we cannot make satisfactory progress if many managers use much of that allowance. We need to average about 1.5 rounds per day, so please do your best to keep up the pace. If we fall behind, managers who are chronically slow may be put on an shorter clock.

We will use this thread for logistical communications, to help others anticipate potential delays, to recruit someone to accept a queue, to announce or solicit trades. Please check this thread regularly throughout the draft, as we will rely on it as the primary means of communication among RIBC managers.

Established draft etiquette is that no undrafted player names should be mentioned either here or in the rationale threads, and in the event of an infraction, should be edited out.

You may draft a player even if he is not currently listed on Yahoo (ESPN). In that event, you will have the first rights to claim that player when he is listed, as long as you preserve that roster slot for him.

Once the draft is completed, you will no longer be able to protect a slot for any unlisted player. At that point, unlisted players will only be available through the standard Yahoo (ESPN)waiver/free agent process.

When you select a player, please list him at the position that you primarily expect to use him. Of course, these positions are not binding, and are only indicative of your anticipated usage. Yahoo (ESPN) position eligibilities will be used throughout the season.

The draft software allows you to set up a queue, and to make that queue available to any other manager who you authorize as a designated picker. Be aware that, as commish, I am automatically authorized as a DP for everyone. Your queue will not be visible to your DPs until it is your turn to pick, and you may specify whether the entire queue should be visible, or only the top name. However, if you do not make your queue "available", then no one will be able to see it when it is your turn. If you want your queue to be used, then please be sure that you have it set as available. If you do not want your queue used, then be sure to make it unavailable. If it is your turn and a queue is available to me, I will make that pick for you unless you have posted explicit instructions to the contrary in this thread.

In order to keep the draft moving at an acceptable pace, please make active use of queues if you expect to be unavailable when it is your turn. Recent drafts have gone very smoothly due primarily to the active use of queues.

The draft will last for 25 rounds. You are not required to draft a player for every position.

Let me just add that I hope that everyone can exhibit a little patience when we hit the likely stall outs that will inevitably happen from time to time (the clock will do it's job), and conversely that those who are going to have an anticipated delay to please give the other managers the courtesy of a heads up.

Let the fun begin.

blue hen
ID: 351241510
Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 18:18

Tequila is on the clock! Looks like Brian Lesher is no longer in baseball, so he will have to select somebody else!

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 14:39

do we have another thread...or did everyone suddenly go silent?

can someone kick Tosh to get this party started

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 15:21

Dude. I've got my guy. Why the rush? There is not a clock yet.

I'm waiting until today's games are over before I pick. One last chance to make sure my #1 pick does not get hurt. (especially since he has had previous injury issues)

You should know from previous drafting experiences with me ... once that clock starts, there is rarely a delay when my turn comes up.

A couple hours. I'll pick.

Fosten
ID: 281202220
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 15:51

Are you serious? I woke up at 8am ready to pick.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 16:01

Yeah. I had my guy picked out at 8am as well. And last night. I refuse to be pressured into taking my #1 pick early, when the clock does not start for a week. We have time.

That brings up something else ... what time does Tequila (who I believe is a Euro) sleep? It will aid me in knowing his time frame ... and waiting for the draft to make a turn.

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 16:06

Not trying to pressure you...just wondering how far we can carry this argument...for the next week do we draft super slow just in case someone pulls a hammy?...maybe i dont make my number 9 pick til after tomorrow's games...just to b sure...that is...if it even gets to b by tomorrow night...

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 16:40

There has to be a balance. If everyone were to use the whole 24 hours this week, and the whole 6 hours the rest of the draft, then we'd be starting the season some time in June (or we should have begun drafting in December).

I agree it would stink losing a first rounder, #2 pick overall, if he gets hurt just a few hours after being selected, but he could tweak something tomorrow or next week just as easy.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 17:02

I'll vouch for Tosh being quick, but I don't really like the idea of waiting when you have your guy.

I am headed out until about 9 PM tonight. Assuming Tosh has picked by then, I'll make my pick on my blackberry from wherever I am.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 17:44

Blue Hen is up.

So JeffG - What is the balance? Nowhere did I claim I was going to use the whole 24 hours. I let the group know I would be selecting in "a couple hours". And I did.

What's the point of announcing on Feb 22 (initial post) that the timed draft will start on Monday morning March 16, if I start getting crap about slow drafting a full 160 hours prior to that?

No hard feelings on my end. Just a little frustration. Game on.

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 18:54

The last thing I want to have is a draft where half the managers are growing frustrated and the other half evaporate. Certainly Tosh stating that he was going to select in a few hours is exactly what I personally appreciate, to set the expectations. The balance is that we will have to get through a round a day come next week, anything we can do this week eases any future pressure.

Because of the importance of the first two rounds of selections, I do not want anyone to time out in rounds 1 and 2, the penalty of a missed or out of turn pick is too severe. So extra leeway needs to be given for people to both become aware that the draft is underway, and to account for unforseen circumstances like lost connectivity, forgetting a kafenatid password and such. I'm not sure if waiting out a few at bats in case of a potential Pujols injury is what the extra time was meant for, but anyone who used a pick 1.01-1.03 and drafted *unnamed* before news of his hip injury may disagree.

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 21:01

nobody will wait on me. who volunteers as my dp's ? wed. afternoon i'm going away til sunday nite late. i'll have access at times but don't know when. i'll set q's but who'll be around to speed things up. i'll check back let me know.

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 21:27

ur gurudan? i will be a dp if u want...

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 21:50

gurudan/monkey - I am also DP by default and can execute your pick unless you state otherwise on this board. If you only want your queue to be used thru certain rounds, so you can check back and adjust or reload, just let us know here.

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 22:06

I'm having a rough time deciding on this pick. Was hoping Cabrera or Sizemore would make it to me. I plan on picking within the next 30 minutes or so.

blue hen
ID: 351241510
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 23:37

Terrible pick, Pete. So far, it looks like you're having the worst draft of all of us.

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 23:59

gone to bed. jeff and robo are my dp's. i'll check back at hi noon on tues.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 08:53

Queue made, draft positions 1 through 8 are my DP's.

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 09:50

WOAH....Can I pleaes get some help? I have 4 drafts going on at kafenatid. I went to input keepers at one of my leagues and thought I was there and added brandon phillips. Turns out I was in the wrong draft. I didn't even know I was up. 20 seconds later 2 more picks have been made. I didn't even look at at who they are.

May I please remake my first round pick? I'll gladly concede that whoever rogue9 picked is off the board for me. But I did not want phillips. he was not on my list. He would not be my choice. I thought I was in a different league.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 09:56

Ahh damn, thought that was an odd pick. If you want one of the two guys I picked post it here, I'm ok with that. We might have to wait for JeffG to check in before we fix this though.

I'm probably out for a few hours, but my queue has enough guys if Khahan ends up taking one of Kinsler or Beltran.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:06

Khahan - ok, just let me know who you wanted 1.15 and we'll make that change. If it was one of the guys R9 drafted, we'll then wait for him to take a make up pick.

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:06

Thanks for being flexible with that R9. But I do have to say, damn you're fast. I inputted my pick, clicked thru the team, the position and clicked on back to league page. I switched windows to look at the keeper league I *thought* I was working on to find the next keeper, came back and sw myself at pick 2.02. I was like 'wtf!!!'

