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Subject: 8 Men Out Keeper League 2016 Season 3

Posted by: Khahan - [440302911] Fri, Jan 29, 2016, 12:44

Welcome back everybody to year 3 of the 8 Men Out Keeper league. Its still early so not much going yet. But I wanted to post the updated constitution due to the change in our keeper rules related to trades:

Positions for 24 round draft:

C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
NAx1

Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves, K's, ERA, Whip

14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count if hosting site rules allow

Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters

Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players but can be changed to any earlier round in the first draft following the trade. Declaration of the new round is required at the time of keeper declaration.
In season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.

Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.

Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players

Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared.

Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. ~~I may not keep either. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick.~~ I may not keep Sandberg any longer as there is no draft slot to put him in. I may declare Dawson as a keeper in any round of 1-4 as long as I have a keeper slot available.

Keepers are due 18 days before the first game of the regular season.

Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.

Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.

If you receive a keeper eligible player via trade, you may move that players keeper round up during the keeper declarations after you received him. All other keeper rules still apply.
Example - in 2014 Khahan drafted Billy Hamilton in round 6. During the 2015 I trade him to another manager. In the 2016 keeper declaration Billy Hamilton may be declared as a keeper in any round 1-6 provided the manager has a draft slot free. For all future years that Hamilton remains a keeper that chosen round is now considered his keeper round.

Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.

The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at
Drafttime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.

The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).

Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if must meet a deadline.

Any portion above in italics is a change in the constitution.

For the 2016 draft - I just want to note that 2015 was a bit frustrating at times. We use draftime.com because it offers some fantastic features to help manage a draft. You can set a general queue that can be dipped into. Or you can set a queue for each individual round with completely different players in it. You can set multiple people up to be able to make your pick for you. And you set your queue so those people can see the whole queue or only the top pick available. Please make use of the tools our draft site has to offer.

And remember, players must be in the Yahoo database to be eligible for the draft.

Tree
ID: 211133217
Fri, Jan 29, 2016, 14:10

are you keeping our draft history anywhere, so we can be reminded of where we picked our players?

Khahan
ID: 440312913
Fri, Jan 29, 2016, 14:31

Draft history is in the league yahoo site and will be in the draftime site once that is up and running.

For easy reference here is our

2015 draft results.

Khahan
ID: 22012916
Fri, Jan 29, 2016, 17:01

Have extra keepers and looking for some extra picks? Send me an offer. Willing to trade draft picks for keepers for the 2016 draft.
Coming out of 2014 I thought I would have 7-9 keepers set for a few years but injuries and not quite living up to expectations (cough billy Hamilton cough) have set me back. I'll take a 1 year hit on the draft to acquire some long term keepers that can help me over multiple seasons.

Toral
ID: 2200158
Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 10:01

Recommended rule/set-up change: same-day instead of next-day transactions.

Black Death
ID: 500113111
Sun, Jan 31, 2016, 12:13

I got my invite. back

Khahan
ID: 2117111
Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 12:17

#4 - Not ignoring the request toral. But we're still waiting for half the league to sign up. Its early yet. Just waiting until we have a better look at the league as a whole before discussing rules and changes.

Toral
ID: 24132111
Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 12:32

Great. No hurry.

Khahan
ID: 23155315
Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 16:55

Waiting for confirmation from 2 managers: Knights Radiant and Airallnite. I'm guessing from the dirty dozen thread that WG is not coming back but waiting for a response thru email to confirm.

WG
ID: 552431321
Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 08:59

Khahan, I'm still in for this league if you'll have me. Just trying to focus on a few leagues, not get out altogether.

Khahan
ID: 2112248
Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 09:22

Awesome to hear WG. Glad to have you back. :)

wiggs
ID: 412501822
Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 13:18

Nice. A baseball league without wg is like christmas without presents

WG
ID: 57039212
Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 21:58

Thanks Wiggs!

Khahan
ID: 915910
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 11:05

Still waiting to hear back/get registration from Knights Radiant. Its a bit early yet so not too worried. Will give him another 2 weeks or so.

If anybody has an updated email address for him, please let me know.

And again this year I'm blowing up my draft. Trading picks for keepers. Trying to set myself up for 2017 and beyond rather than doing a long, drawn out rebuild thru multiple drafts. I've the 2nd overall pick and the second pick in every round (probably the 1st, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th. Maybe the 6th round).

Willing to trade players too. Have the likes of EE (2nd round), J Upton (3rd), Felix Hernandez (4th). Let me know. Everything must go for this huge blowout!!

Khahan
ID: 43130129
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 10:30

*****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT*****

Khahan trades his round 8 pick to C1 Stocking Feat

C1 Stocking Feat sends Jake Odorizzi and his round 20 pick to Khahan

Khahan can keep Odorizzi in round 15 or higher.

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 11:55

Sorry. I've been busy. Plays I'm in too many leagues. Dynasty Football included. I'm joining now.

