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Subject: 2020 Political Baseball League - Pre-Season

Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 15:51

________________________________________
The Poli Baseball League Constitution

Rule Changes
In order for a new rule or rule change to pass, we need a majority the league (not voters) to vote yes. This is currently 8 of 14. The manager who proposes the rule should make a reasonable effort to publicize that there is a vote going on. If a majority do not vote for the proposal within a week, the proposal fails.

Yahoo Baseball
7 keepers; No more than 5 prospect keepers
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period
Trade Deadline - Closest Sunday to August 31st
Trade Review - League Votes
Supplemental draft picks may be traded

Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Max IP - 1400
Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases
(SB), On Base Percentage (OBP)
Pitchers Categories: Quality Starts (QS), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average
(ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

MLB Supplemental Draft
Draft Utility - Draftime
Player must be in the Yahoo database at the time he is picked in the
supplemental draft.
No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings

Prospect Draft & Rules
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings
To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
You can retain up to 5 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 8 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over.
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc.

Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until the end of the season in which they exceeded the stated prospect limits. As with our new rule, managers can keep prospects for the entire season in which they exceed their stated prospect level limits. So, if your prospect hits the limit in May, you may still hold his rights as a prospect until the beginning of the following season. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.

Prospect rights may be traded.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft.
You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 5 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft

Poli League Trophy Case
2001 Toral
2003 Baldwin
2004 Skanks 4 Bush
2005 Baldwin
2006 1625 K St Allstars
2007 Biliruben
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 Nerveclinic
2012 GO
2013 WG
2014 GO
2015 WG
2016 Nerveclinic
2017 Meatwads
2018 Meatwads/Nerveclinic
2019 WG

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 15:52

This is the list of prospect-eligible players currently rostered. Let me know if you see an error:

Art of Monk Christian Pache OF ATL 0 AB
Art of Monk Estevan Florial OF NYY 0 AB
Art of Monk Touki Toussaint RHP ATL 70.2 IP
Art of Monk Triston McKenzie RHP CLE 0.0 IP
Bean Bobby Witt SS KC 0 AB
Bean Diego Cartaya C LAD 0 AB
Bean Michael Kopech RHP CHW 14.1 IP
Bean Nick Gordon SS MIN 0 AB
Biliruben Gavin Lux SS/2B LAD 75 AB
Biliruben Luis Urias 2B/SS SD 263 AB
Biliruben Royce Lewis SS MIN 0 AB
Biliruben Wander Franco SS TB 0 AB
Bobo A. J. Puk LHP OAK 11.1 IP
Bobo Alex Kirilloff OF MIN 0 AB
Bobo Franklin Perez RHP DET 0.0 IP
Bobo Hunter Greene RHP CIN 0.0 IP
Bobo Yusniel Diaz OF BAL 0 AB
C1-NRB Andrew Daschbach 1B BAL 0 AB
C1-NRB Jackson Rutledge P WAS 0.0 IP
C1-NRB John Rhodes INF UK 0 AB
C1-NRB Luis Robert OF CHW 0 AB
C1-NRB Sixto Sanchez SP PHI 0.0 IP
David Brendan McKay 1B TB 49.0 IP 10 AB
David Forrest Whitley RHP HOU 0.0 IP
David Jarred Kelenic OF SEA 0 AB
David Jesus Luzardo LHP OAK 12.0 IP
David Jonathon India 3B CIN 0 AB
David Logan Allen LHP SD 27.2 IP
David Sean Murphy C OAK 53 AB
Goatlocker Brent Honeywell RHP TB 0.0 IP
Goatlocker Carter Kieboom SS WAS 39 AB
Goatlocker Jesus Sanchez OF TB 0 AB
Goatlocker Jorge Mateo SS 2B NYY 0 AB
Goatlocker Justus Sheffield LHP NYY 38.2 IP
Goatlocker Ke'Bryan Hayes 3B PIT 0 AB
Goatlocker Mackenzie Gore LHP SD 0.0 IP
Goatlocker Mitch Keller RHP PIT 48.0 IP
Joe Alex Reyes RHP STL 53.0 IP
Joe Casey Mize RHP DET 0.0 IP
Joe Colin Poche RP TB 51.2 IP
Joe Dylan Cease RHP CHW 73.0 IP
Joe Luis Patino RHP SD 0 AB
Joe Nate Pearson RHP TOR 0.0 IP
Joe Seranthony Dominguez RP PHI 24.2 IP
Joe Vidal Brujan 2B TB 0 AB
Meatwads George Valera OF CLE 0 AB
Meatwads Luis Garcia INF WAS 0 AB
Meatwads Marco Luciano SS SF 0 AB
Meatwads Nate Lowe 1B TB 152 AB
Meatwads Taylor Trammell OF CIN 0 AB
Meatwads Xavier Edwards SS SD 0 AB
Nerveclinic Brendan Rodgers SS 2B COL 76 AB
Nerveclinic Franchy Cordero OF SD 246 AB
Nerveclinic Jazz Chisholm SS ARI 0 AB
Nerveclinic Josh James SP HOU 84.1 IP
Nerveclinic Kyle Wright RHP ATL 25.2 IP
Nerveclinic Trevor Larnach OF MIN 0 AB
Perm Dude Adrian Morejon SP SD 8.0 IP
Perm Dude Bo Bichette SS TOR 196 AB
Perm Dude Francisco Mejia C SD 295 AB
Perm Dude Joey Bart C SF 0 AB
Perm Dude Leody Taveras OF TEX 0 AB
Perm Dude Nick Madrigal 2B CWS 0 AB
Perm Dude Nolan Jones 3B CLE 0 AB
Phil Corbin Burnes RHP MIL 87.0 IP
Phil Corey Ray OF MIL 0 AB
Phil Jordan Hicks RP STL 106.1 IP
Phil Miguel Amaya C CHC 0 AB
Phil Nico Hoerner SS CHC 78 AB
Phil Victor-Victor Mesa OF MIA 0 AB
Taxman Alec Bohm 3B PHI 0 AB
Taxman Austin Hayes OF BAL 128 AB
Taxman Austin Riley 3B ATL 274 AB
Taxman Ian Anderson RHP ATL 0.0 IP
Taxman Kristian Robinson OF ARI 0 AB
Taxman Kyle Tucker OF HOU 131 AB
WG A.J. Minter RP ATL 105.2 IP
WG Adley Rutschman C BAL 0 AB
WG Andrew Vaughn 1B CHW 0 AB
WG Jo Adell OF LAA 0 AB
WG Jose Alvarado RP TB 123.2 IP
WG Nolan Gorrman 3B STL 0 AB

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 15:54

This is last years final standings:

1. WG
2. Mighty Meatwads
3. The Sycamores
4. GoatLockers Goons
5. Nerve Clinic
6. Tax Rules
7. Black Death Returns
8. Mudville 9
9. Bean's Senators
10. bili-cruisin'
11. artofmonk
12. Fightin' Amish
13. DustStorm Troopers
14. Beer City Bobo

Draft Order Is reverse of finish.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 15:55

This is a list of the trades from last year involving a pick in 2020. The bracketed number is the reference from last year’s thread:

<159> Black Death Returns sends 2020 prospect draft last pick
The Sycamores sends 2020 prospect draft 2nd pick.

