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0 Subject: 8 Men Out 2015 season

Posted by: Khahan - [3038239] Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 10:38

Welcome back everybody. You can either check in here or email me confirmation that you are returning. We will also use this thread to declare keepers, post any trades and mock each other all season long.

I've sent out an email to the league as a reminder and to get a head count.
1Bean
      ID: 121011511
      Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 10:53
I'm in

Useful to point out from the constitution:

Keepers are due 14 days before the first game of the regular season

5 APR is first game, right?

Do you have a spreadsheet with player rights by team and draft round you can share? Will help with trades.
2power of lemke
      ID: 240112311
      Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 12:11
I am in.
I am posting my potential keepers for my purpose.
Cano (1)
Puig (2)
Bruce (3)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Andrus (6)
Zimmerman (7)
Homer (8)
Soriano (11)
E. Santana (13)
Rollins (16)
Ross (17)
Gardner (18)
Eovaldi (22)
3Khahan
      ID: 3038239
      Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 13:37
Just had an email question from power of Lemke to clarify:

Greg,




Just a quick questions on Keepers and how the draft will work for 2015 and future keepers. For example I don't keep Bruce (3), but keep my 1st and 2nd rd picks. I assume I would have my first pick in the 3rd round and that player could be kept in future years for a 3rd pick, not a 1st rd pick? I hope this makes sense.




Thanks.

The Power of Lemke


This is exactly how keepers and the draft work. In Lemke's example he's keeping Cano who gets inserted as his R1 pick. He is keeping Puig who gets inserted as his R2 pick. Then we get to R3 and since he has no keeper listed he can pick whomever he choses from available players.


Bean I don't have a spread sheet yet - was relying on the draftime software for inputting keeper picks. Right now I'm simply going to the draft results at yahoo and the team page when figuring this stuff out. It will all be cross checked once keepers are declared to make sure all keepers are eligible.
4VampireWeekend
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 18:16
I am in.
5mailedfoot
      ID: 531322718
      Sat, Jan 24, 2015, 06:58
I'm in

Eligible Keepers:
Ryan Braun (1)
Evan Longoria (2)
Ian Desmond (3)
Albert Pujols (4)
Mark Trumbo (5)
Anibal Sanchez (6)
Ben Zobrist (7)
Danny Salazar (8)
Jayson Werth (10)
Jonathan Papelbon (11)
Andrew Cashner (12)
Chase Utley (14)
Adam Eaton (15)
Rick Porcello (17)

All are available for trade if anyone is interested
6Bean
      ID: 121011511
      Sat, Jan 24, 2015, 12:48
<3> Thanks Khahan,

I noticed you had started listing people's keeper eligible players in the old thread, but then quit. I may do a spreadsheet myself then if I find the time, if I do I'll share.
7Bean
      ID: 121011511
      Sat, Jan 24, 2015, 13:11
Please advise on this scenario:

I trade for a player who was a 4th rd pick in 2014 (Smith), I want to keep my original 4th rd pick player (Jones), but am dropping my 2nd rd pick, and place Smith in the 2nd rd slot for 2015 (all good so far right?). During 2015, I trade away Jones, freeing up my 4th rd slot.

For the 2016 draft, will Smith go against my 4th pick, or will he go against my 2nd pick?

8Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sat, Jan 24, 2015, 17:39
i'm in.

and i could be wrong, but understanding Bean's scenario above, he's basically got to trade for a 4th round pick to keep both first rounder. i don't think we set up provisions to move a guy up.

we keep up to 9, right?

also, if we could post draft pick trades in this thread?

and finally - i'm on vacation april 1 to april 7 so if we could be done with the draft before then..please??????? :D
9Bean
      ID: 121011511
      Sat, Jan 24, 2015, 20:29
I checked transactions from last year, there weren't any trades. Just adds/drops.

If it's true that you cant move a guy up, its no wonder there weren't any trades last year. Too rigid.
10Bean
      ID: 121011511
      Sun, Jan 25, 2015, 12:37
Open to trade offers. My keeper eligible players with round:

01 Goldschmidt, Paul
02 Segura, Jean
03 Gomez, Carlos
04 Posey, Buster
05 Jansen, Kenley
06 Rosenthal, Trevor
07 Holliday, Matt
08 Uehara, Koji
09 Seager, Kyle
10 Cuddyer, Michael
11 Moss, Brandon
12 Cueto, Johnny
13 Hamels, Cole
16 Hawkins, LaTroy
21 Bonifacio, Emilio

11Khahan
      ID: 34072516
      Sun, Jan 25, 2015, 17:17
No, you are not able to move a player up. That is something I honestly never considered, though.

I'll look over your spreadsheet and double check it soon Bean.

I had started doing eligible keepers for teams but work picked up about that time and I never really got back to it.
12C1-NRB
      ID: 30322611
      Mon, Jan 26, 2015, 12:36
IN
I've been thinking about this league since the season ended last year. To say I've been looking forward to it is an understatement.
13khahan
      ID: 5503269
      Mon, Jan 26, 2015, 13:20
so far we've heard back from:
1. Khahan
2. Bean
3. Power of Lemke
4. Vampire Weekend
5. Mailedfoot
6. Tree
7. Toral
8. Wiggs
9. Knights Radiant
10. Gurudan
11. C1

Still need to hear from:
PortRicheyStriptease
Downtown Dom Brown
WG
14 khahan
      ID: 5503269
      Mon, Jan 26, 2015, 13:41
Also I still have 2 pretty high quality CF in Adam Jones (round 2) and billy Hamilton (round 6).
I'd be willing to package Jones and ??? for a round 1 or 2 player.
15WG
      ID: 552431321
      Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 09:11
In
16 Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 11:59
too bad. Looks like you are full. Let me know if get a spot.
17Khahan
      ID: 360382911
      Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 12:38
Romee - don't despair as 2 people still have not checked in. Neither are normal gurupies. they are from rotoworld. But they still haven't checked in.
18Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Fri, Jan 30, 2015, 11:15
Oh. Ok. I'll be around. I've actually enjoyed some of the topics here. I've read old posts too. The Magic the gathering one had me reminiscing. It's been like 15 yrs.
19Khahan
      ID: 5015928
      Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 10:14
C1 checked in here but hasn't signed up yet at Yahoo. Still haven't heard from portricheystriptease. He's the only one who hasn't checked in anywhere. Still early/plenty of time but its a good group coming back.