C1-NRB
ID: 521321212
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 13:33

Khahan trades his round 8 pick to C1 Stocking Feat
C1 Stocking Feat sends Jake Odorizzi and his round 20 pick to Khahan

Confirmed

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 11:34

I've sent out a league-wide email confirming keeper date (march 15, 11:59pm posted on these boards) and draft date start (March 17).

If you did not get the email, please go to your yahoo account and update that because thats the email it got sent to.

1 change from last year: This year if no keeper list is posted for a team the assumption is there are to be no keepers.

mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 07:05

Have following keeper eligible players if anyone is interested in exploring potential trades (draft round in parenthesis):

Ryan Braun (1)
Evan Longoria (2)
Albert Pujols (4)
Jake Arrieta (5)
Carlos Carrasco (6)
Ben Zobrist (7)
Joc Pederson (8)
Jayson Werth (10)
Jonathan Papelbon (11)
Chase Headley (14)
Brad Boxberger (15)
Francisco Liriano (16)
Russ Martin (20)
David Dahl (22)

Black Death
ID: 500113111
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 20:59

I am sorry, but due to a pick up in work lately I can't do these leagues. I got a couple of big projects I am involved in that just came up the last couple of weeks and I found that I don't have the time to even do proper research. I really like the leagues and I am sorry. I wish you guys luck.
This is for the Political League and 8-Men Out. I'm sorry again. Work comes first unfortunately.

Meatwads
ID: 2020221
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 22:00

I'm available to take over a team if you guys need a replacement manager.

artforthehall
ID: 451282212
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 10:20

for my purposes of keepers
Cano (1)
puig (2)
Kipnis (3)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Carpenter (7)
Ross (17)
Gardner (18)
dallas (21)
Stroman (24)

I know I can only keep 9

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 13:51

I would enjoy being in this league

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 14:54

keeper list

pedroia 2b (2)
bumgarner sp (3)
robertson rp (9)
springer rf (10)
archer sp (11)
tomas 3b (12)
gallo 3b (17)
cain cf (20)
burns cf (22)

Khahan
ID: 29234310
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 15:17

I was having a discussion with somebody else a few weeks ago about joining. He has first crack at the team, one of GO's friends. If he has found other leagues and moved on, I'll open the team back up for meat or tax. That will be a tough decision.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 21:16

Spots filled.

Meatwads
ID: 181121414
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 22:06

Thanks for the consideration Khahan. I love fantasy baseball and especially keeper leagues with minors, so I'm always interested in any future openings.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 22:07

Ok, we're set at Yahoo. At draftime I had already set up the draft with order so I cannot drop managers. I emailed KKB to see if he can drop romee and add Thumqer. If he cannot we'll have to start a new draftime draft and have everybody re-register. Quick and easy.

VampireWeekend
ID: 53236414
Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 15:37

VampireWeekend likely keepers

Trout (1)
Machado (2)
Mookie (3)
Abreu (4)
Yelich (5)
Rendon (11)
Kluber (15)
Lindor (17)
Allen (21)

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 20:57

This is a tough league...

Keepers:

Scherzer - 3
Cespedes - 6
Greinke - 7
Pollock - 10
Sano - 16
Dozier - 18
Iglesias - 21
JP Crawford 24

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 21:04

Correction: Scratch Iglesias. I just went by the drafted list. My bad

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:01

Subject to change, but for now:

Harper 1
Jose Fernandez 2
Bogaerts 3
Price 4
Adrian Gonzalez 5
Odor 10
Darvish 14
Harvey 15
Gordon 17

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 11:10

Since everyone else is posting tentative keepers/available players, here are mine:

Likely keepers:

01 P. Goldschmidt
02 J. Votto
03 B. Posey
04 C. Gomez
05 N. Cruz
06 T. Rosenthal
09 K. Seager
12 J. Cueto
13 C. Hammels

Also have:

07 M. Holliday
08 K. Uehara
10 S. Castillo
15 J. Peralta
18 E. Santana

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 11:45

All prospective keepers posted so far check out as keeper eligible. If anybody wants to check to see if a player they have is keeper eligible all you have to do is:

a) check to see if you drafted him
b) go to the league home page and for the year, choose 2015 from the drop down box
c) once in 2015 go to transactions, choose your team and choose add. If his name appears on the list, he is not keeper eligible.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 11:58

I want to take a moment and revisit a discussion from last season. It garnered a little bit of discussion, a little bit of support and a little bit of opposition.
The premise when I designed the league rules was to try and keep the draft pool fresh with major league ready players. The proposal last year was that to be draft eligible a player must have some mlb experience. What I'd like to propose we discuss and vote on this year (to be effecitive in 2017, NOT to be effective for this draft as it will have screwed up some draft strats last year):

In order to be keeper eligible a player must have 50AB or 20 IP.

You want to speculate on a September call-up and get a lock in a on a guy, great. Go for it. You want to speculate on a guy who wont hit the majors for 2 years? This was never intended to be a prospect league.

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:30

In order to be keeper eligible a player must have 50AB or 20 IP.

presumably in a career, not in the previous season. if so, we would need to make sure to write that in.

