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Baseball     ESPN 0 Subject: 2016 Political Baseball League Posted by: Bean - [41052279] Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 10:42 The Poli Baseball League Constitution Yahoo Baseball 7 keepers; No more than 3 prospect keepers Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period Trade Review - League Votes Supplemental draft picks may be traded Scoring Settings Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL Max IP - 1250 Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG) Pitchers Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP) Trade Deadline Closest Sunday to August 31st MLB Supplemental Draft Draft Utility - Draftime Player must be in the Yahoo database at the time he is picked in the supplemental draft. No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings Prospect Draft & Rules Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible You can retain up to 3 prospect eligible players from one season to next There are 5 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over. Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc. Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status. If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them. If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday. If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days of regular season end, they can only be kept as a regular keeper. Prospect rights may be traded. Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft. You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 3 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft Poli League Trophy Case 2001 Toral 2003 Baldwin 2004 Skanks 4 Bush 2005 Baldwin 2006 1625 K St Allstars 2007 Biliruben 2008 Biliruben 2009 Tree 2010 Biliruben 2011 nerveclinic 2012 Great One 2013 WG 2014 GO 2015 WG 3 Bean       ID: 41052279       Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 10:54 Prospect List: A. J. Puk Bobo Aaron Judge WG AJ Reed Perm Dude Albert Almora Tree Alec Hansen Graydog Alex Bregman Tree Alex Reyes Barilko Anderson Espinoza WG Andrew Benintendi Nerveclinic Austin Meadows PuNk42AE Blake Snell PuNk42AE Bradley Zimmer Barilko Brendan Rodgers Nerveclinic Brett Phillips Tree Byron Buxton Graydog Byung-Ho Park Graydog Clint Frazier Bobo Corey Seager Graydog Dan Norris PuNk42AE Dansby Swanson Meatwads David Dahl Perm Dude Devon Travis Meatwads Dylan Bundy Tree Francis Martes C1-NRB Franklin Barreto Barilko Gleyber Torres Meatwads Greg Bird Bean Hunter Harvey WG Jake Thompson PuNk42AE Jameson Taillon Bean Javier Baez WG Jesse Winker Perm Dude Joe Ross Boldwin Joey Gallo Bobo Jon Gray Bean Jorge Mateo Boldwin Jose Berrios Bobo Jose De Leon Biliruben Josh Bell Taxman JP Crawford C1-NRB Julio Urias Biliruben Ken Giles Boldwin Kenta Maeda Meatwads Lewis Brinson Taxman Lourdes Gurriel. Jr WG Lucas Giolito PuNk42AE Matt Olson Boldwin Michael Conforto Bean Nick Gordon Bean Nick Senzel Nerveclinic Nick Williams Taxman Nomar Mazara Biliruben Orlando Arcia Bobo Rafael Devers Meatwads Raisel Iglesias Boldwin Raul Mondesi Biliruben Robert Stephenson Nerveclinic Roberto Osuna Graydog Ryan McMahon Barilko Sean Newcomb C1-NRB Shohan Otani Barilko Steven Matz Tree Tim Anderson Biliruben Trea Turner C1-NRB Trevor Story C1-NRB Tyler Glasnow Taxman Victor Robles Perm Dude Yoan Moncada Perm Dude Yulieski Gurriel Taxman Yusniel Diaz Nerveclinic 4 Graydog       ID: 4511271214       Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 12:11 There is a large K beside Ozuna.... thanks for the quick drop - I guess before the season starts is the time for a blunder... Nerve - timezone issue I spend the last 4 years in Cairo, and found there are also some advantage to living out there. The main one was on a Cairo morning the league was still active as though it was the previous day. This allowed me to essentially be awake at the very end of Yahoo day, giving me the very last chance to make moves before a day ended. I found this a huge advantage. 5 barilko6       ID: 7258248       Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 13:11 Yeah those keeper tags are the best idea I've seen for marking prospects on Yahoo. Kudos. 6 Nerveclinic       ID: 451181520       Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 15:13 Graydog...definitely not denying there are advantages. Congrats on your Sanchez waiver pick up. Well played. 7 Tree       ID: 211133217       Wed, Mar 30, 2016, 21:55 There is a large K beside Ozuna.... thanks for the quick drop - I guess before the season starts is the time for a blunder... the K isn't always there for keepers - it depends on which route you go to pick someone up. most of the time, they're awesome. 8 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sat, Apr 02, 2016, 15:16 What is the secret to posting a message on Yahoo. I keep trying to note that Raisel Iglesias is my prospect keeper and it keeps denying me, saying "pick a valid topic". 9 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, Apr 03, 2016, 13:56 Not sure what the problem with your posting is, but I am more concerned with what you wanted to post. Is there some issue with Raisel Iglesias that we should be aware of? 10 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sun, Apr 03, 2016, 15:02 He has a very favorable matchup. It's early in the season. Some of us haven't got our habits of checking and double-checking for keeper status. He played a lot last year. He doesn't look like a prospect at first glance. And I don't want someone to jump the gun, forget to check and screw things up. The last thing I want is for Bean to have to force things back where they should be at the last second. And maybe even find out it's too late. 11 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sun, Apr 03, 2016, 17:55 I assume am not the only one whose stat-tracker isn't working yet. 12 barilko6       ID: 57324319       Sun, Apr 03, 2016, 20:25 Mine is working on the iphone app 13 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Mon, Apr 04, 2016, 19:48 Flash player is probably incompatible. 14 Meatwads       ID: 142562814       Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 10:09 I'm not sure if we need to post our prospect moves but I saw this up top... Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. So I'm calling up Kenta Maeda 15 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Apr 05, 2016, 10:20 Meatwads, you needn't announce them. Just make sure the guy is yours. If you drop him after he reaches threshold, you lose your exclusive rights to him. 16 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 16:16 But as long as he is below the threshold, you can move him back and forth as often as you like... 17 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 19:35 Great. It won't let me drop and pick up players. I just updated java-script...that didn't fix it. It won't let me Stattracker or see the daily standings either. 18 PuNk42AE       Donor       ID: 036635522       Wed, Apr 06, 2016, 19:58 Stop using the Excite engine, step up to something new 19 barilko6       ID: 3345510       Thu, Apr 07, 2016, 15:35 Boldwin are you using an old stratomatic interface to access your team? 20 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Thu, Apr 07, 2016, 19:24 I can't figure it out and I'm too busy doing make-up work now that I've just recovered from pneumonia to work on it non-stop until I crack it. Almost asked Bean to force a transaction yesterday but He's sacrificed enuff for us already. Just couldn't bring myself to do it. 21 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Thu, Apr 07, 2016, 19:27 My deadline to figure this out is @ two weeks when an unavoidable transaction comes up. 22 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Thu, Apr 07, 2016, 19:31 This is how Starlin Castro's career year begins. 23 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Fri, Apr 08, 2016, 01:34 Use a different browser. 24 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Fri, Apr 08, 2016, 03:36 Already tried that...one other browser anyway. Tried android cell phone that auto-updates drivers. Haven't tried my wife's computer yet. 25 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Fri, Apr 08, 2016, 03:37 Ran across commentary that Yahoo had decided to not be compatible with old java. Gonna try deleting all old javascript. 26 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 05:40 Altho I haven't tried a drop player/pick up player yet, my wife's computer seems to be handling Yahoo better [the front page at least] so I will be able to get the necessities done, I believe, while I work this problem out. 27 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 13:36 Jared Weaver - ninth most SB's allowed 2015 VS. Deshields today 89 28 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Sun, Apr 10, 2016, 20:27 Nothing like 4 HR's and 2 saves to lift your spirits. And getting to see it in Stattracker for the first time this year. 29 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Mon, Apr 11, 2016, 16:51 Just tell me if I am mistaken here...wanna be precise. I can snarf up someone's prospect keeper pitcher exactly the evening of the sixth day after they pass 125 IP's...as soon as Yahoo's calendar day flips to the seventh day. Right? Asking for a friend. 30 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 10:34 FROM THE RULES ABOVE: If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday. 31 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 14:53 Ok, I think I got the gray areas knocked out of my head on this finally. So it has nothing to do with Yahoo's system day and you actually get a full seven days plus the hours between the game played and midnight. I always had this free-floating anxiety you'd find out you really only had 6 days. 32 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Apr 12, 2016, 18:43 All in how you measure it, I think that's what Nerveclinic was getting at earlier. However, the way it is written leaves little room for interpretation, and for me, that's the most important thing. If your player went over in a game that STARTED yesterday (4/11), someone can claim him after Midnight on Monday morning (4/18) and start him that night I believe. Lets face it, nobody worth claiming is going to be available like this unless the owner is asleep at the wheel. But this silly rule is in because we like the "skill" factor associated with it. So, make sure you get a favorable time stamp on the transaction where you steal the player of the sleeping owner, or I will be forced to nullify it and put the guy on waivers. Oh, and be sure to explain to your friend how all of this works. 