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:14

Khahan, I think you're supposed to post who you want here...

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:25

Posting round pick as Prince Fielder
Sorry all. paying more attention now.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:26

Change made, draft re-launched.

Heads up to anyone that had Phillips in their queue that they'll need to re-load him.

Khahan is back on the clock with 2.02

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:31

BTW, if it gets to gurudan's or PeteN's pick, he left a queue for a DP, but since we had that little glitch, I am not going to execute his pick in case it messed up his queue (or states it is ok to still make his pick here). Any other DPs should probably do the same.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:36

I can text Pete if we get that far. But Gurudan is much sooner.

Kevin
ID: 57247108
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 10:47

Booooooooooooooooooo

100

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 11:49

Anybody have a way to get in touch with Gurudan? We were really making some good progress there. Not that he's going to run out of time, but...

101

dpr
ID: 13443116
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 11:53

he said in post 88 he will be back at noon. So assuming he meant east coast he should be picking any minute. I have to leave for a few hours soon but can easily leave a 2 person queue.

102

dpr
ID: 13443116
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 12:01

Jeff and the guys picking before and after me are listed as DPs.

103

Tequila
ID: 381152210
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 13:21

Re #76
Yes i live in Europe (Italy to be precise)
I'm usually online from 6am to 12am ET and from 3 pm to 6pm ET

104

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 13:30

Khahan 93, actually one of my DP's made my picks. :) So someone in the 1-8 pick range is very fast. I'm guessing its hen.

105

dpr
ID: 19271012
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 14:11

I didnt get an email so i assume my turn hasnt come up but i am having trouble logging into kafenatid. I am checking from a computer without my password saved and I cant remember it. I had a new one sent to my email and that password doesnt seem to be working. It may be that I have just exceeded the number of allowed log ins and it is just security precautions but i cannot get in right now. Shouldnt be a problem as my queue is still good for round 2 but just letting everyone know.

106

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 14:37

Gurudan is still up.

Re 104, it wasn't me.

107

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 14:45

im heading out for a couple hours...hopefully, gurudan will have checked in by the time i get back...i will b ready to pick if it is my turn when i get back

108

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 14:51

[104] was Goldcoach acting as DP according to the log. I got the DP email too but was beaten to the punch.

I sent an email to gurudan about the queue status at 11AM ET. He does have player queued up that he made available for me or a DP to pick, and I'd wager anything that he has this player ranked higher than Phillips, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

Once dan surfaces, I'm sure like yesterday we'll see a flurry of quick activity soon afterwards.

109

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 15:09

It was me. Got the e-mail checked the boards and it looked like R9 was gone for a while so I pulled the trigger.

110

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 15:59

Regarding dp's. At some point I will be setting them. All i ask is that when its my turn please give me a fair chance to make my own pick At least 1 hour. I work but still manage toget here fairly often. But an hour time is not that much in the grand scheme of things to give me a fair chance to realize my time is up, review the prior round worth of picks and decide on my own pick.

111

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 16:17

I usually do. Post 89 made me think he would be gone a while and since it was the turn I hoped to clear it while you were still available. Sorry, I should have waited as are not pressed for time.

112

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 16:25

Nono, you did fine GC. I would've mentioned if I wanted the DP's to wait a bit to see if there was a chance I would be around. And this early, without a clock, I wouldn't have made a queue if I wasn't sure of my picks.

113

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 16:34

Damn, I was hoping to get ARod and Utley with my 2nd and 3rd picks.

114

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 16:40

I also was starting to think A-Rod was going to get back to me. I got good value there though in Upton.

115

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 16:58

Queue left. R9, Kahan and JeffG are DPs

116

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 17:05

I'll be heading home, be back online around 6PM. I have the drive home and local errands to flip flop (again) on who I am leaning towards with the 4 player Q I mentally set up.

blue hen [98] if you can, please reach out to PeteN and let me know if his queue set to available is still valid and could be executed if it comes up.

I too was torn on A-Rod if he would have made it back to me. I was wondering who would pull the trigger, we'll see how he does with Joe/J'Lucky. Definitely a 2nd rounder in our format, but best case is he misses 20% of season.

117

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 17:58

Jeff [116] - I have verified Pete's queue. You can use it as long as needed.

118

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 18:17

I'll be back to a computer for pick 2.15 at about 6:30pm Pacific (a little over three hours from now)

119

fear the monkey
ID: 22249419
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 18:29

tomorrow i'm headin' down south to the land of the pines. i'll set up tonite, check tomorrow before i leave, around noon edt and 8 hours later hope i have internet. my daughter moved in to a new house and the internet is supposed to be hooked up wed.i'll pick dp's so who's up for tonite from 1100 pm to 900 pm wed. i'll set enuff picks to cover me 3 rds. don't be copyin' my goldstar, can't miss, leading to a championship players

120

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 19:52

I just got home...i will make my pick shortly

121

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 22:27

blue hen (86) - I agree, terrible move on my part. If you pick anyone on the Phillies, might as well write-off the rest of your draft. It's almost as terrible as using your 1st round pick on a player who will have a huge hand in ruining your favorite team's season.

122

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Tue, Mar 10, 2009, 23:47

I was going to say that to whoever you picked.

123

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 00:27

Awesome. I'm up on deck in two leagues. It's 12:30 AM. I have my picks ready, so hopefully I can make a move soon.

124

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 07:31

bh, I know. I was just giving you a hard time.

125

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 08:23

3-man queue setup for Round 3. Have a good day fellas. I will be back around 6pm cst.

126

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 14:58

Mach are you gonna pick?

127

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 15:44

Sweet - right on schedule.

128

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 16:54

Fixin to head home. Queue is set just in case. Same DPs

129

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 19:49

anyone know if gurudan is around to make his pick when it comes up...i will keep an eye on it and give him a couple minutes before i pick for him

130

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 19:51

appears he doesnt have his queue available...so i assume he is picking himself...

131

dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 19:53

he set me as a designated picker also. With me having the pick right before him he seems to be saying pick as soon as he is up but I am not quite sure of protocol.

132

dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 19:53

The queue is available to me. do I pick?

133

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 19:57

we havent heard from him in a while...and i believe the design is that if ur queue is available ur allowing someone else to pick for u...if he didnt want that...he couldve turned it off...

maybe give it a few minutes then pull the trigger...

134

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 20:02

his post yesterday say to pick for him...so go ahead

135

dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 20:05

good call. I made the pick.

136

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 20:13

Queue made available for both picks.

137

JeffG
ID: 7044197
Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 22:22

Gurudan just called me. To any of his DP, his queue can be used for Rd 4. Sorry I was not around earlier when his pick came up.

138

JeffG
ID: 7044197
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 00:06

I entered everyone's first three picks onto everyone's ESPN team. I'll probably do it every three or four rounds. Please check it out to make sure I matched up everyone with the right team name, and please let me know if there are any errors.

Kevin - you still need to accept the invite and join the group.

I do not think I can set the waiver order until after the draft is completely loaded, so ignore your current waiver priority.