<162> WG sends 2020 prospect draft last pick
The Sycamores sends 2020 prospect draft 3rd pick

<164> Black Death Returns sends 2020 regular draft last pick
The Sycamores sends 2020 regular draft 4th pick.

<175> Bobo sends 2020 regular draft 12th pick
The Sycamores sends 2020 regular draft 3rd pick

<178> Meatwads sends 2020 regular draft 6th pick
Bili-cruisin sends 2020 regular draft 10th pick

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 15:57

This is our current proposed schedule for the pre-season:

09 MAR ALL KEEPERS DUE
10 MAR BEGIN Prospect Draft (in Rotoguru thread)
13 MAR TARGET END Prospect Draft
14 MAR TARGET BEGIN MLB Draft (Draftime)
24 MAR TARGET END MLB Draft
26 MAR Start of Season

- There is no need to mark your keepers in Yahoo.
- I’ll be starting a keeper thread soon.
- I’ll start a Prospect Draft Thread once I have everyone’s keepers.
- I have renewed the league at Draft Time, make sure you have it in your active draft list. You will need to log in there to confirm, so lets make sure we all remember our log on and password. I can help you with login, but only site admin can help you with password.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 16:19

Just as a reminder, Yahoo treats Pitchers who also serve as hitters as two different players. If you draft one of these players as a prospect, you will retain rights to the player as both hitter and pitcher until the declaration of keepers, the season that he no longer is prospect eligible in either category. At that time you may keep both but will have to use two Keeper slots.

So, as time goes on, it may be that one of these players has two different owners. One owner has rights to the Hitter, the other the Pitcher.

If Yahoo were to some day merge ownership of the two. Whomever had the rights longer would get the rights of the merged player.

Ohtani (Hitter) is currently owned by Beer City Bobo, who drafted him in 2019. Ohtani (Pitcher) is currently owned by Black Death Returns, who added him as a free agent during the 2019 season. Therefore, Bobo would retain rights if Yahoo were to merge ownership in the future.

Another player of note is prospect Brendan McKay of TB, who is currently owned by Mudville 9. Yahoo currently has this player as both a hitter and pitcher.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 16:23

Hopefully I have now given you all the info you need to help you plan for this pre-season. If you have any issues with what I posted or have further questions, let me know. You may post here, or send me an e-mail using the blue link.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 16:25

Oh, and for those who are inclined, now would be a good time to discuss any proposed rule changes.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 18:50

Thanks, Bean. Sadly, I think Urias is over the limit for me. Happy to be wrong.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 18:57

<8> Luis Urias has 263 career MLB ABs. (under 300)
Julio Urias has 184.0 career MLB IPs. (under 125)

So, to dispel any confusion, Luis is prospect eligible, Julio is not. You own both.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 22:09

Sweet. I love being wrong like that. It wasn't the urias vs urias confusion, fyi. I was looking at PAs, not ABs.

Still wrong.

GoatLocker
ID: 481111410
Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 16:18

Prospect Keepers listed below.

Brent Honeywell RHP TB 0.0 IP
Carter Kieboom SS WAS 39 AB
Ke'Bryan Hayes 3B PIT 0 AB
Mackenzie Gore LHP SD 0.0 IP
Mitch Keller RHP PIT 48.0 IP

Other 3 go back into draft.

GL

Joe
ID: 1915548
Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 17:08

Black Death Returns will retain the following prospects:

Casey Mize
Nate Pearson
Luis Patino
Vidal Brujan

The remainder will be placed back in the draft pool.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 16:57

Biliruben Gavin Lux SS/2B LAD 75 AB
Biliruben Luis Urias 2B/SS SD 263 AB
Biliruben Royce Lewis SS MIN 0 AB
Biliruben Wander Franco SS TB 0 AB

Keeping all I can!! I love them so.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 17:43

Not sure how this got going, but there is no need to declare keepers yet. Are you guys offering these guys up or what?

Joe
ID: 1915548
Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 18:36

I can only speak for myself, but unless there are massive changes in the next week or so I just figured I'd get posting over with. My other 4 prospects from last year (Reyes, Poche, Dominguez and Cease) are all available for trade.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 10:38

Sorry to jump the gun, Bean.

I read:

"- I’ll start a Prospect Draft Thread once I have everyone’s keepers."

and saw everyone posting, and thought it was the cool thing to do.

But sure, all my players are always available for the right trade!

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 11:10

Oh, OK I see how that could be misinterpreted. So, to clarify <4> above...

Soon, I will start a thread for keepers. You'll declare both regular keepers and prospect keepers there. You need not declare them anywhere else. The keeper thread is ONLY for your keeper list. It is not a place for discussion of your keepers, offers of trades or anything else. Keep that discussion in this thread.

Once everyone has declared keepers in the keeper thread, I will start a thread for the prospect draft. That thread will include ONLY the picks. No discussion of any kind. If you feel the need to discuss picks or offer trades or tell us that someone drafted an ineligible player, then do it in this thread.

During the prospect draft I will enter regular keepers in Draft Time. After the prospect draft I will enter your prospects in Draft Time. After that, the regular draft will start at Draft Time. You will not post anything at Draft Time except your picks, even if it were possible to post something at Draft Time. If you have a comment or trade offer or a concern about the draft, post it in this thread.

Hope nobody is confused now. If you are, you can reply here.

Once the season starts, many will move their conversations to the Yahoo League message system, because many owners ghost this forum then. I will check both places, along with my e-mail. So if you have to contact me it shouldn't be hard.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 01:22

Honestly, I just didn't read carefully enough. The dates were pretty clear.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 01:22

Honestly, I just didn't read carefully enough. The dates were pretty clear.

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 03:02

Determined these are my 10 best players (no particular order). I'm looking to package them in 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deals, until I have 7 left that fit well together.
Anthony Rendon, 3B, LAA
Gleyber Torres, 2B/SS, NYY
Josh Bell, 1B, PIT
Chris Sale, SP, BOS
Adalberto Mondesi, SS, KC
Shane Bieber, SP, CLE
Michael Conforto, OF, NYM
J.D. Martinez, OF, BOS
Rhys Hoskins, 1B, PHI
Luis Severino, SP, NYY

Available for a pick upgrade, supplemental or prospect.
Joey Gallo, OF, TEX
Brandon Woodruff, SP, MIL
Josh Donaldson, 3B, MIN
Byron Buxton, OF, MIN
Madison Bumgarner, SP, ARI
Brad Hand, RP, CLE

Prospects available. I'd throw them into deals as sweeteners, trade them for other prospects, or for picks.
Xavier Edwards, SS, TB
Taylor Trammell, OF, SD
Nate Lowe, 1B, TB
George Valera, OF, CLE
Luis Garcia, SS, WSH

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 09:57

I've started a keeper thread.

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Sun, Mar 01, 2020, 05:18

Good morning all.

If anyone wants to look to trade for a keeper like Contreras (catcher), send me an email: teo3402@yahoo.com.

Looking to acquire a prospect & mlb pick for him.

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 01, 2020, 13:14

Have a few extra hitters for 5 or 6 keeper slots. Anyone in need? Will consider any 2 for 1 or 3 for 1.

