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0 Subject: 2017 Political Baseball League

Posted by: barilko6
- [560361112] Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 16:37

Welcome to 2017! Here is our new thread....
1barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 16:38
Last year's standings:

1. Dubai Camel Jockeys 12 12.5 13 12.5 10 9 13 12 13 13 120
2. WG 14 14 14 8 9 11 14 13 11 10 118
3. Mighty Meatwads 13 12.5 11 10 12 10 9.5 14 8 12 112
4. Vampirez 10 9 10 4 4 14 6 11 12 14 94
5. Bean's Senators 11 10 8 11 11 12.5 5 7 10 7 92.5
6. Team Canada 1 8 7 5.5 2 12.5 12 8 14 11 81
7. Tax Rules 3 1 9 7 7 6 8 9 6 5 61
8. DustStorm Troopers 4 11 12 5.5 5 4 3 6 5 2 57.5
9. Freaky Slaughts 9 7 3 14 6 3 2 4 4 4 56
10. Baldwin's Legacy 2 4 2 2 8 7 9.5 10 3 6 53.5
10. Graydog 6 3 1 12.5 1 2 11 1 7 9 53.5
12. bili-cruisin' 7 6 4 1 3 5 7 3 9 8 53
13. Fightin' Amish 8 2 5 3 13 8 1 5 2 3 50
14. American ALPHA 5 5 6 9 14 1 4 2 1 1 48
2barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 16:46
Trades from 2016 involving 2017 draft picks:

1.
Meatwads receive :
2017 11th round pick

Tax Rules receive :
2017 2nd round pick

2.

Barilko receives 2nd round pick
Bili receives 7th round pick

3.

Graydog trades 22nd round pick
Vampirez trades 8th round pick

(regarding the 3rd trade, do we even have 22 rounds after keepers are declared, or was this to be including keepers, as in a 1st and a 15th?)

3barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 16:48
Poli League Trophy Case

2001 Toral
2003 Baldwin
2004 Skanks 4 Bush
2005 Baldwin
2006 1625 K St Allstars
2007 Biliruben
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 nerveclinic
2012 Great One
2013 WG
2014 GO
2015 WG
2016 nerveclinic
4Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Thu, Jan 12, 2017, 19:57
<2> From <112> of the 2016 thread:

Summary of pick trades so far(let me know if I missed one):

<94>
biliruben sends 2017 2nd round pick
barilko sends 2017 7th round pick

<100>
Meatwads sends 2017 2nd round pick
taxman sends 2017 11th round pick


The one you have listed as #3 was a cancelled trade over the confused draft pick #. i.e. The trade never happened.
5barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 16:47
Hmm...not sure if people aren't checking in here yet, or if there is a severe lack of interest.

Does someone have an email group we can use to send out a check-in reminder?
6Meatwads
      ID: 142562814
      Thu, Jan 19, 2017, 17:32
I'm back for another season.
7Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Sat, Jan 21, 2017, 01:47
Pretty sure Yahoo league has the option to send an e-mail to all managers
8Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 15:31
Not lack of interest. Just early.

I am in...

Thanks for your service barilko


9Bobo
      ID: 460322314
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 15:32
I'm back!

Thanks for the e-mail prompt today.
10C1-NRB
      ID: 400352314
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 15:35
In.
11taxman
      ID: 240382314
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 15:38
In
12Perm Dude
      ID: 130432319
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 20:43
in
13WG
      ID: 510342320
      Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 21:34
In!
14 Biliruben
      ID: 250482410
      Tue, Jan 24, 2017, 11:48
In
15Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Tue, Jan 24, 2017, 14:01
Remaining unconfirmed managers:

Punk42ae (Vampirez)
Tree (Freaky Slaughts)
Graydog (Graydog)
Seattle Zen (Boldwin's Legacy)

Do we have any replacements lined up?
16Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 05:23

Zen already said he doesn't want to do it this year so for sure that is a replacement.

17Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 12:14

Zen confirms he's out...
18Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 12:14

Probably need to post the opening on the league forum should be easy to fill
19barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 12:19
I can post a request looking for a manager. Maybe more depending on Punk, Tree, and Graydog.

Will post now.
20 taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 13:29
I have a candidate that has been active in Guru related leagues such by the name of David Hammick. he should be considered first as I brought him to attention of our commish weeks ago.
21barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 14:08
re: 20 Noted.
22Graydog
      ID: 110422622
      Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 23:42
Sorry guys but i am out. Just no time to put in whats needed.
23barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 08:44
Sad to hear Graydog, but also good to hear that you're willing to admit not being able to put the time in to commit daily. Thanks.

Still need to hear back from Tree and Punk, but we now have 2 official empty slots. (Zen/Bold and Graydog)

If anyone has a suggestion for a manager, let me know or post here.
24Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Fri, Jan 27, 2017, 16:42
I have renewed the league giving Barilko commish. You should be able to see your final 2016 rosters there now.
25Nerveclinic
      ID: 330361113
      Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 11:02

Thanks for being so on top of it Bean and Barilko6...

26Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 14:10

Can we get confirmation on several votes from last year?

1) Can keep a player as keeper for the full year once he goes over the limit? And part B to that, can you still move him from bench to active?

2) Raise pitching limits to 1,400 or 1,500 IP?

27Barilko
      ID: 24020305
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 06:20
I'll go over the votes today and see what the results were.

Will also send a second reminder email to Punk and Tree, but it looks like w might be on the hunt for 3 new managers.

We have one recommendation so far. Need a couple more.
28barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 08:30
Alright... here are the rule changes voted on:

1. Prospect Rule:

Now stated as such:

Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. In the off-season, prior to keeper declaration, prospects still below threshold may remain on the prospect list, be dropped, or be called up to the MLB roster as an MLB keeper. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.

Votes include 8 in favor of the change:

Bean
Barilko
Nerve
WG
C1
Taxman
Bili
Bobo

4 haven't voted:
Punk
Tree
Perm Dude
Vacancy

That being said, I think this rule is safe to pass, unless someone has a strong opinion to share?


Let's leave this posted here for a couple days before we look at the IP rule change, so as to not muddy the waters.


29barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 08:31
Sorry...I left Meatwads off my last post! I don't believe he has voted either way yet either.
30Meatwads
      ID: 142562814
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 10:30
I will vote in favor of that change as well.

Although, I do think the way we interact with our prospects could be upgraded. Barely anyone from our minor leagues is a viable keeper in a league this shallow.

I think we should considering adding a 8th keeper rule, that allows us to promote prospects who are under the limits after keepers are due, thus costing us our last pick in the in supplemental draft. For those of you familiar with the G20 league, it's the same.

I also think this would open up trading more, and give rebuilding teams more ways to reconstruct their rosters.

This is just a thought myself and another manager discussed. Let me know if anyone has any questions, comments or concerns about this.
31Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 11:28
<30> That rule in the G20 league is the biggest source of controversy in the league. After what this league has been through in removing rule abiguity, I dont believe reintroducing that kind of problem is a good idea.
32Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 15:45
Trading Block:

Jose Abreu, 1B
Jean Segura, 2B/SS
Adam Jones, OF
Aledmys Diaz, SS
Eduardo Nunez 3B, SS
Felix Hernandez SP
Cody Anderson RP
Lance McCullers SP

These eight talented players are vying for two roster slots; 2 for 1 and 3 for 1 or picks is kinda what I am looking for.
33barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 12:19
Alright...with nobody piping up regarding the prospect rule, I think we can safely pass that change into our constitution.