139

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 04:40

if it gets to me ill pick as soon as i wake up...remember...im on west coast time...so bear with me

140

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 10:08

That's no excuse Roboguru. You were up at 4:40 AM eastern, so we expect you up in an hour or so.

141

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 11:47

Hehe, and of course he is up now.

142

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 12:04

and im up...pick coming momentarily

143

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 12:17

I'm here...Picking in a moment.

144

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 14:21

I'm thinking. Mach took the guy I wanted.

145

Athletics Guy
ID: 49258823
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 14:35

I knew it!

146

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:09

Yeah, and interestingly most projections have Granderson ahead of Dunn, so I guess I win this particular battle.

Mach's team is shaping up nicely. Two very strong pitchers, some power, and some speed. My projections rank him low, mostly due to him having fewer hitters. The bottom four: JeffG, Mach, drussell, and in last place... Khahan!

It's early, but that's interesting. Guess who is in first?

147

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:11

im guessing its urs...

148

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:21

Tosh picked. I am going to wait a few mins, then make Tequila's two picks, then Tosh can go again, then I'll go... this'll be fun.

149

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:22

I just picked for tequila.

150

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:26

I'm trying to decide soon. It'll be a couple minutes.

151

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 15:31

Cool. I am ready. And if you take my guy...

152

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:01

I've got five guys in the queue. I see something negative about every one of them.

When in doubt, just take Jeter I guess!

next ...

153

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:10

yup Tosh, every click now is taking guys with downsides. The five-toolers are long gone.

bluehen - I have not loaded up everyone's picks projections into my projection process yet but you have me bottom 4? After 4 rounds? Really? If that is true, with my roster having 2 OF and a 1B already, I guess I should just join AA now. ;)

Luckily it is early.

154

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:10

interesting...my thoughts are usually the opposite...when in doubt...anyone but jeter...but to each his own...haha

155

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:45

rofl, BH, you know what I think of those ridiculous projections. If I'm ever in first place in the preseason projections, I'm trading my whole team and starting over.

156

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:48

I have found that early projections are pretty bad, if not exactly the opposite. If it makes you feel any better, my projections have me 8th in dirty dozen.

157

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 16:56

I actually find loading the projections useful in seeing where me team measures up and confirming my team's strengths and weeknesses which does actually impact some drafting decisions later on. (with mixed results).

But I agree that early they are very misleading, especially because we have all have filled in different positions.

158

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 17:24

Tosh, I was sure you were going to take The King.

159

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 17:25

If it wasn't my lunchtime, I probably would have given the Jeter pick some more thought. But I didn't want to hold up blue hen in his selection, so I went ahead and picked.

Jeter is certainly on a decline, but he's been the captain of my AL-only keeper team for the last three years, and has led me to a title twice. I feel good about bringing him aboard this team.

160

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 17:26

Bh - I am currently wearing my Felix shirt!

But I needed middle infielders more than another Starting Pitcher.

161

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 17:28

Jason Varitek is a captain as well. It doesn't always help.

162

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 18:29

I need to make this next pick...If it gets to me I'll be around about 10:00 pm eastern

163

Kev
ID: 39211217
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 19:01

My recent distaste for ESPN continues... I can not sign up for the league.. Can someone assist here..? I follow the league invite email link to a page that says WE'RE SORRY -- This page is not accessible until after your Offline draft is completed. Go to your League Office. I go to my league office, and there is no my clubhouse, nothing for me to click to register, etc...

164

dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 19:06

I imagine it is because Jeff started entering the rosters.

165

Kev
ID: 39211217
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 19:18

that is very possible, but i was just as unsuccessful soon after i got the email. I must've been, and may still be doing something wrong. ESPN's new site design keeps throwing me off, after such familiarity to the old layout.. SO i thought i was missing something. But now i have been reminded a few times to sign up, and its not by choice that i am still not in...

166

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 19:27

You can call customer care at 1-888-549-ESPN and they'll walk you through the process.

167

Kev
ID: 39211217
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 19:35

They confirmed I can not get in while the offline draft results are being populated. They also confirmed that the commish can continue, and I will be able to join the league when the offline draft is completed. I will see if I can figure it out then.. Thx

168

JeffG
ID: 7044197
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 21:20

Just DPd for 5.04 Fosten and then picked for me 5.05. Definitely a good thing if you assign at least one DP who picks right next to you.

Kev - I am getting the same message at any other admin page except for the one where I enter the offline draft results. I guess everything locks when the picks are being entered No biggie since no one else can do anything on the league pages until then anyway.

169

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 22:05

blue hen - Back in post 152 I said "I've got five guys in the queue. I see something negative about every one of them." That should be the clue that Felix was not in my queue.

The only negative about Felix is that he does not get enough saves. It was well documented at ussmariner.com that the pitch selection for Felix (too many early fastballs) was too predictable and he got hit hard the first 30 pitches. I'm excited to see how the new manager's playcalling affects his performance. Did you know that Felix had the 2nd fastest fastball among starters in 2008? fangraphs.com

170

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 22:08

I just hope Mauer's back inflamation clears up!

171

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 22:18

More from fangraphs.com, just to continue my thoughts on Felix. I think it's pretty interesting. link

Continuing from the past few days, I this time separated Felix Hernandez’s starts based on the percentage of fastballs he threw within the first 20 pitches. Five times during the season Felix throw 65% or fewer fastballs during this opening stretch. For reference, those five games were: April 1st against Texas, April 6th at Baltimore, April 11 against Anaheim, July 28th at Texas and August 29th against Cleveland.

Counting up the batters that came to the plate within that 20 pitch barrier (including those that finished their plate appearance past the 20-pitch threshold), here were Felix’s relevant totals for those five games:

27 batters faced, 15 ground balls (56%), 1 fly ball (4%), 1 line drive (4%), 8 strikeouts (30%), 2 walks (7%).

That is a pretty dominant stretch and it came against some really good hitting teams. How did Felix do in the other 26 games?

147 batters faced, 55 ground balls (37%), 27 fly balls (18%), 20 line drives (14%), 31 strikeouts (21%), 14 walks + HBP (10%).

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blue hen
ID: 8115717
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 00:46

Yeah, those were big factors in my decision. There are very few pitchers with a groundball rate as high as Felix with a strikeout rate as high as Felix. Hint: all of them were gone by that point.

I've got a really nice core of hitters: the first four guys I took were in my top 20 overall, so I figured it was time to get a pitcher, and Felix was easily the best available.

173

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 01:06

WOW! Waht a game...Syracuse & UConn getting ready to start their 6TH thats sixth overtime.

174

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 12:48

JeffG - After four rounds, my projections also showed you in the bottom 4, and blue hen at #1.

After 5 rounds, I show you in a 3-way tie for #2 (with two more teams within 1.5 points), and blue hen is #10.

175

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 12:57

It's because I took a pitcher. Previously, my ERA and WHIP were 0.00 and 0.00. Now, they're higher. Of course, I still don't have any saves, so that's also irrelevant. The projections really don't mean much until about round 10 or so, and are much better after round 16.

176

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 13:10

Hmm. Maybe Felix isn't as good as I thought. He's a standings killer!

But really, no doubt. JeffG took a closer, so he got the big bump in 3 categories. Volatile. Irrelevant. Choose your word, they all work.

177

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 13:45

It doesn't matter. I will win.