I'll get the draftime league set up soon so we can register there but again, no rush. Keepers aren't due for over a month yet.
20C1-NRB
      ID: 32144211
      Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 12:44
My bad; I didn't check my email this weekend.
I'm in on Yahoo now.
21Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 17:06
Oh. Ok. I'll be around. I've actually enjoyed some of the topics here. I've read old posts too. The Magic the gathering one had me reminiscing. It's been like 15 yrs.
22Khahan
      ID: 45157411
      Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 12:57
We have a trade announcement - our first trade in this league:

Gurudan trades Chris Sale (4) and Sonny Gray (10) to
Downtown Dom Brown for Jurickson Profar (4) and George Springer (10)

Because they swapped their round 4 and round 10 picks there are no issues w/ multiple keepers in the same round for either team.

23 Downtown Dom Brown
      ID: 551259
      Thu, Feb 05, 2015, 10:05
Checking in. Trade obviously shows that im here. Hosmer (round 2) also available.
24Khahan
      ID: 34072516
      Thu, Feb 05, 2015, 21:22
Glad to have you back Nick.

Just waiting on one. We've got a while yet so I'm not pushing anything right now. I did set up the league at draftime - auto renewed last years. But I'm not sure if this will be snake or not. I havent seen an option yet to set that.

If I can make it non-snake then most everybody is registered. If not then we'll have to start a new draft and get everybody registered. All depends on what settings carried over from last year are set in stone.
25 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 17:25
DOM BROWN AND I HAVE COMPLETED A TRADE

he trades profar rd.4 and springer rd. 10 for

sale rd. 4 and sonny gray rd. 10
I believe all is in order
26Khahan
      ID: 34072516
      Sat, Feb 07, 2015, 19:56
Btw, I am very willing to move Adam Jones. He's going in round 1 in early mocks and has a round 2 tag. good power hitting first baseman would be preferred.
27Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 13:54
i'm definitely willing to make moves.
28Khahan
      ID: 101421113
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 14:42
Trade announcement
Khahan sends Adam Jones (2) to C1
C1 sends Edwin Encarnacion (2) to Khahan

both are round 2 picks so no potential conflicts with keepers in that round
29C1-NRB
      ID: 31441112
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 15:33
Trade confirmed.
30 WG
      ID: 539431423
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 16:23
Looking for pitching if anyone is trading. Let me know, thanks.
31Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 16:25
shouldn't the draft be non-snake?

generally speaking, snake drafts are first year only, no?
32Khahan
      ID: 261361115
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 16:36
yes, draft is non-snake. Sorry I wasn't clear in post 24. We are definitely non-snake draft. What I'm not sure about is if draftime pulled t he settings from last year over or not and if the settings at draftime defaulted to snake because of this. If so I'll have to set it up and everybody needs to re-register.

Also I've sent 3 emails to bettorwin now with no response. So 1 spot is still open. Again, we've got about a month left but I'd like to get everybody registered and get these preliminary issues out of the way.
33Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 21:30
Thank you Tree 31.
34Khahan
      ID: 61231211
      Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 12:23
A few important dates
Opening day: Sunday April 5
Keeper due date: Sunday March 22, 11:59pm EST
Draft start date: Tuesday March 24 8am EST

Friday Feb 20 is the final deadline to register on Yahoo. Only 1 team is not registered yet. We have a waiting list. The manager at the top has been notified of the potential opening.

Everything is up and running at draftime. Please ignore "8MenOut Innaugural season" in the new draft list if you see it. I'm using this to learn how to manager the keeper league on drafttime. Any mistakes I make here wont affect us. Our actual draft is 8 Men Out 2015. Everybody is registered there, thank you all. Nothing else will happen with that until we get a commitment back from all 14 managers (see earlier comments about feb 20th).
35 Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Sun, Feb 15, 2015, 11:11
Send me an email if that team is available. I already joined the political league here too. I only have a redraft and 1 dynasty going.
36Khahan
      ID: 34072516
      Sun, Feb 15, 2015, 13:17
Btw Romee, keep an eye out for the RIBC leagues. Its a tournament run by Guru. Usually 5 leagues. first year people start out in AA with winners getting promotion to the RIBC league, and a AAA league in between.
These are 16 team leagues with CI, MI and 4 OF slots along w/ the normal slots and runs, rbis, sB, slg and obp along w/ the normal pitching categories. You'll have a blast with it.
37Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Sun, Feb 15, 2015, 19:23
Never played with SLG or OBP but I'll see what it's about when he posts them.
38Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Fri, Feb 20, 2015, 08:21
Thanks K. I'm in.
39Khahan
      ID: 231121721
      Fri, Feb 20, 2015, 08:45
Welcome in Romee, glad to have you on board. Just you registered at draftime and I can get that set up and open things up so people can start figuring out keepers, etc.
40Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Fri, Feb 20, 2015, 15:09
I'm registered. Im in the Political league.
41Khahan
      ID: 231121721
      Sat, Feb 21, 2015, 16:25
Up for grabs - the following players will be traded for comparable players:

Edwin Encarnacion 1st (2) One of only 11 players with 30+ HR last year. In a line up with Reyes to drive in and Buatista to get driven in. Should have 170-190 combined runs/rbi's. Round 2 price tag going in round 1 in a lot of mocks

Justin Upton LF (3) Upton is just 27 years old..going into that magical 27 year old season. .270 with 29HR and 100+rbi's last year on a team that led the majors in striking out. Thats a lot of rbi's with so many missed opportunities. HR power may be slightly depressed, but BA, runs and rbi's should all be right there in San Diego.