33 Boldwin       ID: 611422119       Wed, Apr 13, 2016, 19:16 *wink Just took a screen cap of my team leading the league on Stattracker. You never know if it'll happen again. The nailbiting thing with having a pitching heavy squad is your standing can evaporate in an instant. 34 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 At some positions, there are no usable full-time players on the FA wire. If a key person gets hurt, it's tempting to just throw in the towel for the season. I formally propose we get the useable players off the benches and back in the game. For 2017 we should cut the bench spots from 5 to 3. 35 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 At some positions, there are no usable full-time players on the FA wire. If a key person gets hurt, it's tempting to just throw in the towel for the season. I formally propose we get the useable players off the benches and back in the game. For 2017 we should cut the bench spots from 5 to 3. 36 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 09:12 Do I stutter? 37 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 11:59 I would disagree with cutting the bench further. especially the situation with closers as a 14 team league we need extra spots to grab potential closers. You need at least one Batting bench spot to try to get all the game uses per position. You need a couple SP on the bench. 3 seems really tight. 38 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Sun, May 01, 2016, 09:02 Not to pick on him, but right now Bean, just to pick one random team, has 5 2nd basemen and 2 catchers. drop 2 of those guys and it's still absurd. 39 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Sun, May 01, 2016, 09:28 Just looking at batters, there are 20 players collectively owned, that weren't in the top 750 of yahoo rankings. Only 1 or 2 could be considered to be having a break-out year (top 100 of current rankings). More damningly, we own more than 25 bats and another 25 or so pitchers who are owned in less than 25% of of yahoo leagues. 40 Graydog       ID: 4511271214       Sun, May 01, 2016, 11:54 I vote against a smaller bench. As a competitive 14 team league I would not expect to find full-time talent on the waiver wire. If a key person gets hurt then you should be assessing what areas are your strengths and looking to make a trade. 41 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, May 01, 2016, 14:32 <38> Make an offer 42 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, May 02, 2016, 13:26 <41> Well Played 43 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, May 02, 2016, 13:30 <38> Does this prove the benches are too large or that a manager in the league, for some strategic reason has an absurd number of 2B? Also I see Howie Kendrick on the waiver wire, granted off to a rough start coming off an injury, but a consensus top 14 2B before the season with a long track record to back it up...and damned if he is Dodger Blue to boot... 44 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, May 02, 2016, 13:33 <38> and to top it off, you failed to mention 2 qty of the 2B are also SS, One is also OF, one is also 3B and most of them weren't ranked in the top 15. What does Bean know that we don't? 45 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, May 02, 2016, 14:27 My studs, Jones, Blackmon, and Abreu are off to a terrible start; two of my sure fire closers (Perkins and Street) have injuries, and already my season is looking pretty bleak. So, I am already starting to look toward next year. Kiki Hernandez and Aledmys Diaz are off to great starts, but are mostly dice rolls for the future, and that's why I picked them up. Neither of them is a starting 2B for their team, they just have that eligibility, so they should not be sucking life out of the pool of 2Bs. In my mind, any argument for reducing rosters that points to a lack of players in the pool for its rationale, better be showing how not a single MLB starter at a certain position is available. If you want to argue instead, that not a single "good" player at a position being available is a problem, I don't support that view. As long as you aren't struggling to meet GP at a position, is there really a problem with the pool of available players, or is the problem simply that you made bad or unlucky choices? 46 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Tue, May 03, 2016, 09:19 It has nothing to do with my current roster per-se. I haven't had any key injuries. And nothing to do with yours. But we used to have league-average players available at most positions, and now we don't. In some, there are only platoons and utility guys available. And those league average guys are now playing pinochle on someone's bench. I find that it makes the game worse and less interesting. 47 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Tue, May 03, 2016, 18:48 You can see a steep drop-off in the number of moves made for the bottom half of the league, with some managers making just a handful of moves all year. Boring. 48 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, May 12, 2016, 18:31 Bili...You can see a steep drop-off in the number of moves made for the bottom half of the league, with some managers making just a handful of moves all year. Maybe thats why they are in the bottom half of the league? How about the managers in the top half of the league who consistently make the most moves even though they have the best keepers? Gotta be on this waiver wire like a Methy Monkey (just made that up) Just picked up the pitcher to replace Matz who has a buggy elbow maybe ...maybe nothing but then drop and jump on the next glimmer of hope...thats how we roll. 49 barilko6       ID: 54391220       Thu, May 12, 2016, 21:45 I've made the 3rd most moves in the league this year, but I've been hit hard by under performing guys like Upton, Gomez, Wong, Tulo, etc. I went with an all hitters strategy this year and held off on pitching until later in the draft. Would never have thought pitching was my strength. 50 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Thu, May 12, 2016, 22:39 I meant steep drop-off pre and post-roster explos.. expansion. Before, everybody had a chance if they just stayed active. After, lose a 2nd basemen for a month or two and you might as well throw in the towel for the season. See ya next year. Boring. 51 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Thu, May 19, 2016, 16:51 Has anyone been in touch with Baldy (David Helson). He hasn't been in Yahoo for a week and his roster is a mess. I tried calling the phone number I have .. but no luck. 52 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Sat, May 21, 2016, 09:32 Nope. Hope everything is all right. He has some health issues. 53 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Sat, May 21, 2016, 09:34 Maybe someone with the powers could at least get trout and castro off his bench and the broken guys off. 54 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sat, May 21, 2016, 10:48 <53> Done. If someone has a friend who might be interested in taking over his team, let us know. I can appoint a co-owner and restrict from drop/adds for a few more weeks as we continue to await response from Baldy. Seriously guys, if you ae going to be away for awhile let us know. Speaking of which, I am part owner of season tickets to the Cavaliers and am planning to go to the Finals. I am house sitting for a friend while staying in Cleveland and he has no internet, so I may be a little hard to reach while there. barilko has co-commish privileges if I am unavailable. 55 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Sat, May 21, 2016, 11:50 Thanks Bean. 56 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Sun, May 22, 2016, 23:36 Glad Billi jumped in on Baldwin conversation...it is obvious how much weight I carry with Bean .. just saying ... 57 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, May 23, 2016, 09:19 Sorry Taxman, did not mean to slight you. I did not have the time to research it when you posted. Bili had a specific suggestion, which I acted on. I don't monitor league activity regularly, rather I am interrupt driven in most of my actions. We've not been a league that gets too excited about inactivity since I joined. Perhaps that will change under the Barilko administration next season. 58 Meatwads       ID: 142562814       Tue, May 24, 2016, 05:34 I just noticed that bili has Devon Travis stashed on his DL. The only problem with this is that he is one of my prospects. Thanks for making him feel wanted but shouldn't he still be on the free agents? Also, I'm open to making some deals to add players if anyone is looking towards next season. I wasn't exactly planning to be in contention before the season, but at this point it is what it is. 59 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Tue, May 24, 2016, 08:04 Woops. Sorry. 50-50 on his rehab? I've been spending a lot of time and resources to get him healthy, to the detriment of the rest of my team. I'll have my CPA bill you. 60 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, May 25, 2016, 09:29 I'll say this about Baldwin, he's been in the league since it started and in all those years he never just goes missing. If he knew he would be off several weeks, he would have let us know although in all the years he has played he has never taken any extended time off that I can remember. My concern would be it's something serious... 61 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, May 25, 2016, 09:59 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I am afraid Baldwin, David Helson, has passed away. He added me as a friend on FB years ago and I never accepted. I did today to see if I can find anything. I found his sons FB page. He had a bad stroke around May 10th, last time he was on his team page was May 9th. Was in the hospital recovering, but not really doing that well. He died on May 23rd, I assume from complications from the stroke. RIP Baldy. 62 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Wed, May 25, 2016, 10:23 Aw jeez. RIP Baldy. 