178

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 14:50

One of the things I do in real life is coach a swim team. I coach the 8-12 years olds. We have a meet both days this weekend.

I'll be offline from 6am - 6pm Pacific Saturday & Sunday. Depending how long the lists have to be, I'll try to have some sort of queue, but it's possible there will be delays. Sorry in advance.

179

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 14:54

thanks for the heads up tosh...the delays are alot easier to deal with when we know they are coming...otherwise we end up checking back every 5 minutes for hours and it becomes very frustrating...

180

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 16:58

I'll be out till around 8:00 eastern. If it gets back to me I've left a five man queue. If its empty its your fault for picking them.

PeteN did you ever get my e-mail?

181

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 17:25

Man, we had 10 picks in 3 hours last night and then 6 in 17 hours since. Surely, the weekend will slow us down a bit, but I'm hoping we can make some good progress.

182

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 17:34

It has been a sluggish day, but if it is any consolation, after this pick, 4 of the next 7 folks up until my selection left queues for DPs, and I should be around, in and out, all evening plus have the blackberry for remote access. So we should make progress tonight.

That seems to be what happens if someone takes a few hours, everyone else right up the line locks and loads.

If we get through round 7 by the end of the weekend, that is about a 3 1/2 week pace, which puts us ending 3/31.

The 6 hour clock starts Monday morning. I'll set it right after the first selection of the day after 8AM is made. We'll still have the 1AM to 7AM pause, and no weekend pause.

183

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 17:39

and im one of the 3 that hasnt made my queue available...ill b around to make my own pick

184

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 17:49

I don't have a whole lot of faith that we'll make it that far. But I'll be on the blackberry as well.

185

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 17:59

I will be out all night but I have my trusty iphone handy.

186

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 19:20

Goldcoach - I just saw your e-mail. Fair offer, but I have a strategy going and this would turn my draft upside down. Thanks for the look though.

187

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 21:49

wonder if that trusty iphone has let him down?

188

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 02:42

Nope!

189

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 05:29

ill b checking in around noon east coast time

190

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 09:09

Heading out for a few hours. Set Q for round 7 and and set the guys around me Fosten, Goldcoach and PeteN DP.

191

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 15:37

Good progress last night, especially between the hours of 4 and 5 AM Eastern. Looks like a whole bunch of closers went in a row - Valverde, Wood, Marmol, Broxton, Ryan, Fuentes, and Jenks. I managed to get two of them; I hope you got one if you needed it.

This is where it gets interesting. Up until now, all of my picks have been fairly obvious, but I have no idea where to go from here. Moreover, everybody's got a lot of stars at this point, now we get into interesting stuff like positional needs. I look forward to seeing how the draft plays out.

192

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 16:28

so glad i checked in at 9am...

im going grocery shopping to finalize my selection...hopefully when i get back it will b my turn to pick

193

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 16:54

Sorry for the holdup. Queue got picked clean.

194

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Sat, Mar 14, 2009, 17:26

Pete - you can set "allow DP to enter name" when you have a blank queue. That way I could have picked for you much earlier.

195

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 01:45

4-man queue good for both rounds picks.

196

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 16:29

Nice little run here, especially between 2:30 and 4:30. The unfortunate thing is that all the good players are getting taken.

197

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 19:21

Last night it was 19 picks until my turn, and I left a 14-man queue. There is one guy left, and it's my turn.

I just got back home, and am not sure that is who I really want. I'll need 30 minutes to catch up my draft sheets.

Stay tuned.

198

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 19:53

thats no excuse Tosh...we expect u to have a 20 man queue when u are 19 picks away...each one ranked exactly as u would take them regardless of situation...

and what are these "draft sheets" u refer to...you actually research this stuff?...rookie...

199

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 20:06

After all that, I took the guy on the list.

RoBo - Generally, I just take the previous years stats, sort by HR, and draft. Chicks dig the long ball.

200

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 20:08

Nice one, Tosh. You took the last guy on my list too.

201

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 20:09

ah...that would explain the ichiro and jeter picks...

202

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Mar 15, 2009, 20:19

Well, I figured Wright and Markakis would get lonely as the only guys on my team with .400 OBPs, so I took Cust and Thome this time around. Granted, it's a stretch for any one of the four to reach .400, but they should certainly get close. I thought about going closer here, since Heath Bell is the last reliable one, but I figured Tosh and Tequila already had closers. Oh well.

203

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 00:05

Just a reminder that I am turning on the 6 hour clock starting sometime after the first pick is made around 8AM Monday. We are already midway through round 9 which is much further than I think anyone would have expected. Starting tomorrow, there is no weekend pause for the remainder of the draft, but we will have the 1AM - 7AM ET nightly pause where the clock is on hold.

If anyone is going to have issues with any pick because of the clock, let it be known in this thread. I think we have made enough progress where if an accommodation needs to be made, as long as everyone knows about it we can work something out. No one should have to time out if we can keep this up.

204

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 10:59

I'll feed the smack fire a bit.

I have a spreadsheet with all of our picks and projections for each player. And guess what? Through pick 9.11, I am projected in first place! Mach is projected second, followed by Tosh and then a few guys are bunched together.

The bottom six are goldcoach, gurudan, pete (sucks), khahan, joe, and, in last place, ksoloive! He's also taking the most time for his picks, so I guess that's just karma.

205

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 11:21

One minor flaw. You should always finish first (or at least towards the top) when feeding a spreadsheet with the same projections you are using to base your drafting by.

206

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 11:25

There are more flaws than that. Honestly, in Dirty Dozen I'm much lower - like 6th. I'm not being too faithful to the spreadsheet, plus there is a lot than can happen in 26 picks that I have no control over.

207

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 12:55

All that means at this stage is that you have the best balance Pitchers and Batters thus far. thus you accumlate better total stats. How do you rank using only the average stats (obp/slg/era/ (whip might also be considered but with two closers and only one starter thats slanted as well))

208

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 13:17

We are back... I emailed gurudan and he picked shortly thereafter.

The 6 hour clock is now on.

209

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 15:53

That's not entirely true Goldcoach. If I drafted an entire team of Cecil Fielders (or Jim Thomes), I'd be near the top of stolen bases. That will help me later in the draft, so that has to count for something. Same with saves. Granted, my ERA and WHIP will go up as I might not draft a closer for a while.

That said, I like my team - a lot.

210

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 17:10

Man, where did Khahan go? R9 picked 2 minutes after he did...

211

dpr
ID: 13443116
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 18:43

happened last time around too

212

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 18:58

I had my queue on. I just figured out that I could make my queue '1st pick visible only' (it was already on that) so I'll make Khahan one of my DP's from now on. Just didn't think it was prudent to let the guy who picks right before and after me know who I wanted, but given the '1st pick only' thing that was rather silly.

It could be though that I took someone he wanted? :p He might just be researching a new pick...

213

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 19:13

Good idea R9. Now you know how I've been able to steal all your picks.

The jerk in me would make a comment like "looking at his team, it's no surprise that he's not entire sure how the draft system works." But that would be mean, and if there's one thing Blue Hen is not, it's mean.

I find it interesting that between 7 PM and 1:15 AM last night, we made 15 picks. And in the 18 hours since, we've made five. Rogue made two picks in five minutes, so I'll leave him out of it, but does anyone sense a trend at the bottom of our draft?