Jose Altuve, 2B
Aaron Judge, OF
Kris Bryant, 3B/OF
Paul Goldschmidt, 1B
Eloy Jimenez, OF
Jorge Soler, OF
Carlos Correa, SS
Yasmani Grandal, C

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 01, 2020, 15:50

TRADE

WG gets Mike Trout
Phil gets Eloy Jimenez, Kris Bryant, Jorge Soler, Nolan Gorman (p)

Is there a trade review for this? Should Phil and I hold off on posting/updating keepers?

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Sun, Mar 01, 2020, 16:09

Confirmed.

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 00:10

Re post 3
Upon rechecking, I believe I acquired Phil’s p3 outright in our trade last year, and didn’t send back my last p. Are we not allowed to exceed 8?

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 09:30

Same with the trade from 159

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 10:41

<26> I do not recall ANYONE having more than 8 prospects at the end of the expansion draft (5 before we expanded to 8). My memory is suspect, but I also DO recall people having more than 8 during the season (5 before we expanded to 8).

If you have evidence that I am wrong, please point to it. However, this is exactly the kind of BS I was trying to stop in the past, I am not AT ALL in favor of twisting the intent of the rules to gain advantage. You get 7 keepers and 5 prospect keepers, you have a roster of 22, and start the season with 8 prospects. I point you to <107> http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=basest&thread=8097&last=1550787924

The KISS principal applies.

So, lacking evidence to the contrary, this wont be allowed, unless someone proposes a rule and gets it passed with a majority, to have it take effect NEXT season.

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 11:10

Not sure what I said is eliciting this type of reaction, but the difference in s and p is that s relates to a finite number; active roster slots. It makes sense for an s pick to include a corresponding late s because we all need to complete a full roster coming out of the s draft. The same is not true for p draft as far as I know. The post you referenced relates to s, right? It’s the same as how you can trade a p pick in g20 without necessarily getting one back, because you are not required to have a certain amount of p at any time like you are s.

Simple to me is if I trade for someone’s 3rd round P without ever discussing or posting that I am sending back my last P, it’s because that is not a part of the deal. Not sure why or how you are pointing to this as a method of subverting any rules, intent, or decorum.

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 11:18

In any event, if never exceeding 8 is an actual rule or one that is believed or understood by all, its fine.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 14:07

<29> ALL teams are entitled to EXACTLY 8 prospects by the end of the prospect draft. NO TEAM will be allowed to have any number other than eight prospects at the end of the prospect draft. If you think you have a clever way to work around that rule, forget it, you won't be allowed to pull that BS off.

I don't know how to say this any clearer, but if you have a legitimate question to ask about this policy, please ask. Otherwise, lets put this to rest.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 14:17

<26> Go to the Yahoo league; look at the draft results in 2019. I believe you will see no team with more than 8 players with a "K" next to them. You may see less than 8 if someone drafted a prospect who did not appear as one of the available players in Yahoo.

I am pretty certain you will see the same in draft results in any year I was commish.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 14:22

<29> It’s the same as how you can trade a p pick in g20 without necessarily getting one back, because you are not required to have a certain amount of p at any time like you are s.

This isn't G20, isn't that league having alot of trouble?

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 14:49

<24> In yahoo, during the season, we have a 48 hour trade protest vote deadline. There has never been a written rule for pre-season trades, but I apply the 48 hour rule by exception. I am sure that I have brought it up before, but nobody has taken the discussion seriously, since, thankfully, trade objections are rare.

The only scenario I see as a potential issue is a mid-draft trade. A trade is made, a few managers make it an issue, and the whole draft could potentially get messed up as a result. The simplest rule to eliminate this issue is to make trades during the draft impossible, but this league has a tradition of allowing them.

So, I might as well tell you what I think now. I think that if you trade a pick, and your trade partner uses that pick, then later the trade is nullified, then you should be required to keep the player he drafted, with no claim to a re-draft. Call it a cost of doing business during the draft. Any other outcome is just work for the commish, who doesn't want the job anyway.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 19:51

I think a manager simply continues to draft until they have 8. We've played that you can have as many as you want during the season, just gotta pair to 5 upon declaration of keepers. At least that's how I recall things always working (with lower, more reasonable numbers in the past, but I'm not going to refight that fight).

Is that how everyone else views it?

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 20:41

<35> We kinda beat this to death in the 2018 thread <12-26>. Take a look.

On another note, one manager sent me an e-mail for rule clarification. Here's the gist of what I told him:

If you have a prospect from 2019, that is not prospect eligible in 2020, you may keep him as a regular keeper in 2020. This prospect player did not need to be on your Yahoo roster at the end of 2019 to retain rights in 2020.

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Tue, Mar 03, 2020, 05:29

Going off of Bean’s last post.

I had Cavan Biggio as a prospect last year and unfortunately he doesn’t qualify as a prospect anymore by 20 a bats.

I’m going to keep him though.

Joe
ID: 1915548
Tue, Mar 03, 2020, 09:00

Black Death Trade Availability

If you're interested prior to the keeper deadline, let me know if you might want any of the following:

Tyler Glasnow
Zac Gallen
Frankie Montas
Carlos Carrasco
Amed Rosario

I'm primarily looking for draft picks in return, so email me if interested!
Joe

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 00:01

At the risk of inciting something:

I went through the previous few Poli threads and it's true that no one appears to have ever made an extra (9th or 6th) pick in a prospect draft. P-picks have been traded frequently but always in an even exchange.

Having said that, the rules above don't contain the language from post 31 ("ALL teams are entitled to EXACTLY 8 prospects by the end of the prospect draft. NO TEAM will be allowed to have any number other than eight prospects at the end of the prospect draft"), and I don't believe this has ever been explicitly stated before now. Surely, then, you can see why it wasn't clear, and why I asked for the rules clarification in the first place. If not, agree to disagree.

So, not trying to pull any BS or twist the intent of rules. Just a manager who has been playing since 2013 and genuinely didn't know that acquiring an additional P-pick was prohibited. Also, fully onboard with memorializing the 31 language formally.

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 00:03

Moving on, shopping Aaron Judge for someone a bit less risky. Would consider Judge for an s1 and a SP, or paired with one of my other guys (Goldschmidt, Altuve, Correa) for an upgrade.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 11:32

<39> Most of us are in several leagues, each with unique rulesets. It is inevitable that we confuse rules between leagues when we rely on our memory, and have to rely on written rules, and precedence.

It seems every time we attempt to clarify rules, it only addresses the issue of the day, but doesn't address the next controversy. The process is flawed at best.

I encourage suggestions for proper wording in any of the rules above. This input is perhaps best from new managers who are trying to comprehend the rules, but anyone's input is welcome.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 12:22

We now have a keeper submission from 12 of the 14 managers. Thank you for your attention. The following have yet to list their keepers:

artofmonk
Perm Dude

Deadline is 9 MAR, 11:59 PDT. I erroneously posted the deadline as PST, but, to my surprise, daylight saving starts this weekend. So, I believe that gives you one hour less to get this done (spring forward, fall back, carry the one, rule of 9s, Pythagorean theorem, Doppler effect, Heisenberg's uncertainty principal etc. carefully applied).