63 Seattle Zen       ID: 28435259       Wed, May 25, 2016, 10:35 Terrible news, really surprising. If I tried to calculate how many hours of my life I spent reading something he wrote on the Political board, it would be staggering. This year was the first presidential election not discussed on that board since 1996. I found myself wondering what he thought of Trump. Well, he's off to the Happy Conservative blogosphere in the sky. Give 'em hell, Baldy. 64 Bean       ID: 41052279       Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:06 His views were often so outlandish, I found myself wondering if he was snickering behind the screen to see our reactions. Baldy will be missed here at Rotoguru, hope is family is managing. 65 barilko6       ID: 124452510       Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:45 Terrible news. I never really new him much, but anytime someone passes, its a bad thing. Bean has asked me to head the search for a replacement, is there someone who could step up that Baldwin was close to, to run things out for this year and maybe the future? 66 Seattle Zen       ID: 301361318       Wed, May 25, 2016, 12:02 I am not interested in returning to this league permanently, but I would fill in for the rest of the year. Wouldn't Baldy love that, HA! 67 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, May 25, 2016, 13:50 Baldy is why you left Zen...that would be perfect. Well I would love to have Zen back personally. 68 Barilko6       ID: 24572512       Wed, May 25, 2016, 13:57 Alright. I'll wait until end of workday to see if there are any objections or other suggestions. It looks like SZ is a good fit though. 69 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, May 25, 2016, 14:06 One other point...He was in the league for many years Barilko, so the good thing is we wouldn't have to teach him the rules. Imagine bringing a newb in and trying to explain all the complicated rules that take a month of spring training to learn. 70 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Wed, May 25, 2016, 14:13 Zen Zen Zen. 73 barilko6       ID: 124452510       Wed, May 25, 2016, 17:11 Alright...so it looks like Zen is a great choice to lead Baldwin's team for the rest of the year. SZ...can you provide me with an email so that I can transfer the team? 74 Perm Dude       ID: 224212513       Wed, May 25, 2016, 17:26 75 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Wed, May 25, 2016, 17:58 Yeah, he once felt compelled to send me a sweet pic with him wearing aviators, a tie and some sort of Paddington jacket. Pretty awesome. Asked not to distribute because he didn't want sarge and tree having fun with it.... 76 Seattle Zen       ID: 301361318       Wed, May 25, 2016, 18:05 Giddy up. 77 barilko6       ID: 124452510       Wed, May 25, 2016, 18:42 Invite sent. 78 Tree       ID: 444512518       Wed, May 25, 2016, 20:02 RIP Baldy. i left a slightly deeper message on the political page. Welcome back Zen. this is a storyline straight out of the pro wrestling handbook, circa 1986. 30 years ago, Magnum TA's career ended due to an awful car wreck. He had recently wrapped up a legendary blood feud with "The Russian Nightmare" Nikita Koloff when he had his accident. Magnum's biggest ally had been "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes, and similarly, he too had feuded with Koloff. And when Rhodes needed an ally because Magnum's career was done, Koloff came to his aid against the dreaded Four Horsemen, led by Ric Flair. "The American Dream" and "The Russian Nightmare" battled together, instead of against each other. and just like that, Zen takes over for Baldwin. (interestingly, real life politics played a role in turning Koloff into a good guy. Mikhail Gorbachev was very popular, and his glasnost and perestroika were common terms in the US. Rhodes (also the booker at the time), saw an opportunity, felt that era of the big bad Russian heel was coming to an end, and gave it a go, turning Koloff face. and it paid off.) RIP Baldwin. 79 C1-NRB       ID: 44212013       Thu, May 26, 2016, 00:07 Baldwin was one of the great gurupie posters. When I think about his posts I'm reminded of this scene in Howard Stern's "Private Parts." From imdb.com: Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes. Pig Vomit: How can that be? Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next." Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern? Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day. Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen? Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next." I imagine more than one of us always clicked on a discussion when Baldwin's post was the most recent because, "I want to see what he's posted now." Welcome back, SZ. I wish it was under better circumstances. Excellent choice in team name. 80 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Thu, May 26, 2016, 00:24 Sad turn of events .. but then none of us a getting younger RIP Baldy .. you are missed Welcome back SZ .. an excellent manager under any circumstance ... and maybe we can sweet talk him back on a long term basis 81 Nerveclinic       ID: 451181520       Thu, May 26, 2016, 00:58 No pressure SZ but prior to his sickness in early May, Baldwin had been in 1st or close for a lot of the start of the season...win one for the gipper. 82 Perm Dude       ID: 224212513       Thu, May 26, 2016, 14:55 How long ago did we start this league? 83 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, May 26, 2016, 15:24 Check the previous seasons on the league page. I was able to trace it back to 2003 there was no 2002 league I could find, but I found a 2001 league. Maybe the league switched sites or possibly there was a one year break. 84 Perm Dude       ID: 224212513       Thu, May 26, 2016, 20:37 No break, but the threads might have been sent to the archive. 85 biliruben       ID: 382202520       Fri, May 27, 2016, 00:54 I think there was a non-keeper in 2001-2002 that wasn't a part of, then we started the keeper in 2003. I think. 86 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, May 27, 2016, 15:52 I started the Football and Baseball league in 2001. Bili might be right about the keeper aspect. I really can't remember. 87 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, May 27, 2016, 15:59 8 teams to start in 2001 Deepsnapper Tree Zen Perm Baldwin Pop’s Pansies (Not sure who that was, no name listed) Nerveclinic (Who was commish) and Richer then Ghandi also no name Who are the two unidentified? 88 Bean       ID: 41052279       Fri, May 27, 2016, 16:18 Take a look at the first tab in the rosters file I posted at Yahoo Group site. I reconciled each team with their finish over the years. There's a few missing connections 2001-2003. 89 Tree       ID: 444512518       Fri, May 27, 2016, 17:08 for accuracy sake, i wasn't part of the 2001 league. my first season was 2004, playing as the Liberal Bionic Elbow (ode to Dusty Rhodes). i took over for, i believe, the Potomac Mustangs. 90 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, May 28, 2016, 08:25 OK Tree it was someone else with the name Josh then... 91 Bobo       ID: 13413296       Sun, May 29, 2016, 07:13 RIP Baldwin. Very sad indeed. I don't go back incredibly deep with my league involvement, but SZ filling is sounds very appropriate. 92 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, Jun 11, 2016, 15:04 Is anyone looking for SP? Hit me up 93 Barilko6       ID: 595551912       Sun, Jun 19, 2016, 13:56 I've got a couple trade offers sent today that suggest maybe I should be looking at next year. I'm away today but will look at both tomorrow morning and respond. I am usually very quick on replies and discussion during the week but often am not as available on weekends I'm looking for picks and young keepers if I am going to do a rebuild. 94 taxman       ID: 525532015       Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 11:21 what am I missing in trade between billi and Team Canada give Benoit and 7th end pick get Jansen and 2nd round pick what is in this trade for Barilko?? trade balance way out of whack .. are there prospects included we can'y see??? 95 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 13:30 Concur, even if it the picks were reversed the deal would suck for Barilko (but perhaps not all would agree). Jansen is a keeper on any team. Thanks for pointing this out Taxman, we need to know if the picks were just mistakenly reversed, all should veto this if you agree with Taxman and I. If they want to submit the trade again if it was just a pick mix up, they can. 96 taxman       ID: 525532015       Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 04:32 Barilko6 .. billi??? You certainly aren't required to do so .. but I would feel a lot better if either of you would explain Jansen trade .. especially since Barilk is set to take over commish job lopsided trades always reek of ethical problems or lack of knowledge .. I don't see the latter as applicable 97 barilko6       ID: 305322210       Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 11:32 Sorry...picks were messed up. I get Bili's 2nd rounder in the deal. My team can't contend this year, so I am looking to add picks/prospects. (As noted in a post above) 98 taxman       ID: 525532015       Wed, Jun 22, 2016, 16:05 revised is not a problem .. thanks for responding .. I may be joining your rebuild 99 Barilko6       ID: 595551912       Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 16:34 That being said...if your roster needs some bolstering, I'm the man to help you out. Looking for picks and prospects. Won't be trading anyone I consider to be my set of keepers for next year. 100 Meatwads       ID: 142562814       Fri, Jul 01, 2016, 19:59 TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT Meatwads receive : Jose Bautista, OF, TOR Mark Melancon, RP, PIT 2017 11th round pick Tax Rules receive : Jason Heyward, OF, CHC Carlos Estevez, RP, COL 2017 2nd round pick I'm not sure if we post trades in this league but here it is. I'm still in the market for some stable closers and homerun hitters. I'll get back to everyone that I haven't responded to yet. I appreciate multiple managers reaching out when I posted about a trade. 101 nerveclinic       ID: 8832812       Sat, Jul 02, 2016, 13:25 If anyone wants to make me a lopsided trade, in my favor, for my second round draft pick next year like the one above, just let me know, I am all ears. Use the email posted here… 102 nerveclinic       ID: 8832812       Sun, Jul 03, 2016, 05:03 By the way that was in no way a criticism of the trade. It was a well played trade. Just acknowledging I am ready to make some deals to keep my momentum i.e. giving up a high craft pick if I could pull off that good a deal. Done in my typical sarcastic manner. 103 Graydog       ID: 4511271214       Sat, Jul 09, 2016, 14:36 Sent a few offers for Chapman for a 1st rounder in return. Also have Cishek and Ozuna for those chasing saves. I additionally want to move Nelson Cruz to help rebuild. When offering draft picks should I consider the first 7 rounds as keeper round and therefore untradable? ei the 8th round is actually round one of the draft?? 104 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sat, Jul 09, 2016, 15:21 Most of us are in several leagues so we never remember how to do it correctly. In every case its best to discuss the pick trades here or in the Yahoo league msg forum. To be clear, your recent trade is Chapman and your last pick for Snell and Vampirez' 1st pick, correct? 105 PuNk42AE       ID: 2868920       Sat, Jul 09, 2016, 21:08 I was not aware this was going to be my 1st round pick 106 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 09:52 Graydog We ignore the keepers so what ever round you name its the actual round in the draft. So you would not say 8th round pick, you would say first round second round etc. That's the way we always done it. It's not your 8th round pick because keepers don't count as "picks in the draft". If you offered me a player for my 8th round pick, it would never occur to me you actually meant my first round pick. 107 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 11:44 <105> I am sure none of us would think that an 8th round pick is worth Chapman. So, if we are to interpret this an 8th for Chapman it would be vetoed. If it were 1st for Chapman, you might have a few raised eyebrows, but probably not a veto. That said, since Punk has said he does not want 1st for Chapman, I'll reverse the trade if it goes through. Meanwhile if you all could vote against it, it will go more smoothly. For the future, if you are trying to make a trade involving picks, post it here with a confirmation post from the trade partner. Call the draft picks 1st through 15th and be sure to specify which year. If it is a prospect pick make that clear as well. 108 Graydog       ID: 4511271214       Sun, Jul 10, 2016, 12:43 sorry guys. my other keeper league does it the other way around. Punk I included a note stating the 8th rounder was actually a first rounder in my other offers - looks like I forgot this note in my offer to you. 109 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Mon, Jul 11, 2016, 10:31 btw post 100: affirmed 110 PuNk42AE       ID: 2868920       Fri, Jul 15, 2016, 08:58 Looks like it still has to be reversed 111 Bean       ID: 41052279       Fri, Jul 15, 2016, 11:02 <110> Fixed 112 Bean       ID: 41052279       Fri, Jul 15, 2016, 11:17 Summary of pick trades so far(let me know if I missed one): <94> biliruben sends 2017 2nd round pick barilko sends 2017 7th round pick <100> Meatwads sends 2017 2nd round pick taxman sends 2017 11th round pick 113 Seattle Zen       ID: 586311612       Sat, Jul 16, 2016, 13:32 I know I initiated these trade talks, but real life has laid her heavy hands on me, so it will be a day or two before I can get back. 114 WG       ID: 35338278       Sun, Jul 17, 2016, 12:35 I added Jon Gray... I believe his prospect status has lapsed? 115 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, Jul 17, 2016, 16:53 I did not plan to keep him, he hasn't been doing great, though he is pitching a shut out today. Didn't want to waste a roster spot just in case he improves. That said, this continues to be my least favorite rule in this league. It has nothing to do with skill when someone benefits from an inattentive owner. Wish there were some way to eliminate the closer races as well. But that's a mess in every league. 116 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 10:37 My prospect, Jameson Tailon had recently been on the DL, but is coming back, and so I went to assess whether I should pick him up now. To my surprise, I discovered that Taxman had picked him up after his 2nd start, back on 14 JUN while I was in Cleveland for the NBA finals with internet only at the library every few days. I corrected the issue by removing him from Taxman's roster. Guys, I spent a lot of time to put the "K" next to players so that you would look twice before taking them. The "K" is readily apparent. If you've got a "K" on one of your rostered players, make sure you actually have rights to the guy. If you are going to pick a guy up as a FA that has the "K" next to his name, make sure you are authorized to do so. You can find a list of protected prospects under Commish Updates Notes or one of the first posts in this thread. You can find the rules at the top of this thread. Do I really have to say anything more? 117 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 10:45 I just picked up Conforto who had a (K) next to him because he is Bean's keeper but he has 390 AB so he went over the limit a long time ago... Been a slug all year so I am guessing it's no great loss. 118 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Jul 18, 2016, 23:14 He's all yours 119 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Mon, Jul 25, 2016, 17:31 Bean # 116 wish you had caught it earlier .. stats not all that helpful no one intentionally picks up another's prospect Keeper .. unintentionally..consistently. .. I have Tyler Glassnow another PIT prospect SP and I evidently suffered a bombastic brain fart in thinking my PIT SP prospect was instead Tallion .. so the "K" designation only works if managers know who their own keepers are ..yes, I am embarrassed, but also provide evidence that no plan (even yours) is "fool" proof While on my roster .. adjust final stats as you wish Jameson Taillon Pit - SP  3 starts 14.0 Innings pitched 1 Wins 0 saves 13 k's 5.79 era 1.71 whip 120 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Jul 26, 2016, 00:06 <120> Yeah starting him was to your disadvantage no doubt. If he had done better and you were in contention, I may have done more than just ignore it. Not the first or the last time this will happen. The third claim on my prospects in a short time is why I am sensitive about the whole thing. Never cared for the prospect mid-season claim rule. These guys are MY prospects yet others are using them. 121 Seattle Zen       ID: 301361318       Thu, Jul 28, 2016, 13:59 Gentlemen - It has been a nice trip back down memory playing in this league again. Looking at the squad Baldwin left, I see why he started well, Jordan Zimmerman was lights out at the beginning of the season, W Castillo, Daniel Murphy, and others, too. But I didn't see a strong seven keepers nor much of a chance to compete this season, so it seemed pretty obvious to me that Trout should be turned into multiple assets. I think Sterling Marte is very underrated and Jose Fernandez is a great long term keeper, both top 20. I did receive a very tempting offer from Bili's squad, either one would have made this team better. One portion of the trade that was not broadcast was I received Albert Almora, Tree's prospect, as well. The mother of my first child, Aurora, my first wife, Cathey, passed away last week from early onset Alzheimer's disease. She was only 46. This was not a surprise, she first showed symptoms over eight years ago, diagnosed at long last five years ago, but it did hit my daughter pretty hard. I went to be with Aurora and appreciate the patience y'all had with me after getting the trade machine going in full swing. The thing I like most about this league is the chatter, there are more posts every year in this league than all of the RIBC combined. But I want to reiterate that I am just a place holder, that I will bow out at the end of the season and hope that you find a quality owner to take over this team and rename it. I hope that he or she, y'all really ought to get a woman for once, finds that they got a better team than the one Baldwin started with in April. Seattle Zen. 122 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Jul 31, 2016, 05:38 Just noticed that league settings were changed on June 28th to new player added as soon as Yahoo adds him (W/O Waivers). Instead of what it has always been, new player goes to waivers once added. I am curious why this happened and why it wasn't discussed as a league since it's a rule change. I'm not trying to set off a flame war like the pre season but we have always voted on league rule changes and this obviously creates a disadvantage for teams that have saved waiver positions. 123 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, Jul 31, 2016, 11:50 123 Honestly I do not know how or why this was changed. It says I changed it, but I don't even see how to change it under league settings. A change is not possible now. Maybe Barilko can figure it out. As to the effect of that setting change, are you sure it has that affect? This is what Yahoo says: During the season, many new players get added to the fantasy player pool. Mostly, these are minor leaguers who appear after they are officially placed on a Major League roster. Occasionally, Yahoo adds minor leaguers to the game before they are officially called up because their Major League debut is widely reported to be imminent. If you prefer all new players to be added to the game the same way, choose "Wait until called up to Majors." If you prefer players to be added to the game immediately, choose "As soon as Yahoo adds them." That sounds like we have the correct setting now. Doesn't talk to waiver wire at all. 124 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 01:39 Bean I think you are right. Hard to tell from that write up I agree but looks like it may have nothing to do with waivers. I thought it meant add immediately without going through waivers but I don't think it really says that anywhere so should be ok. 125 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Aug 01, 2016, 10:13 <121> "One portion of the trade that was not broadcast was I received Albert Almora, Tree's prospect, as well." Can I get an Amen from Tree please? 126 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Aug 04, 2016, 06:42 Zen thanks for your honorable service. Sorry to hear you will be leaving us. 127 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Aug 04, 2016, 07:42 "The third claim on my prospects in a short time is why I am sensitive about the whole thing. Never cared for the prospect mid-season claim rule. These guys are MY prospects yet others are using them." The thing to remember is when we turned this into a keeper league, we didn't really know what exactly we were doing. We literally made all these rules up. There weren't so many keeper leagues at the time and the ones that existed were complicated so we just made up our own. A couple of years ago I wanted to blow the whole thing up and make it more like a contract based league but literally everyone shot it down and to be fair I wouldn't have the clerical skills to keep up with it. I certainly think it could be a good idea to change the prospect rules so that when a batter goes over 300 AB and a Pitcher goes over 125 IP you can keep them the rest of that year but at the end of the year you have to make a keeper or drop. Then people don't lose players when they get distracted. There's no reason why we can't start a vote of that Bean. Simple majority gets the rule changed. The past few years we've had a hard time getting people to vote. I think it should be simple majority of all those who bother to vote in a 2 week time frame. 128 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, Aug 04, 2016, 10:50 Headed to Sturgis motorcycle rally tomorrow, be back on Monday night. No internet while there. If you want to put it to a vote, I'll second it. Do you have the clerical skills to track the votes Nerve? Obviously, you know how I feel about it. 129 Barilko6       ID: 36748420       Thu, Aug 04, 2016, 21:48 I like Nerve's suggestion of the prospect not being available mid season too. When he passes the at bats and innings pitched, he remains under a teams control until the offseason. Would solve a lot of issues. 130 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 15:36 I'll start a separate thread for the vote. So far we have 3 in favor. This would not take place until the 2017 period. Please go to the separate thread and vote. 131 Tree       ID: 2073469       Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 10:34 One portion of the trade that was not broadcast was I received Albert Almora, Tree's prospect, as well. Confirming this. 132 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 12:44 By the way Yulieski Gurriel owned by Taxman as a prospect does not have a K next to his named, probably because he was recently added to Yahoo. Can it be added now? 133 Bean       ID: 27592412       Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 13:59 <132> sorry just noticed I never answered this. the answer is no. 134 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sat, Aug 27, 2016, 12:10 Recently one member let me know of Graydog's inactivity with his team, that's why I asked you all if you could help me contact him. He did get back to me, and said he has been very busy. He's not the first, nor will he be the last that has ignored his team. Stuff happens in our lives and its hard to stay motivated when you aren't in a pennant race. No judgement. Though its not explicitly prohibited in the rules, I think most would agree that having "draft and disappear" owners is not the kind of league we want to run on Rotoguru. I also think most of us can accept it when a team, that is out of contention, starts looking toward next year. That said, I don't think ignoring your team should be rewarded from the tanking effect it creates either. If you are going to tank, we don't need to make it that easy for you. That's why I would like to put forward a requirement for minimum IP and minimum GP for all teams. I suggested a mechanism last year in the G20 League, and it was adopted this year. It will be used again next year. We can use different thresholds than are used in G20, but here is a quote from the G20 rules describing it: Minimums for GP and IP: A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc. A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc. GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team. If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored. For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft: If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.) For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.) If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc. Do we want to pursue this? 135 Tree       ID: 2073469       Sat, Aug 27, 2016, 13:24 No. 136 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 17:32 Hell No 137 C1-NRB       ID: 457122917       Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 18:12 Can't say I'd be a fan of that, so No. 138 Tree       ID: 77532019       Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 21:06 it's dumb in G20, and dumb here. just a terrible terrible rule that i cannot believe anyone supports in any league. 139 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 06:56 Bean I like where you are going. It seems the punishment is a bit complicated though. I'd like to understand the context of the 1375 GP. It's very hard in this league, even with a manager who is active every day of the season (hand raised) to use up all hitting slots. The minimum IP makes sense, but the punishment seems complicated. I do wish we would raise the IP above the existing 1250. It's the lowest of any league I am in. Most leagues are at least 1400. 1250 rewards less active managers. 1400 encourages more streaming which makes the league more active. I was 100 IP over the limit almost 3/4ths of the years. I hope that doesn't bite me at the finish. 140 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 12:45 Well, short of setting minimum IP and minimum GP, what exactly obligates a person to even pay any attention to his team following the draft? The current lack of specific rules with specific punishment actually encourages lack of participation. An owner can just not field a lineup and finish in last, thereby giving him first draft pick the following year. Am I trying to fix something that isn't broke? 141 Bean       ID: 41052279       Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 13:02 <139> We don't have a lottery here in the Poli league, so it makes it a bit less complicated. Just as a suggestion, we could use minimums of 1520 ABs (152 times 10 positions) and 1175 IP (with a 1250 max). Using the G20 wording, the rule becomes: A team must accumulate a minimum of 1520 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc. A team must accumulate a minimum of 1175 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc. GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team. A team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (14th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 9th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 10-13th will each move down one place.) 142 Tree       ID: 77532019       Tue, Aug 30, 2016, 20:37 what exactly obligates a person to even pay any attention to his team following the draft? trying to win. fuck. Bean, if you want a fantasy league where GP and IP are on par with the other categories, create one. this is so dumb. 143 Bean       ID: 41052279       Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 10:54 Tree, do you not care if teams tank by just ignoring their team? Do you think not even playing the game after the draft is OK? Is that your position on this or do you just not like minimum IP/GP? 144 Tree       ID: 77532019       Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 11:37 i am not sure what your second and third question have to do with each other. i loathe people who don't finish out the season, but it happens so rarely, it's not worth legislating with a rule that can f@ck a good player that is active. 145 Bean       ID: 41052279       Wed, Aug 31, 2016, 22:14 OK tree, taxman and C1, I'm pretty sure we all agree that ignoring your team out of disinterest, is bad. I think we agree ignoring your team as a tanking strategy is bad. Am I wrong? If we agree to the above, and I am not sure we do, then there are just two things I need help with. Do you agree there is a problem or do you think there is no problem. I know Tree thinks there is no problem. I'm pretty sure both Nerveclinic and I think there is. I know Taxman and C1-NRB don't want the minimum GP/IP rule outlined above and that is all I know. If I don't hear from anyone else, I'll just shut up about the whole thing, hand the league over to Barilko next year and focus on my public league where everyone lower than fourth in the standings left long time ago. Didn't really want to deal with it this year anyway, it can be his problem. 146 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 14:56 Bean, thank you for your time serving as commish for this league. The following expands on my "Hell No" in post 136 above. Barilko is great at negotiating problems .. that plan works for me. Graydog, is the sole manager to not have checked on his team in the past 48 hours as I write this. Graydog also said life has interrupted his fantasy participation. Might say the same (or lack of it) for Baldwin, RIP. That happens. Every manager has made roster moves this year .. some more than others. Save Graydog, I don't see anyone "ignoring their team out of disinterest"!! I am not in favor of legislating how any manager chooses to operate his team. The stigma of picking up another manager's player off waivers has a chilling effect on encouraging managers to run a waiver wire campaign. Example .. me and you!! I made an unintentional error by on picking up a different KEEPER pitcher than mine in same organization (PIT). I din't think for a minute that Pit had 2 SP prospects @ KEEPER level. Embarasement real .. result .. I stopped playing waiver wire bingo. One manager (nerve) openly derided my trade of a solid closer for a 2nd round pick and an exchange of OF's (Bautista, who I had been unsuccessfully trying to offload since we picked keepers for Heyward, gambling he is having an off year). Again different styles of management and differing opinions of player value, which in a keeper league transcends current year value. Does that establish my guilt as "ignoring my team out of disinterest". Your proposal to legislate my managerial style and decisions or someone-elses's is reprehensible to me (and probably Tree, although he can /often does speak for himself) and if successful, then I envy Baldwin, who didn't live to see the destruct of Poli-Baseball as I (and IMHO others) would choose leaving this league rather than be subjected to draconian rules on our recreational past time. At least Poli-football has died due to a lack of interest .. and not by over legislation .. and who's to say it won't reappear in the future. 