214

Kev
ID: 39211217
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 19:39

i will be picking within 15 minutes. thanks..

215

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 22:25

just got home...gotta chatch up with the last 10 picks...selection coming shortly

216

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Mon, Mar 16, 2009, 23:27

I like the David Price pick Fosten. Was contemplating him all day.

217

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 00:12

I don't think there's any chance Price comes close to meeting expectations, especially this year. I expected him to go soon, but I think this is early.

218

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 01:27

Price before a guy like Cain seems a bit early...

219

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 10:17

Sweet. R9, would you like to work out a deal? Cain for Ortiz?

220

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 12:21

This is why I don't like being in leagues with Fosten.

221

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 14:46

Sure, just let me draft him. I'm sure he'll have a great year in Houston.

222

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 14:47

I read some of the RIBC rationales and noticed that my 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks from the 6th draft position (Youkilis, McLouth, and Soria) were Guru's 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round picks out of the 7th draft position.

Bodes well for me since he has never dropped out of RIBC :)

223

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 14:49

er yeah.. He could come in last and not get dropped.

224

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 14:57

Russ Ortiz?

225

dpr
ID: 13443116
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 15:38

I ahve my queue turned on. use it for round 11 only please. I will likely be back by round 12 anyways.

226

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 17:36

I'm curious about what people do between 2 and 5 PM on a weekday that prevents them from picking (or leaving a queue). I'm not condemning anyone; I'm just curious. All I know is sitting at a desk; maybe they're actually somewhere interesting.

227

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 18:42

2-5 tends to be some of the busier times for me at work. Then when I get home I don't always have 5 mins to hop on right away. Once 8pm hits though, I'm usually good to go as long as I'm not distracted by somthing else (finding my attention span getting shorter and shorter as I get older. It happens too often that I open up the internet, see a headline on Yahoo, then go to get a bowl of ice cream and forget what I was doing in the first place!)

228

Fosten
ID: 500461016
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 19:34

Roboguru sends his apologies. He got stuck in the hospital without internet access all day and is now stuck in LA traffic driving home. He would like 11.09 Mike Aviles, SS, KC if commish can make that happen at Kafenatid.

229

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 19:42

Pick made for Robo.

230

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 19:44

I've been waiting all day to make that pick, heh.

Next!

231

dpr
ID: 13443116
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 21:06

looks like khahan got stuck in a big bowl of ice cream

232

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 22:19

Looks like R9's queue only lasted through half his turn before emptying.

233

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 00:01

Yikes, my queue got picked clean. I'll pick within 1/2 hour...

234

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 00:19

Yeah, my queue is in trouble as well. Good job guys.

235

dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 09:33

gurudan: I don't believe sandoval is C eligible in our league.

236

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 09:38

[235] That was me who set Sandoval's position to C when I posted the selection as the DP. OOps. I was using the Yahoo eligibility chart and picked one. I fixed to 1B.

237

gurudan
ID: 332111810
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 12:19

does it matter what position you draft a player as? seems to me, that at espn if sandoval is eligible at c, 1st, and 3rd, i can use him at those 3 or utility

238

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 12:22

What are the eligibility rules for ESPN?

239

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 12:24

POSITION ELIGIBILITY
Player position eligibility is based on two criteria that must be met. Once the following conditions are met, the player's position eligibility will be modified to reflect this.

* Games Played Last Season - A player must have played in a minimum of 20 games in a position to be eligible for that position. The exception is rookies, they will be eligible for the position in which they begin the season.
* Games Played in the Current Season - Once a player has played a minimum of 10 days in a position during the regular season they will have that position added to their eligibility. This means that they will only become eligible for the new position beginning on the eleventh day in that position. These days do not need to be concurrent.

link

240

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 12:31

Thanks... wow ALOT more restrictive.

241

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 12:33

does it matter what position you draft a player as?
It does not matter what position you select at draft time. When the season starts, you can list the player at any slot in which he is eligible.

Listing the position of the player at draft time just helps you and everyone else see in the draft grid what was taken and where the holes are. You can list the player at draft at any position he is eligible for - If you list everyone under UTIL however, I'll change it :)

242

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 13:50

... like clockwork...

243

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:11

Wow, that actually is big and can affect the value of players in here compared to those in the yahoo leagues. Yahoo requires 5 games played in the prior season. Thats quite a bit different from 20. Probably a lot of multi-position players won't qualify where we expect them to. Choose carefully.

244

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:13

I think Yahoo is actually 10, but yes. I wasn't going to say anything until you'd picked up [undrafted].

245

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:34

Damn, thought Scherzer would slip more. Nice pick Pete. Debated between him and Harang, but needed a horse given my other two injury risk SP's...

246

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:44

This is pretty lame. Just about everybody in this draft is making picks quickly. But a few people are taking a long time, over and over again. I am frustrated by making picks late at night or early in the morning. I'd like to pick when I am awake and alert.

If you can't bother to check the draft more than every 3 or 4 hours, what are you going to be like during the season?

I'd certainly be in favor of a 2 hour time limit.

247

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:52

I think you are getting spoiled by the folks in the middle who leave queues, or like me have the blackberry ready to pick from anywhere. It makes the folks who take 2+ hours look slow, but frankly, I don't know how much faster I'd want this draft to go. We get about 20 picks in a day. I like the overall pace of making 1 or 2 picks a day, then being able to regroup in the evenings in my 'war room' and prepare for the next couple of rounds. Especially with a very competitive and knowledgable group of fantasy players. Other than Robo's hospital/traffic issue yesterday, no one has even remotely come close to timing out.

These RIBC drafts always take 3 weeks for 25 rounds, ours will be no different, overall probably a bit less.

248

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 16:58

considering 16 teams, this is actually going pretty quick. I am in an 11 team league that started drafting 1 day before RIBC. that league is now a round behind us.

249

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 17:30

3 weeks for a draft is not "fun". I don't need that much time to go over things in my head.

250

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 19:30

Suckers... I got Giambi in the 13th round!

251

Kev
ID: 39211217
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 19:45

The complaining about draft lags are more and more ANNOYING than the actual draft lags themselves, IMO... It's official! Who's with me? This sentiment has evolved from not just this league, fantasy sport, or current season - but a cumulation of year after year of listening to the brian wrigleys of the world nag nag nag... (but for who's benefit? read on...)

I'm just saying.. For the folks making timely picks... GOOD JOB, the league can start on time -and we have YOU to thank... But to the people making us wait... keep on making us wait if it means you can update your sheet, and make an informed decision.. (yeah i said it -- people will debate this, but read on...)

I am not looking to gain an advantage from seeing player runs develop while i nag and urge someone else to make queues, and thus draft as if this was a pre-ranked autopick draft - instead of seeing how this unique LIVE draft unfolds... Is anyone else?