Toral
ID: 211292511
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:30

Provisional Keepers:

Clayton Kershaw (1)
Jose Bautista (3)
Josh Donaldson (5)
Michael Wacha (6)
Eric Hosmer (9)
Francisco Rodriguez (10)
Matt Wieters (18)

Toral
ID: 211292511
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:38

Last year I said this about the proposed rule:

"I think I like the rule. It will decrease the possibilities of somebody drafting a superstud (or perhaps *many* future superstuds) with very late round draft choices and holding them forever as 22nd round draft choices or whatever. That's great for the guy in that position...but my sense is that over time, and maybe over not so long a time, that could greatly unbalance a league."

I think I still like the rule.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:40

Tree, 35 - yes. Just looking at overall. Again, I dont want to discourage speculation. But I never wanted a prospect league. The goal of this is to keep the draft fresh each year. To make the draft important enough that teams can feel like they are accomplishing something either by grabbing a new young stud who emerged (schwarber for example) or restocking for the next year by speculating on MLB ready talent (JP crawford for example is out of this draft even though he has yet to sniff the majors).

I also think going with MLB rookie status will be too restrictive and bite too much into the speculation aspect. I drew those numbers to cover september call ups and make it easy for them to be eligible. But the guy who gets called up for a spot start to replace an injury is still a prospect.

And to re-emphasize I have no intention of having this rule in place for 2016 as I know many people drafted players last year with an eye on this year.

C1-NRB
ID: 22242221
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:58

I think it's a good idea, especially if it was part of the founder's intentions.
That being said I took a flyer on Maikel Franco in last year's draft. I wouldn't have if I had known it wasn't in the spirit of the league.

WG
ID: 552431321
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 13:34

So if this change occurs next year, you can draft JP this year in, say, round 7; he doesn't play at all this year but you can still keep him in 2017, right? But if this scenario occurred next year you couldn't keep him in 2018.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 14:58

No WG, the rules begin to apply in 2017. If Jp Crawford is drafted this year and doesn't get called up or play at all, he couldn't be a keeper in 2017.

However, the manager who drafted him in 2015 could keep him this year.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 15:02

And C-1 - Franco is actually a great example. You drafted him, he playd a bit. He's great to keep. That is exactly the kind of prospect that is good to speculate on.

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 17:30

<34/35> So are you saying that in order for the guy to be a keeper he must meet those thresholds at the time of drafting or at the time of keeper declaration?

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 20:24

I'm cool with that Khahan.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 21:10

Bean - yes. There is no draft restriction. You can speculate on anybody you want in the draft. But if that speculative pick doesn't get a call up, he can't be kept.

C1-NRB
ID: 22242221
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 22:13

That interpretation would make perfect sense. I am definitely on board with a rule like that.

Khahan
ID: 48222710
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:22

So far we have some light discussion and 4-0 yes votes. Need a few more voices in the mix here. Tree didn't vote, but he was opposed to the original rule last year. Curious if this change is palatable to him or not.

And to answer Bean's question in 43 a bit more specifically, those guidelines must be met at the time of keeper declaration.

Khahan
ID: 48222710
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:55

Also, please don't forget post 4 - Toral is requesting we change from next day transactions to same day transactions.

So we need 2 votes:

a) In order to be keeper eligible a player must have 50AB or 20 IP. Vote yes or no

b) next day transactions vs same day

C1-NRB
ID: 22242221
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 12:03

I'm a Yes for same day transactions.

Bean
ID: 41052279
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 12:18

a YES
b NEXT DAY

artforthehall
ID: 451282212
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 14:14

a yes

I am not seeing the discussion about transactions. i am all for same day transactions, but is this just the first come for server method still or transactions pickups can only be made before a certain time each day. I will just say I don't like the current method when their is a closer change.

Khahan
ID: 36235713
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 14:36

51 - there really isn't much discussion. This is not a question of waivers or anything like that. In the current system (next day) I go in, find a player on the FA list and add him...he appears on my roster the next day.

The proposed change would be same-day transaction. I go in, find a FA I like, add him and he is on my roster that day.

Pros of next day: Lets you plan a head a bit easier and is easier for people who like to do their stuff later in the day

Pros of same day: Immediate access to fill injuries etc and it probably easier for people who like to get their stuff earlier in the day.

Con of next day: can't fill a hole for a sudden line up deficiency that day

Con of same day: roster locks mean you may not be able to drop somebody you want to drop until the next day if you wait too long.

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 15:47

yes same day

Toral
ID: 211292511
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 16:11

As the guy who proposed same-day transactions, I would say that the opportunity to pick up a player to fill a hole or pick up someone as an injury replacement on the same-day, if I can do it before any games start that day, is a good thing.

I would note that the rule is not likely to lead to humongous more transactions here IMO...becuz in this league, anyone who has been drafted and is cut can't be a keeper, and I think managers hope at the beginning of the year that their choices, even (especially?) low draft choices, can be keepers. In order to make a pick-up, you have to cut one -- and under this format, low draft choices are less likely to be cut, at least early.