In any case, time is running out.

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 12:55

Confirming Kirby Yates to Craig for a 2-4 swap

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 14:06

Contreras/Brandon Lowe/Benintendi are available for a draft pick.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 14:58

<43> Was trying to figure out what you were confirming, when there was no initial post of the trade in this thread. Then I saw the trade announced in the keeper thread.

Although I enjoy a mystery movie now and then, this sort of thing is not fun for me. Please, please, please use the keeper threads and the prospect draft threads ONLY for posting your keepers and prospect picks respectively. I dont want to wade through any tangential information there, and if its important information, I can easily fail to record it if you post it in those threads. Everything else goes in this thread, that especially includes sales pitches, got it?

Your cooperation will make this far less of a chore for me, and leave me in a far better mood. My wife, dog and cat thank you in advance.

C1-NRB
ID: 224769
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 15:37

My bad. I was back and forth between this one and the Keeper thread and lost track of which one I was in.

I will go in and self edit/delete it from there and post it her for posterity.

C1-NRB
ID: 224769
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 15:41

Trade announcement (previously confirmed in <43>):

DustStorm Troopers trades:
Second round pick
to
WG for:
Kirby Yates and fourth round pick

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 15:43

thanks

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 17:59

Anyone want Aaron Judge? Looking for a SP.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 19:21

I have brought this up before, but I feel like it deserves revisiting. I believe we should institute a minimum games played rule of some kind to ensure managers are staying engaged throughout the season.

As it is, there is actually an incentive to ignore your team if you are in a rebuilding mode. It is absurdly easy to improve your next season's draft position by just not maintaining a full lineup every day. Ignore your team completely and that will just happen with no effort. Worse yet, if you intentionally field less than a full lineup, you can maximize the chance that you finish last, and get the top pick each round in the following season.

This behavior (not fielding a full lineup), even if not intentional, results in skewed results in the standings. Moreover, in the worst case, we may even crown the wrong champion. I think its a safe bet that our tied championship a couple years ago would have had a different outcome if all managers were required to play full lineups.

We certainly can speculate what this intentional or unintentional sandbagging has on the top of the standings. However, you don't have to look past a comparison of Games Played and Innings Pitched vs Order of Finish to accept that the wrong teams are getting the greatest benefit from draft order parity tradition. Here's last year's standings:

FINISH-GP-IP

01-1597-1410
02-1562-1362
03-1506-1342
04-1486-1308
05-1524-1376
06-1537-1124
07-1478-1429
08-1503-1456
09-1580-1331
10-1564-757
11-1451-930
12-1437-1139
13-1469-859
14-1545-951

The correlation of finish to GP/IP is undeniable even at first glance. Intuitively we all know that counting stats are the driver of this, and most of us really didn't even have to look at the numbers to know what we'd see.

The G20 league recognized this problem years ago. They instituted a process of checking peoples lineups daily to make sure people were starting full lineups every day. This was incredibly labor intensive. I suggested a simple penalty system for not meeting minimum GP and IP that met with a lot of resistance initially. Since I left that league, the majority of owners have resisted attempts to remove that rule with enthusiasm. I think they like it. I run the G20 Hoops league that uses the same system, and all seem to like it there. Last year not a single manager out of 20 failed to meet minimum GP as a result, and a few managers say they actually are more engaged now, even when they are out of the running for the cash.

So, what do you think:

A) It aint broke, dont need to fix it.
B) It's broke, but GP/IP minimums is not the way to fix it.
C) Tell me more about the system used in G20 Baseball and G20 Hoops.

Joe
ID: 1915548
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 21:40

I'll go with option C - I'd like to hear more, though I'd say more for 2021 if it's implemented.

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 21:41

Trade Announcement

Black Death trades:
Tyler Glasnow, SP, TB
Pick 7.08 (regular draft)

Meatwads trades:
Pick 3.13 (regular draft)

Joe
ID: 1915548
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 21:43

Confirmed trade between Black Death Returns and Meatwads.

taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 21:44

dhamm6500
ID: 39254620
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 21:54

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 22:06

Meatwads Trade Block

Chris Sale
Michael Conforto
Rhys Hoskins
Josh Donaldson
Brandon Woodruff
Joey Gallo
Brad Hand

Open to pick upgrades in either draft or a prospect I like.

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 22:27

- Every team got between 1437-1597 GP.
- The gap between 757-1456 IP seems like the bigger issue.
- It shouldn't be possible for one team to have nearly 700 innings less than someone else.
- A gap that wide in IP is definitely having an impact on the outcome.
- I'm all for a GP and IP minimum, as long as they aren't so high that rebuilding teams need to change their long term plans to reach them.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 23:50

Since I am the one you are targeting, I guess I need to address this.

I always run light on pitchers. I focus on hitters, and if I'm in it, I trade for old nag starters or I stream. That's my strategy. That's always been my strategy. I've won the league 3 times with it. Since y'all have insisted on bloating our benches and prospects, it may no longer be a viable strategy with no FAs available anymore, and I may have to adjust. But I take offense at an accusation of sand-bagging. I didn't bench players. I simply didn't see any reason to pick up innings-eaters after dudes got hurt. I'd rather take long-shots at picking up some young bats.

If you look at my transactions, you can see I was active until the end. If you want to add minimums that's fine. It will force a change in strategy. It will be a different game. But I probably won't quit over it.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 00:05

And honestly, yes I had few QS, but I guarantee you that my ratios would have gone to shit if you had insisted on my picking up starter dregs to hit 1000 innings. So I would have helped someone in ratios but maybe squeaked out a few more QS. All minimums will do is put your thumb on the scales, hurting some in the running (counting stats) while helping others (ratios).

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 00:14

And I do have to mention as a statistician that correlation does not imply causation. The reason my innings are low is because I was out of the running. Not the other way around. If I was in the top 5, I guarantee I would max my innings, or come close, depending on the ratio situation.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 00:49

<58> G20 uses 1375 GP minimum and there are 9 hitters in the lineup. That comes out to about 153 GP/per position. They have a maximum of 1350 IP and a minimum of 1200 IP. If you use G20 as a model, then our minimums would be 1500 GP and 1250 IP more or less.

You are penalized one draft position for every 15 IP or 15 GP below the minimum. The rule won't force you to get those players off the bench, but it will certainly make sure you aren't rewarded with draft position for leaving them there either.

I think G20 use a rule that if you are in top third of the league or so, you are exempt from the draft position penalties. This is how they address, the ratio vs counting stat issue bili brings up in <60>.

The thinking is that you couldn't sandbag while trying to finish in the money, So it might make sense that missing out on minimums was a strategy in that case.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 09:12

In a keeper league, playing with top-notch talent, I need to play the long-game. I'm not sure everyone does, but I do. I've been rebuilding for more than 5 years, and my season strategy reflects my long-term view. I rarely see young pitching talent that I feel would warrant a keeper, much less a prospect spot in my long-term plans. I may simply be shit at evaluating young arms, but gotta play to your strengths. Focusing on current season standings to evaluate level of involvement doesn't make any sense in a keeper league.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 10:07

If someone were to draft, then put all of his players on the bench, then wait until the next draft. Would that be OK in your mind? Just trying to bound what you believe to be OK behavior.