Which brings us to rule change suggestion 2:

1. Leave pitcher inning as is
2. Increase maximum pitcher innings to 1400
34Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 12:28
<33> Dont care
35Nerveclinic
      ID: 330361113
      Wed, Feb 01, 2017, 13:09

Apologies I am not clear on the wording for the prospect rule.

So if you have a prospect who goes over the threshold, you can keep him on the prospect bench the rest of the season?

Once he goes over, if you call him up, you must keep him on roster or drop him, he cannot go back to the prospect bench? But as long as you don't bring him up, you can keep him the rest of the year on the prospect list. Is that correct?

If so I vote yes.

Thanks for sending the email, it's early, I think a lot of people are not quite focused yet.

On the pitching I vote yes to 1,400 IP limit.
36Nerveclinic
      ID: 330361113
      Wed, Feb 01, 2017, 13:12


For a draft pick either Britton or Jason Kipnis.

37Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Wed, Feb 01, 2017, 14:09
<26 & 28>

1) Can keep a player as keeper for the full year once he goes over the limit? And part B to that, can you still move him from bench to active?

Yes, I believe that was the issue we were trying to address last year. Currently you have exclusive rights to, and can move a prospect back and forth only until he reaches thresholds. I think we agreed that we wanted to keep exclusive rights to the guy for the entire season. What we didnt clear up is whether we should be able to send a guy back down after he met threshold. I could live with it either way.

What we really need is wording in our constitution that describes it properly.

On another note, once we get through the drafts, we typically posted an in season thread with the constitution and the prospect list at the top for easy reference. Putting both in the commish notes of the yahoo league is also a good tradition.
38Meatwads
      ID: 142562814
      Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 02:17
Last year was my first season in the league, but I thought the IP limits seemed reasonable. I'm cool with whatever the majority wants to do there.

As for my suggestion to make an 8th keeper rule, to give prospects more value, it's not my favorite rule either, and in hindsight this was the wrong league to suggest that.

My original thoughts on prospects came from my selection of Dansby Swanson with the first pick in our prospect draft last season. We could debate all day whether that was the correct selection in hindsight, but he did work out reasonably well for a prospect. He played well in the minors, got fast tracked to the majors, and wasn't overmatched when he got there.

All good things if I could sit on this guy for a couple more years. Unfortunately in our league, the top pick in our prospect draft, who works out, is not a viable keeper for someone trying to win in 2017.

If what I just said is correct, which I'm sure is debatable, then it seems to me that changing how we interact with prospects, for the better of the league, seems worth investigating.
39Meatwads
      ID: 142562814
      Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 02:35
After reading my post I had a thought. Swanson may not be the best example, because he stayed under the limits, giving me the option to keep him down, promote him in season, and then decide if he's keeper worthy next year.

It's still debatable how many prospects from our minors will follow that path and be serious keepers going forward, but he is an example of one working out as best as we can hope, and he still has not proven to be a legit keeper.

I don't really have a suggestion or answer to this, besides making the making the minor league draft larger and keeping more prospects. And that'll just give us more lottery tickets, not really solve the problem of making these guys valuable enough to build around.

I'm not trying to champion any kind of huge change to the league or shake up a league that's been established for years. I can just see how the prospect situation will play out, and I like prospects, and would like them to be more of a factor, both on our rosters and as trade pieces.
40Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 08:01

Swanson is the perfect example. He will go over this year.

New rule means you can keep him for the rest of the year without anyone taking him.

Personally I think we should be able to move them on and off the prospect bench, even when over the limit, because other wise it doesn't really help you that much.

41barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 10:02
re:40

I am ok with this. And then the year after they exceed their roster limits a manager will have to choose to add the player as a regular keeper or release them.
42Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 11:42
i'm all for anything that increases our evaluation period for prospects.
43Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 12:42
<42> Can up the limits to accomplish that Tree.

In the TPKL salary cap league that Nerfherders runs, and Nerveclinic and I play in, we have two thresholds. First threshold is whether or not you can draft a guy as a prospect. Second threshold is whether or not you have to promote him.

The promotion threshold is applied only once a year, before the draft. We do not, however, allow for moving the guy back and forth, because it would be too complicated for a salary league.
44Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Sat, Feb 04, 2017, 11:25
I think by saying for a hitter 300 AB is the limit, but you can keep him the rest of the year he goes over and you can use him as before, back and forth, it at least helps because now he might get another 400 AB before you have to give him up.

As it is right now, almost no one ever keeps a prospect because 98% are too raw at 300AB. And pitchers are even worse. The way it is right now, except for the elite, prospects are worthless.
45GoatLocker
      ID: 375332422
      Sun, Feb 05, 2017, 10:23
I didn't wade all the way through the thread, but looking to add a few teams if you still need bodies.
Please let me know.
I think most of you know me.

Goat
46Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Sun, Feb 05, 2017, 17:11
I renewed the league from last year on Draft Time, made barilko co-admin
47 taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Mon, Feb 06, 2017, 00:15
Taking offers on Giancarlo Stanton .. looking for stud 2B / SS / SP
48barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 06, 2017, 17:41
Goat...we would love to have you join! We have one other manager confirmed to join, a friend of Tax, and his name is David. Here is a bit of a blurb from him:

I have played in several leagues over the years with Taxman..baseball, football and basketball, but now I only play in baseball leagues....with or without Taxman! This will be the 4th league for me this year. I prefer the rotisserie style of baseball to a heads up type league but will do a heads up. I have been a Nationals season ticket holder from Day 1 and Nats Park is where I can be found during the summer. I'll be heading down to watch Spring Training in about 4 weeks!
49barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 06, 2017, 17:42
Goat and David...I will reach out to you both tomorrow and give you some info and set you up with one of our teams.

We still haven't heard from Punk, so a 3rd manager is needed. If anyone has a suggestion, send it my way!
50barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 06, 2017, 17:45
Alright...looks like we have our 3:

David
Goatlocker
ArtofMonk

Great news! I will connect with each of the new guys tomorrow.

Question...for fun's sake:

Should we let them each take one of the existing teams or have a fun 3 team expansion draft between the 3 of them! (Where they each pick 7 keepers from the 3 vacant clubs)
51Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Mon, Feb 06, 2017, 22:27
As it is right now, almost no one ever keeps a prospect because 98% are too raw at 300AB. And pitchers are even worse. The way it is right now, except for the elite, prospects are worthless.

well, we agree on something.

years ago i proposed that we could declare a "Super prospect", someone we could keep for 600 ABs.

i'd love to see a significant increase in the threshold, perhaps as much as 600 to 700 ABs, and a related number of IP. if we wanted to keep all our prospects in a given year, we could, we just can't draft any more. you can have a max of however many prospects we allow, and they are yours, and you aren't forced to keep or release someone until they hit that higher threshold.

that rewards scouting, which is the whole point of prospects imho.
52 thepwa
      ID: 320482612
      Tue, Feb 07, 2017, 13:02
Glad to be here, looking forward to playing.
53Barilko
      ID: 24020305
      Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 06:18
Goatlocker...I sent you an email yesterday and just want to check to see if I have the right address. Did you get it?
54barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 16:43
Does anyone have a current email address for Goatlocker?
55Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Sun, Feb 12, 2017, 10:51
Welcome new (and old) managers!
56barilko6
      ID: 361261117
      Sun, Feb 12, 2017, 17:02
Alright...I've got all 3 managers onboard and ready to go. For time considerations, I am going to randomly assign a team to each of the managers. But so that it is 100% random...