As for FF (fastest fingers) pickup of newly anointed closers -- this change makes little difference. Only affects whether he joins your roster today or tomorrow.

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 18:15

A) Yes
B) Sure

Thumqer
ID: 48151419
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 19:29

Hi all, I'm the new guy to the league. I'm happy to take up the spot of team BlackAndWhite, but am open to trading players to personalize the team a bit. More on that in a sec. For the rule vote:
a) Yes am for the minimum requirements
b) Same day transactions

My top eligible keeper list which are open for trade! Send me an email if interested.

(3) Chris Davis
(4) Charlie Blackmon
(6) J.D. Martinez
(13) Ken Giles
(15) Jon Lester
(17) Wade Davis
(18) Yoan Moncada
(22) Todd Frazier
(23) Jon Schoop

Other guys for trade:
(1) Troy Tulowitzki
(2) Prince Fielder
(5) Garrett Richards
(7) Gio Gonzalez
(8) Hunter Pence
(9) Anibal Sanchez
(10) Yan Gomes
(12) Ben Revere
(14) Steve Souza
(19) Jung Ho Kang
(20) Drew Hutchison

mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 20:05

1. Yes
2. Same Day

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 22:28

Rule change 1:

yes votes: mailedfoot, knights radiant (just started re-reading the series, btw, KR), artofmonk, bean, c1, toral, khahan, thumqer

That's 8 yes votes to 0 no votes. Again, for this upcoming set of keepers due within the next 10 days or so, there are no changes. This is for the 2017 and beyond keeper rules only.

Next day vs same day is a little closer
Bean and I are for next day
Knights Radiant - sure?
Same day is mailed, thumqer, toral, gurudan, C1

WG
ID: 36217119
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 22:57

1. yes
2. same day

WG
ID: 36217119
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 23:19

1 - Giancarlo Stanton
5 - Jacob deGrom
6 - Gerrit Cole
9 - Javier Baez
11 - Salvador Perez
12 - Carlos Rodon
16 - Kris Bryant
18 - Gregory Polanco
24 - Michael Brantley

wiggs
ID: 491040722
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 00:34

yes
Same day

Tree
ID: 211133217
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 08:32

a - yes, with a clear note in the rules that this is for a career.
b. next

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 11:50

A - yes

B - same

Khahan
ID: 1921989
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 12:10

4 more yes votes for the change to keeper requirements brings it to 12-0 in favor. That's more than enough to make it official. I'll update the constitution AFTER keepers are declared this year to avoid any confusion.

On the transaction issue, same day picked up 2 more votes, next day picked up 1 more. Its now 7-3 with KR's not clearly stating which he was voting for. Its picking up steam but not quite there yet.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 12:36

I typed up my keepers but must have not submitted them. I'll redo them this afternoon.

I have Noah synderguard available for trade. He is an 18 Th round keeper. Huge value. Looking for a keeper or 2 and or picks

WG
ID: 552431321
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 12:49

I am also looking to move Gregory Polanco 18 if anyone is interested since he plays the same position as Stanton.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 12:54

For interest in synderguard email here

Khahan
ID: 1921989
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 13:31

One note when naming keepers for my own sanity during bookkeeping. If you acquired a player via trade PLEASE NOTATE that fact when you post keepers.

Tree
ID: 211133217
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 17:40

i am *considering* the possibility of moving Adrian Gonzalez (round 5). if you've got ideas, shoot me an email.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 10:59

Keepers
Synderguard 15
Buxton 16
Russell 17
Giolito 18
Seager 19
Urias 21
Jon gray 24

Khahan
ID: 925911
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 12:05

Keepers
Edwin Encarnacion, 1st Tor (2)
Justin Upton, LF Det (3)
Felix Hernandez SP Sea(4)
Kole Calhoun RF LAA (12)
Jake Odorizzi SP Tam (15)
Travis D'Arnaud C NYM(16)
Devon Travis 2nd Tor (18)
Jason Hammel SP Chi (24)

daleforthehall
ID: 451282212
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 17:51

updated keeper
Cano (1)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Carpenter (7)
Ross (17)
Gardner (18)
dallas (21)
Stroman (24)

Thumqer
ID: 48151419
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 13:20

Keepers

(2) Prince Fielder
(3) Chris Davis
(4) Charlie Blackmon
(6) J.D. Martinez
(13) Ken Giles
(15) Jon Lester
(17) Wade Davis
(22) Todd Frazier
(23) Jon Schoop

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 13:40

*****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT*****

Bean sends Cole Hammels (13)
Jseth333 (Vampire Weekend) sends Francisco Lindor (17)

My keepers following his confirmation will be:

01 P. Goldschmidt
02 J. Votto
03 B. Posey
04 C. Gomez
05 N. Cruz
06 T. Rosenthal
09 K. Seager
12 J. Cueto
17 F. Lindor (trade with VW for C. Hamels)

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 14:37

Confirmed - Hamels substituted for Lindor in keepers above

C1-NRB
ID: 22242221
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 19:16

Keeping these 8:

McCutchen (1)
Chapman (4)
Tanaka (8)
LuCroy (10)
Ventura (17)
Bauer (19)
Franco (23)
LeMahieu (24)

WG
ID: 36217119
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 16:25

Still looking to move Polanco 18 if anyone is interested. Prefer to swap him for a positional player with a similar keeper price tag. Let me know if interested. Thanks.