But, then again... Its all moot anyway... who needs an advantage with a fancy future projecting spreadsheet...?
:)~

Just having a lil fun for a change... No need to get your feathers ruffled blue hen (pun!) :)

252

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 19:50

and i think it is a matter of preference...u say that u hate picking late at night or early am...i hate needing to worry about my draft when i should b working and love when it gets to me anytime between 7pm and 7 am...where u get annoyed with people not moving faster during the working hours, i get just as annoyed when im online in the evening and it isnt moving...

u also have to consider the that not all of us are in the same time zone...ur 10 am frustration is my 7 am sleep...

as for draft being indicative of regular season...i see no correlation...during the regular season, there is little need to check in on ur team every 2 hours...unless u want to overmanage it...

i agree that this draft is moving along pretty quickly...any shorter draft clock would greatly discriminate against people who may work in areas that lack internet connection or cell phone signals (i spend alot of time in hospital basements for example)...

253

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 20:11

Giambi (bh), Percival (AG), and Konerko (me). We're all hoping for a little fountain of youth this year with our round 13 selections, but may end up with 'The Bucket List'.

The next pick puts us halfway through the draft in just under 9 days. I think that satisfies the needs of all: Those who want to deliberate and soak in all the picks before pulling the trigger, those who have to prepare in advance and leave queues for the day to regroup every night and think through the next few rounds, and those who did everything in advance and are just waiting their turn.

254

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 20:32

Nah, Giambi in his prime would never have made it this far. His stats are at a level that's much better than the other players in the same range. Konerko getting drafted a few picks later solidifies it for me, personally.

255

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 21:17

I could take or leave Yunel, Cust and Loney where they went (good players, just taken too early imho) but the rest of hen's team is a list of guys who were at the top of my queue. Thome fell too far, but with Ortiz I couldn't take another DH... Cain and Giambi were two guys I really wanted when he grabbed them.

As far as draft timing, I thought things were really moving well. We've had one (understandable) long delay. There's no way a deep 16-team league like this, in a slow draft format, will be over in anything less than two weeks, so saying '3 weeks for a draft is not fun', well... what were you expecting? :p

256

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 22:13

RE 244
Yahoo new position is acquired after starting 5 games or paying in 10 games in a new position.

A pitcher must start 3 games to qualify for SP
A pitcher must make 5 relief appearances to qualify for RP

Seems looser/faster than ESPN but not a lot.

257

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 22:13

That should be pLaying in 10 games.

258

gurudan
ID: 332111810
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 22:18

why can't we pick a 2 hr. period on a given day and time and change to a live draft and finish

259

dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 22:55

Selecting 2 Cs is going to leave me holes in the rest of my draft but I could not believe how far this guy has fallen ( In hindsight I should have taken him over napoli a round ago)

If anyone without a catcher (or someone who alter misses out on a C target) is interested in Napoli and maybe we can work out a deal. I likely wouldn't ask for much just a player drafted around the same place.

If now trades are to be made I will just hope wieters is up by may and ahs proven himself as a top 5 catcher by june and can be traded for a round 6 pick.

260

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 23:03

258...because that would defeat the point of doing a slow draft...

261

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 23:17

A 2-hour time limit is still a slow draft. Granted, I have kafenatid and my cheat sheet open all day long, out of the corner of my eye, and my blackberry buzzes when it's my turn or time to DP. I'm not expecting all of you to be in the same position, but checking in every couple hours seems reasonable, especially if you know you're 4 or 5 picks away. We are all hardcore fans, aren't we? That's why we like these leagues, because the other people are simply good managers.

262

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 23:24

R9 [255] Thanks for the compliment. As I've said, I am pretty happy with this team. I chose pick #3 and very specifically targeted Wright, Markakis and Roberts. Wright was actually #1 on my list, Markakis was about #9 and Roberts was about #18. The next guy I wanted was Dunn, who I missed by one pick, but Granderson was only one spot behind him on my list. Then the pitching worked out well, and I hit the closer run spot on.

As always, I have a ton of question marks, but I am pretty happy with the calculated risks. The worst-case scenarios for Cust, Giambi, Thome, and Loney are still pretty good, and that was my goal.

dpr [259] I considered both Wieters and Napoli, but both have far too many question marks at this point. But getting them both might have been smart. I guess we'll see.

263

gurudan
ID: 332111810
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 23:36

two hours to finish the whole draft HEN. one minute time limit. you'll have to memorize your sheet.

264

dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 23:54

gurudan you know you are on the clock right? You have been posting so it seems u have time but you have been up for over an hour.

265

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 00:38

Case in point.

266

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 01:25

im sure we all appreciate the irony in what happened here...

267

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 08:41

Re The "Slow" draft. We all knew the paramaters when we signed on. This format allows all managers to participate on an equal footing. We have overseas managers (some leagues have mgrs 12 time zones out) so to do a live draft is not feasible...plus I've done them and they not as much fun. I understand the frustration of w a i t i n g while someone gets home from work, wakes up, or whatever... I'm looking forward to a few guys in the next round too and can't wait to see if they get back to me! If someone takes too long he times out. I'm in this league because I want some stiff competion and if it takes some managers time to readjust each time its their turn to pick that's the price I pay for for quality. Not lets quit bickering about the draft and focus on who we want next.

268

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 10:04

Nah, if someone takes too long, he still has 4 hours to be on the clock.

269

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 10:07

Oh wow, it looks like he's still on the clock, at least for another hour. The unfortunate part is that timing out doesn't really hurt him, because it's not like he was going to pick anyone of import anyway.

270

dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 10:17

When gurudan took awhile last time JeffG said he sent him an email and he picked soon after. I jsut sent an email so hopefully that happens again.

271

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 10:56

I sent an email as well about an hour ago.

Gurudan now timed out, I expect everyone should be ready to continue past his skipped pick. He can make his 13.13 selection any time. If he has not posted his 13th pick before 14.04 comes up, unfortunately he'll be skipped again. When he's all caught up, he'll only get a 4 hour clock the rest of the way. I'll leave it as is so you will see it count down from 6 hours, but when it gets under 2 left, I can update the draft to skip that pick as well.

Lets hope it does not come to that.

272

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:20

I want to pick but I'm not certain of the eligibilty for the guy I want. Unfortunately, the player page is now locked out so I can't check. Is there another easy way to find a players eligibility?

273

dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:24

you could sign up for a free team, or hope into a mock draft to see where they place him. Or jsut look at where he played last year

274

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:28

or...im sure if u ask here...one of us would b glad to tell u...

275

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:29

Go to baseball reference. com and type in his name, scroll down to fielding. It will tell how many games played at each position

276

Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:29

dpr, I'm not worried about draft position, I'm worried about position eligilibty. I'd rather not name him as his eligibility will determine if I go for him now or later.

I'll try a quick mock draft.

277

dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:31

I knew what you meant. Doing both those should give you a list of espn position eligibilities

278

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 11:33

khahan - I had the same issue too [236].

I think the pages that list their pre-season fantasy player rankings list position eligibility (look for player rankings in the upper tabs).

Of course ESPN fantasy is real slow this morning, everyone must be putting their brackets in.

ESPN Fantasy Baseball home page

279

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 14:25

Looks like gurudan caught up. I see he turned his queue to available so we should be ok going forward.

280

gurudan
ID: 332111810
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 15:04

not gonna whine, but i had a gas boiler xplode in my face. i got 2nd degree burns over my hands and face. so now i'm back, and i'll turn my q on y'all can try and catch me

281

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 15:12

See, now that's a real excuse. None of this "I just didn't have time."