C1-NRB
ID: 199351222
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 10:50

I'll say last year was an anomaly for me. Believe it or not I really was trying. I didn't want to end up in last place. The IP was due to a similar strategy bili was employing and a SP that was part of a major preseason trade going down.
My AB level was suppressed because I really didn't like the FA options vs. my roster, so I was a little gun shy.
If a new rule gets imposed I won't be against it. Eight Men Out has a lower tier lottery like the NBA, but not weighted, IIRC.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 11:08

No. You should play the season. Mass benchings are not okay. Where my line is drawn is that you should not be required to actively harm your squad by dropping or not picking up potential keepers just to rack up innings by carrying pitchers you would never dream of keeping or picking up or trading for, except when forced.

With the vast expansions of bench and prospects of the last few years, there are barely any viable starters on the FA list these days, except playing match-ups and streaming. So you are almost insisting on an out of running manager with pitcher problems to give away long-term value to just tally innings. Or spending a huge amount of time and energy streaming pitchers on a dead team, which is absurd.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 11:18

God forbid we ask people to actually play the game.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 12:37

The game can be decades long. It sounds like you shouldn't be playing a keeper league, if what I just described doesn't sound like playing the game.

Perm Dude
ID: 39248711
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 12:48

I agree with Bili: Asking him to harm some of his numbers just to get IPs in seems a solution in search of a problem.

He's not mass benching. Let's stop using a solution for that problem for one that isn't that problem.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 13:36

<72> Two problems that I am trying to fix Perm Dude.

#1 The "strategies" employed by people who are leaving healthy players on the bench is having the same effect as intentional sandbagging in determining draft order.

#2 The "strategies" employed by people who are leaving healthy players on the bench affects the outcome of the standings.

It is irrefutable that there is an effect in either case. The real question as I phrased in <51> is:

So, what do you think:

A) It aint broke, dont need to fix it.
B) It's broke, but GP/IP minimums is not the way to fix it.
C) Tell me more about the system used in G20 Baseball and G20 Hoops.

So far, I believe this is what people have said:

A) taxman, dhamm
B) biliruben, Perm Dude, C1-NRB
C) Meatwads, Joe

That's just half of the owners. We have time. I want this discussion, but all I need is one person to say to me that they would like to put a specific proposal to a vote, and I will second it, and it will go to a vote following the rules of the league outlined in the constitution. If nobody wants to come forward with anything, the issue will be dropped and we'll move on. However, if it is dropped, you can rest assured I will bring it up next year again and every year afterward until we "fix" it.

For Joe <52>, If we introduce any new rule, it would not affect this year's order. I would think that a new rule affecting next year's draft could be open to debate.

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 14:01

I would be open to hear about C).

Looking forward to the draft even though will be limited early on.

Perm Dude
ID: 39248711
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 14:26

Is there an operative prospect list? Was looking at the 2019 draft thread--that's probably the most current one, yes?

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 14:27

<74> I kinda described whats used in G20 Baseball and G20 Hoops in <62>. C1-NRB told us that 8Men Out uses a NBA-like lottery to discourage tanking.

If you want, I can show you how the draft order would change based on G20 like rules described in <64> using the results in <51>. However, with so many not meeting minimums it would be a big deal. If people play with the knowledge of the penalties up front, their behavior would change though. So, if implemented, you probably would not see more than one or two people failing to meet minimums and then they would only miss by a little.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 14:30

<75> Look at <1> above. It shows all of the prospects that are still prospect eligible. If you need to know which of last year's prospects are no longer prospect eligible i can provide that.

Perm Dude
ID: 39248711
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 14:49

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 17:39

The Sycamores and Goatlockers Goons have completed a trade.

The Sycamores is sending his 8th rd pick (mlb) to Goatlockers Goons for his 9th rd pick (mlb) and prospect Mateo.

nerveclinic
ID: 3229718
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 19:09

I would say (A) with the caveat that if someone is not logging in for a month? or maybe even a week? He/she should not be invited back the next year. It's easy to look at the manager list and see the last time someone has logged on.

nerveclinic
ID: 3229718
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 19:17

I should also say while I vote A, I do understand Bean's point, and I respect the fact that he is being proactive about the issue. He is really a conscientious Commish and we are lucky to have him putting in the effort again this year even though he has asked for a replacement.

Thank you for your service Mr. Bean.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 21:49

Nerve,

You guys are a tough sell. Funny how my troops just did what I told em, if they had a mind of their own, I told em to use it on their own time.

It's OK, you will be assimilated.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 11:05

What I do in the league I run is the first pick in the draft goes to the 7th place team. Everyone has a shot at 7th, and it's actually interesting to watch active and (mildly encouraged) sandbagging by the managers just above 7th.

One solution, to keep engaged for entire season.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 11:09

I think you are trying to solve 2 problems.

1) You want to have active engaged players, who don't "cheat" to improve next years draft slot.

2) You don't want ghost ship squads to impact the final victor.

I think there are numerous strategies to solve 1.

I think you will drive your self crazy trying to solve 2. There are a thousand variables that might impact the standings at the top. Fixing one breaks another.

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 11:16

Part of it is also not being a dick. I've seen out-of-it managers actively try to knock points from top teams they don't like. Keeps em engaged at least.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 12:03

Prior to the internet, commissioning a rotisserie baseball league was very labor intensive. Back then, transactions were not nearly as common as a result. Pulling stats off of The Sporting News and tabulating them was a big enough job. Commissioners would impose fees or transaction limits to try to reduce the workload. So, streaming was not a popular strategy in most leagues. At least that was my experience.

When I first started playing rotisserie baseball on line, there were very few people who used streaming as a strategy. As a result, those who employed that strategy could dominate public leagues, since they were likely the only one who was using that strategy. I was a hater back then, because I viewed streaming as gimmicky, and it wasn't the rotisserie baseball I knew.

Everyone wants to stream starting pitchers for one of or two of their rotation slots now. However, because of game mechanics, you have to be awake in the middle of the night to win the best SPs for the day unless you use your waiver priority or you have automated the process somehow. Without some kind of control, by mid-season, the people at the bottom simply stop competing, and the few guys at the top are free to do what they want without using a waiver priority.

IMHO, streaming ruins the game when waiver priority isn't being used to spread the wealth evenly. The argument that "there aren't any pitchers available" is only valid if you believe that the game is and should be about who can stream the best without using their waiver priority. To me, it can be just about who is willing to be awake then, or who has automated the process so that they dont have to be.

Now, can i fix that? No. However, by making sure that EVERYONE is always engaged and is actively seeking out these streaming SPs, then eventually people will either stop using a streaming strategy or they will start to use their waiver prioirty to get the SPS.

I know this is novel thought, but for what it is worth.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 12:48

Oh yeah, one other thing. Get the F**K off my lawn!

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 14:06

<80> You volunteering to monitor that?

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 14:12

I know. I was in a few leagues in the 80s and 90s. We didn't even have mice. I mostly played football, since that was just a weekly, not a daily chore. I def knew Lotus 1-2-3 inside and out.