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 19:17

response to WG #77 see if tomas works for polanco. eligble at lf, rf, and 3rd picked rd. 12

Bryant's Blue Eyes
ID: 22235148
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 09:35

Keepers
Miguel Cabrera (1)
Nolan Arenado (2)
Stephen Strasburg (3)
Chris Sale (4)
Jose Altuve (8)
Sonny Gray (10)
Carlos Correa (17)
Carlos Martinez (19)
Jorge Soler (23)

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 10:29

Sorry if I wasn't clear. My "sure" was a "yes".

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:14

Also. I know I'm late but my whole team is up for trade.

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 14:56

Dan, thanks for the offer but I think I'm going in another direction.

daleforthehall
ID: 451282212
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 15:08

trade announcement.
art trades Tyson Ross (17) and Matt Carpenter (7), 13th rd pick to
WG for Gregory Polanco (18) and 8th rd pick.

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 15:54

Updated Keepers:

Scherzer - 3
Cespedes - 6
Jansen - 5
Greinke - 7
Pollock - 10
Sano - 16
Miller - 17
Dozier - 18
JP Crawford 24

daleforthehall
ID: 451282212
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 16:35

updated keepers:
Cano (1)
Marte (4)
Rizzio (5)
Gardner (17)
Polanco (18)
dallas (21)
Eovaldi (22)
Stroman (24)

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 18:52

Trade Announcement:

VampireWeekend gives Betts (3) and Rendon(11)
Knights gives Scherzer(3) and Dozier(18)

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 19:13

Please dont forget to repost your keepers with the updated players in them.

Toral
ID: 211292511
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 20:30

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Thumquer sends
Ben Revere (12) and his 21st pick
to
Toral
for his 13th pick

Thumquer to confirm

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 21:19

Still looking to potentially add one more hitter keeper... Anyone have someone to trade? Let me know, thanks.

WG
ID: 36217119
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 22:21

1 - Giancarlo Stanton
5 - Jacob deGrom
6 - Gerrit Cole
7 - Matt Carpenter
11 - Salvador Perez
12 - Carlos Rodon
16 - Kris Bryant
17 - Tyson Ross
24 - Michael Brantley

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 22:25

88: trade confirmed

wiggs
ID: 491040722
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 22:53

I just want to bring something to the attention of the league and see what everyone thinks. I was offered a trade today. I accepted the trade. An hour later I get an email that says I cant do the trade anymore I accepted a different one instead. Does this seem like a legit thing? I believe once a trade has been offered and accepted the trade is official. Thoughts

Toral
ID: 211292511
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 22:59

Keepers 2.0:

Clayton Kershaw (1)
Jose Bautista (3)
Josh Donaldson (5)
Michael Wacha (6)
Eric Hosmer (9)
Francisco Rodriguez (10)
Ben Revere (12)
Matt Wieters (18)

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:06

If you are referring to our trade, I was working a deal with two different owners. Vampire got back to me 6mins exactly before you did (I have the emails). It's the only reason I accepted his. I apoligized about this. I'll leave it up to the league to decide.

Not trying to be a jerk. I was just working multiple deals before deadline. I was willing to overpay for a couple of different players so I was going all out.

P.S. He hasn't confirmed yet. So I assume he can back out himself.

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:07

Its always a tough one Wiggs. What you have to remember is when its over email its all discussion and you may not be the only one the other manager is involved in discussions with.

Until its posted and confirmed here its not official. I always view trade talks as if we are discussing things we can agree upon and I view the posting as the 'contract' or the deal.

I can appreciate that it sucks to lose a trade you think you have. But until its official, its just talks in my eyes.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:12

I don't understand how that is just talk. A trade was offered. I wrote deal. An hour later he says I got a better offer and I had to take it.

If he sent it before me why did it take an hour to tell me when we were literally writing to each other the whole time

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:18

I was at work. Using my phone to communicate. I work construction. I didn't get to either of you for a while.

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:30

khahan i sent you an email reply to your request for a trade---- the offer was Cain for Melancon and never heard back

VampireWeekend
ID: 142541019
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:34

Sorry - been out of communication - did not realize there was trade drama as I was not aware of a potential other deal. I do confirm the trade.

Updated keepers assuming the trade stands:

Trout (1)
Machado (2)
Scherzer (3)
Abreu (4)
Yelich (5)
Hamels (13)
Kluber (15)
Dozier (18)
Allen (21)

100

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 23:39

Updated Keepers:

Betts - 3
Cespedes - 6
Jansen - 5
Greinke - 7
Pollock - 10
Rendon - 11
Sano - 16
Miller - 17
JP Crawford 24

101

VampireWeekend
ID: 22161423
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 00:16

Re post 99

Scherzer (3)
Hamels (13)
Dozier (18)

Acquired via trade.