Bean can you send me the names of the three managers in any order you choose:

Art of Monk
David
Goatlocker

And Taxman, can you send me the three teams that are vacant, once again in a random order:

Graydog
Punk
Seattle Zen/Boldwin

Then I will match up the two lists and grant access to last year's teams and rosters.


57barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 13, 2017, 09:13
Alright...

Bean sent:

Art of Monk
David
Goatlocker

Taxman Sent:

Punk
Graydog
Seattle Zen/Boldwin

So...

Art gets Punks team
David gets the Graydogs
Goatloacker gets SZ/Boldie

I am going to start a new thread with the rules on the top, including the two new rules regarding IP and Prospects, since there was no objection to either proposal.

I will also copy and paste all prospects there as well, and include the new draft order with the new managers listed.

58barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 13, 2017, 09:16
Yahoo invites have been sent to the new owners.
59artofmonk
      ID: 480462716
      Mon, Feb 13, 2017, 11:31
joined the league. I was expecting not great keepers, but I feel like I just won the lottery.
60Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Mon, Feb 13, 2017, 11:52
<57> The prospect list should prolly include JUST those still prospect eligible
61barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 09:17
Here is the list of prospects, including the ones that have passed their eligibility.

Feel free to check this over to ensure it is accurate.

A reminder that prospects that have exceeded their eligibility and are still on your roster are eligible to be used as regular keepers.

Art of Monk

Austin Meadows
Blake Snell
Dan Norris
Jake Thompson
Lucas Giolito

Expired - Daniel Norris (136 IP)

Barilko

Alex Reyes
Bradley Zimmer
Franklin Barreto
Ryan McMahon
Shohan Otani

Bean

Greg Bird
Jameson Taillon
Nick Gordon

Expired:
Jon Gray - 208 IPs
Michael Conforto - 478 ABs


Biliruben

Jose De Leon
Julio Urias
Raul Mondesi

Expired:
Tim Anderson - 410 ABs
Nomar Mazara - 516 ABs


Bobo
A. J. Puk
Clint Frazier
Joey Gallo
Jose Berrios
Orlando Arcia


C1-NRB

Francis Martes
JP Crawford
Sean Newcomb

Expired:
Trea Turner - 347 ABs
Trevor Story - 372 ABs

David

Alec Hansen
Byung-Ho Park

Expired:
Byron Buxton - 427 ABs
Corey Seager - 725 ABs
Roberto Osuna - 143 IPs


Goatlocker

Jorge Mateo
Matt Olson

Expired:
Joe Ross 181 IPs
Ken Giles 181 IPs
Raisel Iglesias 173 IPs


Meatwads

Dansby Swanson
Gleyber Torres
Rafael Devers

Expired:
Kenta Maeda - 175 IPs
Devon Travis - 627 ABs

Nerveclinic

Andrew Benintendi
Brendan Rodgers
Nick Senzel
Robert Stephenson
Yusniel Diaz


Perm Dude

AJ Reed
David Dahl
Jesse Winker
Victor Robles
Yoan Moncada


Taxman

Josh Bell
Lewis Brinson
Nick Williams
Tyler Glasnow
Yulieski Gurriel


Tree

Albert Almora
Alex Bregman
Brett Phillips
Dylan Bundy

Expired:
Steven Matz - 168 IPs

WG

Aaron Judge
Anderson Espinoza
Hunter Harvey
Lourdes Gurriel. Jr

Expired:
Javier Baez - 710 ABs
62Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 10:56
Looks good
63Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 16:36
mine is good as well
64GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Tue, Feb 14, 2017, 18:00
OK, see who I have.
Several questions.
I take it we keep 7.
When does the prospect draft occur.
When do keepers have to be declared by.
Also, why do I have a team with no catcher?
65Bobo
      ID: 3147156
      Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 07:47
My prospects are accurate.

Is there a declaration date for those who we want to keep?
66Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 09:14
GL - Yes, 7 regular keepers and up to 3 prospects. We will then fill out the remaining prospects in the prospect draft so everyone will have 5.

If you want full rules (ish) see the top of 2016 thread:

2016 thread with rules

Hopefully the prospect draft will be sooner rather than later.
67Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 09:15
As for the final question. Catchers are for losers.
68 Biliruben
      ID: 24140158
      Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 09:42
I'm rebuilding.

Votto and Arrietta (and anybody over 27) are available for the right young bat.
69blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 12:08
Anyone need a co-manager?
70barilko6
      ID: 31158166
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 08:01
Last year we started the prospect draft on March 14th, and things went pretty smoothly from what I recall.

We run the regular draft immediately following the prospect draft.

How does everyone feel about Monday March 13th as the start date for the prospect draft, and the regular draft starting right after its completed?

As for keepers, I am proposing Thursday March 9th at 11:59 pm EST for keeper declarations.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!
71Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 10:03
Will be in Phoenix for Spring training 10-17 MAR, should have internet at the hotel. Will do my best to not slow things.
72Biliruben
      ID: 14137148
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 10:41
As I recall, that was anot unusually late start for us. I'd prefer earlier, unless there is a good reason to wait a month?
73Meatwads
      ID: 142562814
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 11:38
I'm cool with letting blue hen join my team as a co-manager, assuming the league allows it.

He mentioned interest in having his own team in the future, so this seems like a good way to take a test drive.

74Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 11:41
Fine with me.
75Barilko
      ID: 46191611
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 12:09
Yeah I just went by last years date as that was my only year in the draft. I'm open to an earlier date for sure.
76Barilko
      ID: 46191611
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 12:14
Yeah I just went by last years date as that was my only year in the draft. I'm open to an earlier date for sure.
77Barilko
      ID: 46191611
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 13:18
Yeah I just went by last years date as that was my only year in the draft. I'm open to an earlier date for sure.
78Meatwads
      ID: 45114139
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 14:43
@74 - OK cool. Can the commish send him an invite on Yahoo, so he has access to the team?

blue hen will have equal access for add/drops and trade talks throughout the year.

We're gonna talk a little more and then drop a little trade advertisement. We have some good players but are open to mixing it up, if we can find a match. Early discussions involved shopping Donaldson, so whoever wants to get serious about a trade...
79barilko6
      ID: 81491616
      Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 17:49
I can add Blue Hen...which email address does he use for Yahoo?
80blue hen
      ID: 5254718
      Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 11:40
Sent you an email from the correct address.
81GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 17:31
Been at a meeting all week and just got home.
Read through everything and starting to feel better about everything going on.
Had dinner with tax Weds nite, but didn't talk about this league.