GoatLocker
ID: 481111410
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 15:37

I approve the trade with Sycamores

GoatLocker
ID: 481111410
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 15:54

Sorry I'm just now responding to 51.
Back working full time is making things crazy.
Might be really tough to get everybody to agree to a change.
I'm willing to go with the majority, but don't know what we would learn or fix with the changes.
I guess I would go with A.

GL

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 16:48

<89> I played a little rotisserie back in the late 60s and early 70s, most people did not own a calculator back then. I got my first one in college in 1974. It was pricey, but it was good to chuck that slide rule.

I first started playing Stratomatic in 1970, and preferred it over Rotisserie, and played it off and on until the mid 90s. Seemed everywhere I was stationed in the Air Force, someone played it, and we were able to start leagues.

Started playing Fantasy Football around 1990, spreadsheet days, internet wasn't really a thing yet, most people were just using IP to share printers then. If you owned a home PC, you likely only used your modem to download porn off a bulletin board server or log onto a school's mainframe.

My first foray into on line fantasy sports was playing Basketball on AOL. I think I had Nowitski and Steve Nash as late round flyers and won the league, they played for cash back then. It must have been 1998, because I am pretty sure Dirk was a rookie and Nash was on the Mavs too. They charged transaction fees, just like the old paper and pencil days then, so it was a real money maker for AOL. I only played there one year, was deployed to Bosnia soon afterward and providing personal AOL access to the troops was not a priority for some reason.

It wasn't until Yahoo started offering free fantasy football that this whole thing really took off, in the early 2000s. I suspect that's when most people finally saw what some of us saw way back when. Fantasy Sports is fun.

Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed the old man's war stories.

Bili or C1, you wanna champion your anti tanking rule to a vote?

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 18:06

I don't think I had a rule in mind.

Honestly, the best way to keep people engaged is to improve the chances of being competitive every year to teams that are currently down on their luck.

To accomplish that, my proposal would be to cut bench slots to 2, and keepers to 4, so there are quality players in the FA pool that could change any team's fortunes quickly. If I hear a few of you express interest in that, I'll propose it. I ain't holding my breath.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 18:31

hey, I am all for parity...wanna go redraft, hehe

Don't wanna really waste people's time voting, if there isnt real interest

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 19:40

I meant prospects to 4, not keepers. It feels like the first 3 pages of FAs are all prospects that are sitting idle, that should be contributing to someone's team. And it's about the expand the first 5 pages.

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 21:17

Well given how many people pick up the "K" players, what difference would it make ;)

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 21:32

TRADE

WG's 2.02 (from DustStorm Troopers)
for
Meat's 4 and Joey Gallo

I'm torn on minimums and would probably vote on a low number even if we had one, just because I've always thought its a viable strategy if someone wanted to comprise their staff of just closers and middle relievers to try to win S,ERA,WHIP in pitching and focus all their attention on hitting. As mentioned, there are other ways to gauge activity and it will probably become apparent if a manager is an absentee. But I also understand the extra task assigned to the commish to track that, such as constantly checking the manager tab to gauge last activity. As such, if a higher minimum would more easily help combat inactivity, I would not be against such implementation.

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 21:33

Also, currently not keeping Aaron Judge given the injury uncertainty. If anyone wants him, hit me up!

Meatwads
ID: 16250620
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:02

97 - Trade confirmed.

100

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:30

Your lineup is absurd, WG.

I thought that there was that yes, Judge is injured. Stress fracture?

101

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:41

<100> you say that like you are surprised bili. WG tears up in every league. Gonna have to invent Wilt the Stilt rules soon.

102

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:53

Thanks guys, too kind. I do enjoy the camaraderie and longevity of these leagues, or else probably wouldn't devote the time needed to excel against such tough competition.

103

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:53

I'm giving WG my 3rd for Judge and his 8th.

104

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 22:56

Confirmed.

105

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 23:05

<102> Just softening ya up for the kill WG.

106

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:19

So... Bobo can kick it into gear? Should I start a new thread?

107

Bobo
ID: 442431010
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:43

I’m ready to go and have been monitoring this AM waiting for the draft thread to pop up.

Didn’t want to step out of my lane.

108

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:50

Just woke up. Rough night last night.

I will have the thread uo by 1 PM EDT. Please be patient, doing one last check on the lists of keepers I will be posting with it.

109

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 13:12

OK, the prospect draft has started, and Bobo has already picked the first player. Please use his format as an example.

First order of business is to check the information I have posted for accuracy and let me know if you find a mistake.

Second order of business is to read my instructions thoroughly and comply. Lets keep this thing moving with minimal Oh shitz!

110

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 13:20

BTW, I have planned for a 4 day prospect draft, and there are 58 picks to be made. So, we need to finish one round per day for the first three days and finish up the rest on the last day. If it looks like we wont be able to make it, I will institute a clock.

Again, I offer my number (719) 638-0337, if you want text notices that you are up. Just send me a text and identify yourself to get this started. If you want to give someone a queue, consider me or the guy just after you in the draft.

111

GoatLocker
ID: 481111410
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 16:43

Wow, this is like watching ice melt.

112

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 18:45

I sent C1 an e-mail quite some time back. If anyone has another way to contact him, please do so. This is not good.

113

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 19:25

C1 is not one I happen to have on my phone.

114

C1-NRB
ID: 199351222
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 20:19

Sorry guys.

Drafts always start when I'm on Spring Break, so my access can be spotty at best. I'll be more vigilant going forward.

115

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 20:29

<114> Look at <110> C1.

116

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 21:02

Anyone looking to trade down in round 1?? My p1 plus an s pick or swap?

117

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 21:15

Gah. You realize that I'm moving to Tacoma explicitly to see Julio, Art?

Give me 15...

118

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 21:40

Fine. High Floor.

119

biliruben
ID: 29251216
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 22:01

Shoulda benched all my players.

120

biliruben
ID: 29251216
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 22:01

J/k, bean! J/k!

121

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 22:31

OK Bean, I did add your phone. Crazy how many numbers I have that say Fantasy Sports :)

122

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 23:47

Dang, Donny is still up at 2346. Just Kidding buddy.

123

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 02:16

WG-

I’m always looking to trade back into rd 1 or 2.

Willingly to offer up a future prospect pick in (21).

124

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 05:16

Good morning. Any one looking to trade their 2nd rd pick, willingly to discuss my 5th rd prospect pick & my 3rd prospect pick in 21.

Email me. Thoughts?

125

C1-NRB
ID: 199351222
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 09:43

Bean, did you get my number last night?

I wasn't sure it if it went through.

126

Meatwads
ID: 16250620
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 19:17

Bili - Over the few years I’ve been playing with you, you always grab at least a couple players I was hoping to land. And not just big names, but obscure guys who become big names. Well played sir. As a reluctant Mariners fan, I’m hoping Noelvi Marte becomes a beast. They seem to have turned their farm system around in a hurry and he seems like the next one in line.

127

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 20:08

<125> yes

128

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 20:53

Thanks, Meat! Er.. sorry. I was afraid Art was following the Ms closely, and was gonna snag both Julio and Noelvi.