147 Tree       ID: 77532019       Thu, Sep 01, 2016, 20:50 One manager (nerve) openly derided my trade of a solid closer for a 2nd round pick and an exchange of OF's don't take it personally. Nerve whines about every trade that could hurt him. he did the same to me to such a point that it honestly turned this league from one of the ones i enjoyed the most, to one of the ones i enjoy the least. Graydog, is the sole manager to not have checked on his team in the past 48 hours as I write this. this is enough right here to show that no one in this league is ignoring their team. 148 Bean       ID: 41052279       Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 13:46 <147>Graydog, is the sole manager to not have checked on his team in the past 48 hours as I write this. this is enough right here to show that no one in this league is ignoring their team. Well, I think this is enough right here to show that Graydog is ignoring his team. If you guys want to not care, I am ok with that. We've had guys not give a shit before, and have not punished them. Nothing new here. Like I said, Barilko will have to deal with it. Clearly only a few managers care enough to even comment. 149 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 18:29 48 Hours? as of a few days ago Graydog had not been to his team or made lineup changes since July 9th. Why do we need complicated rules, just give his spot to a manager who is interested in playing out the season next year. Bean why do you think because some people don't like the fairly complicated set of punishment you proposed as meaning "they don't care"? Tree If this league is "one of the ones i enjoy the least"....why do you stay? Has anything happened this year to make you continue to feel wounded? Tax "One manager (nerve) openly derided my trade " I don't even remember this (although I don't doubt it), but what is wrong in a feisty league, based on a vitriol political forum, mocking each others trades? 150 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 18:36 Bean 145 Yes I agree I think it is a problem if a manager does nothing to his team for 2 months. I just think you offered an initial, fairly complicated solution, and it's always been a fairly straight forward league. Then when others reacted negatively, you took that to mean they don't care about inactive managers. My alternative solution is this. If someone doesn't touch their league for 1 month? 2 months? pick a number. They are out the next year. That is a fairly uncomplicated solution. I agree with those who said it's not a wide spread problem. 151 Bean       ID: 41052279       Fri, Sep 02, 2016, 22:36 <149> My comment about lack of caring was not that people were against the rule, its that only a few managers have even commented, including Barilko. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that, 14 managers and just 5 have spoken. I am just at a loss on how to back out of this without another jab from someone. IT'S BARILKO's PROBLEM or NON-PROBLEM. I DONT CARE. 152 Tree       ID: 2073469       Sun, Sep 04, 2016, 14:00 Tree If this league is "one of the ones i enjoy the least"....why do you stay? Loyalty... But I'm about over that. Has anything happened this year to make you continue to feel wounded Off the top of my head, I can't recall. But your extremely combative stance against any trades that negatively affect you definitely contributed over the years, going all the way back to your whinefest over a perfectly reasonable and logical trade in a keeper league the year I won this league. I used to think that maybe you didn't understand why a last place team with no need for closers would swap them for a first round draft pick, but over the years I've come to realize that your complaining was simply a long con strategy to make people less interested in trading, just to avoid your complaints. 153 biliruben       ID: 32755266       Mon, Sep 05, 2016, 08:04 I don't check in bc the poli board was killed. No reason. Also I haven't had broadband in 2 weeks and counting. Funk comcast. I hate the incentive to tank this time of year. How about a positive incentive like first pick goes to 8th? Or whatever place I'm in...😆 154 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, Sep 05, 2016, 08:09 OK so if I understand you correctly Tree, nothing has happened this year to upset you? So you are going back several years and you are still feeling hurt because I complained about a trade, or two? So now to read your post, it's all my fault, and everyone else said nothing? (We both know that is wrong) And it's because I am a con man? I've been in a keeper league with Bean for 3 years now. There must have been at least 20 trades this year alone, many trades the two years before that also. I've never once complained about a trade. So I guess I play the long con in this league only? And I haven't "played it" in a few years because no one has complained about trading in this league the last two years, I just went through the whole 2015 thread. I don't think I was the only one who complained about some of your trades either but if you want to single me out that's fine. And the only thing anyone ever did was complain, no one even whispered the word veto. So I am not sure what all the violin playing is for but if it comforts you go for it. 155 Barilko6       ID: 48850616       Tue, Sep 06, 2016, 17:51 Haha. Wow. Go on vacation for 2 weeks (but still manage and add/delete to your roster) and come back to a full blown discussion! It's great to see some passion for the league. I also hate when grown men abandon their team part way through the season. It's the sole reason I quit Gurukeepers a couple years ago. I called out a couple guys who had ignored their team and was promptly told by others that life sometimes happens and teams aren't the priority. This is crap. It honestly takes about 5 minutes in the morning to set your roster and then more if you want to do some research or whatever. To me there is no defense to abandoning a team just because you're not contending. That being said, it does appear there's only 1 offender here. Maybe we look at for a replacement for next year? I do support a 1400 inning cap. A typical major league team will play about 1500 innings in a year, so if we have 162 game caps at the offensive positions, why not bump the pitching as well. Just my initial thoughts. Too much to unpack and sort out for further comment at this time! 156 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Wed, Sep 07, 2016, 01:34 I like the bump in innings pitched to 1400 idea best time to look for a replacements might be now (SZ has clearly stated he will not be returning) 157 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 09:45 +1 to Bailko's and Taxman's posts. 158 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 10:38 <156> Barilko, Seems like there is much support for increase in IP. You wanna run with this? Set to a vote? 159 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 10:38 <156> Barilko, Seems like there is much support for increase in IP. You wanna run with this? Set to a vote? 160 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 10:41 I think it should go to vote yes. What about the last vote, it seems that went through and are we in agreement exactly what it means? 161 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 10:43 Why does it feel like for the last two months I've been driving in the fast lane with WG and Meatwad right on my bumper? IP almost even with WG now. 162 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 10:48 <160> This from the other thread. Lacking comments, I assumed this was a fait accompli. So, this is what the rules say now: Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status. If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them. If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday. If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days of regular season end, they can only be kept as a regular keeper. This is what I propose the rules will say, effective the end of this season: Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. In the off-season, prior to keeper declaration, prospects still below threshold may remain on the prospect list, be dropped, or be called up to the MLB roster as an MLB keeper. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status. I believe this reflects the above discussion. Thoughts? Am I wrong to assume we are done with it? 163 Barilko       ID: 50825818       Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 19:25 Looks like the prospect rule passes. We can update in the offseason. Does anyone have any further pros or cons on increasing pitching limits to 1400 innings? If not we can go to vote. 164 Barilko       ID: 50825818       Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 09:00 Vote: 1. Leave pitcher inning as is 2. Increase maximum pitcher innings to 1400 Leave your vote here. Anyone who doesn't vote here within a reasonable time frame will be forced to keep someone with the equivalent talent level of David Freese as a keeper. And get spam emails from me. Lots of them. 165 C1-NRB       ID: 44212013       Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 10:50 ...forced to keep someone with the equivalent talent level of David Freese as a keeper Then I abstain or will only vote as a tie-breaker. 166 Bean       ID: 41052279       Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 11:20 <164> I vote #2 167 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 11:47 #2 168 Meatwads       ID: 142562814       Sun, Sep 11, 2016, 22:04 I vote 2 169 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 08:20 Bariklo/Bean Can we clarify exactly what passed within the prospect rule. If you go back to the thread there was a question from WG about if you could move a player between your active team and prospect bench once they reach 300 the same as you can now under 300. (125 IP for pitcher) My point was if you cannot, then the rule change is not much different then what we have now. If you can move him, then yes it gives an extra advantage, but we already have that advantage up until 300 AB anyway. All we are doing is changing the rule from a flat 300 AB (before you have to put him on roster) to the full year he reaches 300 that we can do this. I hope that made sense? If so we need to clarify what exactly passed. 