Lets keep the conversation going this season. Ongoing banter adds to the fun of the league. Hopefully everyone will participate.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 15:24
My plan is to finish posting all the rosters over the weekend. On Sunday evening I will click on the 'start season' button or whatever it is called. I'll let everyone know via this thread when that was done. That wlll put all undrafter players into waivers for a few days. and I can reset the waiver order.
Also, then Kev can re-attempt to join the league and contact customer support if there are any issues.
Good luck everyone.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 15:35
for anyone that is curious...the average time per pick for the entire draft was 1 hour 2 minutes...not bad in my estimation...
if ur curious how u did, just ask...i have it for every manager...kudos to Goldcoach for being the quickest...
now lets play some ball...
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 16:44
Come on, post em all. And I bet everyone is surprised Goldcoach is the fastest...
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 17:00
anyone else interested...or is it just more reason for complaining?...
ill give one more away for free...drussel was a close 2nd...
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dpr
ID: 1320415 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 10:46
I didnt go off of projecgtions this year and kind of just drafted the players i thoguht would be good. As such I would be curious to see someone (bluehen?) who did go off projections post the standing that they predict for the year
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 11:28
re 3 I'm surprised! especially with all the queues that were used. Great job to all to get it done this early. Not we've got almost a week to second guess ourselves.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 14:58
Our league with Rotowire's projections (note: I used an adjusted version of this, so my own projections are a little different)...
Tosh, JeffG, blue hen, rogue9, jrdoolit, athleticsguy, roboguru, dlrussell, goldcoach, tequila, fosten, peterN, gurudan, kev, joe, khahan, in that order.
This does discount my team a bit, since I only have the 3 starters above plus Gallagher and Masterson. I'm currently 9th in k's and 15th in wins, and if I come near the innings limit, I'll finish my higher in each. I think I'm 2nd in k/9 ratio, for example.
That, along with incorrect projections, can change my list quickly, but I feel pretty good about it. Be nice to have Mach and Pete fighting for 15th.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 15:46
i think im already in draft withdrawal...between this one and my 20 team friends league...i was really getting in drafting...guess i need to join a couple more leagues...anyone have a spot open in a competitive league...
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 16:14
im curious to see how those projections change when gregg is named closer, nunez steals lindstroms job, and cordero returns healthy...i have a very sneaky RP lineup that has very high upside potential...or they all go bust and i punt saves...
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Khahan
ID: 391582715 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 16:46
Put me last BH. It won't be the first time I'm projected to finish last and I never have come even close. Though I've never broken into the big leagues, I've also never finished below this level. Don't intend to this year.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 17:29
I loaded everyone's draft into ESPN. I know alot is locked out, but I think you can view your team. Please let me know of any errors. My plan is to hit the start season button on Sunday so the players come off waivers mid-week.
I noticed a draft analyzer on the ESPN site. Anyone know anything about that? Would it work for our league format to see pre-season rankings?
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JeffG
ID: 47112621 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 21:24
The season has been launched. Waiver order has been set. The undrafted player pool will clear waivers on Wednesday.
Please double check your roster and the waiver order and please let me know if you spot any errors.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 20:04
You asked for it, so here it is. Using my projections I rated everyone by stat and totals. Obviously, I am going to come in first because these are my projections. The projections were made in February so there's some important changes not reflected here, especially with relievers. I do think the projections are pretty fair though. Please don't be sore at me if you are at the bottom. I simply plugged in the numbers.
you still need to factor in injuries and some major wire finds. i remember winning a league at tsn a couple years back by getting ryan braun at the end of may.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 20:47
i really gotta say that ur february projections really dont mean a whole lot to me...so much has changed since then...and much more will continue to change...
i guess its a good place to start...and congrats on drafting well off ur own list...but im guessing that every set of projections that we could use would produce vastly different rankings...
and like gurudan said...many a league are one with a midseason pickup...and many are lost with a first rounder going down for the year...