Felix Hernandez SP (4) Not much more needs to be said. King Felix is going in round 1/2 in many mocks. He was the #1 rated player for much of the season last year and finished 4th overall and comes with just a round 4 keeper tag

Alex Cobb SP (5) Another 27 year old he had 149k's and a 2.87 era despite missing about 5-7 starts last season. His adp is 73 which puts him right about round 5-6 in a 14 team league.

Billy Hamilton CF (6) Just 24 years old he swiped 56 bags in his first full year in the majors - good for second overall. Long career ahead of him with the potential for 100 SB season

Greg Holland RP (7) 3rd in the majors in Saves. 90k's in just 60.1 innings. .91 whip 1.44 era. all repeatable numbers

Pablo Sandoval 3rd (8) The Big Panda moving from San Fran to the Green Monster. Consistently good BA should be better and I'd expect a slight uptick in his power numbers. Great line up around him for runs/rbi's totalling in the 180 range.

Kole Calhoun RF (12) Can't wait to see what he can do with a years experience under his belt. He hit 17 HR in just 127 games. His power should be consistent and with Pujols and Trout in the line up he'll get rbi and run opportunities with a .270-.275 range BA. ADP is going about round 7-8.

Alexi Ramirez SS (17) - One of the best value picks from last season. A round 17 keeper tag he put up top 50 numbers and was the 3rd overall SS in production last year. he can regress significantly and at round 17 still be a great value.

Yan Gomes C (18) Another late round great pick. He was the 5th most valuable fantasy catcher last season coming in just a tick under .280 BA with 21 HRs in 485 at-bats over 135 games. He's also just 27 years old without a lot of mileage on the knees.
42 Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Feb 21, 2015, 18:08
Khahan:

A trade-related message I sent to you was returned as undeliverable.

I sent it again directly on the Yahoo! site. If it doesn't show up, please e-mail me.

43Khahan
      ID: 231121721
      Sat, Feb 21, 2015, 20:34
got it.
44Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sat, Feb 21, 2015, 21:50
i'm willing to make moves too. no player is untouchable.
45goryllas
      ID: 100501319
      Wed, Feb 25, 2015, 20:12
I haven't been here in a while. My team is open for trades as well.
46Khahan
      ID: 171272614
      Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 15:27
Which team was yours Goryllas?
47Khahan
      ID: 171272614
      Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 15:32
ahh, knights radiant. Used to either that name your real name on email.
48Knights
      ID: 100501319
      Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 20:04
I cant remember if i used goryllas or knights here. Ill use Knights to avoid confusion since there is another Greg here
49Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Fri, Feb 27, 2015, 07:13
Well I'm the other greg so we're probably good either way. :)
50Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 11:10
trying to remember if we do a lottery system or anything for the draft, or, if i have the "first" pick, depending on what round players are kept?
51Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 12:08
We have a lottery system for the last 4 spots to be randomly ordered. You won the lotto and have the first pick each round:

Lottery draft. The following 4 managers were 11th - 14th and qualified for the lottery spots. Their draft order is determined randomly instead of by order of finish:
11. dr paul
12. wonder twins
13. c1
14. roller derby

The 'mix them up' random order is: 4 1 3 2 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)

This gives us
roller derby
dr paul
c1
wonder twins

And the top 4 draft order numbers are: 1 4 2 3 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)
Giving us a top 4 draft order of:
1. Roller Derby
2. Wonder Twins
3. dr paul (toral)
4. C1
The rest of the draft order for 2015 is:
5. gurudan
6. power of lemke
7. vampire weekend
8. downtown dom brown
9. port richey striptease/black & white(romee)
10 knights radiant
11 WG
12 foot solders
13 Bean
14 Khahan

Again, the draft is non-snake, so this is the order for every single round. And any player you keep takes up a draft slot in the round he was drafted in. So for example if Vampire Weekend opts to keep Mike Trout I'm essentially assigning trout as Vampire Weekends round 1 pick. If he also opts to keep Christian Yelich, I'm assigning Yelich as Vampire Weekends round 5 pick.
52artofmonk
      ID: 27125916
      Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 16:14
my keepers for now.
Cano (1)
Puig (2)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Rollins (16)
Ross (17)
Gardner (18)
Eovaldi (22)
53 VampireWeekend
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 23:50
Keepers For Now...

Trout (1)
Machado (2)
Abreu (4)
Yellich (5)
Murphy (10)
Rendon (11)
Samardzija (12)
Kluber (15)
Allen (21)
54 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 16:02
#1 h Ramirez
#2 pedroia
#3 bumgarner
#9 d Robertson
#10 springer
#19 kazmir
#20 l cain

anyone have any good fantasy BB pay sites? I mean like rotoworld and the sporting news used to run. I think YAHOO quit PRO leagues.
55Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 22:30
Khahan's Keepers
Edwin Encarnacion 1st Tor (2)
Justin Upton LF SanD(3)
Felix Hernandez SP Sea(4)
Billy Hamilton CF Cin(6)
Greg Holland RP Kan(7)
Pablo Sandoval 3rd Bos(8)
Kole Calhoun RF LaA(12)
Alexei Ramirez SS ChiS (17)
Avisail Garcia RF ChiS (20)


