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Subject: 12th Annual RotoGurupie Keeper League
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 12:50
Let's start a new thread for 2011, and use this instead of league emails for as much communication as possible.
First, we need to confirm participation for 2011. Thus far, I think we have heard from the following:
Guru
Russell
Mike V
jumpball
Mighty magics
Solvang
deepsnapper
coldwater
Rotiserie chicken
If that's correct, then only one team has yet to respond: Day Time Dream Team. I see that they have two managers listed on the owner info page. Has either one responded yet?
Assuming we have all ten, then we need to decide at least a few issues.
1. Should we stick with 4 keepers, or increase to 5 this year?
2. Should we allow for pre-draft trading - which could involve swapping players and/or draft picks?
3. Another issue that arose last year (when it was too late to resolve for 2010) - should we allow a team to keep less than the requisite number of players? If so, how would those extra slots be filled?
In the latter issue, one possibility would be to let teams with less than a full complement of keepers to draft those slots from the available player pool before the first regular round of the draft begins.
Please cast your votes in this thread, regardless of whether you've previously commented on them in an email. |
| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 12:57
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1. I'd prefer increasing to 5 keepers.
2. Yes to pre-draft trading
3. I'd just as soon force everyone to keep a full complement of keepers (for simplicity), but don't feel strongly about it.
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| 2 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 13:12
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1. 5 keepers
2. yes
3. No
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| 3 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 13:32
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1. 5
2. yes
3. ok with less than full compliment
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| 4 | day time dream team
ID: 241331819
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 20:33
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I'm in. I am ok with either but I would prefer that if we make changes that we have a season to prepare. But I'm fine if we do either 4 or 5 keepers.
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| 5 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 21:15
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1. 5 keepers
2. yes
3. No
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| 6 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 12:58
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When this league was formed, the rules were designed so that philliephan would participate.
In his honor, I vote to not change any of the rules for our league -- that would be exactly 4 keepers with pre-draft trades allowed.
jumpball, for philliephan
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| 7 | Marko
ID: 261552119
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 20:55
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1. 4 or 5 okay with me
2. Predraft trading okay with me
3. Should have to keep minimum keepers - No
Marko
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| 8 | deepsnapper@verizon.
ID: 53157247
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 08:57
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Going into our 11th season dedicated to philliephan after he played in the first one. sooooo.
1) 4
2) no
3) no
Roy ds
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| 9 | Rotisserie Chicken
ID: 54257715
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 16:57
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1) 3
2) No
3) No
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| 10 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 11:56
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I'm persuaded that it is unfair to change from 4 to 5 keepers prior to the start of this season. We should have known last year what the keeper rules would be, in order to manage properly.
I'm not opposed to increasing this to 5, but if we do that, it should go in force after this season, not before it.
Thus, I'm changing my vote to 4.
Although Tang hasn't yet voted on this, the current results are as follows:
5 keepers: 3
4 (or less) keepers: 5
either 4 or 5: 1
no vote: 1
As such, unless someone else changes their vote (and since I changed mine, anyone else should have the same privilege), I think, we have generally greed to remain at 4 keepers. If nothing else, we should have at least a majority to make a change - and we don';t seem to have that.
As to the other issues, we seem to be in favor of pre-season trading for keepers and picks. We never had a firm rule on that, but have done it in the past when time permitted. So that seems to be OK.
And there is no sentiment to allowing people to keep less than the required number.
So - barring a change in vote - everyone must keep exactly four players.
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| 11 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 22:57
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I am OK with 4 keepers and it is good that we honor phillefan
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| 12 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 08:41
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Posting of Keepers for my team:
Joe Mauer, C
Ryan Braun, OF
Carlos Gonzalez, OK
Cliff Lee, SP
Yes I am not keeping Chase Utley. Does anyone want to take him off my hands in a trade.
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| 13 | Marko
ID: 32240914
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 16:05
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Solvang Sluggers Keepers -
A Rod
Pujols
Posey
Jose Bautista
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| 14 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 09:47
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Still waiting for deepsnapper to register draftime. For clarity, please mark your keepers at the ESPN site, and also post them here.
Let's follow this timeframe:
1. Keepers must be declared by noon ET Saturday, March 19. Any trades involving keepers must be completed by then as well.
Draft will officially start on Sunday morning, March 20. I'll have the draft system activated sometime on Saturday afternoon so that you can set up queues in advance, if needed.
As a reminder, the draft order will be as follows:
1 Chen
2 Deepsnapper
3 jumpball
4 Guru
5 marko
6 Russ
7 Coldwater
8 Shaio
9 Mike V
10 Tang
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| 15 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 09:51
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My likely keepers:
David Wright
Joey Votto
Kevin Youkilis
Rickie Weeks
Available, for those looking for another keeper:
Elvis Andrus
Ben Zobrist
Johan Santana
Joakim Soria
Tommy Hanson
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| 16 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 09:58
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Keepers?
Adrian Gonzalez
Josh Hamilton
Ian Kinsler
Nelson Cruz
Available to trade:
Adrian Beltre
Ubaldo Jimenez
Dan Haren
Will take offers on keepers
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| 17 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 11:11
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Hey Mike - I'll swap you Elvis Andrus for Adrian Gonzalez - that way you can have four Texas keepers!
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| 18 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 11:36
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Rule clarification please.
I'd like to make a trade with a manager that involves a player that is not one of his 4 keepers. Is that allowed?
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| 19 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 12:42
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Guru, I'll pass on Elvis. Could have kept Beltre and had 4
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| 20 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 12:42
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Jumpball and I have a tentative trade of a player for a draft pic swap. Is this to be allowed. I am for this as it helps start the league in a more active way.
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| 21 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 12:42
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Also more importantly it helps me.
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| 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 12:52
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Yes - allowed.
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| 23 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 21:59
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Trade:
jumpball (philliephans) gives Russell (Shanghai Mets) Brian Roberts and the 3rd pick in the 1st drafting round for Chase Utley and the 6th pick in the 1st drafting round.
Guru -- if no trade objections, how do you want us to handle our team roster?
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| 24 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 23:24
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Probably best if I force through the moves as commish.
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| 25 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 20:48
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McCutchen
R. Zimmerman
CC Sabathia
C. Kershaw
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| 26 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 00:12
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On the Trade what I will do if this is OK, is to email jumpball my 3rd pic and then when it is his turn he can email me his pic. Then when we start the season we can have a normal trade.
OK?
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| 27 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 20:37
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Russ -- I suggest Guru force the trade through first so we each start the draft with our four keepers.
Then your idea of picking works.
I'd like to vote to start the draft on Friday. That'll give us a slow weekend to get started and an extra 2 days before the season starts in case we need it.
-jb
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| 28 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 23:36
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I just processed the traded players at ESPN. I can also swap the picks in draftime when the draft is started.
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| 29 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 23:37
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As long as keepers are all specified by Saturday noon ET, I think I can have the draft setup and activated later that afternoon.
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| 30 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:36
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I agree it is better to start on Friday. However Guru has a lot of work to do and it is more up to him.
The issue is that we need everyone to choose their keepers.
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| 31 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:39
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Guru, U gave me Roberts but I doubt I will be drafting him in the first real round of the draft. Should I just drop him?
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| 32 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:44
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No need to drop him. If you don't list him as a keeper, he'll automatically be dropped by the system.
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| 33 | deepsnapper
ID: 12341523
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:39
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Guru - not sure what happened to my registration at the new draft site. I did register at the new site last week. d'oh
On Friday, Dell Software Solutions screwed the pooch on my PC. Bottom line is I have no Outlook Express or email for my Verizon accounts and all folders other than Program Folders & System Folder start C:\test\ directory before each folder. WTF?
Please use roy.g.jones@Gmail.com and Guru I'd appreciate a new invite to the draft site.
ds
PS: for those of you who gave thoughts & prayers for my wife's best friend of 50 years who was diagnosed with kidney cancer last year at draft time, she passed away on Jan 28. Peggy will be missed.
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| 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 12:47
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deepsnapper - you're already listed in the draft, so another invite is not needed.
Sorry to hear of your loss. I'm sure it's been a tough year.
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| 35 | Marko
ID: 472411619
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 20:41
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Draft starting this weekend - Using Kafenatid ???
Any time limits for picks ???
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| 36 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:41
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Draftime - which is the successor to kafenatid.
Time limit will be 6 hours, with clock moratorium from 1am-7am EDT, same as in the past.
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| 37 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:46
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We are still awaiting keeper selections for jumpball, dream team, and rotisserie chicken.
Also, mighty magics & deepsnapper currently have only 3 keepers listed as ESPN.
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| 38 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:01
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<37> Thx Guru. I had to cobble together an old desktop as I'm waiting on a part from Dell for my laptop. Ugh
Getting ready for a real fun ride until Mon. or Tue.
My keepers are:
Mark Teixeira, NYY 1B
Hanley Ramirez, Fla SS
Justin Verlander, Det SP
John Lackey, Bos SP
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| 39 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:30
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Getting around to clearing my head after 2 overnight calls with India, Forget using GMail for me. The account was wrong. It needed a "72" on the end of my name. Got it and Facebook cornfused.
I can use the HTML verson of deepsnapper@verizon.net to follow the draft, and that will make it easier for all.
Sorry for any confusion.
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| 40 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 00:06
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Current Keepers:
Mark Teixeira, NYY 1B
Hanley Ramirez, Fla SS
Justin Verlander, Det SP
Jon Lester, Bos SP
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| 41 | Rotisserie Chicken
ID: 25220190
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 01:20
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My keepers:
Evan Longoria, TB 3B
Brian McCann, Atl C
Matt Kemp, LAD OF
Matt Cain, SF SP
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 12:41
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Dream Team has not yet submitted any keepers, and the announced deadline has now passed.
The 3 most obvious choices are:
Tulowitzki
Halladay
Lincecum
For the 4th keeper, the highest ADP is Justin Upton, but a case could also be made for Ichiro or Carlos Santana.
In the absence of instructions, I'm inclined to go with ADP as the criteria - but I'm open to feedback.
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 12:48
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Mewanwhile, Mighty Magics has listed only 3 keepers (Howard, Felix, Cano). There is no conceivable advantage to having only 3 keepers, so I need to pick a 4th.
Using ADP, the top hitter is Jose Reyes, followed by Jason Heyward. Either of those would seem to be a better choice than the next pitcher, which is Chris Carpenter.
Using the same logic, I'm inclined to go with Reyes - but in a keeper league, I can see that Heyward might have appeal.
Again, any feedback? I'm going to make one last attempt to contact each by email, but several emails this weeks have already been sent without response. I hope we don't have a no-show issue for the draft.
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| 44 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 13:20
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Go strictly with ADP.
Although I might be persuaded to vote for alphabetical by last name! ;-)
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| 45 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 13:44
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ADP works for me. It's only fair. Plenty of notices about the draft.
Maybe send a link to this thread from ESPN or Draftime?
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| 46 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 13:47
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I've sent out several emails this week from ESPN - which you all should have received. I also just sent them each a separate email using the registered address at Draftime, in case that's different.
I'm going to set up the keepers on Draftime this afternoon, and then activate the draft early this evening. Since Chen has the first pick, we'll still be waiting if he hasn't gotten the word. But at least people can set up queues then, if needed.
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| 47 | deepsnapper
ID: 432571914
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 15:58
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I'm out in the yard for a couple of hours. Springtime & a Super Moon!
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| 48 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 18:18
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To keep from arguments I would say ADP.
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 19:57
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Still no response from Chen or Tang, so I entered those keepers and activated the draft.
Typically, we go untimed for the first round, just to be sure everyone is on board. Since Chen has the opening pick, I told him that if he wanted to adjust his keepers, he could do so prior to his first pick. Tang can also amend, but only if it's done before pick 1.01.
Note that at Draftime, you now have more flexible queuing options. You can set a general queue (for any pick), or a pick specific queue. You can have your queue available to a designated picker, or you can have the system autopick, either immediately when it is your turn, or after a specified waiting period.
Note that if it is your turn to pick, and you have a queue marked "available", I will pick from it unless you have it set for time delayed autopick.
If you have any other questions, please ask here.
Chen can pick as soon as he appears. The rest of you can set up queues if you wish.
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| 50 | Day Time Dream Team
ID: 222522010
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 11:52
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Sorry guys. I am not reachable at the email address that I have, and I am updating it now. I made the first pick.
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| 51 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 07:07
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Guru- I am setting you as my designated picker when I sleep tonight. I am in Shanghai where we are 12 hours ahead.
Are we not now on the 12 hour clock?
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| 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 09:08
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Now that we have completed the first round, I will turn on the clock.
We'll start with a 6 hour clock, with a draft pause from 1am to 7am EDT. Hopefully, most of you will not need your full clock allotment, because we won't finish on time of you do.
Remember - if you want me to be able to pick from your queue, it must be marked as "available".
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| 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 09:58
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As you draft, if you have a chance to immediately pick up your drafted player at the ESPN site, that will help keep the database of available players as current as possible. For those whose picks are being made from queues, Mike V and I will try to keep the database current by moving those players onto your roster.
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| 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:25
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[51] It sounds like Russ expected me to pick for him, but he did not make his queue available - so I can't do it.
Setting me as a DP is insufficient. If you have names in your queue, I can only pick for you if you make the queue "available to pickers"
Based on the post from Russ, I'm going to ask the draftime site owner to make his queue available, since that seems like his clear intent. But please - if you want me to pick from your queue, make it available.
Be aware that there is another option. If you simply want the top name taken from you queue, you can turn on the autopick option (with or without a delay). That is your best choice for queuing if you will be unavailable, unless you want some logic applied - in which case you can use a DP.
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| 55 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 14:34
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Finally got Russ's unavailable queue overridden and marked available. Draft can now proceed.
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| 56 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 15:35
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I will make my queue available and this was my bad. I am in Shanghai and we are 12 hours ahead but I should have made my queue available.
One suggestion is that we also email thru ESPN the new person picking.
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| 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 15:46
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As long as you have a good email address in your profile at draftime, you should automatically be emailed when it is your turn.
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| 58 | jumpball
ID: 192552118
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 19:55
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Will be out until 10-ish (EDT).
Too far away to set a queue.
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| 59 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 23:17
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Ready for RD4, not quite there yet for 5.
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| 60 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 02:15
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I will make the next pick myself Guru. I will make myself available.
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| 61 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 15:12
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So much for that...
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| 62 | deepsnapper
ID: 142571813
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:13
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RD's 5 & 6 set to Auto/Pick Instant. I'll be around, but have yard, dog, etc. Be back late or tomorrow AM.
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| 63 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:59
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from Draftime Sorts
Projected Finish
Apr 1, 2011, 11:54 am
We're cutting it close on finishing. No waiver wire time! lol
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| 64 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 15:11
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It's 80 & sunny with a 10-15 mph breeze, I'm going outside. Autopick setup for the next 2 RDs.
I posted my cell# on the game site if NE1 needs/wants to text/call.
ds
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| 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 18:07
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We are averaging less than two rounds per 24 hours, and we need to pick up the pace.
I'm probably going to shorten the clock to 4 hours tomorrow, unless the pace picks up.
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| 66 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 18:50
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agreed - BE1 can set up a queue for their next selection and only one pick is made. Shirley we can queue 8-9 players (worst case) to speed up the draft when we're going to be away for a while. (Instead of losing so many hrs.)
Use the queue, at most you have to queue 9 players and who's had 9 picks in a row from they're queue in the 10th(+) round? Heck I'm surprised if 2-3 are taken and I wonder what I'm drafting for. ;)
ds
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| 67 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 19:15
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Elvis has left the building with Mike V. No surprise there.
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| 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 09:52
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I will shorten the clock to 4 hours at the end of round 7. Frankly, that would have only saved us about 6 hours so far, which would still put us behind pace. (We should have completed 8 rounds by noon today.)
If we can't get back to a pace of 2 rounds per day, I'll need to shorten it again. Those who are chronically slow really should consider more frequent use of queues and auto-picks.
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| 69 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 18:21
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Rds 10 & 11 set to Auto/Instant pick.
If we make it to RD12 before midnight, would someone please text or call? (not that I'm contemplating on 2+ rounds being completed in the next 6 hrs).
ds
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| 70 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 23:20
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Rds 11 & 12 set to Auto/Instant pick. C-Ya L8R.
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| 71 | jumpball
ID: 192552118
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 11:09
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Guru . . . you stocking up on Youngs and Colbys?
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| 72 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 11:45
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Apparently! Too bad there is no Colby Young.
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| 73 | jumpball
ID: 451581911
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 00:38
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Sorry to slow down progress tonight -- I had a queue for 18.3, but due to power outage, I never got the opportunity to make the general queue available for the later picks.
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| 74 | deepsnapper
ID: 44258237
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 20:28
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I too am sorry to hold the draft up in RD17. That's my first queue to run out. I don't know if that's bad or good for me or ya'll(?).
Our 9 yr old Golden Retriever tore his left back leg ACL last night running between houses so we've been consumed with keeping him quiet all day. (5mg valium hasn't done it)
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 14:39
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The Draft is complete. Please check your rosters at ESPN and make sure your team is complete and accurate. If you discover an error, you should be able to fix it yourself by dropping any incorrect players and adding any missing players.
In the meantime, please do not do any additional add/drops yet. I want to first make sure that all rosters are set up correctly.
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| 76 | deepsnapper
ID: 382202812
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 13:26
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My 25 player roster is correct. Guru - Thanks for all the help.
Since the season doesn't start until Friday, should all the remaining players go on the W/W and then run waivers on Wed AM or some other time before the season starts?
Seems more equitable than a first come - first claim for free agents. I know the original Sandbox league had a 2 day W/W period after the draft completed, and we'd have pushed their time limit on completing the draft. (prob today) lol
ds
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| 77 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 07:39
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You are the best Guru. Thanks for all your help.
I remember Sandbox also. A long time ago.
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| 78 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 10:00
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Unfortunately, the way I set up this league, the only way to force all undrafted players through waivers now is to reset the draft, and then re-enter it entirely. Not gonna do that.
Let's simply allow free agent add/drops to commence at noon EDT on Wednesday. Not a perfect solution, but less imperfect (for me) than the alternative.
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| 79 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 10:03
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By the way, if there is someone you really want to add at noon tomorrow and you don't have access, send me an email and I'll add that player for you. If there are multiple requests for the same player, I'll use waiver priorities to determine who gets him. Waiver priorities start out the same as the draft order.
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| 80 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 10:08
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In fact, let's simply manually replicate a waiver period for undrafted players that I'll process at 11:45am EDT Wednesday. I don't plan to add anyone, so there should be no conflict of interest. Then, beginning at noon, F/A adds are FCFS.
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| 81 | Russell
ID: 15145185
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 20:06
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Sorry, I made a boo boo. But I dropped the player I accidently picked up.
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| 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 30, 2011, 11:48
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I received only one waiver request, from Mighty Magics, adding Jose Contreras, dropping Venable. Since he was already last in waiver priority, the priorities do not need to be adjusted.
FCFS add/drop transactions may begin at noon EDT (about 12 minutes from now.)
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| 83 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, May 19, 2011, 18:25
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Technical butt
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