I looked deep at the Ms farm system, since we are looking for a house near Cheney Stadium, and would love to have a few young M's to-be, and go to a bunch of cheap games seeing future studs roll through AAA.

He seems to have a very, very high ceiling. Young still, and a long way to go.

129

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 23:34

With the suspension of NBA play, it's apparent how our country's leadership is going to respond to the Corona Virus pandemic. One might expect that MLB will be impacted similarly soon.

There are probably several schools of thought about what we should do with our season, but I think that our best course is to continue with our drafts in any case, and stick with the schedule. We'll wait and see how things go before we take any further action.

130

Perm Dude
ID: 2915648
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 06:52

Let's consider suspending transactions in a few days, too.

131

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 07:23

I have prospect Gorman in my list.

Just a FYI.

132

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 08:20

Gorman looks like he got inadvertently excluded from post 2 of the prospect draft.

PD - you need to pick again.

133

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 08:22

Billi-

Any interest in trading your 3rd rd pick?

Email me: teo3402@yahoo.com

134

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 08:35

sent.

Also, I kept 4, so I don't think I have a 5th round pick, as listed in the prospect thread. Am I thinking about this wrong?

135

biliruben
ID: 24016241
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 08:56

I am tradeing 3.05 for Phils 4.12 plus his 2nd round prospect pick in 2021.

136

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 08:57

Confirmed.

137

Art of monk
ID: 33224323
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:27

Sorry I didn't check this board. Should knew
I delete th pick?

138

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:33

Please. PD might want him. Or he might want him after he sees your pick! Don't want to give him good ideas!

139

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:36

I emailed him.

140

Perm Dude
ID: 2915648
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:40

Will re-pick. Gimme just a couple of minutes.

141

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 11:29

Just woke up to this, I'll make my pick once I sort out a few things:

<132>Thanks for catching it and alerting us all bili.. Nolan Gorman was in the list, PD just missed it.

<134> Not sure what went wrong with giving you 5.05 bili, but I will look into it. Hopefully I didn't cheat someone out of a pick. Everyone should double check their remaining picks to ensure you have been allotted 8 prospects between picks and keepers.

<135> To be clear concerning the 2021 prospect pick:
Phil sends his 2021 prospect 2nd pick
bili sends his 2021 prospect last pick

142

Nerveclinic
ID: 33201211
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:00

Just a heads up might be a little late with my next pick...

143

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:09

After some checking, seems the only changes necessary were deleting Bili's 5.05 and giving him Phil's 4.08 as a result of the trade. If anybody finds another error in the draft order please let me know ASAP. Here is the updated remaining order:

3.08 Joe
3.09 Tax
3.10 Nerve
3.11 Goat
3.12 WG
3.13 Meat
3.14 WG
4.01 Bobo
4.02 C1
4.03 PD
4.04 Art
4.05 Bili
4.06 Bean
4.08 Bili
4.12 Phil
4.13 Meat
4.14 WG
5.04 Art
5.06 Bean
5.12 Phil
6.04 Art
7.04 Art

144

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:17

I loaded pre-draft players into Yahoo. You can check them by looking at draft results sorted by team. The top 7 are your MLB keepers. The bottom ones are your prospect keepers.

Some of your prospects are not in the Yahoo database, please check if you find one missing. Otherwise, let me know if you find an error.

If I don't hear from you before the end of the prospect draft, I am going to assume yours are OK.

145

biliruben
ID: 29251216
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:36

Thanks bean. I see the problem now. Gorrman as an extra r.

Also, I agreed to take 4.12, not 4.08. not a huge deal.

146

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:45

Yes he agreed to the 4.12 but no biggie with me.

All good.

147

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 13:16

Everything looks good to go for me on both Keepers and Prospects.

GL

148

Joe
ID: 1915548
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 13:24

My keepers look good too, and I'll make my prospect selection shortly.

149

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 13:47

<145-146> Fixed
3.08 Joe
3.09 Tax
3.10 Nerve
3.11 Goat
3.12 WG
3.13 Meat
3.14 WG
4.01 Bobo
4.02 C1
4.03 PD
4.04 Art
4.05 Bili
4.06 Bean
4.08 Phil
4.12 Bili
4.13 Meat
4.14 WG
5.04 Art
5.06 Bean
5.12 Phil
6.04 Art
7.04 Art

150

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:50

Baseball opening day has been delayed for two weeks. I certainly do not see any good reason for suspending the prospect draft. We can discuss the merits of delaying the MLB draft, but I am just inclined to leave it untimed within reason.

151

nerveclinic
ID: 3229718
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:11

I would bet it will be much longer than two weeks, that's like the absolute best case scenario. It's going to be longer.

152

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 10:48

If Anyone wants to trade up in rd 4 in the prospect draft, willingly to trade down for a 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick (2020 draft).

Email me: teo3402@yahoo.com

153

Bobo
ID: 24121411
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 11:40

I am in favor of keeping our schedule of drafts as planned, regardless of the delayed MLB start date.

This is a much welcomed and necessary distraction. Especially on the heels of a Governor mandated 3 week Pre-K-12 school shut down that begins Monday. As someone who works in education and with 3 school aged kids, this is a piece of sanity for me.

Everyone be well.

154

Joe
ID: 1915548
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 11:43

My preference is to move forward as scheduled as well.

155

nerveclinic
ID: 358553019
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 12:28

Agreed on the distraction Bobo...hang in there. And yes we should go forward.

156

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 19:20

The prospect draft is over. You will see a list of prospects at the end of the thread along with a link to a google spreadsheet with the same info. If you see a mistake, let me know now.

I have loaded all your MLB keepers along with all the prospect keepers that were in the Yahoo database. Check them using the draft results tab. If I am missing a prospect, it may be because he isn't in Yahoo's database, so check that as well. If you find an error let me know now.

I will be loading all keepers into Draft Time tonight and will likely open the draft with no clock. Please check your keepers and your draft picks there for accuracy. If you are missing some prospects its likely because they were not in Draft Time database. You'll want to verify that using the players tab.

Bobo has the first pick, I will ask him to refrain from picking until tomorrow noon EDT to give you all time to check Draft Time accuracy and to load queues. There will be no clock, but if you are going to be away for more than 12 hours, a heads up is expected, as well as a queue for the next round. You all have my permission to express your thoughts about anyone who does not comply. ;)

157

taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:49

yes on keeping draft as previously schedule. My schedule gets a bit wonky last 10 days of March.

158

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 12:13

Sorry for the delay all.

159

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 05:55

Good morning. If anyone wants to jump back into rd 2 from your rd 3 pick; let me know.

Cost your 3rd & 4th or 5th.

160

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 15:02

I've posted the draft picks through 3.02 to your teams in Yahoo. As a result, the available players should reflect the draft to date.

You can check your teams by looking at draft results by team, if you see an error let me know.

161

Bobo
ID: 24121411
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 11:46

2 straight picks where my next queued player was taken right before my selection hit.

Nice!

162

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 23:41

<157> Can you more specific? When will you no longer be available? Is it just spotty internet?

163

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:24

We are beginning round 7 now. I entered all picks through round 6 into Yahoo and have "started the season" there. I also dropped all of your prospects from your rosters. You can see them in available players with the "K" now.