Rest have been noted in yahoo as keepers.

102

Khahan
ID: 34255168
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 07:56

I never got the email gurus an. Let's see if we can hammer something out today.

103

Toral
ID: 211292511
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 10:07

T R A D E____ A N N O U N C E M E N T

Knights Radiant
sends
Carlos Quintana (15) and his 22nd round pick
to
Toral
for
Toral's 16th-round pick

Knights Radiant to confirm

104

Khahan
ID: 37222158
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 10:36

*****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT*****

Khahan Sends Mark Melancon (round 5) to gurudan

Gurudan sends Lorenzo Cain (round 20) to Khahan

Wow, the activity in this league has skyrocketed. I think we had 3 trades total in years 1 and 2. Now in the past week we've had like 9 trades. I'm going to very busy tonight setting trades up. Please don't forget to mark your keepers in yahoo

I'm chipping away at adding the trades. If they are unbalanced (player for a draft pick for example) I'll need to drop a player to get the new guy on your roster.

105

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 10:46

Confirmed trade with Toral

106

Toral
ID: 211292511
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:05

Keepers 3.0:

Clayton Kershaw (1)
Jose Bautista (3)
Josh Donaldson (5)
Michael Wacha (6)
Eric Hosmer (9)
Francisco Rodriguez (10)
Ben Revere (12)
Carlos Quintana (15)
Matt Wieters (18)

107

Toral
ID: 211292511
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:06

Khahan: Do you want us to delete our superseded keeper posts?

108

daleforthehall
ID: 40281510
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:08

Added keeper
Jose peraza (20)

109

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:23

Trade Announcement:
Knights gives JP Crawford (24)
Thumqer gives J. Schoop (23)

Thumqer confirm.

110

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:35

Trade confirmed. Revised keeper list:

(2) Prince Fielder
(3) Chris Davis
(4) Charlie Blackmon
(6) J.D. Martinez
(13) Ken Giles
(15) Jon Lester
(17) Wade Davis
(22) Todd Frazier
(24) JP Crawford

111

Khahan
ID: 37222158
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:49

107: That's ok Toral. I start at the bottom with the most recent and work up.

112

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 11:52

Updated Keepers (Sorry for reposting so much):

Betts - 3
Cespedes - 6
Greinke - 7
Pollock - 10
Rendon - 11
Sano - 16
Miller - 17
Schoop - 23

113

daleforthehall
ID: 40281510
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 12:21

Added keeper
Jose peraza (20)

114

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 16:22

Keepers are set in yahoo except for results of the Lindor/Hamels trade.

I will be without access possibly through the deadline.

115

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 17:58

Trade compilation:

1. Knights gives JP Crawford (24)Thumqer gives J. Schoop (23)

2. Khahan Sends Mark Melancon (round 5) to gurudan Gurudan sends Lorenzo Cain (round 20) to Khahan

3. Knights Radiant sends Carlos Quintana (15) and his 22nd round pick to Toral. Toral sends Toral's 16th-round pick

4. Thumquer sends Ben Revere (12) and his 21st pick to Toral for his 13th pick

5. VampireWeekend gives Betts (3) and Rendon(11) Knights gives Scherzer(3) and Dozier(18)

6. art trades Tyson Ross (17) and Matt Carpenter (7), 13th rd pick to WG for Gregory Polanco (18) and 8th rd pick.

7. Bean sends Cole Hammels (13) Jseth333 (Vampire Weekend) sends Francisco Lindor (17)

8. Khahan trades his round 8 pick to C1 Stocking Feat C1 Stocking Feat sends Jake Odorizzi and his round 20 pick to Khahan

116

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 19:17

If you are looking for last minute trades before the keeper deadline, Edwin Encarnacion (2), Justin Upton (3) and Felix Hernandez (4) are all available. These are all guys who will help you the next few years (upton is young enough to help for years to come yet). Send me an offer that includes a bag of chips and you may just have a deal.

117

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 19:18

Keepers
Edwin Encarnacion, 1st Tor (2)
Justin Upton, LF Det (3)
Felix Hernandez SP Sea(4)
Kole Calhoun RF LAA (12)
Jake Odorizzi SP Tam (15)
Travis D'Arnaud C NYM(16)
Devon Travis 2nd Tor (18)
Lorenzo Cain CF KC (20)
Jason Hammel SP Chi (24)

118

mailedfoot
ID: 532131615
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 20:44

Keepers

Ryan Braun (1)
Evan Longoria (2)
Albert Pujols (4)
Jake Arrieta (5)
Carlos Carrasco (6)
Ben Zobrist (7)
Joc Pederson (8)
Francisco Liriano (16)
Russ Martin (20)

119

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 23:49

Keepers:
Betts - 3
Cespedes - 6
Pollock - 10
Rendon - 11
Sano - 16
Miller - 17
Schoop - 23

120

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 00:05

It is done. We are open at draftime. The clock will not start running until 8am thursday morning. Feel free to pick whenever you want Wiggs.