Great value for trade: alex cobb (5) yan gomes (18)
56WG
      ID: 372551221
      Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 01:10
1 - Giancarlo Stanton
3 - Freddie Freeman
6 - Gerrit Cole
9 - Javier Baez
10 - Julio Teheran
11 - Salvador Perez
16 - Kris Bryant
18 - Gregory Polanco
24 - Michael Brantley
57Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 01:21
1 Goldschmidt, Paul
3 Gomez, Carlos
4 Posey, Buster
6 Rosenthal, Trevor
7 Holliday, Matt
8 Uehara, Koji
9 Seager, Kyle
12 Cueto, Johnny
13 Hamels, Cole

58 Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 12:43
Keepers for Now

1 Clayton Kershaw
2 Prince Fielder
3 Jose Bautista
5 Josh Donaldson
8 Leonys Martin
14 Lance Lynn
15 Evan Gattis
19 Noel Syndergaard
59mailedfoot
      ID: 532131615
      Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 16:46
Keepers:

1. Ryan Braun
2. Evan Longoria
3. Ian Desmond
4. Albert Pujols
7. Ben Zobrist
10. Jayson Werth
11. Jonathan Papelbon
12. Andrew Cashner
17. Rick Porcello
60Romee
      ID: 100501319
      Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 17:35
Keepers:

Troy Tulowitzki (1)
Todd Frazier (22)
Melky Cabrera (21)
Jon Lester (15)
Gio Gonzalez (7)
61C1-NRB
      ID: 36241814
      Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 00:05
1- Andrew McCutchen
2- Adam Jones
4- Aroldis Chapman
8- Masahiro Tanaka
10- Jonathan LuCroy
17- Yordano Ventura
18- Justin Morneau
20- Erick Aybar
62Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 23:45
soemthing I'd like to put up for discussion. Our keeper rules were set with the idea that keepers are drafted and not simply, "I was fastest to the keyboard for the breakout guy". The main reason for t his is to help keep the draft a little fresher each year than normal keeper leagues.
With that in mind what would people think of restricting the draft to players with MLB experience only? Simple enough numbers like 50AB or 25 IP which can easily be achieved with september call ups.
Rules proposal is simple enough: only players with 50AB or 25IP at the major league level are eligible for the draft.

Would like a vote on this and if it passes it should be for this draft starting on Tuesday. Discussion is definitely welcome and obviously this would NOT be retroactive to last year as many players were drafted last year with the idea of stashing them with a roster spot. Anybody drafted last year and eligible as a keeper under those rules would be unaffected.

Here's the pros:
1. It keeps the draft fresher. Restocks the draft pool with talented players.
2. Furthers the ultimate goal of the keeper rules we have set up
3. Takes some of the speculation and guess-work out of the draft allowing managers to focus on this year while still knowing rebuilding blocks of the future are still available

Cons:
1. Takes away from some of the speculation and guess work of rebuilding for next year if you know you are just out of contention this year.

Also there is an inherent risk with drafting for next years hot prospects. It takes up a roster spot and to be worthwhile you almost have to keep the person.

Other thoughts? Votes?
63Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 08:25
Questions:

1. What is the current rule for eligibility for drafting? Must a player be available at ESPN to be drafted? Must he be on Draftime?
64Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 09:26
Observation: the MLB threshold for rookie eligibility is 130 AB or 50 IP. If you wanted to be proportional to that, the thresholds should be 65 AB/25 IP (or 50 AB/20 IP).

Of course you may not give a damn about the MLB thresholds or see their relevance to the question of when someone can be drafted, but I have a taste for proportionality.
65 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:11
the format sounds good to me.the idea is to allow the weaker teams to improve thru the draft by picking 1st. if all the top prospects are stashed for years ahead, it hurts their chances of improving.
66Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:11
Why not just use the RoY numbers and not halve them?
That way, if your guy is still on a prospect list, you cant keep him.
67Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:14
Right now there actually isn't any guidelines about drafting, though since we use Yahoo they do have to be in the yahoo database at least.

As for the number of IP and AB - I didn't want to use the MLB because I thought they would be a bit too restrictive. I was just throwing out some low, easy to obtain benchmark numbers but have no problem with 50ab/20ip.

Lets look at 2 examples. I'm going to use players who are named as keepers only because throwing names out there can't do any harm since they are already dealt with in the draft:

If we implement the rule as stated from the beginning this would be mean that Kris Bryant would not have been eligible to draft last year. Nor would he be eligible to draft this year. could all rush to WW and grab him after the draft but he would not be eligible as a keeper in 2016 even since he was not drafted this year. (dont worry WG, no matter if the rule passes it wont be retroactive, he's safe on your keeper list).

Now looking at least year I picked Billy Hamilton. He also would not have been eligible for the draft in 2014 as he only had 19 at-bats. He would be eligible this year, though and could be declared as a keeper next year.

A player like Avisail Garcia or Christian yelich would be fine to draft last year as in 2013 they were over the threshold for at bats.

I guess another affect of this kind of system is that is makes the WW right after the draft a must to pay attention to. Some may consider that a mad rush and a drawback. Others may consider it somethign that makes the WW and priority worthwhile and a plus.

68Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:19
i'm not really in favor of the rule. part of the fun of drafting is drafting the prospect and holding him - it's why a number of keeper leagues now have prospect drafts in addition to the regular draft.

if a team wants to clog up a roster spot with a player that's not playing, i think that onus is on that team, and that's a risk they take.

bench spots are valuable in fantasy baseball, and if have a spot you're using to hold a guy, that hurts your team.

besides, every year, there are new and exciting guys who are available, who might not have been hot studs the previous season - i don't want to name any names because we haven't drafted yet, but they are definitely out there, and you don't even have to look that hard.

69Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:42
I thought you were using this AB/IP limit as criteria for keeper, not criteria for draftability.