I hope you're alright.

282

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 15:13

Wow. I hope you are ok.

283

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 23:50

Back to the draft. I feel quite good about my last two picks. Myers was the last starter in his tier, which is always an obvious pick. And with only 2 starters so far, he seems like a good third.

And J.J. Putz was also a pretty obvious pick to me. Sure, he's behind the best closer in baseball in the depth chart, but K-Rod hasn't been hurt in a while, and it's a good team in a great pitchers' ballpark (so I hear). And he's clearly the #2 closer on the team, right?

To me, these were good picks after taking three hitters in a row. I feel real good. By the way, I did consider J.D. Drew at this point, but he just can't seem to stay healthy, and also sucks. I call him J.D. Boo.

The rest of you are just treading water, which I love to see.

284

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 11:32

Fred Lewis sucks, but Nerfherders has just taken over first place in my projections. This is a pretty sweet team. He's done a good job of getting the last good player in some places. Vazquez, Posada, Reynolds, Theriot, and Drew were five guys I considered and thought might make it back, and he's got all five of them. And the other picks have been solid as well. Well done, and it'll be a nice challenge this season.

285

Tequila
ID: 381152210
Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 16:31

i left a queue , i'll be back in 3-4 hours. Please choose for me just an RP and an OF.
i'd like not to have 2 OF's or 2RP's in these rounds. Thanks

286

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 02:10

Like the Fontenot pick, he was 3rd on my queue after Lowell/Cameron. I knew when I put Cameron 2nd that Fontenot wouldn't make it back to me, but I needed the OF SB's more then some more ratio help.

Hafner this late seems like a solid low-risk/high reward pick too.

287

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 09:40

I will be out the rest of the morning an early afternoon. My que is set, feel free to use it. It is in order of preference. Only request is to not take 2 players from the same position.

288

dpr
ID: 552411820
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 10:15

I have left a queue. Use it for round 17 only please. I will be back by 3EST if things move quickly and I am holding things up in round 18.

289

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 14:29

I have no idea when it might make it back to the top. I have no queue. Will be back around 9pm Eastern.

290

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 14:33

Sent an email to Kev and he picked right afterwards. The next 6 picks were all from queues. Khahan made a request that 17 and 18 come from different positions but his top of queue worked out. Gurudan asked me to pick 17 and 18 for him, but made no such positional request so he got OF in both slots.

I'll be in and out the rest of the day. Will have the blackberry to check in as warranted, but make sure others can also DP for you if queues are left.

291

dpr
ID: 552411820
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 15:00

I am going to be traveling from Monday until Sunday(at which point it seems the draft will be finished). I do not anticipate having much computer access during this period. I will still be able to check in a few times a day but will frequently go 4 hours with no access. I will attempt to leave queues when possible but I am sure there will be times when the draft is too far away and I am not comfortable doing so (or when I would prefer to only have my queue used for one round so a quick turn would have you waiting). I apologize for this but feel we are making enough progress that we will be fine. I hope I will not hold the draft up too frequently.

292

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 16:18

dpr - thanks for the heads up. We are moving pretty well of late.

I was pretty happy to get Fontenot as late as I did. Rotowire projects him for a .500 slugging percentage. I think that might be optimistic, but I'll take .450 or so from my MI slot.

At first, I had buyers' remorse on the Balfour pick since I missed out on Giles, Kubel, and Jonathan Sanchez. But seeing as Saito, Cordero, Juan Cruz, and Rafael Soriano just went, I'm pretty happy. To me, Balfour is way ahead of any of those guys.

293

dpr
ID: 552411820
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 16:28

I was disappointed when you picked balfour as I had him as my top MR left and hoped to get him with one of my last 2 picks. Soriano does give me a better chance to pick up saves, where I am real weak but he cant be counted on for any either.

294

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 22:53

Tequila left a queue and I selected his 18.16 pick based on it. I am not sure if his instruction in [285] was only for rounds 16/17 or this as well. I think I'll wait. If he does not pick by the AM my time, I'll pull the top of his queue.

295

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 02:14

I took Swisher and Asdrubal, two guys I've been eying for at least eight rounds apiece. Right now, Swisher is on the Yankee bench, but I am pretty sure that will change quickly, since most of his competition is either old, creaky, or bad. In some cases, multiple of those. Even better, when Swisher finally does establish himself, he'll be eligible at both first base and outfield, meaning I have a ton of slots in which I can place him. Just to help make the decision, I read Swisher's chapter of Moneyball.

Any player named Ass Dribble immediately gets my attention. I think Ass Dribble is going to go postal on the league in 2009. He ended last year with a spectacular second half, and I expect more of the same. I do have Fontenot and Yunel Esobar ahead of him (plus Brian Roberts), so I expect to make a trade sometime around mid-May.

I wasn't as certainly about some of my recent picks as I was earlier in the draft, but the Swisher/Asdrubal combination makes me feel quite a bit better.

296

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 10:42

kev, khahan, and R9 - I see you all left queues for what I am assuming is both rounds 19 and 20. Since you are all at the turn, if you have any instructions other than the default which is 'top of the queue, both rounds' when these picks come up later (for example, do not double up on a position, or rd 19 only) please be sure to make them known.

For those with queues available, I probably won't be around from 12:30 - 2:30PM ET today and will not have a chance to pick remotely.

I'll leave a Q for me if need be for my rd 19 pick if it is not up by then, in the meantime I'll flip flop on what I want to do with that pick about a dozen more times until it is my turn ;)

297

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 17:11

No special instructions. Queue is in order of preference. I'm heading out to hockey, wont be back until much later. Its a 5-man queue, haven't had any trouble having that last yet, but if it drains I'll be home around 2-3 AM.

298

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 18:21

Not sure if khahan set the queue for both 19/20. It would be a second catcher. I will not post his rd 20 pick, and sent him an email.

299

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 19:14

i picked a catch for K. at rd. 20 the mistakes can be easily righted on the waiver wire. if i pick again tonite jeff or russ, take my top pick. if you want to steal them, be my guest. this way, i know i won't finish last.

300

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 19:56

Can we replace the second catcher taken for me with Edwin Jackson? This was the same que I had set for the prior 2 rounds. please see post 287 above about double picking the same position.

301

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 20:00

Also I have asked to be given a fair chance to make my own picks even when a que was up. When there was no way I'd pick myself w/in a reasonable amount of time, I posted notice to go ahead and pick away.

302

dpr
ID: 552411820
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 20:02

One problem with switching your pick is that any one who has picked since may have wanted molina and wasnt able to draft. With all those teams having catchers that seems unlikely but still should be checked. otherwise I am fine with the switch but it isnt my call

303

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 20:43

i thought that was curious...being the first to draft that doesnt have a C already i can say that i am fine with the change...maybe i wouldve thought an extra second if molina was there for me...but im happy with my pick

304

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 21:07

in response to 310...im guessing that ur DPs have a hard time of remembering which people have asked for what over the course of the draft...we are all kinda programmed to automatically pick when we see that option given to us...

305

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 21:21

re 300 I've no gripes with the switch I know its hard to set a queue for the turn. You want to fill a position and you set two or three players in case the first choices get picked but after the turn you have one or more left at the top. Yikes!

306

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 21:34

I'm switching 20.02 Molina for Edwin Jackson. Jackson was in khahan's queue when the second catcher was grabbed, and is still available at ths point in the draft, so my inclination is to make the swap, and hope that anyone who may be against this move, cut the commish some slack. His post in 287 was from yesterday, before the round 17 and 18 selections, I was not sure it still applied so posted 298.

I had asked at 10:42 this morning that anyone with available queues provide any special instructions, and no one did. But I'd rather right this.

khahan asked in a now hidden post that he wanted an hour to chime in before a dp made the pick, but with alot going on, and that post seemingly so long ago, it is easy to have forgotten.

To avoid this issue going forward, I ask that anyone who sets a queue be sure that all their designated pickers know their marching orders, each time through the draft, even if it seems repetitive.

Molina is back in the market, and I can't really be sure how that would have effected picks 20.03 thru 20.10 but am taking a leap of faith that this did not corrupt the draft putting him back out after those picks were made.

I had to make a call, I hope everyone is ok with it.

307

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 21:57

I'm at another draft off-island (with Gurupians Seattle Zen & biliruben) right now. It should be over in about 30 minutes.

Hopefully I'll make the next ferry home (7:40). If I miss that one, it's 8:45.

308

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 22:43

Ah, ferries. I miss those days. My old boss used to commute by ferry and get an awful lot done during that time.

JeffG, I am fine with the decision in [306].

I left a one-man queue in case it gets to me overnight and I miss it. If that guy is gone, I have some soul searching to do and will probably make the pick at 8:30 AM ET or so. Unless the blackberry wakes me up, which it usually does (except for the last couple days for some reason).

309

Kev
ID: 39211217
Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 23:57

right move IMO jeff...

310

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 01:02

Scratch that. I am here, debating. Will pick in 5 minutes.

311

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 01:08

Alright, I left a queue for 21.03. Feel free to use it if it's there, or I will see you in the morning.

312

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 01:58

Fine with the swap Jeff. Draft integrity is satisfied, and I'd hate to punish a queue user.

Now on to more important things. How do you pronounce it:

1) Guru-pians
2) Gur-upians

313

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 13:53

the only thing that is important from picks 18- 25 or for that matter 1-25 are injuries. how many of you had tom brady 1st round in football? younz need to quit thinkin' and start drinkin' and throw those dumb ass sheets away. most fantasy players know more about sports than brad evans, brandon funston, or any these who get a paycheck from telling you who to take. i live near pittsburgh, and with fair confidence, can tell you not many PIRATES can lead you to the promised land. yahoo says edwin jackson has major upside, but benjie molina's ok in my book. i'll take him even tho i have pablo sandoval

314

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 14:30

I know Brandon Funston personally, and I'm pretty sure he knows more about sports than "most fantasy players." Including you.

315

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 16:06

8 starting pitchers in 21 rounds Fosten? I guess you'll be pikcing matchups or you'll be out of innings by the All-Star Break! ;)

316

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 18:29

ask funston how you can improve your team chicken boy. i'd love to play you H2H for $100 a week.

317

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 22:57

R9's queue emptied at 21.16.

Everyone play nice.

318

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 23:18

give him a PIRATE. grabow will sink him.

319

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 00:29

Pirates '90 -'92 -- so long ago...

320

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 15:31

Tequila left a Q and made no reference to any position restrictions. The top of his queue was a SP for for 22.16 and 23.01.

321

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 18:06

I am taking tonight off from RIBC. It's still far away from me, but if it comes back around, I will pick tomorrow morning at 9:30 ET, assuming I have clock left.

322

Kev
ID: 39211217
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:13

my queue is available for rd 24 only..

323

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:15

I do not think Teahen is 2B eligible in ESPN (or Yahoo). Obviously if he starts the season there as forecasted, he'll gain eligibility in a few weeks.

324

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 21:21

i guess R9 had a heart attack dial 911

325

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 22:42

im gonna guess his queue ran out again?

326

GoldCoach
ID: 319401520
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 22:45

Yeah. Its showing empty/unavailble.

327

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 22:55

c'mon commish new rule no q get a pirate

328

gurudan
ID: 29232216
Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 23:12

kev made me DP. i'm going to bed, so i refused him. we're probably stuck til morning, so i'm leaving my Q off. if i time out, so be it. i'll be back at 1 pm

329

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 07:52

Sorry about that guys, I left a 10 man queue when I ran out around 3 PM. You guys picked it clean! I'll pick within 1/2 hour.

330

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 11:05

Is there a motion on the table to give Gurudan a pirate? I nominate Andy Van Slyke.

331

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 11:12

How about Jack Sparrow? :)

332

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 11:36

i vote doug drabek...since it looks like he could use a cy young SP more than OF

333

gurudan
ID: 59242511
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 13:07

if none of you take brandon moss, he's my lock down PIRATE OF THE YEAR. please don't take him

334

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 13:09

Dude, you took Barry Zito. You'd probably have been better off with Drabek.

335

gurudan
ID: 59242511
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 13:29

hey HENNIE when my daughter was 11, she worshipped VAN SLYKE, and we went to a game that was seeing some heavy rain with the astros. so we're hoping there's no rainout standing behind the pirate dugout. there's like 50 little kids yelling for autographs, and batting practice was cancelled, so it looks bleak. she has a sign that says i heart andy. well he and jose lind step out to play catch in front the dugout and the yelling gets crazy. well ANDY sees the sign and fakes a toss left and throws a ball up high right so i can catch it up over the other kids. my daughter hurdled 16 rows of seats in 4.9 seconds to show her mom that ball. i'll take VAN SLYKE on my last pick. hell, i'd give anything to have some them PIRATES back

336

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 14:15

Pete wants Jason Isringhausen but is queue is not available.

337

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 15:43

Awesome. This is the last time I have to wait for Fosten and Mach to make their picks! Excellent work by everyone; the draft is almost finished.

338

blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 22:09

And I'm spent. Too bad this isn't a keeper league, or I'd keep the two guys I drafted last!

339

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 10:51

Just under three weeks with only a few minimal moments of drama and dissention is not bad. Thanks to everyone for staying on top of things and keeping things moving by acting as DPs or contacting and assisting others when needed.

Also thanks to Guru for shelling out the $10 kafenatid fee. For anyone who wants to show their appreciation and donate to support this site, an unsolicited reminder to please see here for details.

With the draft coming to a close, my plan is to finish posting all the rosters over the weekend. On Sunday evening I will click on the 'start season' button or whatever it is called. I'll let everyone know via this message forum when that was done. That wlll put all undrafter players into waivers for a few days. Then I can reset the waiver order. Also, then Kev can re-attempt to join the league and contact customer support if there are any issues.

After this draft ends likely later today, I will close out this thread and, start two new threads:

- A draft recap thread for those who want to optionally post rationales or provide analysis of their teams or others in the league.
- The league regular season thread.

340

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 14:50

Awesomeaments.

341

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 15:23

Regular Season Discussion

*** THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED ***

342

RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 15:25

for anyone that is curious...the average time per pick for the entire draft was 1 hour 2 minutes...not bad in my estimation...if ur curious how u did, just ask...i have it for every manager...kudos to Goldcoach for being the quickest...

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