Also, please, everybody double check your keepers at draftime and keep up to date on the draft at yahoo. To check draft results:

1. go to our league home page
2. click 'draft' on the menu bar near the top
3. click 'draft results' on the new menu bar near the top

Or short cut and hover your mouse over 'draft' in the menu bar to get a drop down and choose results from there.

You can view all draft choices as they are entered. Please do this often to check for accuracy of entering picks.

121

VampireWeekend
ID: 142541019
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 00:18

Hamels should be 13 - Draftime has him at 10.

122

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 07:58

121 - I went to make the switch. Got Hamels out of the 10 slot and can't find a way to insert him into the 13 slot for you vamp. I've emailed Fred to see if there is a way for me to add a pick whenever. If not, we'll just have to be vigilant about Hamels.

Also, it marked your round 10 pick as a 'missed pick' Again, we'll have to be vigilant on this one to make sure you dont get screwed.

123

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 09:45

I think you forgot to re-assign Trout, Harper, Goldy and Kershaw to my team but otherwise it looks good :)

124

Daleforthehall
ID: 1123288
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 10:27

I believe some teams did not mark their keepers xxxxx and xxxxx are available to be drafted.

125

Khahan
ID: 21257169
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 10:57

Neither xxxxx nor xxxx were named to keeper lists.

126

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 23:36

just a check. with a trade to KHAHAN he should only have 1 round 20 pick. correct? or am i misunderstanding the rules. Draftime shows him with 1 pick rd. 19 and 2 picks rd.20. shouldn't the acquisition of a round 20 pick cause him to move a someone down to rd 19 or up to rd. 21? i'm confused

127

gurudan
ID: 3743521
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 23:37

128

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 00:22

127 - I have my normal round 20 pick. I also picked up c1's round 20 pick. So this year I have 2 picks in round 20. I also acquired Lorenzo Cain so I can keep him in R20 and I still have 1 pick left.

Next year when I have 2 players drafted in round 20 I cannot keep them both unless I get a second round 20 pick.

129

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 00:28

As for Cain himself, when I acquire him I CAN choose to change his round but I dont have to. I opted to leave him in round 20.

130

Toral
ID: 211292511
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 10:39

I believe Ben Revere should be listed as my round 12 keeper -- post
106.

131

Khahan
ID: 33261710
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 11:15

Got him added at Yahoo Toral.

Gurudan - 126: want to make sure you are clear on how things shook out with Lorenzo Cain. Remember there were 2 separate transactions that happened.

132

Toral
ID: 211292511
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:14

What is the overnight pause? I'd hate to see people time out overnight....

133

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:26

1am until 8am EST. 1am may be a bit late for us east coasters but thats only 10pm for west coasters.

and btw, damn you toral, wong was top of my queue. Let me know what you want for him.

134

Tree
ID: 211133217
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 20:24

hell, 1 am est is a bit late for us central time zoners too.

135

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 22:31

1am is late but u have time. Check at say 11. Put in a small queue if it gets to u and your queue is empty clock stops in 2 hours and u pick in the am.

Btw Wong was 1st in my queue too

136

Toral
ID: 211292511
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 03:43

Ironic becuz Conforto was #2 in my queue and I vacillated between them until the last minute....

137

mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 07:08

Doesn't appear to have been an overnight pause last night...

138

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 07:09

Quick question K. Why don't I have a 7th round pick? I have no keepers at that round. Did I miscalculate something here?

139

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 08:22

KR - It looks like that was Greinke's slot who was a last minute drop from your keeper list. I've emailed Fred to unlock that slot and any other slot that somebody had a keeper named in but then changed (either from trading the player or changing their keeper list).

140

VampireWeekend
ID: 22161423
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 08:27

My situation in round 11 as well. Shows a keeper with the no name - was Rendon

141

Tree
ID: 211133217
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 08:32

i am up, but i'm going to hold off on picking.

it appears that both Kaz (who has since picked) and Monk both got skipped because the clock did not turn off at overnight.

142

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 09:11

OK thanks K

143

Khahan
ID: 33213188
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 09:13

141 - check emails and thanks for being observant of that Tree. Artofmonk has until 12:40pm EST to make his pick then tree is free to go. I'll be surprised if he times out though. Tree, once I see he's picked I'll turn the clock back on and shoot you a heads up email.

140 - KKB confirmed there is a glitch in the site that locks keeper picks as keeper picks even if the keeper is deleted. I had a number of keepers entered and waiting to go and we had so many trades that keepers got flipped around, traded, moved, removed from lists etc. KKB is going to unlock each of those spots today.

144

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 14:25

Change to the league constitution
Only hitters with at least 50 career at bats and pitchers with at least 20 career IP may be declared as a keeper.

Rule goes into effect for our 2017 keeper declaration.

145

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 14:34

same day transaction vote:
yes - 9 votes: C1, gurudan, knight radiant, thumqer, mailedfoot, wg, wiggs, vampire weekend, toral

No - 3 votes: Khahan, tree, bean

2 did not vote. But even if they both vote for next day, same day still has it with 9/14 managers saying same day transactions.

146

Khahan
ID: 9220238
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 09:20

Nice run in round 18. My queue, in order:
Swanson (who I grabbed)
Nomar Mazara
Matt Moore
Andrew Heaney

Next 3 picks almost in that order, even.

147

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 11:14

All, I've somewhat purposefully stashed a lot of pitching depth. If you're looking for SP's I'm looking to trade for either hitters (middle infield perhaps) or 2017 picks. My SP's and their draft round below:

(5) Taijuan Walker
(8) Michael Pineda
(10) Drew Smyly
(11) Shelby Miller
(12) Julio Teheran
(13) Gio Gonxalez
(15) Jon Lester

Lots of upside pitchers.

The other two, Nola and Velasquez, aren't for trade. My email is on yahoo, I can't post here with it linked as it doesn't work.

148

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 18:19

Greg told me to pick laroche because Alex Reyes sp stl is not in the draftime data base. Reyes is my pick

149

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 20:20

confirmed wiggs. long as reyes is in yahoo, he's fair game.

150

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 16:58

that draft went by faster than i thought.

151

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 13:43

I should have Anthony DeSclafani in place of Daniel Descalso.

152

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 12:38

I made the change. Please note he was drafted in the unlikely event he turns into a keeper.

153

Khahan
ID: 23273112
Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 13:07

Vamp - could you also post this on the yahoo league site? that way when I'm going thru keeper lists next year there are multiple notices for me.

154

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 13:23

Done.

155

Knights Radiant
ID: 471551210
Fri, Apr 01, 2016, 07:18

I have Solarte. It should be D. Hernandez.

156

Khahan
ID: 20327111
Fri, Apr 01, 2016, 12:27

I will fix that this evening. Don't do anything with solarte or d Hernandez. Work has been kicking my butt the past 2 weeks. had a quick break here to check in but wont have time to fix until later.

157

Knights Radiant
ID: 500113111
Fri, Apr 01, 2016, 17:31

No problem. Thanks

158

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 16:34

grumble - Wish I had remembered *this* is the reason I truly hate same day transactions. Happened in another league but its still the same. Went to pick up a player. I can't, because the guy I want to drop has already started his game for the day so now I have to drop somebody else or wait and risk not getting the guy I want.

159

Thumqer
ID: 3614168
Wed, Apr 13, 2016, 19:29

158: it doesn't let you just add him/drop the other guy today but have it go thru tomorrow? I thought it would let you...

160

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Apr 16, 2016, 18:44

159: Nope.

161

Khahan
ID: 63412111
Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 12:41

Trade Announcement

This is all at yahoo but just to make tracking draft picks easier:

Khahan trades his R19 pick in 2017 to Toral
Toral trades Andrew Heaney and his lowest non-keeper pick in 2017 (currently round 24) to Khahan.

162

Toral
ID: 02142915
Thu, Apr 21, 2016, 17:58

Trade confirmed.

163

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, May 01, 2016, 09:16

Looking to trade. I have depth at CI and SP and I'm looking for MI help. Shoot me an offer or email if you're interested, I'll be looking around as well.

164

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 11:45

With Eugenio Suarez (round 13), Dansby Swanson (round 16) Devon Travis (round 17) and Ian Kinsler (round 6), I can't start them all. Looking to move one of these keeper quality players for a starting pitcher or another quality CI.

165

C1-NRB
ID: 187391911
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 12:39

Um, the trading deadline was last Sunday. Other than that...

166

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Fri, Aug 19, 2016, 14:11

Doh, that was supposed to be set to the latest possible. Thought it was another week away. oh well, there is the offseason to consider. :)

167

mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 22:25

Congratulations, VampireWeekend! Total domination...

168

Bean
ID: 41052279
Mon, Oct 03, 2016, 11:38

Grats VW

169

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Oct 03, 2016, 19:23

Congratulations to Vampire Weekend for a rather dominating win with a 21 point margin of victory!! Well played season.

Also well played and congratulations to Wazup Guy and Toral (WG and Niagra Meridians respectively) for taking home the silver and bronze trophies!

Its time for a period of dormancy as the baseball season ends but I'm looking forward to 2017. Just a reminder, rosters are now frozen. However they looked this morning is how rosters will stay until next year. Trading is now an option again.

As for keepers just a few quick reminders:
1. Players are eligible for keepers only if they have not been on the waiver wire or spent any time as a free agent since the last draft

2. Players must have at least 50AB or 20IP in their career to be keeper eligible (new rule that is in effect for the 2017 keeper deadline).

170

VampireWeekend
ID: 091249
Tue, Oct 04, 2016, 10:12

Thanks. Slow start and almost daily regrets about trading Mookie away but it all worked out in the end. Already deep into planning my repeat...

171

Thumqer
ID: 3614168
Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 09:34

Congrats VW! It was a fun season all, I look forward to next season. I'm willing to talk trade all offseason :)

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