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Nerfherders
ID: 310111515 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 21:06
I understand that, and I certainly would not have finished 4th last year without some timely waiver pickups. This basically represents the outcome of the draft.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 01:44
ok...well...just for the counterargument...here are the results of ESPN projections (using only starting hitters and as many pitchers as will fit under the innings cap, using top pitchers first - which actually helps ERAs and WHIPs in alot of cases)
108.5 Oaktown A's 108 JeffG AAA 107.5 Blue Hen Rules 102.5 Team russell 102 Team Nash 101.5 Robots RUs 100.5 R9 Rules More 93 Team Nerfher... 85 Gang Green 79.5 Tequila Roos... 67.5 Dahlonega Go... 66.5 Team meyer 64 fear the mon... 62 Munson Mobsters 61 Peekskill B(... 51 Khahan's Kil...
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 08:32
Looks like my guys are going to have to step up in Ks,ERAs and WHIPs if I'm to have a chance. I'll go speak to the pitching coach right now.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 11:04
And already, the tide begins to turn.
Devine has elbow problems. Sheffield just released by the Tigers.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 13:20
oops...screwed up the SLG...here are the real ESPN projection ranks:
106.5 Oaktown A's 106.5 JeffG AAA 106 Blue Hen Rules 101.5 Team russell 101 Team Nash 99.5 R9 Rules More 99 Robots RUs 94.5 Tequila Roos... 92 Team Nerfher... 84 Gang Green 66.5 Dahlonega Go... 66.5 Team meyer 63 Munson Mobsters 63 fear the mon... 60.5 Peekskill B(... 50 Khahan's Kil...
Basically...thanks to Duncan not having a projection...Tequila's SLG jumps from last to first (after removing the .000 SLG by using total bases for everyone)...
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R9 Leader
ID: 02624472 Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 13:32
Ya, the real problem with projections is especially at pitcher, alot of guys draft SP's as platoon options only (like a LAD or SD SP who you only use at home) but the projections add in all those gross road starts like @Phi or @NYY that you would never use him for. Too, guys who drafted bad RP's late just as a dartboard chance at some early saves (who got Miguel Batista? ;) get the whole 80 IP of 4.80 ERA/1.50 WHIP added to their projection.
Still fun to look at though. When making my spreadsheets I gave up trying to make my projection more accurate, so this is the best we got until the season starts.
FWIW, my projections last year had me finishing 1st, and for some reason I didn't!!!!!!!
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Khahan
ID: 391582715 Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 10:35
Yeah, last place projections. pffftt. Look at that. Holding strong in second place.
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Tosh Leader
ID: 057721710 Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 23:40
Is anyone else having troubles with their team page.
Not only has the "My team" tab vanished (making it hard to find my team page) ... I no longer have the ability to set rosters for the future (like tomorrow). The only day options for me are today and yesterday.
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dpr
ID: 552411820 Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 23:46
I checked and it works fine for me
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Tosh Leader
ID: 057721710 Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 23:52
OK. I figured it out. ESPN somehow logged me out. But of course it doesn't say anywhere about me needing to log in. Even finding the log-in link was a little tough.
Re 22...silly projections were for the whole year...how did we all overlook that preseason...what obviously really matters are rankings after opening day...
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 11:55
It looks like our preferences are wrong. We lock at the first game instead of the gametime. I think we can still change that.
Lineup Changes: Daily - Slots Lock Individually at Scheduled Gametime
Roster Changes: Daily - Rosters Lock at First Game of Day
I listed all the settings in post [19] of the pre season thread. Was anyone under the impression that they should have been set differently?
Anyway, these settings seem to not changeable now.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 15:35
Oh wait, I was looking at the wrong one. Good call.
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 15:48
As promised, I worked up split standings capability for this league, similar to what I do for the RIBC. This was feasible because ESPN allows outsiders to access league standings and stats.
A few notes: 1. Split dates of April 5, 6, and 7 are not available. The first date I have saved stats for is April 8th. I hope to have stats saved daily from here on.
2. When calculating the stats generated over a range of days, the software uses ABs as a basis to figure out the OBP. As a consequence, the calculated OBP over a range of dates will often be slightly off, although the longer period, the lower the error should be. SLG should be accurate, subject to rounding. Ditto for ERA and WHIP - for single day splits, internal rounding may cause the reported ratios to be off by a few hundredths.
3. If there are retroactive scoring adjustments made, they will be reflected on the date that the adjustment is made, and not traced back to the original date.
Enjoy! Let me know if something looks wrong (other than Blue Hen being at the top of the standings.)
I've always had problems trying to calculate OBP from AB's. I have some code that will take the Hits and AB's and continuously add them both by one until the OBP number is hit, and if it's not hit add another AB for a SF. But when those totals get bigger, the possible range of OB/PA for any given 3 digit OBP grows. Unless of course you can get OBP to the fourth digit. This was for Yahoo, and since they started adding the totals for each day, this hasn't been as much of an issue.
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:26
I'm not really calculating OBP from AB; I'm just using ABs as a basis to prorate for each team.
For example, I know the total ABs today, and also the true OBP.
I also know the total ABs as of some prior date, as well as the actual ABs as of that date.
I then calculate the estimated OBP for the period between the two dates as:
((OBP1 * AB1) - (OBP0 * AB0)) / (AB1 - AB0)
It's a reasonably good approximation.
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Tosh Leader
ID: 057721710 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:40
Guru - Are we allowed to change team names, or will that muck things up?
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:49
You should be able to change team names. I built in that capability.
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 17:50
[31] Guru, that's what happens when we move to ESPN. BH goes to the top of the standings.
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 15:17
I'll be gone till Monday for R&R...Not that anyone wants to make an offer on my guys at present; but just in case you won't hear back until next week.
Has anyone yet been able to figure out how to sign into ESPN? My biggest pet peeve with the site is that in order to say, make an add, I have to move a player on the roster in order to get the sign in page to come up. It seems like a really retarded system.
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dpr
ID: 552411820 Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 11:44
There is a myESPN button in the upper right. Mouse over that and you get the opportunity to sign in.
I was looking at that last night, and it seems to think I am signed in, or perhaps half signed in, because it says I am signed in there, but not signed in enough to actually make any moves.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 12:52
(insert smack talk here)
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Tue, May 05, 2009, 18:20
volatile volatile... 2 weeks ago I was 4th, 10 days ago I was 13th, today I'm 2nd. I guess if you want to do well just wait a week, you'll get there. ;)
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Wed, May 06, 2009, 10:26
Very volitile because we are bunched up in the middle and some of the categories are real tight still. Sometimes it just takes 1 day or 2. My team lost 10 points yesterday, 3 the day before and I went from 5th to 12th.
Playing around with Guru's tool and tossing in different dates (see link in post 31) can really show how things are shuffling so far.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Wed, May 06, 2009, 11:11
Now I am first. At least I can say I was in first for a day.
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Sun, May 10, 2009, 19:07
Did anyone get the number of that bus that dropped me from 2nd to 10th?
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Wed, May 13, 2009, 02:58
it was the same one that dropped me off at 12th
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Wed, May 13, 2009, 08:49
Just a guess, but I think we lost Joe. HIs lineup has been pretty stagnant and there are obvious places even a bad fantasy player would have tweaked. If it was not for his three closers and the saves categories, he is '1' everywhere else and not even close to '2' in most. Even A-Rod (if he comes off Joe's bench) could not pull him out.
If I do not see any manager movement from him that can be described as competitive effort, I'll think it is only fair for the balance of the rest of the league that I block any trade involving him if such an event should even pop up.
I just wanted to throw that thought out.
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Peter N.
ID: 14471318 Wed, May 13, 2009, 19:14
I'm cool with that. I guess that means I'm officially in last place. $%&#!!!!
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Wed, May 13, 2009, 22:29
I was going to trade Bengie Molina for A-Rod.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Wed, May 20, 2009, 08:51
Looks like Joe has emerged as he tries to dig out of the early hole of ones he has created.
BTW, if anyone has any ideas for a poll question on our league site, feel free to suggest it here or via email.
Oh, HB to BH.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Sat, May 30, 2009, 13:57
interested to see the leagues opinion on the "Manny as an all-star" debate...
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Sun, May 31, 2009, 01:50
The process sucks anyway. I don't like this Manny guy one bit.
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JeffG
ID: 47112621 Sun, May 31, 2009, 09:37
Posted the Manny poll to the league page.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Sun, May 31, 2009, 22:55
anyone care to give an opinion on a trade offer i received in another league?
furcal -> blalock
and while im at it...i also got this one...
wright -> adrian gonzalez
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 00:01
Furcal for Blalock is at least reasonable. No way I'd give up Wright for Adrian Gonzalez. Did he also include Jimmy Rollins?
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 00:18
and what if i said i have blalock and gonzalez at this point...i would b getting the other side of these deals...
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 00:23
Take the Wright deal for sure. Furcal for Blalock is tough because Blalock is playing so well right now. If this is a league with few MI available (like RIBC), you probably do it. I might do it anyway - Furcal is good.
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RoBoGuRu
ID: 14232210 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 00:29
this is a rather shallow league...and i have asdrubal at SS while bartlett is on the DL...but the potential for SB is appealing since that is currently my weakest hitting category...i can only ride pierre for a little while longer...
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 09:09
Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Mon, Jun 01, 2009, 11:57
It's been 1st for 25 days now... I take nothing for granted though, since I was first last year from about week 20-25, and then with 10 days to go lost it and ended up 4th. This league can turn on you in a hurry.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 16:18
More smack please. Someone please make me a trade offer (besides Pete).
blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Wed, Jul 01, 2009, 11:17
Interesting. Good to see my pitching is doing well.
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Athletics Guy
ID: 12412249 Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 09:12
Woah, my team went up 10 pts. I didn't think there were still point swings like that this late into the season. It gives me hope...even if it's just a little bit.
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blue hen
ID: 8115717 Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 20:58
You shouldn't have hope. You have no chance.
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Athletics Guy
ID: 12412249 Sat, Jul 11, 2009, 22:53
At least I kicked your butt in May :)
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Fri, Jul 17, 2009, 09:53
Somebody, please get a net.
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 08:14
Looks like you got a trampoline instead!
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Mon, Jul 20, 2009, 10:20
Heh, it's just two days. And I guess that's what happens when you lose that quickly.
Still looking to make a move. Something big to turn my season around.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 09:58
blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 11:11
Nice, I actually gained ground.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 11:34
Just as I was starting to think I couldn't possibly lose the lead I had in two months, I lost it in 7 days. I should know better!
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 13:44
Yeah! My guys are fifnally starting to pay attention to the pitching coach.
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 12:30
Nice run Tequila!
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Mon, Aug 17, 2009, 12:33
Bah. David Wright is hurt now. I officially give up. If anyone has a serviceable 3B they'll trade for an outfielder, let me know.
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Tequila
ID: 10735221 Sat, Aug 22, 2009, 02:36
well, i didn't hope to reach second or third place in the standings..... i was getting used to the bottom of the standings.... my team did really play well last july. i'm a little behind with saves, i didn't pay so much attention during the draft. Also it's tough to be up to date with relievers and potential closers, especially during the season.
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Nerfherders
ID: 347242717 Tue, Aug 25, 2009, 13:08
With just a month left to go, the top slot and the top-3 (to advance to the RIBC majors) are up for grabs.
Since we were asked to be Guru's beta-league to test drive the ESPN.com site instead of Yahoo, I put a league managers poll on our ESPN league page as to which site you would recommend. I encourage anyone with strong opinions to provide feedback on this thread.
Three weeks to go, we have a nice little battle for top spot and top-3 going on. I keep trying to knock on the door for top 3 but have not broke through yet and am still stuck at 4th, and am trying to hold off the two behind meSeptember only stats thru 9/13.
As far as I can tell, 12 of us seem still active. Boobs (Kevin), Team Meyer (Joe), and Rogue9 appear to have had no activity since the all star break. Kahan has not had activity in about 4 weeks, and that was their only tweak since the all star break.
I've been playing RIBC for 5 years and I still can't grasp the intricacies of this format. Last year in AAA nobody was better than 108 and 5 teams were within 6 points. This year the top 5 are 112 and better, and when I was last in first, in July, second place had the same score I have now.
There seems to be no benchmark you can set and no winning formula seems to work. It's just plug in your players and hope they do well.
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dpr
ID: 552411820 Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 14:02
when you compare post 59, who had the best may (and april was similar for my team, it is a stark contrast to the september stats. Early in the season my hitting was doing really well and pitchers were getting bombed everyday. now my hitters are getting 1s in every category and my pitchers are one of the best staffs. And it has all been done with the same players pretty much.
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 14:47
What really throws a monkey wrench into the works are the Sept call-ups who take At-Bats from players on teams that are either out of contention , or "resting" for the playoffs if they're far enough ahead. One of the reasons I prefer the ESPN set-up. At least you have some chance of getting a player into a game when the line-ups are posted.
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 09:08
WOW! This is why I play fantasy sports.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 17:27
Why?
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Goldcoach
ID: 893426 Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 07:54
I should have added in Guruland. Good competition, frequent position changes, lineup tweaks that may mean the difference in three or four places, and no one dummping their rosters because they're not in the running for top spots. Its serious; its fun; Its Serious Fun!
I've done better in the last couple weeks but can't seem to get out of the 5th spot. Looks like it really won't matter, sadly. The only thing I have to hang my hat on is I will improve my score from a year ago, even though I fell one spot.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Thu, Oct 01, 2009, 15:12
JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 08:26
From ESPN....
ESPN NOTICE: Note that stats from the Twins-Tigers one game playoff, scheduled for Tuesday, October 6, WILL count towards your league standings.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 10:47
Yes, Roto stats count, h2h leagues are over.
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 15:10
And, actually, I'd be interested to get some opinions on if that is the right choice.
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GoldCoach
ID: 319401520 Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 21:59
Congrats, TOSH! Solid finish and good year.
Thanks for commishing Jeff, but did you have to edge me for third too!?
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JeffG
ID: 47112621 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 00:35
Congrats to Tosh's Gang Green for a great finish to take the league title. Also props to Tequila for finishing second.
GoldCoach: Great move grabbing some MR for the play-in game and fighting right up to the end for the third slot. You made a very exciting game tonight even more interesting. The difference between my 3rd and your 4th place was literally our 0.001 difference in WHIP and the 2 runs my hitters scored tonight to blue hen's 1 run to break that tie.
Great season all. I'll leave it up to you guys if you want to post a season retrospective or any other recap or post mortum (feel free to follow Guru's RIBC template) in this thread. I'll probably add my thoughts over the weekend.
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JeffG Leader
ID: 01584348 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 08:55
Tosh Leader
ID: 057721710 Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 11:58
Thanks to everyone for a very competitive season. It was big fun. I had a fairly cold June and July, and fell into 4th place for quite awhile, and almost hit 5th. But I was able to make inroads in saves and OBP, which brought me back to the top.
A special thanks to Derek Jeter for being the man.
I will provide some sort of de-briefing this weekend.
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Tequila
ID: 49936314 Fri, Oct 09, 2009, 04:36
thanks to everyone ! it really has been big fun for me too The second place it's actually the best result i ever achieved.
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Peter N.
ID: 57832917 Fri, Oct 09, 2009, 13:01
Congrats Tosh! Nicely done
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blue hen Dude
ID: 710321114 Fri, Oct 09, 2009, 17:09
Shush Pete. 14th place. You must be a terrible manager.