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Subject: Political Baseball Vote to change the Prospect Rul
Posted by: Nerveclinic
- [29111311] Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 15:43
This is a vote to change the prospect rule as follows.
As in the past you can keep a prospect until they reach the following levels of play. For Batters 300 AB and for Pitchers 125IP
The change is that once they go over this threshold you can keep them for the rest of the year.
Before the start of the next season you must either keep as a 7 regular keeper, or drop any player over the threshold.
Voting ends August 31st 2016 at midnight. The majority of votes made at that time will determine the rule change positive or negative.
Please vote in this thread.
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1 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 15:44
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Initial Votes
Nerveclinic, Bean and Barilko6 all vote in favor of the change.
Current vote
3 yea
0 Nay
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2 | WG
ID: 35338278 Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 15:59
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Just to clarify, once my guy crosses the threshold while still on FA, I can leave him there all year if I want? But I can also call him up later in the year but not be able to send him back down?
Yea
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3 | C1-NRB
ID: 22242221 Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 16:03
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I can go for this.
Yea
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5 | Taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Fri, Aug 05, 2016, 18:59
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yes .. in favor of change
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6 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 09:53
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That makes sense WG you can do whatever you want with him, back and forth until the season ends he is yours because that has always been the rule and we are only changing the part about having to put him on team within 7 days of limit.. Good point for clarification...
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7 | WG
ID: 35338278 Sat, Aug 06, 2016, 10:03
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Hmm I meant once you roster him after he crosses the threshold you can no longer send him back down? Think that's a bit more fair? Otherwise you essentially get more bench slots if you can keep sending lapsed prospects down, like in between SP starts.
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8 | biliruben
ID: 28420307 Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 04:10
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I say let's go with whatever is simplest, regarding WG's question. Not sure what that is.
Yes, on the rule.
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9 | biliruben
ID: 28420307 Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 04:10
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I say let's go with whatever is simplest, regarding WG's question. Not sure what that is.
Yes, on the rule.
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10 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 04:14
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WG "Hmm I meant once you roster him after he crosses the threshold you can no longer send him back down? Think that's a bit more fair? Otherwise you essentially get more bench slots if you can keep sending lapsed prospects down, like in between SP starts."
But that is almost the same as the rule right now.
The rule change is once he goes over 300, you have to make a change the following season. But he is still your prospect with the same rules as before 300AB.
I understand about the extra bench slot but we already have that with prospects, we are just changing the time frame from 300AB to end of season after 300 AB.
We've always had an extra slot if our prospect is in the big leagues and under 300 AB, right?
I guess you are saying after 300 AB for example you can keep him either on prospect list, or keep him on team? but can't go back and forth? The second part, keeping him on your team is basically what the rule is now.
I guess this is something we need to clarify and would be easier to do so when the commissioner is back.
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11 | Bobo
ID: 13413296 Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 09:48
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I vote YES for this change.
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12 | Baldwin's Legacy
ID: 26742720 Sun, Aug 07, 2016, 21:50
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This election is rigged. I want Michelle Bachman to be our next commissioner. Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim who wants to impose shariah law and lead the caliphate.
And I vote yes and Donald Trump is running a false flag diversion to get The Hill elected. It's all that damn RINO John Boehner's fault.
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13 | Tree
ID: 444512518 Mon, Aug 08, 2016, 19:37
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i am not voting yet in hopes we have another rule that doesn't hit the quorum, and just falls by the wayside.
to be clear, i'm not abstaining, i'm simply delaying my vote until we cast a vote on additional bench spots, one that meets the quorum, or ignores the quorum.
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14 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Tue, Aug 09, 2016, 12:46
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I guess we should start a separate thread for extra bench slot. I know I would vote for at least one more but we should probably discuss qty to vote on and wait until the commish is around...
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15 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 05:41
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We have 10 positive votes now we just need to confirm the exact intention of the rule.
And of course if the wording is you can move player back and forth WG might withdraw his vote? And maybe some others?
Sorry for the confusion, I was thinking it was obvious the basic structure would stay the same, and that we were only voting to be allowed to keep for rest of the season after 300 AB and 125IP with nothing else changing. (i.e. back and forth is OK)
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16 | WG
ID: 35338278 Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 08:25
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I'm ok with your interpretation; still vote yea.
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17 | Bean
ID: 41052279 Wed, Aug 10, 2016, 14:47
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So, this is what the rules say now:
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status. If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them. If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday. If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days of regular season end, they can only be kept as a regular keeper.
This is what I propose the rules will say, effective the end of this season:
Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. In the off-season, prior to keeper declaration, prospects still below threshold may remain on the prospect list, be dropped, or be called up to the MLB roster as an MLB keeper. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.
I believe this reflects the above discussion. Thoughts?
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18 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Fri, Aug 12, 2016, 17:01
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I'm confused by the last sentence Bean...
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19 | Bean
ID: 41052279 Sat, Aug 13, 2016, 10:22
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Umm what's confusing about I believe this reflects the above discussion. Thoughts?
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20 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 09:08
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The last sentence in the rules change...actually there are a couple confusing things in the wording to me. (might just be me)
Your rule change makes no mention of the threshold limit and how players are effected going forward. The whole purpose of the rule change was to change the rule so you can keep a player for the rest of the year that he goes over the threshhold. (On or off the prospect list or your main team?)
Also you mention a prospect can be "called up in the "off season" I don't understand why we would call up a prospect in the off season except at the time we are naming keepers for the next year. I guess if you make an off season trade for a prospect and need the room and don't want to drop? Then it would make sense to switch a prospect to your main roster? Is that the reasoning?
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21 | Bean
ID: 41052279 Sun, Aug 14, 2016, 10:49
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<20> Please provide alternate wording.
There is no mention of the ability to keep a player for the entire year, because without the ability to "steal" another manager's player, it is the default condition and needs no mention.
The ability to call up or send down in the off-season allows a manager to send a prospect down after the last game of the season or bring someone up before keeper declaration.
In my mind, the last sentence made it clear that if you choose to make your "prospect" one of your 7 MLB keepers, you no longer have the ability to send him back to your prospect list.
Again, please provide specific wording to help me make this clear. Thanks.
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22 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29111311 Mon, Aug 15, 2016, 01:25
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There is no mention of the ability to keep a player for the entire year, because without the ability to "steal" another manager's player, it is the default condition and needs no mention.
Got it
The ability to call up or send down in the off-season allows a manager to send a prospect down after the last game of the season or bring someone up before keeper declaration.
Got it
In my mind, the last sentence made it clear that if you choose to make your "prospect" one of your 7 MLB keepers, you no longer have the ability to send him back to your prospect list.
Clearly
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