For the rest of the draft, I will be doing manual adds to your roster to reflect your picks. You can check my work by checking "My Team" and advancing one day.

If you find an error let me know.

164

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 00:58

Everything through 10.01 is entered into Yahoo now.

If you find an error let me know.

165

Meatwads
ID: 222462116
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 17:46

Bean - Looks like you have Joc Pederson on my roster instead of Kenley Jansen.

167

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 21:30

<165> Looks like you had Jansen, but Pederson should have gone to David (Mudville 9). I have corrected it in Yahoo.

168

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 13:00

Everything through 12.11 is entered into Yahoo now.

If you find an error let me know.

169

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 12:55

Everything through 14.09 is entered into Yahoo now.

If you find an error let me know.

170

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 13:07

We are winding down the draft now; just 19 picks left. This is probably a good time to give you all the way ahead:

1) Once the draft ends I will enter the last players into Yahoo.
2) I will give you two days to let me know if you have found a mistake.
3) Then, I will give you two more days to request a waiver claim by posting here.
4) Next I will remove the restriction and allow you to make Adds/Drops and Trades, I will announce a time for that, for those of you who want to game not using your waiver priority.
5) We will follow Yahoo's lead in setting max IP/GP for a shortened season if they do play. However if they do not reduce them, I will pro-rate them based on MLB's announced 2020 schedule if Yahoo will allow me. If Yahoo doesn't make that possible, we'll just proceed with whatever they do give us.
6) Similarly, MLB could end the restarted regular season before its modified schedule is complete. We'll simply declare a champ based on however many games they do play within reason. We'll wait for them to restart, to vote on this possibility.
7) I see no reason to modify the prospect eligibility rules if its just a partial season.
8) We will need to discuss what to do with this year's drafts, if MLB doesn't play at all this year.

Thoughts?

171

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 19:17

Thoughtful, Bean. Thanks for considering things going forward.

1-7 seem reasonable.

8 - Just pretend we played.

172

GoatLocker
ID: 492542212
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 19:28

Can I do a drop and a waiver claim?
Need to dump my worst draft choice - Chris Sale.

GL

173

biliruben
ID: 170202910
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 19:51

2 days after end of draft, Goat.

174

C1-NRB
ID: 199351222
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 23:38

You think you got problems?

My #2 overall might be ready by the 2021 All Star break.

175

Joe
ID: 1915548
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 07:41

I'll echo Bili's thoughts

176

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 14:17

<170> OK, so I finished loading the players in Yahoo now (#1).

Please let me know if you find an error by Noon EDT on 3/27 (#2).

You may submit waiver claims until Noon EDT on 3/29 (#3). I will settle all claims then, so get your claims in. If you have more than one claim, I need to understand your priority order, since you can only use your priority once before dropping back to #14. When re-assigning waiver order, time stamps here will be used.

I'll need an hour to load the waiver claims, so I hope to open up your teams to FA pickups and trades at 1PM EDT on 3/29 (#4).

Any questions? Any errors in loading your guys?

177

Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 12:12

I assume everyone has checked their rosters now and are certain that there were no errors. There will now be two days of waiver claims.

178

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 14:32

You may make FA claims now. Remember to look for the "K" before you pick someone up.

Once MLB makes an announcement that the season will start, I will start an In Season thread. I hope to post a prospect list to Yahoo soon, meanwhile you can use the list I provided at the end of the prospect draft, or the Google Spreadsheet I gave the link to.

179

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 10:56

I noticed that Phil has already started looking over FAs. He picked up Hunter Harvey, which surprised me because I was sure he was a prospect. When I checked it, I found that in fact he was Taxman's prospect. Phil dropped Harvey before I noticed, so it's all good from that perspective.

So, looking into it I found that there were four prospects that I did not mark with "K". There is nothing I can do about it now. This is why I asked that you check draft results several times. Oh well, at least two managers did not. Perhaps others did not check, but I didn't make a mistake on their prospects. Anyway, those two owners will have to put up with a more likely pick up of their prospect during the season. Justice is served.

Here are the four prospects I found without the "K" that you are going to have to avoid all season. Enjoy:

Taxman - Hunter Harvey
Taxman - Josh Jung
Phil - Logan Gilbert
Phil - Shogo Akiyama

180

GoatLocker
ID: 492542212
Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 13:16

Sorry for being slow, this back working full time is making things tough with everything going on right now.

Everything does look good for me.
Going to drop Sale and see who I can find to pick up.

GL

181

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 11:12

Wake up!

182

Bobo
ID: 34512812
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 21:10

LFG!

183

Nerveclinic
ID: 4955241
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 02:06

Here we go?

184

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 12:24

60 games is the obvious max games to use. Prorate 1400 IP and you get:

1400 X (60/162) = 519 IP

Yahoo allows you to chose every 25 IP, so 500 and 525 are the nearest choices. Closer to 525 so that's what we will go with.

Any legitimate objections?

185

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 12:38

We need to agree to a trade deadline that can be implemented in Yahoo. Right now the choices are in SEP and early OCT. We have a little time to debate this, but hopefully not more debate than it warrants.

Here is the current rule:

Trade Deadline - Closest Sunday to August 31st

186

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 12:52

I just locked add/drop transactions for now. Trades are not restricted. If you have an uneven trade that wont go through, let me know.

One week before they start play (23 JUL is the date I have seen), I will open FA claims up to waiver priority for three days. I will do this manually, so you will submit your claims to me in this forum.

After this waiver period, i will remove all restrictions.

So, all of these actions are in anticipation of a 60 game season to start around 23 JUL. If anything changes we will have to adapt. Not knowing what might happen, I reserve the right to declare Marshall law and just make decisions for the good of the league. Things could spiral out of control if I wait for consensus to act. I ask for your forgiveness in advance, if you dont give it I dont care, so talk to the hand.

187

GoatLocker
ID: 492542212
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:02

Those players who have said they will not play this season.

Mike Leake, Diamondbacks
Ryan Zimmerman, Nationals
Joe Ross, Nationals

Also a list of coaches that will not be in the clubhouse at the start of the season.

GL

188

GoatLocker
ID: 492542212
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:28

Another to won't play list.
Ian Desmond, Rockies

189

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 19:03

I'm going to do an updated list to try to keep it together.

Players that are sitting out the season for 2020:

Nationals:
Ryan Zimmerman
Joe Ross
Wellington Castillo

Diamondbacks:
Mike Leake

Rockies:
Ian Desmond

Dodgers:
David Price

Braves:
Felix Hernandez
Nick Markakis

This is as of today 7 July.

190

Bobo
ID: 34512812
Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 19:24

TRADE

Bobo gets Spencer Torkelson (prospect) and Michael Fulmer
Phil gets Cody Bellinger, Mike Foltynewicz and Daulton Varsho (prospect)

MLB players being processed via Yahoo.

191

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 19:26

Confirmed.

192

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 19:52

Not sure if we even have a review process, but this one looks incredibly lopsided to me and I'd vote to veto.

Bellinger is almost universally considered a top-6 dynasty league asset (#3 on FantasyPros, #4 on ESPN, #5 on Fantrax, #6 on Dynasty Guru) and he's essentially traded straight up for a guy that was just drafted?? