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Subject: G20 2011 Prospect Draft - Discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 10:15
Draft thread
Please use this thread for all draft discussion. Please don't mention names of eligible draftees.
I'm currently on vacation, so please don't count on me for queues, etc.
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| 1 | Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 10:33
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Thanks Guru. And I am at a work event all day and will be mostly unavailable. I have Ref's pick which I will forward along if I don't hear about any trades.
Tosh is also on vacation so the inmates will need to run the asylum a little today.....but it's a short draft, and the info everyone needs is at their disposal. The draft grid and existing prospect names are in the draft thread.
We keep track of prospect picks over the years by continuing with the round numbers. So, please realize that these are rounds 21, 22 and 23 and list them accordingly.
I can check my phone at times, so text or email me with questions or problems.
Good luck in the draft!
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| 2 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 17:16
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Man, this draft is really cruising along...
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| 3 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 17:43
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I am now semi-available again and will try and help move this draft along. Make sure you are emailing the next 3 after your pick.
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| 4 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 17:53
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Sent mine.
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| 5 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 19:49
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I sent a IM to slizz.
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| 6 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 19:53
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My bad on the delay. Spaced it until I was getting settled to tune in to the hr derby, and it dawned on me what that meant. Sorry folks.
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| 7 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 21:11
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Slizz's pick is invalid as he is on R9s active roster. Draft continues and he will need to re-pick.
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| 8 | Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 21:45
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Martinez mad it all the way to 21.08? Wow.
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| 9 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 00:25
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Moore is on Great One's roster. What's next, someone's going to pick Eric Hosmer?
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| 10 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 00:26
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... and fixed already. Turner's a nice pick.
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| 11 | Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 13:28
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Darkside with the total homer pick.....I don't even know who that is....although admittedly I didn't study much.
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| 12 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 13:29
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How did Hultzen fall so far???
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| 13 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 15:01
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I hadn't heard of him either, Species. Honestly, most of these picks were on my radar, besides Milone.
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| 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 15:45
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I am here. Gimme a few mins. Several guys I like who I thought would be gone before it got back to me.
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| 15 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 16:03
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I am still in the market to trade for some prospect picks.
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| 16 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 18:11
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Looks like Goatlocker times out in 9 minutes...
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| 17 | Toral
ID: 396501119
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 18:30
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I wish I had Cliff's proxy. I know a great pick from his neck of the woods.
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| 18 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 19:44
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Wow, you guys flew low today.
Just picked.
Sorry about the delay.
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| 19 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 19:53
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Crap, can't spell, he is on a roster.
I'll pick again, but if nerf is around he can pick since I timed out
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| 20 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 19:59
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OK, let's see if that one works.
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| 21 | darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 20:34
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Ha! Species is right that it was a homer pick. Having J. Zimmermann and Espinosa on my team has been great--I watch almost every Nats game--so I figured I try again.
Plus, I changed my prospect strategy last year and liked it so much I stuck w/ it. I'm tired of going after a flashy guy that probably won't pan out...at least not early enough for you to keep him (Iannetta, B. Wood, P. Hughes) and aim for guys who have a good chance of starting next year, have played minor league ball, hopefully through AAA or at least with some expectation they'll get the call soon, and would likely fill a gap on my team next year. Arencibia worked out, Sizemore kinda is. Not sure about Brandon Allen, but have some hope.
Perhaps every now and again I'll end up w/ someone keeper worthy, but if not at least they'll have actually contributed to my team. Even being a Nats fan I wasn't too familiar with Milone, but his AAA stats this year are solid: 103 IP, 107 K, 7 BB, 3.15 ERA and .961 WHIP. There's an excellent chance he'll be given a rotation spot next year, so I figured I may as well get a guy I might be able to watch once a week.
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| 22 | darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 20:40
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...though I should point out I traded for Hughes, and I'll add LaPorta to the list of hypes that fizzled before I could keep him.
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| 23 | R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 10:22
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Him and Cron were the only two I needed to look up. That BB/K ratio is ridiculous though, and at AAA no less. Hard to argue that he isn't worth a flyer.
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| 24 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 11:22
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Milone appears to be the next John Lannan, whatever that means.
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| 25 | mjd
ID: 23652139
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 12:07
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As to the Rays prospects:
Just read a blurb that the countdown to Desmond Jennings' 3000th minor league hit was on and that by 2016 when they promote Jennings and Moore to the bigs, they should be sufficiently polished.
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| 26 | beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 13:15
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R9, surprised you didn't know Cron. He was rated 80/80 in power. Appears to be a defensive liability but who cares for fantasy purposes.
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| 27 | R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 13:18
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I had heard about him but didn't know much. I didn't get much past the top 10 from this year's draft.
Wheeler was on my short list for my last two picks though.
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| 28 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:08
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This was a weak p-draft for hitters - Cron was right up there, since the power is enticing.
Quite happen with Dellin and Arodys - they have the best names in addition the best talent. And they fit well on my team, which has many more hitters than pitchers.
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| 29 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:08
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This was a weak p-draft for hitters - Cron was right up there, since the power is enticing.
Quite happy with Dellin and Arodys - they have the best names in addition the best talent. And they fit well on my team, which has many more hitters than pitchers.
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| 30 | Toral
ID: 396501119
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:10
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Nobody has a better name than Jurickson Profar.
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| 31 | R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:26
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Bubba STAR-ling sounds pretty awesome too.
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| 32 | Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 15:57
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I really like what nerf did in this draft. Turner is a stud and Arenado was someone who has really shot up propect lists AND has the opportunity available when he's ready, as (sorry bmd) Stewart just isn't the answer.
The Rays' handling of their prospects is highly frustrating for the fantasy player. That's not to say it's bad from a baseball/good of the team perspective, but there are VERY few teams out there who would still have Jennings in the minors. Moore is still a little rough around the edges and probably should be brought along slowly, despite his overpowering stuff.....he is not polished enough for the bigs.
I never realized what a closet Yankee fan bh is.
Where would Banuelos have gone if he was available?
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| 33 | R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:13
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Mid 1st sounds about right.
Don't think I would've taken him, because I'd have gone after Martinez or Profar at 8th anyway and I can't see him lasting to 19-20th.
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| 34 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:16
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I'm not sold on Arenado, mostly because he only recently started being great, but Turner was one of the best pitchers available here (although I wish he K'd more).
I have no problem loading up on Yankees - they're the local team, my father's favorite team, have a great history, and play in the other league. Just unfortunately I might have to cheer for Arodys on the Braves.
And I hate to say it, but Ref helped himself the most - Rendon and Bauer are fantastic talents.
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| 35 | Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:41
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Yeah I thought I did pretty well considering I only had two picks to work with. In the first round I wanted a pitcher for sure, and the three names I had were Moore, Turner, and Vizcaino. Second round was for a hitter that wasn't an outfielder, and that list was Mesoraco, Lee, and Arenado. I would've loved to have Mesoraco because he's the closest hitter, perhaps of the entire draft, to getting to the majors. Arenado is still a couple years away, and while my biggest need is probably 3B, I wonder if it will still be when Arenado is ready.
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| 36 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 21:09
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I think one of the hardest things to balance in the P-draft is the value between high first round picks of the June draft and the prospects who are rewriting the prospect rankings by coming into their own during the year. Brandon Belt was one of those last year (who, bluntly, I missed).....Arenado is kind of like that this year. Personally, I think too many people put too much stock into the June draft and miss out on some real up-and-comers who are already in their 2nd/3rd year of professional baseball.
The other strategy I like to employ (although unsuccessfully so far!) is the darkside strategy.....maybe sacrificing long term upside for a quicker rise to the bigs so you get value quicker. Tried that with Eric Young Jr. hoping he could be a quick riser as a speed merchant at 2nd. Failed miserably, but the strategy was sound.
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| 37 | R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 22:08
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I tried that too a few years back with rather mediocre results, but I do think it can be best approach for immediate help the following year.
Last year I saw both Belt and Sands really coming into their own, and decided to pick one or the other. Picked Sands on a whim; figured since he could play both OF and 1B that he had a better shot at reaching the majors sooner.
I'll tell ya though, I've become accustomed to having lots of picks now. Its going to be tough going back to 1 or 2 picks, trying to decide which guy I want most.
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| 38 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 22:23
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The worst team should get helped the most--but it really is a crap shoot. In all the years, I've only one prospect where I was really excited about and he already has had Tommy John surgery. Rendon is no sure thing with a bad shoulder and ankles and his productivity really dropped off when they went to the less dangerous bats. But even if he isn't hitting the ball over the fence his OBP should be really high and I've been bad there for awhile. He will prob get moved to 2b with Zimmerman in the bigs so that's an issue for me needing a 3b but even better value for a 2B--except speed.
I almost grabbed Martin and Mesoraco earlier this year. Almost claimed Martin off waivers as soon as ESPN added him but didn't. Both should be September call-ups with upside. I ended up getting Martin basically because with all the money they gave him, they are going to give him every opportunity to excel. Catchers drive me nuts, but a great one could be a difference maker.
I have so many Ps and my Hs are just not getting it done so my plan was to go all Hs--but couldn't pass up Bauer when he fell to me. Supposedly these players won't take too long getting to the majors...we shall see.
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| 39 | beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 22:28
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As long as you don't reach the draft is 90% luck.
Personally, I think hitters > pitchers. I've thrown back at least half my pitchers and only 1-2 hitters. Plus, the pitchers that do pan out aren't immediately superstars so you have to burn a keeper slot for 1-2 years and hope they don't get injured.
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