170 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 09:57 I know what I had in mind when we voted, that the commish and everyone else wouldn't have to check to see about career ABs/IPs except once a year. The new rule as written in <162> would allow a prospect to be sent back down after threshold and the owner could still retain his rights. That said, I can't read everyone else's mind. Shall we put this issue to a vote just so we can get all inputs? 171 barilko6       ID: 468381212       Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 13:38 Yes, that is what I understood as well. If anyone thinks differently, let them chime in now! 172 Taxman       SuperDude       ID: 029463114       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 00:47 #2 173 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 08:39 So in other words once over 300 you can keep until end of the year, but you have to decide if you are keeping him on prospect bench or active team? Or can you move back in forth until the end of the year like you can on now when under 300? Because it seems like you didn't understand my question. 174 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 08:39 Only 1.5 point difference between 1st and 2nd. My team has really collapsed the last week. 175 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 08:40 The good news is, WG has now pitched more innings tun me. 176 Bean       ID: 41052279       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 10:26 <173> The way I understand it, and the way it is written, is you "can you move back in forth until the end of the year like you can on now when under 300". If we want something else, we'll need to agree on wording. Perhaps you would prefer something like this: 1) At the beginning of the season, a player must be under thresholds, and either be drafted that year as a prospect, or drafted in a previous year as a prospect then kept as a prospect that year to be designated a prospect. 2) A prospect may be called up and sent down repeatedly throughout the season regardless of his current ABs/IPs. 3) The cycle repeats itself the following year. 177 barilko6       ID: 468381212       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 12:42 176: Can prospects be traded and still keep their prospect status? I think that needs to be clarified as well. 178 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Wed, Sep 14, 2016, 16:55 Bean the only thing you are missing is how the 300ab/125IP effects this, just so it's all in one place. I would think you trade for the same thing Barilko, I can't think of why it would be different but fair point. WG who is breathing down my neck had an alternative view feel free to jump in WG. We have until the start of 2017 to settle this but would be nice to do it before the end of the year. It seems like we had it about finished. 179 Bean       ID: 41052279       Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 01:12 Nerve recommend some wording I don't understand what you are saying. Here is what it says above: Prospect Draft & Rules Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible You can retain up to 3 prospect eligible players from one season to next There are 5 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over. Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc. Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status. If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them. If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday. If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days of regular season end, they can only be kept as a regular keeper. Prospect rights may be traded. Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft. You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 3 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft 180 biliruben       ID: 32755266       Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 16:17 Vote #1. Chicks dig the long ball. Nuf said. When voting I suggest someone with interwebs post to yahoo that we are having a vote. Oh yeah, funk comcast. 181 WG       ID: 36217119       Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 22:58 Heck of a fight, Nerve. Finding it hard to gain ground by addressing any specific category but gonna give it a shot. Gonna keep you honest til the very end! I thought the big reason for the proposed prospect rule change was to eliminate the sniping of your prospects that sometimes can happen when life gets in the way and you don't notice your guy has been over 300 AB for a week. I would (did?) vote for something along the lines of, if your guy crosses the limits whilst on FA you don't HAVE to pick him up, BUT no one else can either, but if you do pick him up, you can no longer send him down. Allowing constant adding/dropping all year seems a bit too forgiving and messy: what if your prospect had 110 IP at the beginning of the year; you can constantly cycle them up and down before and after each start for the rest of the season? Personally, I think just taking away the sniping part is sufficient, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to mount a big opposition to the rest of it. 182 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, Sep 17, 2016, 11:56 Hell of a fight? You are one point back breathing down my neck. Why did my team pick the last two weeks to collapse? It's not just the innings pitched which you have now caught up on, it's also my hitters have just played horribly lately. We are as good as tied now... 183 Seattle Zen       ID: 301361318       Mon, Sep 26, 2016, 14:34 That Trout trade just got morbidly disastrous. My apologies ahead of time to the guy who ends up inheriting Baldwin's team, I thought I had a top notch pitching anchor for you lined up for a long time. Devastating news. 184 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Fri, Sep 30, 2016, 13:29 Nothing you could have done about that Zen...just like there is nothing I can do about this looming defeat. Sigh My team quit hitting about a month ago and WG outmaneuvered me on the end game pitching stream stack. Not looking good... 185 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 10:17 I picked up pitchers for both Saturday and Sunday even though I can only stack for one of those days. When I did this I knew that WG would have already used up his innings limit so it would not have any effect on him. Were he not going to finish Friday I would have picked one day. I did this not feeling certain about one set of arms over the other, and also because Yahoo is showing McHugh and Bauer pitching Saturday but when you open the message tab it shows both pitching on Sunday. In fact McHugh is green on the lineup day both Saturday and Sunday. I was hoping there was something to that because it would give me a great stack Sunday. ESPN shows them both Saturday. I apologize if this screws up anyone else who was planning to stack, but given that I am playing this weekend for first, and given that WG was done with pitching, I thought it was justifiable. I just wanted everyone to know I would not have done it if it effected WG’s ability to use the pitchers. 187 WG       ID: 36217119       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 11:08 Nerve, Thanks for sharing your thoughts, but I don't think you needed to explain or defend your actions at all and I certainly didn't question any moves. In fact, I wondered why I didn't plan ahead better to have Gsellman for yesterday. At some point you added him and that's my own oversight. If you had added a full set of SP for both days, I would perfectly understand it... you leave yourself the option of when you want to max out. No need to explain that to anyone. I don't believe this issue came up last year but for some time now we have been discussing this scenario in another gurupie league of mine that faces a similar end game scenario. Most people there think its a perfectly valid strategy to add players purely to block someone else from getting them, and I tend to agree. I made a few moves today adding Probable SP for tomorrow even though I am maxed out in IP... I did it because pitching categories are still close and more than one manager using pitchers tomorrow can change the standings. Do people consider this unethical? Poor sportsmanship? Luckily, same day add and drops don't push players to waivers so if there is overwhelming disdain for this move I can drop the SP I added. I think the keeper aspect adds another wrinkle to the equation. If I think Tom Koehler or Matt Garza can be a keeper next year, does it really matter if 13 other managers disagree? I should still be able to add them (and anyone else) on the last add period*, right? Some leagues lock adds for players eliminated from Playoff contention to allow those in contention to battle it out (fairly); which category does this fall into? If I change my mind later today and decide that, as a result of today's results, I no longer need to block Probable SP, so I drop the SP I added, is this ok? What if I do it at 2:59AM? All tough questions and all scenarios brought on by a ridiculously tight race to the finish. Whatever peoples' thoughts on these issues, its been a fun fight to the end and its all out of good competition and good intentions. *Despite having played on Yahoo for probably 15 years, due largely to the many changes over the years, I'm still not certain if you can or can't add players tomorrow. Anyone know for sure? 188 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 11:34 I know these are “Public League” rules. And I know we have never specifically addressed it in our rules, but I don’t think what WG did is right by picking up most of Sunday’s FA pitchers even though he cannot use them and is over the IP limit. I came back to the list to consider adding more for Sunday only to discover they are gone. I don't know what I would have done or if it would have made a difference but it's certainly against Yahoo rules... From Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Rules: Fair Play & Sportsmanship rules No Owner Will: Make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners. ◦ Example: Streaming probable starting pitchers after reaching a league’s Innings Pitched limit to deny their use to other owners. For further reference. ESPN has the same rule, in fact it's grounds for expulsion... C: Impeding other owners Certain transactions made solely to impede other owners is not allowed. "Tanking games", or losing for the sole purpose of denying another player's chance to make the playoffs is against the rules. In particular, cycling through players in free agency to put them on waivers and make them unavailable to other teams in your league is strictly prohibited and is grounds for expulsion from the game. Which is essentially the same thing. Yahoo rules ESPN Rules I won't get into a debate about it but it doesn't seem right. Too bad because it might not make any difference. I am 37 K's away from WG. By stacking lots of pitchers Sunday there is at least a shot I could get 37 (WG got 30 yesterday) I'm 4 Wins away from the next place. The reason I was still "thinking" about what to do is I am tied for first in WHIP at 1.16 with two other managers. I have to weigh the possibility that with a bunch of bad performances I could drop out of that slot and lose 2 points. Now that decision has been made for me. At the very least we should consider making a rule against this next year given that it is against public league rules by both Yahoo and ESPN? No? This is the first time it has happened at seasons end in the 15 years of this league. I've been known to occasionally grab a pitcher to stream, in season, then change my mind and not use him. Fred (PD) saw this a few years ago and messaged me about it. The reason I was doing it, is because this league you have to get pitchers a day early and ESPN does not release their daily notes pitching ratings and sometimes I change my mind after I have seen them. I never thought about it until Fred mentioned it, and I have since tried not to do it. I don't want to take anything away from WG's probable win. He has done an amazing job and I have the greatest respect for him, he's out played me at season end. I just think this one action is a mistake that he probably didn't even consider the implications of. 189 Seattle Zen       ID: 6952110       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 11:52 The best feature of this league is the amount of chatter. I'm sure I'm not alone in appreciating both Nerve and WG checking in here at the end to talk about their strategy and to make sure there are no hard feelings. Baldwin certainly was a big contributor to the amount of discussion, hell, his posts in this league were about the only things he would say that didn't tick me off. It was a nice trip down memory lane this year and wish you all the best. Good luck to both Nerve and WG. 190 Blue hen       ID: 410452818       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 12:52 Popping in. I don't think WG is hampering play of other owners. That likely refers to when you're not actually trying to win and are targeting one specific owner. He's clearly trying to win here. 191 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sat, Oct 01, 2016, 14:13 Blue Hen. He is over the innings limit, yet he picked up pitchers to prevent his competitor from using them. Yahoo rule is very clear about that exact thing, this is copied directly from Yahoo rules I linked to... No Owner Will: Make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners. Example: Streaming probable starting pitchers after reaching a league’s Innings Pitched limit to deny their use to other owners. I don't know how that could be anymore clear... 192 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 06:48 Meatwads has Dansby Swanson who is my prospect. Can a commish please remove him from Meatwads lineup, particularly because he is tied for 2nd? I emailed him yesterday and he hasn't responded. 193 Meatwads       ID: 142562814       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 11:03 Dansby Swanson is NOT your prospect, Nerve. I drafted him 1st overall in this year's prospect draft. Maybe you are confusing this league with another league you own him. 194 barilko6       ID: 12823306       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 12:36 According to our prospect draft archives, Meatwads took Swanson with the 1st overall pick in the prospect draft this year: href="http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=basest&thread=8047&last=1458417691" target="_blank">2016 Prospect Draft Because of this, Swanson will stay on Meatwads roster for this year. 195 barilko6       ID: 12823306       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 12:40 Sorry my link didn't paste correctly: http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=basest&thread=8047&last=1458417691 196 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 12:57 Meat I am really sorry...you are right, I was confusing it with Perfect keeper league where he is on my prospect list. I have Brendan Rogers another SS. Really sorry. 197 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 12:58 And How about Meatwad, tied for 2nd place. Didn't see that freight train coming. 198 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Sun, Oct 02, 2016, 13:13 Saved by Bean, he got him back in your line-up Meatwad. Sorry again. 199 Seattle Zen       ID: 2893339       Mon, Oct 03, 2016, 10:33 Congrats Nerve, great finish to the season. 200 Nerveclinic       ID: 29111311       Mon, Oct 03, 2016, 10:42 I barely could bring myself to look at the standings this morning because I was certain I had lost. WG is a beast, I really felt like I had someone clawing at my back the whole last month. Then there was Meatwad right behind, didn't see that coming. Also WG graciously put the pitchers back on the FA list and in the end I didn't take any of them, opting instead to go with relief pitchers to not risk Whip lost. That plan almost backfired in retrospect. See everyone next year with a bullseye on my back. 201 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Oct 03, 2016, 11:36 Grats Nerve 202 barilko6       ID: 46959511       Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 12:59 Congrats Nerve! Outside of my brutal pre-keeper trade to start my presence in this league, I think I did alright and aim to move higher next year! 203 C1-NRB       ID: 49955514       Wed, Oct 05, 2016, 15:55 Well done, nerve. Looking forward to next season already. 204 Nerveclinic       ID: 451181520       Fri, Oct 07, 2016, 06:30 Thanks to Bean for his hard work as commish in a difficult league...for example someone claiming incorrectly that Dansby Swanson is his prospect. 205 biliruben       ID: 28420307       Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 00:26 You rock Nerve. Go dodgers. 206 Bean       ID: 41052279       Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 12:23 Ahem, you meant Indians right? Will be going to the World Series if they get there, which looks more likely each game. 207 WG       ID: 36217119       Tue, Oct 18, 2016, 21:54 A long overdue congratulations to Nerve for winning this thing. Apologies that it took me so long to post. Incredible comeback at the end. I was chasing you for a while down the line but once I took the lead I thought I was fairly safe, and then going into the last day I wasn't sure you would be able to catch me. I made a boneheaded move along the way of dropping Dyson and SB were really close between me and two below me, so I knew there was the possibility of dropping a point or two there. I was also surprised you didn't maximize innings at the end but I guess you thought the downside risk was too great; risking dropping in ERA and WHIP which were both close in order to try to gain a point in K and gaining a point in W by getting 4 wins from 5 SP, which would have been tough. In the end, my hats off to you for one of the closest fights and finishes to the end I can remember in a long time. Looking back it's easy now to see certain things I should have done differently. I should have used some of the innings I did on RP on SP instead, as I finished with 15 and 32 more saves than the two below me yet ended up only 2 wins shy of 2 extra points. I should have tried to acquire a pure base stealer and swapped him into a slot I was using a power guy at, as I finished ahead 17 HR but ended up with just an 8/14 in SB, giving away 6 valuable potential points in what I knew was going to be a tough battle. A base stealer starting over a guy like Chris Davis, who I ended up benching in the second half but probably not soon enough, would have gotten me a few more points in AVG as well. Sorry for the rambling, but fun to look back and analyze mistakes so you don't make them again. Again, congrats on a great year and a hard fought, well deserved victory. 208 barilko6       ID: 560361112       Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 13:36 Hey there all... Just checking in for 2017, trying to get a jump on things and get things rolling in a positive way sooner rather than later. We had a good year last year, exciting finish, and I made a terrible trade. Look forward to improvement all around! We need to have a roll call first and foremost...who's back, who's not. Please post your intentions here. I don't have everyone's email yet, so if you post your email here as well, that would be swell.. Lets roll! 209 C1-NRB       ID: 560191114       Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 15:20 In. c1nrb.91 at gmail dot com 210 Bean       ID: 27592412       Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 15:57 In 211 taxman       ID: 371026520       Wed, Jan 11, 2017, 21:48 in 212 barilko6       ID: 560361112       Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 16:34 Last year's standings: 1. Dubai Camel Jockeys 12 12.5 13 12.5 10 9 13 12 13 13 120 2. WG 14 14 14 8 9 11 14 13 11 10 118 3. Mighty Meatwads 13 12.5 11 10 12 10 9.5 14 8 12 112 4. Vampirez 10 9 10 4 4 14 6 11 12 14 94 5. Bean's Senators 11 10 8 11 11 12.5 5 7 10 7 92.5 6. Team Canada 1 8 7 5.5 2 12.5 12 8 14 11 81 7. Tax Rules 3 1 9 7 7 6 8 9 6 5 61 8. DustStorm Troopers 4 11 12 5.5 5 4 3 6 5 2 57.5 9. Freaky Slaughts 9 7 3 14 6 3 2 4 4 4 56 10. Baldwin's Legacy 2 4 2 2 8 7 9.5 10 3 6 53.5 10. Graydog 6 3 1 12.5 1 2 11 1 7 9 53.5 12. bili-cruisin' 7 6 4 1 3 5 7 3 9 8 53 13. Fightin' Amish 8 2 5 3 13 8 1 5 2 3 50 14. 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