Goat.
82Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Sun, Feb 19, 2017, 12:14
TRADING BLOCK

I have some talented guys who wont be making my keeper list. These are my tentative keepers:

Charlie Blackmon Col - OF
George Springer Hou - OF
Robinson Canó Sea - 2B
José Abreu CWS - 1B
Jean Segura Sea - 2B,SS
Johnny Cueto SF - SP
Masahiro Tanaka NYY - SP

These guys dont look to make the cut, but are worth a look:

Adam Jones Bal - OF (Yahoo #77)
Aledmys Diaz StL - SS (26 yr old; 17 HR/404 AB; .300 BA)
Eduardo Núñez SF - 3B,SS (40 SB; .288 BA)
Tyler Naquin Cle - OF (25 yr old; 14 HR/321 AB; .296 BA)
Jedd Gyorko StL - 1B,2B,3B,SS (30 HR/400 AB)
Félix Hernández Sea - SP (Yahoo #115)
Cody Allen Cle - RP (32 Saves)
Lance McCullers Hou - SP (23 yrs old; 3.22 ERA)

As you would expect; am looking for my two for your one, picks, or prospects. Make an offer.
83barilko6
      ID: 37119218
      Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 09:19
Alright...with nobody objecting to an earlier prospect draft start date, I am proposing we start the prospect draft next Monday, February 27th, at 9:00 AM EST.

So that means that prospect keeper lists are due by this Friday, February 24th, at 11:59 pm, EST.

Announce which prospects you are keeping and those that you are renouncing. If you do not leave intent on these boards before the deadline, all prospects will be renounced.

The regular draft will start two days following the prospect draft. (but early picks will be allowed)

Regular keepers then should be declared by Wednesday March 1st by NOON EST.

84Biliruben
      ID: 14137148
      Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 09:46
Maybe just split the difference? Start the prospect draft on the 6th?
85Biliruben
      ID: 14137148
      Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 09:49

Also, are there prospect eligible players on people's rosters that won't be available if we don't declare all keepers at same time? Can't remember how that works....
86Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 11:11
From other threads concerning how it went down last year:

Keepers due Sunday night by 11:59 PM EST 3/13
Prospect Draft will start Monday evening 3/14
Regular draft starts upon completion of prospect draft (which actually happened on 3/19)

From Draft Time:
First Pick Mar 19, 3:27 pm
Last Pick Mar 27, 11:30 am


So, when you suggested:
Monday March 13th as the start date for the prospect draft, and the regular draft starting right after its completed?

As for keepers, I am proposing Thursday March 9th at 11:59 pm EST for keeper declarations.


I had no complaints
87barilko6
      ID: 37119218
      Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 11:16
Re:85

That's a good point. I am guessing that we will have to declare all keepers prior to the prospect draft then? That's pretty early to declare keepers though.

Bean, do you recall what we did last year for that?
88Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 01:08
ALL keepers declared simultaneously, both prospect and MLB. This was a rule change from before, and it happened only after great deliberation. So, unless there is a groundswell to revisit it, I would not return to some other more complicated arrangement that, with this crowd, would be subject to many interpretations and debates.
89 thepwa
      ID: 320482612
      Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 09:30
Trade:

I agreed to trade Boegarts to Taxman for Stanton.
90taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Wed, Feb 22, 2017, 09:41
TRADE

Taxman receives Bogaerts

Mudville receives Stanton

no draft picks involved
91barilko6
      ID: 28148247
      Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 08:48
Nice trade guys!

I will probably be looking to add one more keeper. If you've got someone to deal, let me know!
92 WG
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, Feb 24, 2017, 10:23
TRADE BLOCK

Chris Davis
Rick Porcello
93Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 12:45
<91> Look at my post in 82 for possible trades

<87> So, can we be very definitive about what the deadlines are now? I am confused about what is being suggested. EVERY league I am in that has announced dates has keeper declaration during the week of 13 MAR. Earlier and you can miss significant injuries; later and you risk not finishing before opening day (2 APR).
94GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 18:59
Ditto on what Bean said.
I'm confused and need to know, especially since I am new meat.

When are keepers due, and when are prospect announcements due.

95Biliruben
      ID: 14137148
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 09:55
An extra week of potential injuries doesn't bother me much. At most it will probably effect only 1 or 2 impact players drafted during that time. BUT if everyone else feels strongly, just go with the original date. I was just anxious to get going and not wait a whole month.
96Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 10:08

The other thing is our league has always had a mulligan if one of your keepers gets hurt between the time you declare and the draft you are allowed to swap. It's happened a couple times over the years.

But that said I am all for waiting as long as possible.

97barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 10:59
I will re-suggest having keepers due on Thursday March 9th, with the prospect draft starting Monday March 13th.

Please voice your opinions sooner rather than later!
98Bobo
      ID: 261512710
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 11:51
<97>

I vote for this option.
99taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 15:45
Commish will you start a keepers only thread that prohibits other posts so that we will have one thread to see who is/isn't a keeper
100barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Mon, Feb 27, 2017, 17:22
Great idea. Done. Please post your keepers here:

Keepers Thread
101Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 10:54
i could be wrong on the prospect keeper list, but i believe i moved Albert Almora to the Baldwin/SZ team in the Mike Trout/Jose Fernandez deal.
103barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 12:03
re: 101

Yes, I have found that inclusion.

So Goatlocker you have Albert Almora as a prospect keeper option as well, but may still only keep a max of 5 prospects.
104barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 12:05
I saw Bili's post in the keeper thread...

My mistake, each team may only keep 3 of their prospect keepers.
105GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 12:46
OK, at some point I will have a clue.

So, I have 6 Keepers.
Can only keep 3 as keepers.

3 are over iniing wise so will have to drop or keep as a regular keeper.
Have I got this all right.
106barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 13:18
Kind of. You had 6 prospects originally, but as you stated, 3 went over their limits, which leaves you with three: Almora, Mateo, and Olson.

You can choose to keep all 3 as your prospect keepers, and then draft 2 more in the following prospect draft, OR, you can choose to renounce any of the 3, which would give you another pick in the prospect draft.
107barilko6
      ID: 560361112
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 13:33
But yes...you can keep the guys who exceeded their prospect limits as part of your regular 7 keepers. I missed that part of your question.
108GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Tue, Feb 28, 2017, 16:38
Blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.
Yes, I meant 6 prospects.
109GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 15:17
OK, think I got it, but dense in my old age.
Total number of prospects is 3.
Number you can draft is driven by how many you keep.
If you keep 3, no draft picks, etc.
110C1-NRB
      ID: 44212013
      Fri, Mar 03, 2017, 20:29
Not quite.
At the end of the prospect draft, everyone will have 5 prospects total.
You can keep up to 3 prospect-eligible players from last year's prospect draft. Or you can throw them all back and draft 5 new ones.
As managers use up their prospect draft picks, they drop out of the prospect draft. So in the first two rounds, everyone will make a pick, but in subsequent rounds only managers that didn't keep prospects will get to keep picking.
Better?
111 barilko
      ID: 321415
      Sat, Mar 04, 2017, 16:04
Keeper deadline is this Thursday.

Speaking of which, still looking for one or two more keepers to add to my squad. I've talked with a couple of you, but looking to finalize things. Let me know if you've got some spare parts for draft picks.
112GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Sat, Mar 04, 2017, 22:33
Thanks C1. Got It.
113artofmonk
      ID: 26241214
      Mon, Mar 06, 2017, 16:36
can you post the draft order?
114barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 10:20


American ALPHA
Fightin' Amish
bili-cruisin'
Goatlocker
David
Freaky Slaughts
DustStorm Troopers
Tax Rules
Team Canada
Bean's Senators
Art of Monk
Mighty Meatwads
WG
Dubai Camel Jockeys
115barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 10:21
A reminder that keepers are due this Thursday by 11:59 pm.