If you simply apply the criteria to keeper eligibility, it allows people to draft and keep any player who becomes eligible for RoY honors. If they are still eligible for RoY the following year, you cant keep them, they go back to the draft.

I like it this way because its easy to implement. Nobody, including the commish has to research how many ABs or IPs a player has in his career. If a guy is still on the prospect lists you can find everywhere, then he cant be kept, pretty simple.
70Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:53
Khahan,

Will you be loading players to the Yahoo Rosters as the draft progresses? This allows us to use the Players tab to help select players. I do this in the Political League and its pretty effective. I try to stay within one round of the live draft, its just a goal.

Anyway, I need to know if I should create my own cheat sheet, if your efforts wont be giving one to us. I noticed you've started loading our keepers to the draft results in Yahoo. Otherwise, I would have just done the cheat sheet. You could save us all a lot of redundant work.
71Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 10:59
actually doing it that way bean I think does make it a bit more work. If we did what you are suggesting now when we go to name keepers we have to check 1) was t his guy drafted or ww/fa pick up then check his ab/ip.

If we do it the other way - draft eligible - it keeps the only keeper criteria the draft.
72Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 11:14
which also reminds me - I've been entering keepers into yahoo and draftime. I need to go thru and verify eligibility, too.
73Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 11:54
I'm new to the league and still feeling my way, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I think I like the rule. It will decrease the possibilities of somebody drafting a superstud (or perhaps *many* future superstuds) with very late round draft choices and holding them forever as 22nd round draft choices or whatever. That's great for the guy in that position...but my sense is that over time, and maybe over not so long a time, that could greatly unbalance a league.
74Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 11:58
<71> Well you are the guy who has to do the work and make sure all are OK with the rules. I'm OK with whatever you enforce, as long as enforcement is consistent, and allows all a fair chance to react to the rule change. Count my vote as a dont care.
75Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 11:58
I would add that this might be the time to consider a rule covering a situation we mentioned back aways -- allowing a player acquired by trade to be kept in a position one slot above his draft position.

That is if I acquire your 4th round player, and I'm keeping my own 4th round player, I can keep my new acquisition as my 3rd round player instead. I think this would facilitate trading. Shouldn't be overly complex -- when you list your keepers just say "3. Joe Blow (was a 4 last year)."
76Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:05
Toral I'm not opposed to considering that. Like you said I think it will help facilitate trading. I think that probably needs a longer discussion though.
Since what we're talking about with the draft eligibility is something that we could see enforced as early as tuesday I'd like to focus on that to make sure we get the discussion done, one way or the other.

But lets keep the discussion of the ability to bump up traded players one round open.
77vampireweekend
      ID: 492102111
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:10
I am with Tree and not really in favor...part of the fun is the differing ways people operate in keeper leagues...clog spots with players who might develop or push more for the now...
78Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:13
<75> I think I was the one that suggested that rule. I would not restrict it to one round. If it is adopted in some fashion, I believe that the player should keep his historic round number and not take on his new round number based on the most recent draft. Its record keeping though, and you know my theme, whatever is easiest for the commish. But we have a whole season to discuss this one, it wont be an impending issue until next year's draft, though it could affect mid-season trading.
79Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:27
Ok, all posted keepers so far check out as eligible.
80Tree
      ID: 582211613
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 17:02
The more I read the rule, the more I dislike it.

It just really takes a lot of creativity out of the game, and forces everyone to adopt a similar strategy.
81mailedfoot
      ID: 531322718
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 18:46
Question:

If a manager fails to post keepers by the deadline, do all players from that team go back into the draft pool?

82Goryllas
      ID: 100501319
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 19:34
Keepers

2.Adrian Beltre
3.Max Scherzer
6.Yoenis Cespedes
7.Zack Greinke
14.Alex Wood
16.Miguel Sano
17.Addison Russell
18.Brian Dozier
20.Alcides Escobar
83Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 20:31
Mailedfoot - I'm hoping to not have to deal with that. I think a few keepers would be assigned to make sure we dont have a competitive unbalance. I'll say this though - I wont try for tough decisions or to force anything anybody didn't want. If it was a toss up or not cut and dry the guy would go back in the pool.

Using Tree's team for example I think I'd assign price, harper and harvey but not Jose Fernandez. Not to say I dont think fernandez should or shouldn't be a keeper. Just that I'm not running the team for an absent manager.

I'm not going to make the decision to keep an injured player for a rebuild or future foundation. I'm also not going to keep guys that I would consider a keeper but maybe on a deep team would force a decision. It'll be the studs and thats about it.

The difference between harvey and fernandez is that Harvey was injured and out for the season when Tree drafted him last year. It was obviously a speculative pick that I wouldn't undo. Fernandez was taken to actually pitch last year. Would tree keep him since he's out another half year? I'm not going to guess at that.
84Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 20:33
And tree in post 80 - that is a good point about differing strategies from different managers. I think we should keep the discussion going but barring a landslide in short order (like before keeper deadline is past) we should be discussing that for next year.
85Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 20:53
We're just waiting on three owners now, right?