This includes both regular and prospect keepers. Anyone not declaring their keepers before this deadline will be forced to accept their keepers being chosen by me. (So don't be late!)
116Bobo
      ID: 1322779
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 10:27
Do we need to set the same MLB level keepers in Yahoo as well, which has been the practice in past years?
117artofmonk
      ID: 26241214
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 10:48
anyone interested in price?
118barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:05
re 116

Yes...set your keepers on Yahoo as well as on the keeper thread.
119Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:45
<116 118>

If you are interested in putting the "K" on prospect keepers, then you dont need anyone to mark their keepers in Yahoo.
120C1-NRB
      ID: 53211711
      Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 12:11
Adam Eaton and/or Justin Turner both available for high draft picks and/or quality prospects.
121barilko6
      ID: 49220911
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 12:22
Two trades to announce

Barilko trades 4th rounder
Tree trades Dee Gordon, 8th rounder

Barilko trades 5th rounder
WG trades Chris Davis
122barilko6
      ID: 49220911
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 12:23
And WG includes his last round pick in that last deal.
123barilko6
      ID: 49220911
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 12:52
Just a reminder that keepers are due tonight. Make sure to post on the keeper thread AND the Yahoo site.

I have processed the 3 trades completed so far, so Tax and Mudville, you will have your traded players (Stanton and Bogaerts) on your rosters now.
124 thepwa
      ID: 320482612
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 15:42
G. Stanton was placed on Meatwads roster. Should be on Mudville 9.
125 Meatwads
      ID: 401452213
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 16:52
Matt Kemp and Jose Bautista are available for a pick if anyone anyone else is looking to upgrade their keepers before the deadline.
126Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 17:48
trade confirmed.
127Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 20:07
Re: 124

Ah my mistake. Will change that.
128barilko6
      ID: 49220911
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 20:11
Stanton added to Art's roster. Thanks for the heads up.

Final reminder to get those rosters squared away before midnight tonight.

Please mark them on Yahoo as well. That will save me a ton of work tomorrow, as I would have to do them one by one then.
129Bobo
      ID: 37230919
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 20:30
Prospect draft here in a new thread right?
130taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 23:08
Commish (Jack);

#128/124 Pardon my snorkel; Stanton belongs on
Mudville 9 (David Ham) roster
131Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 06:03
Re 129: Yep. Will get that all set up this morning. Will also list all the prospect eligible keepers in that thread as well.

Re:130: Yep. Think I got it right. Haha
132Meatwads
      ID: 45114139
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 08:46
So I posted the message that Bautista and Kemp were available yesterday.

Within 20 minutes I had unexpectedly fallen asleep and didn't wake up until after the deadline! Lol

I even had someone send me an email talking about a good trade. The Meatwads take one on the chin this time.
133barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 08:49
The prospect draft thread has been set up. Draft begins on Monday, if you want to make an early pick, great, but don't feel any pressure to do so.

However...if you do plan on waiting a prolonged time, please just post here and let us know so that we aren't continually checking the progress of the draft.


Keepers are all entered in Yahoo. A huge thank you to those that checked off their keepers in Yahoo, most did, a handful didn't. That saved me a ton of work for those that did.

Lastly...ArtofMonk...I cannot set up the Draftime draft without you signing up. Please sign up man!!!
134GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 09:22
OK, probably not looking in the right spot.
Read all the way through settings.
How many games are required at a position to be eligible?
135Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 09:32
Sorry I didn't declare on Yahoo. You are too quick!

Thanks for all the hard work!
136Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 09:34
As long as the two folks in front of me promise to be boneheads, I can make a pick when I'm up.

If they steal me dude, maybe Monday. ;)
137Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 09:34
Goat - I think Yahoo uses 5 games.
138barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 09:52
From the Yahoo help desk:

Batters need either 5 Games Started or 10 Games Played at a position to gain eligibility. Pitchers need 3 Starts to gain SP eligibility, 5 Relief Appearances to gain RP eligibility.
139Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 10:20


Barilko you are doing an amazing job sir. Thank you for your efforts...

#welloiledmachine
140Bobo
      ID: 15232109
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 10:33
Prospect draft is underway!
141Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 11:05
So did you know I was Dodger fan?
142Bobo
      ID: 15232109
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 11:14
Sorry Bili...can't deny the potential.
143Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 11:17
Agreed.
144GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 11:35
Thanks for the assist.
145barilko6
      ID: 362101012
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 13:11
Hey all...

Just filling out the keepers onto Draftime and Yahoo, and I noticed that Taxman listed one of his keepers as Jose Perez. That was supposed to be Jose Peraza.

I think Jose Perez plays in some unknown seniors softball league with David's player, Mike Stanton.

Adjust your cheat sheets accordingly. Or in last place Bobo's case, adjust your dartboard accordingly!

146Bobo
      ID: 15232109
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 15:03
Yikes, man!

Here is to hoping you can eat those words by September.
147barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 15:57
haha...I hope not!!!

If anyone wants to move down in the prospect draft, I am willing to make a trade for a pick that is coming up soon.
148barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 16:46
TRADE

Permdude trades:
Prospect Draft 1.2
Regular Draft 4.2

Barilko Trades:
Prospect draft 1.8
Regular draft 3.8


When Perm Dude confirms, I will make my prospect pick.

149Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 16:59
Crap.
150barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:00
haha...maybe this is good for you Bili!
151Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:01
I doubt it...
152barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:05
Ah...I will be taking a pitcher, and we all know you dig the long ball!
153Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:07
Okay! Carry on.

As long he's not a dodger...
154barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:09
haha...not a Dodger. I am wondering a little bit if my guy would have been there at 1.8 anyways. Didn't want to take the chance though.
155Perm Dude
      ID: 130432319
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:11
#148: confirmed.
156Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:16
I will point out that 2 of my 3 keepers are pitchers however.
157barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:16
Pick made...fire away Bili!
158barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:40
All the keepers are entered into both Yahoo and Draftime.

I plan to add players to rosters on Yahoo on a regular basis so that you can search there for rankings on available players.

Just keep an eye out on all the prospects. If a guy is there 50 spots after his ADP and he's a rookie or sophomore, double check his status!
159Bean
      ID: 27592412
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 17:56
<138> Did you mean 1.9 prospect? You show 9th pick in the prospect draft thread.
160barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 18:09
Ah yes...1.9 and 3.9 go to Perm Dude. Typo on my part.
161barilko6
      ID: 5921979
      Fri, Mar 10, 2017, 19:23
Just in case...my email is attached to my phone, so if there is any stoppages or issues, an email to me will be quickly returned in most cases.
162Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 13:21

Meatwad Prospect pick Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL---Someone had to do it

Someone had to pick a 16 year old???

Are you rebuilding for 2023?

163Biliruben
      ID: 14271012
      Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 13:30
I was going to do it. Cuz, yeah. I am. ;)
164Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 13:59
Haha. Planning 6 years ahead!!!
165Meatwads
      ID: 45114139
      Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 14:10
Maitan is 17 now, so he's been to second base a time or two.

I just thought he would get picked before my late 2nd rounder and his upside was worthy of my last prospect slot. Obviously I know there are players who could help me quicker who also have upside, just not like him.

I don't think the rules allow for a legitimate attempt at a rebuild through the prospects, so I'll just plan to finish in the top 3 again this year.
166Biliruben
      ID: 24140158
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 00:31
Prospect draft 10 years ago:

Nerve took McCutchen at 1.12

Kershaw falls to Punk all the way down in 2nd round. Probably because he was still only 18.

I got Braun even further down.

"Deleted" Poliboard thread
167Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 02:29

Maitan is 17 now,

Oh sorry...planning for 2022, what was I thinking. ;)

168Meatwads
      ID: 45114139
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 02:34
Biliruben - I'm sure there are several examples over the years of picks people would make differently with hindsight. I have always been a sucker for elite upside. even if I have to be patient, pass on more established prospects and risk a huge bust. If Maitan isn't getting compared to the likes of Miguel Cabrera, Chipper Jones and Miguel Sano, I make the safe pick. I also view Vlad Guerrero Jr. as the next best choice if you're shooting for the moon, so I'm with you on that.

Goatloacker - Nice pick with Jharel Cotton! He was the player I was trying to move up to trade for. I think he has some serious strikeout upside and pitching in Oakland can only help keep his ERA/WHIP is check. I wouldn't even be shocked if he's a real keeper next season.
169Meatwads
      ID: 45114139
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 02:51
Nerve- It's not out of the question that Maitan could be a top 10 pick in fantasy drafts in 2020 at age 20, just like Carlos Correa.

I don't see the connection you keep making between my selection of Maitan and competing this year. Nobody being selected in this draft is going to make or break anyone's season.

Anyway, let's get real here. While Maitan is a potential cornerstone player throughout the 2020's, Hunter Renfroe is going to back in the draft next year, getting picked as someone's 3rd/4th outfielder, if he works out. But at least you are planning for 2017...





170Nerveclinic
      ID: 451181520
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 10:05

The prospect draft strategy seems to have taken a dramatic turn this year... ;)
171artofmonk
      ID: 572301411
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 12:30
I am sorry, can anyone clarify the prospect rules. Reading several of the threads above 30- 45. I am unclear what happens when a player reaches the prospect limits. Can the player be called up to your roster and be sent back down? Do I get to replace the prospect if he called up? Of course if I send him back down I would only be able to ever have 5 prospects.

I also thought Cotton was a great pick.
172Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 13:32

Hey Art I don't think anyone every answered that specific question. Only that you could put him on prospect bench and leave rest of the year once over 300.

There was a poll and I think most people wanted to also be able to move on and off bench that year also, but it was all left blowing in the wind.

Maybe the commish can sift through the poll wreckage before the season starts and make a ruling so we have clear direction.

No-ones fault, just sort of how it has unfolded.



173Biliruben
      ID: 14271012
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 13:44
My understanding is yes we can. Move them on and off, just like last season. Otherwise what's the point, given we are trying to simplify tracking.

No, can only replace once a year during draft.
174C1-NRB
      ID: 479101118
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 13:49
I'm pretty sure it was decided we could up-and-down prospects until they reach the threshold. Once they hit the limit, they have to be on the regular roster (5 or 7 day grace period?) or they are waiver wire free agents.

Sorry for not emailing the group after my last prospect pick; for some reason my gmail doesn't like to teply to Yahoo baseball originated emails. It makes trade talks difficult, to say the least, but I manage.
175Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 13:59
C1-NRB we've always been able to do that. The vote was if we could keep the prospect the rest of the year once they reach 300 ABs.

That passed.

What was a little nebulas was if we could also move on and off roster the rest of the year, and like Bili I think it did but it was never declared with certainty.

Would be nice to have full closure.

176artofmonk
      ID: 572301411
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 14:04
so if I am understanding this correctly. I can move a player up and down until they reach the limit. then they must be called up or they are placed on the WW( within the grace period which might be 5 or 7 days) I like the idea of being able to move a prospect up or down. One the comments that was made referred to the TPKL. Our prospect limits were only checked during the off season, not during the season. In that league we can call a player up at anytime, but we can never send them back down. I am just looking for clarification on the rule. Thanks.
177Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 14:43
I'm tied up for the afternoon. If anyone recalls the change, great! If not I'll read things over tonight.
178Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 17:46

Art

Rule passed that once prospect goes over 300 AB you may keep until the next year. That received 100% of votes so that passed.

During the vote the question was raised can we continue to move between active roster and prospect bench (Like we can before 300 AB 125 pitches), or do you have to keep in one place (Either bench or active roster) to keep until next year.

The reason it is not definitive is the question came up in the middle of the other vote.

It seems to me most of the comments were we should be able to continue to move up and down. So that is the only outstanding question. My position was the rule change wasn't much good unless we can move the player as we can before the limit is reached.



179barilko6
      ID: 62581417
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 18:58
Alright...so it looks like we just need to put this new condition to vote:

A. Allow for prospects to be shuttled back and forth between the prospect and the regular roster.

B. Once prospects have been moved up to the regular roster, they must remain there for the duration of the year, or else be released.

When passed, would this cover the ambiguity?
180 DHamm6500
      ID: 332291222
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 19:17
I like "A"
181Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 19:26
To be clear, I would edit A to:

A. Allow for prospects who have reached the maximum of 300 ABs or 125 innings to be shuttled back and forth between the prospect and the regular roster.

We decided prior to reaching caps that they could be brought up and sent down, right?
182Meatwads
      ID: 401452213
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 19:26
I vote A
183C1-NRB
      ID: 479101118
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 19:39
"A" with biliruben's caveat.
184taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 19:59
I vote A

my view:

I see no difference in Billi's caveat:

restated = after they reach max can be shuttled back/forth and same for prospects before reaching max .. am I missing something?

point being, a Prospect can be moved up/down with out regard to ABs or Innings for entire season
185Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 20:19
Yes. As per our rule, we maintain rights to prospects to then end of the season in which they garner 300 Abs or 115 IP.

So in effect, those players that exceed the limits are still designated prospects until the conclusion of the season which would negate the need for the caveat, no?
186GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 20:54
A
187Biliruben
      ID: 24140158
      Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 23:46
Right. All I was worried about is if we voted it down, we would lose the ability to move up and down before reaching the caps, if we didn't have the caveat.
188Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 02:49

I like A otherwise the new rule doesn't do much.

189Bobo
      ID: 48234158
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 09:34
In favor of A.
190Perm Dude
      ID: 130432319
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 10:32
#185: My understanding (which might be outdated) is that we maintain rights to a prospect who has reached a threshold only so long as we don't try to send him down.

In other words, the call-up is not the question, only trying to stash them when they have gone over the limits, because at that point they are not prospects.

So the rule change is essentially about changing the definition of a "protected prospect" to a player who is on a roster (prospect or active) and who has not passed the prospect thresholds (300 ABs or 125 innings) earlier than the current season. Yes?
191Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 10:46
a
192Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 10:52

At the risk of being rude for bypassing PD's question, I count at least 8 "A" votes. That is a majority in a 14 team league. I motion the commissioner rule the "A" vote passes.

You can keep a prospect for the rest of the year once he goes over 300 AB and 125 IP. You can move him back and forth from prospect bench to active lineup.

At the start of the next season you either make him a keeper or give him up.

193Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 12:45
Re:190. Yes, but that player has to be one of your designated prospect players. (One of your drafted 5 or a player you acquired from another manager's drafted 5)
194Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 13:44


It's 125 IP not 115 by the way...
195Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 14:12
Ah my mistake!
196 DHAMM6500
      ID: 320482612
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 14:36
FYI, I have to leave for the airport in about an hour. I don't want to hold up the last couple of prospect picks, so I gave some choices to Taxman to post for me if need be.

197Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 15:19
I've got you marked down for Mike Potter and Jim Brady. Both under the required limits.
198GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 18:29
Just made my last Prospect pick.
David is up.
199taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 19:21
I picked for David per his instruction .. Tree is up
200barilko6
      ID: 24224165
      Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 06:26
Alright, the draft is started. There is no clock for now, but that might be something we have to revisit if needed.

I've removed most of the players picked in the prospect draft from the available player pool, so there shouldn't be any accidental choices there. There were a few prospects not in the player pool, but most were.

Bobo is on the non-existent clock!
201barilko6
      ID: 24224165
      Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 06:30
As for the current vote for prospects, it looks like A passes as there were no dissenters to that motion.

So all prospects can be shuttled up and down to the regular roster up to the end of their prospect status, which is the last day of the season in which they surpassed 300 ABs or 125 IP.

Following the regular draft, I plan to start a new thread, leading with the newly changed constitution as well as all the prospect players, that way things are easier to find and locate for future use.
202Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 17:56
Hi everyone 2 AM here. 10 picks away from my turn. There is no way to leave a 10 pick cue for my second pick of the draft.

I might wake in the middle of the night but otherwise 7 hours before I pick.

Later in the draft the cue will be easier.

Thanks for you patience #othersideoftheplanet

203Nerveclinic
      ID: 451181520
      Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 21:14
I managed to set an auto pick for my next turn...
204Biliruben
      ID: 14271012
      Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 21:30
Dang. 5 player wiped out. I'll have to dig
205barilko6
      ID: 562302014
      Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 15:30
Bili has more Dodgers than I have Starting Pitchers!
206Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 15:49
Yeah, I have a problem. If I have little chance to win this year, might as well follow my team.

207artofmonk
      ID: 572301411
      Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 13:27
anyway we can get a clock turned on? The draft has moved very well so far, but it should be easier to make picks at this stage. This is not directed at any one manager. I would just like to finish up with this draft we are so close.
208barilko6
      ID: 562302014
      Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 17:38
I do send out emails to managers when there seems to be a lag. Goat is usually pretty quick on his picks, wonder if there's something working against him here.

Let's see how this goes and we can go from there.
209taxman
      ID: 371026520
      Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 22:07
Thanks commish

don't need no stinking clock

never have

never will
212GoatLocker
      ID: 12101417
      Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 14:01
draft is stopped.
Anybody know what is up.
Just came to the car to check things and need to get back to my office.
213Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 09:38

Technical note...the waiver wire has always been the opposite of the draft.

I think the commish has to set it by hand...

You may remember my hand wringing for not using my number two slot to put a waiver in for Aaron Sanchez?

214Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 10:05

I remember 15 + years ago when this league started, we all used to complain about how hard it was to find good players to draft after the first 10-12 rounds or so. (+ the 7 keepers so really like round 17-19)

Now I finish the draft and wonder oh should I have taken him instead? Hmm is there anyone I can drop for him?

I think the research has just gotten so much deeper.

And consider, that was before people even started taking the 300 below AB players and sticking them on the prospect bench.

Times have changed....

215Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 21:27
I was just thinking the opposite. The last 5 rounds are just waiver fodder.
216Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 21:29
Thought experiment: Who will be the best player at the end of the year that was drafted in the last 100 players.
217C1-NRB
      ID: 92521217
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 21:57
I'll play. I've got two; a pitcher and a hitter.

Jerad Eickhoff, P, PHI
Taxman, Pick #134
Eickhoff is in his 26 year old season. His WHIP will be sub-1.2, he'll approach 200 K's, and I think his ERA will closer to 3.00 than 3.50

Melky Cabrera, OF, CHW
C1-NRB, Pick #147
Melky gets overlooked in most traditional leagues. He'll hit +.280 and produce 150 runs. His HR will be in the mid-teens, which isn't terrible. And maube he gets traded to a contender mid-season. I'll take that in "Round 19."
218barilko6
      ID: 212292621
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 22:34
Waivers re-ordered and set. Everyone double check to make sure I've got it right.

219barilko6
      ID: 212292621
      Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 22:38
Not including my own guys (Who would take up the top 6 or so spaces on this list if included!), I would say I like Carlos Gomez, Brandon Drury, and also Eickhoff.
220Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 08:22
Who will be the best player at the end of the year that was drafted in the last 100 players.

at year's end, i think we're going to see a few catchers on this list.
221Nerveclinic
      ID: 29111311
      Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 10:19


To your point about last 5 rounds being waiver fodder.

Yeah maybe not the best players but I meant in a 14 team keeper league, at least I still had a decent que of "fodder" left at the end of the draft.

Last 5 rounds I liked (in the context of a 15 team league) ...


Rd 18 Profar and Eickhoff
Rd 19 Cron, Lance Lynn, Yadier Molina, Rupp, Garret Richards
Rd 20 Orlando Arcia (Keeper league) Daniel Hudson (before mentioned closer)
Rd 21 SP’s Morton and Finnegan decent end of draft SP's with upside.
Rd 22 Bunch of decent relievers that could end up closing. Capps, Treinen, Cabrera and I was happy getting Folty



222barilko6
      ID: 562302014
      Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 14:27
I actually had a few guys left in my queue as well....easily could have filled 2 more rounds without thinking.

But I do like that this is a 14 team league, as that changes the parameters a bit.
223Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 00:09
It will be interesting to revisit this at the end of the season. I'm sure there will be a guy or 3 that surprise. I'm not sure it's worth the wasteland that the available current FAs, however. Not a single pickup yet??!
224barilko6
      ID: 11242296
      Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 07:42
Bili...you need to look again man! There have been 2 pickups already before you posted that.
225Nerveclinic
      ID: 451181520
      Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 03:56
Bili I a,currently struggling with 2 players I would like to add but not sure who to drop. There is talent there.

Monty
226Barilko6
      ID: 4427919
      Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 07:46
I'm the same. I have to add Oh and Healy and not sure who I can drop. If anyone wants a 2-1 or 3-2 trade let me know and we can discuss!!!
227barilko6
      ID: 562302014
      Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 16:31
We have our first in-season trade in the books:

Ian Kennedy and Ender Inciarte
for
Dallas Keuchel.

Let the season begin!
228Biliruben
      ID: 51147129
      Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 21:08
Of course there is talent. If we wanted to have every talented (but currently below useless fantasy-wise) player on our rosters we would need to expand to 100 slots.

Stupid. Why not just do away with FAs entirely and draft all the major and minor leaguers.

Wait. We pretty much have.
229Seattle Zen
      ID: 463201810
      Tue, Apr 18, 2017, 16:41
Last year's Mike Trout for Jose Fernandez and Starling Marte is looking even more savvy! Sorry about that Goatlocker.
230barilko6
      ID: 562302014
      Wed, Apr 19, 2017, 08:25
Man, that's a tough deal. Not sure why anyone would trade Trout though...

That being said, I might have panicked a bit and I blew up my team last night with a bunch of waiver adds.

Need to get something going, and I compare these moves to when the team leader goes over to the bats and throws them all over the place to shake the bad out of them.

Go Team!
231Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Thu, Apr 20, 2017, 10:47
Last year's Mike Trout for Jose Fernandez and Starling Marte is looking even more savvy!

i was thinking about this when i saw the news about Marte. this will definitely go down as one of those deals that turned out worse than anyone could have imagined.

that being said, i'm now nervous that we jinxed all three players, and Trout is obviously next.
232Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Wed, May 31, 2017, 12:17
that being said, i'm now nervous that we jinxed all three players, and Trout is obviously next.