Tree
wiggs
DowntownDomBrown
86Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 21:01
José Fernández (Mia - SP) 2.11
Xander Bogaerts (Bos - 3B,SS) 3.4
David Price (Det - SP) 4.11
Adrián González (LAD - 1B) 5.4
Carlos Santana (Cle - C,1B,3B) 6.11
Khris Davis (Mil - LF) 14.11
Matt Harvey (NYM - SP) 15.4
Dee Gordon (Mia - 2B) 17.4
Marcell Ozuna (Mia - LF,CF) 19.4

your post above was funny to me, because here i am keeping Fernandez, and not keeping Harper. of course, i have the number one pick, so i want to see what else is out there, and can just grab Harper back if he's the one i want.
87wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 12:43
Keepers
Matt Kemp Rd 6
Jordan Zimmerman Rd 7
88Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:05
all posted keepers have been entered into draftime and yahoo. Changes can still be made up until 11:59pm tonight. there were a small handful of ineligible keepers due to the player being dropped and picked back up. Those keepers have not been entered and the managers have been notified. Those players are still in the draft pool.
89Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:12
Just in case emails dont go thru - tree and knights radiant (gorylla) please check the following keepers off you list as ineligible:

Tree
1. Kris Davis - dropped may 12, picked up may 26

Goryllas
1. Addison Russel - dropped April 6 picked up august 16
2. alcides escobar - dropped april 6 picked up august 16
-------------------

On a somewhat related note, something I just realized that can be used to address accidents now:

If you accidentally drop a player you do not intend to drop do not simply put in a waiver request to pick him up. Email me right away to add him back. When I do this there is a small note next to his name in the add/drop list indicating it was a commissioner move. This is the only way for a player to maintain his eligibility.
If you drop a player by accident and add him back any other way then he loses eligibility as a keeper.
90Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:13
i don't believe we can actually see the lists on draftime until the draft is started? is that correct?

being that most of my job involves me being on the road, having a cheat sheet ahead of time is helpful to keep things going. :D
91Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:29
also, is there any way to post the draft order - it'll help avoid confusion.
92Goryllas
      ID: 130582910
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:36
Additional Keepers after the two ineligibles:



13. Victor Martinez
93Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:37
Tree, the draft order is in post 51. And no I can't open the draft at draftime until all keepers are entered which I'm finalizing now that we have downtown dom brown's keepers.

tonight before I go to bed I'll open the draft at draftime. Also if you go to the yahoo league and go to players - i'm entering them as we go. They wont show in your team page until I start the draft but as I add them they disappear from the player list.

Draft clock begins tuesday so we'll have all day tomorrow to finish setting up lists.

Downtown Dom Browns keepers
1 Miguel Cabrera
8 Jose Altuve
4 Chris Sale (Trade from Profar's spot)
10 Sonny Gray (Trade from Springers spot)
23 Jorge Soler
20 Devin Mesorocco
5 Starlin Castro
3 Steven Strasburg
11 Hyun Jin Ryu
94Goryllas
      ID: 130582910
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:38
Sorry about confusion. I'm in 6 leagues and I was going by that spreadsheet that was emailed. Which btw is extremely in valueble. Thanks to whoever put that together. None of my other leagues do that.
95Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:49
i was actually being more specific on the draft order, in regards to exact picks, since not everyone has a pick in every round.
96Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:59
ahhh. that will be available tonight.

And Goryllas - you can thank Bean for that.
97wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 15:06
Add Keeper
Jacoby ellsbury rd 1
Jose Reyes Rd 3
98 Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 17:10
94 "that spreadsheet that was emailed"

Hey, can I get me one of those, whatever it is?
99Goryllas
      ID: 130582910
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 17:34
Ask Khahan. I think he sent it to my email. If I get a chance tonight I'll email you the one I have. Be wary. Mine is outdated I'm planning on updating it myself so I don't get lost at drafttime
100 Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 17:34
ditto
101Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 17:39
Keeper Change;

REMOVE Prince Fielder (2)
102Goryllas
      ID: 100501319
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 19:16
Sent it to Tree and Toral
103 Artofmonk
      ID: 33250122
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 19:43
Could I get the spreadsheet as well.
104Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 19:49
anxiously awaiting its arrival.
105Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 20:05
Got mine! Thanx.
106Goryllas
      ID: 100501319
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 20:11
104- I sent it to rabbi_cuervo@yahoo Tree.

103- I sent it to morganboyack@yahoo Art

107 wiggs
      ID: 412501822
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:23
Can i get the spreadsheet as well
Thanks
108 C1-NRB
      ID: 36241814
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:50
If you're giving them away, I'll take it, too.
109Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:56
Damn, I guess I should start a blog and post my spreadsheets. Hope it helps.
110Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 22:28
keeper change:

Remove Khris Davis
Add Michael Morse
111Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 00:02
No further keeper changes are being processed. The draft has started. Tree can pick whenever, though the clock doesn't start running until 8am EST tuesday morning. We all have all day monday to prepare our sheets. Im going with a 4 hour clock but we really cannot have anybody time out on this. We need people to pay attention, check in reguarly at draftime and use the queue system and designated picker system.
112Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 05:08
On Draftime, I am still listed as having a no pick at 2.03, and my team as having used a keeper slot there (although the name of the ex-keeper has been removed.)
113Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 07:17
I've emailed KKB to take a look at those picks. There are 4 of them: picks 2.03 14.01 17.01 and 20.01
114Tree
      ID: 582211613
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 07:44
Just an FYI...anyone holding their breath for a pick today, should breathe.

The earliest I'd be picking would be late tonight.
115Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 08:12
You're up in DD as well, Tree
116 Downtown Dom Brown
      ID: 551259
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 11:30
Can i get a draftime link? I can't seem to find it.
117Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 17:22
emailed you the link to draftime and your username there.
118Artofmonk
      ID: 33250122
      Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 20:03
Why is the draft stopped?
119Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 20:10
Not sure AoM. Payment was sent in. I confirmed it with paypal that it went thru ok. I've emailed Fred to look into it. I'm guessing its a site glitch. Should be back up and running tomorrow morning or maybe even tonight.
I do not have the option to restart it right now.
120Artofmonk
      ID: 33250122
      Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 20:18
Thanks khanan.
121Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 22:02
Fred's fixing it. Looks like I hit the wrong link and paid for the wrong draft.
123Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 19:14
This is my first keeper draft where we lose draft picks for keepers kept. Its definitely interesting and takes a bit more planning on picks than the traditional keeper rules.
124 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 19:30
a draft question if I draft say in rd.11, Byron buxton and he begins the year in AAA, can i shift him to the NA position and still use him as a keeper next year, even if he never makes the major league roster in 2014?
125Khahan
      ID: 34255168
      Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 20:05
As long as he doesn't get dropped that works fine
126Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 14:55
we're almost definitely cutting down to a 3 hour clock starting tomorrow. We are about half way thru from when keepers are due to the start of the season but not quite half way thru the draft (104 picks made, 122 picks to go).
We'll have to pick some time up where we can including a 3 hour clock to make sure we dont burn that valuable time we have left unnecessarily and draft clock starting at 8am est instead of 9am est. Sorry all, but its about half the managers doing this to us. 6 or 7 guys have a huge cumulative clock at this point.

USE THE QUEUE SYSTEM. USE DESIGNATED PICKERS. At this point when we're under the gun and NOT on pace there is absolutely no excuse not to.
127Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 21:28
at 5 am on Wednesday, i'm traveling to NYC.

let's please get this done.
128Romee
      ID: 130582910
      Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 15:11
Hey Khahan. I am using a placeholder for Hector Olivera of the Dodgers. He wasn't a available in the drafttime rosters.
129Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 17:52
Romee's round 18 pick has been updated to yoan moncada as his original pick was not available to draft.
130Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 20:28
This is lunatic. I feel like I've spent this entire draft season waiting form "airallnite" to pick in drafts. -- many drafts. Yet he *still* isn't being forced to queue or be skipped, as in other leagues.

This draft should have been over at least two days ago. I blame the fact it's not on the Commissioner. There was *no clock* last weekend when he was complaining about the length of the draft. I intentionally put off things until the middle of this week, knowing that all well-run drafts would be finished by then. That is, by now.

I'm ready to go to bed. I would autopick, but who knows when airallnite and wiggs will pick? There might be 20 important roster changes made between me and the next picker if I just set autopick now, and the next person doesn't go until tomorow morning.

Good night.

131Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 20:44
setting a delay of 175 mins doesn't exactly help move things along either, Toral.

Aside from 1 delay sunday afternoon between me and tree the weekend went very well. There would have been no other time outs if a clock was enforced.

After sunday except for WG there have been no time outs. And his reduced clock has been enforced. We're in good shape to finish tomorrow and I can have it activated so waivers should clear saturday or sunday. Which means we can get our first wave of pick ups for the first game.

Fact is, I really shouldn't have to be enforcing a clock and a time on weekends. As we've said over and over and over again draftime gives amazing draft assist features which so many people who are causing the problems refuse to use. I'll take the blame for starting so late and giving us not a lot of time to get it done. But we did have sufficient time no matter how close cut. But to say you blame me....go blame the people who can't simply set a queue. And to yell about blame and then set a 175 min wait time and announce you are going to bed so when it does get to you tonight (did you see the number of instant queues set to blast thru) we all have to wait no matter what) is a little over the top.

Lets just get thru these last 2 rounds and take it out on the standings. :) I'm ready for baseball.
132Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 21:19
As long as you hit the begin season button the day before the season starts its all good, assuming no errors in the loading of rosters in Yahoo, that is. Losing out on a guy for one day of waiver period is no big deal in a 162 game season.

Thanks for your effort Khahan.
133Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 21:38
, assuming no errors in the loading of rosters in Yahoo

Actually, as I do in all leagues I've been adding the players to yahoo as they've been drafted. Anybody and everybody in the league can be and should be checking in at: our league draft results page over at yahoo and double check my work.
Any mistakes should be emailed to me at the email in this post or just posted here.
134Khahan
      ID: 34255168
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 13:10
We're almost done folks. 7 picks to go and I think 4 of them are on auto pick. Assuming we finish this afternoon I'll be ready to activate the league around 6 pm EST.
135wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 16:39
Toral please explain to me how you can possibly say you dont know how long before I will pick. I had the most picks in the draft and I was the 3rd least amount of time. You used more time with your 175 delay then I did over the course of 15 picks. Absolutely no need for you to be mentioning me in the same comment as someone who has timed out numerous times
136Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 17:28
Quite right. I didn't intend to imply that your picks took forever. As you point out you can look it up and say that they didn't.

At that particular time there was a set of autopicks extending right down to you. If you had happened to have set up an autopick -- not that you should have felt obliged to -- then I would have known exactly the latest my pick could come up, and could have considered waiting it out.

Not knowing how long you would take -- in my time situation I couldn't even afford an extra 15 minutes, I simply had to set a long delay autopick and then leave, hoping I could get back to look before my pick came up (which I was unable to do.) . You however were an innocent bystander (or fellow victim) rather than a perpetrator.
137wiggs
      ID: 412501822
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 17:34
Ok. Fair enough. Sorry
138Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 17:37
We have a proposal which has been brought up a few times and not really given a proper discussion.

It boils down to this: We have a pretty strict set of keeper rules that actually are a bit prohibitive to trading. The rule change is to allow players who were traded to have their keeper round bumped up 1.

In other words i drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6 last year. I trade him this year. Whoever I trade him to would be able to declare him as either a round 6 or a round 5 keeper (I'd even be willing to allow a 2 round bump up).
This does not override any other rule. So in the example above if you are keeping your rounds 4, 5 and 6 player and trade for hamilton for me, you can keep him 6 or bump him up to 4 or 5 but whichever round you keep him in....you have to choose still.

Feel free to discuss and/or simply give a yes/no. Its a straightforward rule that I think if we are passing should be implemented immediately for any and all trades.

139wiggs
      ID: 412501822
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 18:18
Ok. Fair enough. Sorry
140Toral
      Leader
      ID: 2111201313
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 18:18
I'll by a "Yes" for however the final proposal turns out. However....

1. Question: if Hamilton, taken in the 6th round, is kept by someone else the following year as their 5th round keeper, does he become a 5th-round keeper forever? Or is he still 6th-round-keeper eligible in future years?

2. Question: why limit the bump up to 2 rounds? If someone wants to keep a 6th-rounder he has traded for in his 3rd-round keeper slot, why not let him? Why not let him be kept in any higher slot? Is it a matter of easier bookkeeping?
141Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 18:34
Toral - to question 1 the answer is he becomes a keeper of whatever round he is kept in. This is due to our other rules. Remember if he's traded and kept in say the 4th round in 2016 that effectively means he was drafted in the 4th round in 216

#2 - good point for discussion and one I'm open to arguments for. I dont really know. As I was typing up the proposal it just *seemed* like we need some kind of definitive model. But I guess we really dont.

For record I'm in favor of the change, whether we ultimately decide to allow any upward movement or restrict it to a smaller upward window.

So far 2 votes, 2 yeses for the change. Just gotta work out the details. Lets keep the info coming.
142 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Thu, Apr 02, 2015, 21:21
I really have no opinion. when I made my trade during the off season, I made my offer to a manager who had players that were drafted in the same rounds just to simplify the transaction. I would think a trade made in the regular season isn't made with the intention of acquiring a keeper. usually it would be made out of the need for a roster upgrade(injury or to fill a scoring category deficiency). so whatever the league decides is fine with me.
143Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Fri, Apr 03, 2015, 01:12
I like no limit to the number of rounds to move up.
I like that the guy permanently keeps the round he has moved up to.
I like an option to move my current player up vs the guy I just acquired too.
144Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Fri, Apr 03, 2015, 01:13
Oh, and I like waiting until the following season's keeper declaration to do anything.
145Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 19:35
Ok, we are getting very little input on the proposed rules change. However based on multiple brief discussions the idea has no detractors yet and some support. I'm going to email the league to respond with a vote on this rule

Any keeper eligible player who is traded may have his keeper round round moved up in next season's draft by the new manager. There is no limit on how far up it can be moved. All other rules still apply and the new round is declared at the time of keeper declaration.

Additional rules change to avoid the havoc and frustration we had this year: The following line from our league constitution is being changed - Keepers are due 14 days before the first game of the regular season. to Keepers are due 18 days before the first game of the regular season.
146Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 19:42
scratch that email - I posted a poll in the league page along with a post for an explanation.
147Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Mon, Apr 06, 2015, 21:40
Updates to league constitution:

Positions for 24 round draft:

C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
NAx1

Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves, K's, ERA, Whip

14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count.

Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters

Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players.
In season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.

Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.

Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players

Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared.

Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick.

Keepers are due 18 days before the first game of the regular season.

Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.


Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.

If you receive a keeper eligible player via trade, you may move that players keeper round up during the keeper declarations after you received him. All other keeper rules still apply.
Example - in 2014 Khahan drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6. During the 2015 I trade him to another manager. In the 2016 keeper declaration Billy Hamilton may be declared as a keeper in any round 1-6 provided the manager has a draft slot free. For all future years that Hamilton remains a keeper that chosen round is now considered his keeper round.



Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.

The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at
Drafttime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.

The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).

Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if must meet a deadline.
Interested managers, please post here with an active email. Slots are first come, first serve.
149Khahan
      ID: 196272010
      Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 11:29
We have our first trade of the season. This is a good time to remind everybody of the new keeper rule this year. When it comes time to declare keepers for 2016, Noah Syndergaard can be declared as either round 19 (his original draft round in 2015)or bumped up to any round Wiggs has an open keeper slot in. Jose Reyes can be kept as a round 3 by Niagra Meridians or bumped up to rounds 2 or 1 if there is an open keeper slot.

Ian Desmond, since he was dropped and picked up and spent time on the FA/WW is not eligible to be kept.
150Khahan
      ID: 4993259
      Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 11:12
Congratz to Tree for a hard fought victory!!
151Khahan
      ID: 5998813
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 14:16
Our 11-14 place teams in order are:
Khahan
Vampire Weekend
Super Twins
C1's Stocking Feat.

We had the numbers randomized in this thread:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=base&thread=20338&last=1444331341

by random people for transparency since I'm involved in the draft.

applying the first set we get
4 khahan
2 vampire
3 super twins
1 C1

(giving us C1, vampire, super twins, khahan)

applying the second set to the new order we get:
4 C1
1 Vampire
3 Super twins
2 Khahan

(new order: vampire khahan supertwins C1)

And applying the last set we get:
3 vampire
2 khahan
1 super twins
4 C1

Our draft order lottery is set for 2016 the top 4 spots in order are:
1 Super Twins
2 Khahan
3 Vampire Weekend
4 C1

The rest of the draft is reverse order of finish:
5 Black and White
6 Downtown Dom Brown
7 gurudan
8 the power of lemke
9 Bean
10 WG
11 Niagra Meridians
12 Foot
13 Knights Radiant
14 Tree

152wiggs
      ID: 412501822
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 14:28
1st thing i won all year
153artofmonk
      ID: 27940813
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 14:40
Khahan thank you for commishing the league.
154artofmonk
      ID: 27940813
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 18:05
for my purposes of keepers
Cano (1)
puig (2)
Kipnis (3)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Carpenter (7)
Ross (17)
Gardner (18)
dallas (21)
Stroman (24)
155Toral
      ID: 1753514
      Mon, Nov 09, 2015, 11:41
That's 10. You only get 9 IIRC.
156Khahan
      ID: 251040911
      Mon, Nov 09, 2015, 12:40
Toral is correct. 0-9 keepers.
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