DAMNIT.
233barilko6
      ID: 5753596
      Fri, Jun 09, 2017, 07:35
Man, it seems like its been a crazy year for injuries. My top 5 starting pitchers and 2 stud 1b are all on the DL for me right now.

I am guessing part of this is due to the new 10 day DL, but still....ouch

Maybe we consider adding another DL spot, or is 3 enough for everyone?
234nerveclinic
      ID: 3650137
      Thu, Jun 15, 2017, 13:04
"Man, it seems like its been a crazy year for injuries. My top 5 starting pitchers and 2 stud 1b are all on the DL for me right now.

I am guessing part of this is due to the new 10 day DL, but still....ouch

Maybe we consider adding another DL spot, or is 3 enough for everyone?"

Agreed its the 10 day DL and given that major change to baseball I agree we should add at least one more slot next year given its a keeper league.
235Barilko6
      ID: 29536166
      Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 07:37
I've got 10 guys that are either on the DL or DTD, so I don't know if one extra spot would help me anyways. Ugh.
236Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 11:30
I think adding an additional DL slot is appropriate, given how teams are using the 10 day DL.

Now if we could just have one DL spot in RIBC.
237C1-NRB
      ID: 304521822
      Sun, Jun 25, 2017, 08:48
My bad on Berrios. He's gone before accumulating any stats.
238Nerveclinic
      ID: 53715255
      Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 06:15
For some reason I thought he had been around a while. The bad news is I used him one game. The good news is he went 0-4.
239Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 10:12
Grats Meatwads.

Thanks for running things Barilko.
240Meatwads
      ID: 5863742
      Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 18:59
Thank you Bean, I appreciate it.

It was a fun year and definitely not an easy league to win, so I feel a sense of accomplishment since this is my first Poli League title.

Special shout out to Dubai and WG for your consistent success over the years. For those who don't know, Dubai has finished in the top 3 for 7 STRAIGHT SEASONS, including 2 titles. WG has finished in the top 2 for 4 of the last 5 seasons, including 2 titles.



241barilko6
      ID: 15945511
      Thu, Oct 05, 2017, 12:45
Congrats Meatwads! Nicely done! Good season everyone, no drama and everyone playing nice!
242Nerveclinic
      ID: 3957149
      Sat, Oct 14x, 2017, 10:59

Hey Meatwads I said it on the league page but this was a really impressive win and I am in other leagues with you and you are consistently competitive. Really cool to see you win here.
243Meatwads
      ID: 5863742
      Sat, Oct 14x, 2017, 20:12
Thanks Nerveclinic, I appreciate the kind words and recognition. I really enjoy the competition the league brings. Looking forward to next season and trying my best to defend the title.
244barilko6
      ID: 28117411
      Mon, Dec 04, 2017, 12:07
I wonder how Yahoo will approach a dual position player such as Ohtani with their fantasy platforms.

Who owns this elite prospect??
245C1-NRB
      ID: 490959
      Fri, Jan 05, 2018, 10:10
So two Ohtanis will exist in Yahoo. Which one do you own/want?
If you want both, is that two prospect slots?
Who decides if he takes up two slots? League vote?
246barilko6
      ID: 47058812
      Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 13:58
Yes...we need to discuss that. Since I own Ohtani, I feel its best if someone else starts the conversation.

That being said...are there any managers that are thinking about not returning at all?
247artofmonk
      ID: 540141715
      Wed, Jan 17, 2018, 16:20
I am planning on being back.
248barilko6
      ID: 140111813
      Thu, Jan 18, 2018, 14:11
Awesome to hear Art!
249Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Jan 24, 2018, 14:57
In
250 barilko6
      ID: 852470-7
      Wed, Jan 24, 2018, 17:02
Emails went out today. If you didn't get one, let me know.
251Nerveclinic
      ID: 53715255
      Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 08:11
I don't know about Yahoo but CBS has already said they are treating him as a special player. On days he pitches you get his pitching stats, on days he gives hitting stats.

Works great in a daily league because you can move him in and out of position, but in weekly leagues you effectively have to pick one or the other each week.

I don't see how we can require 2 prospect slots at this point. He is a special case so Barilko got a special deal.

252Meatwads
      ID: 43056268
      Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 09:59
I know it's still early, but I have Josh Donaldson and Anthony Rendon at third base, as well as Rafael Devers coming up from my minors once the season starts.

Since we start two utility spots every day, it's not the end of the world. However, I would be interested in discussing a need for need trade, if anyone has an equal level keeper at a different position (Probably 2B or SS).

If I can't find a match, I'll just keep them all and maybe try again during the season.
253Meatwads
      ID: 43056268
      Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 10:04
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/shohei-ohtanis-status-yahoo-fantasy-baseball-012323575.html
254Nerveclinic
      ID: 53715255
      Sat, Jan 27, 2018, 15:44

Well Yahoo is different then CBS he will be 2 separate players so it does create a league dilemma how to handle Bariko's keeper...
255Nerveclinic
      ID: 53715255
      Tue, Feb 06, 2018, 07:01

OK so I will start the Ohtanis convo since Bark, the commish is recusing himself since he owns the player.

Here's my opinion.

1) Yahoo is making Ohtani two separate players. You can draft him as a pitcher and you can draft him as a hitter. You cannot have him as one player that does both.
They explained this as a simple matter of how the programming in their system is set.

2) Bark Owns Ohtani as a prospect.

I really see two questions. Is he allowed to have both Ohtani's? Or does he have to pick one?

If he keeps both, does it use 1 or 2 prospect slots.

I feel that he was the smart one that grabbed him, he should have the right to decide if he wants both. (No way around it if he does this he will have to use two roster spots for this, that is a Yahoo rule)

I also feel that Whatever he decides, including keeping both, it should only be one prospect slot. I just don't see why he should have to use two slots.

So those are my thoughts.

So here is what I think we need to vote on, anyone else with any additional issues please chime in.

1 Does Bark get both Ohtonis if he wants them? Or does he have to pick one? I vote both

2 Does he take up 1 or 2 prospect slots. I vote 1

Bark did I forget anything?

256barilko6
      ID: 314367
      Tue, Feb 06, 2018, 08:43
I think that looks right Nerve. And whether I owned him or not, I pretty much agree with everything you've stated.

Its important to note, that if an Ohtani owner chooses to release the hitter or pitcher half of him, he can still retain the other half, and the released half is a free agent from there on in.

Confusing enough?!?
257artofmonk
      ID: 22135610
      Tue, Feb 06, 2018, 11:35
1-Both

Voting on 2 really depends on number 1. If it is determined that he gets both, it should count as two prospects or two players. If he only gets one side of Ontani he only counts as 1 prospect.
258Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Feb 07, 2018, 00:28
This league is very messy when it comes to promotion, because you have rights to move the player back and forth between prospect and regular roster.

What is the proposal related to this?
259Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Feb 07, 2018, 00:28
This league is very messy when it comes to promotion, because you have rights to move the player back and forth between prospect and regular roster.

What is the proposal related to this?
260Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Feb 07, 2018, 14:17
Any dates for big events...keeper designation, start of draft etc?
261Nerveclinic
      ID: 53715255
      Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 13:03
Trade Announcement

Nerve trades Carlos Carrasco, Andrew Benintendi and his 3rd round pick to Bariklo for Mookie Betts and his 6th round pick.

262Barilko
      ID: 11139185
      Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 06:39
Confirmed.
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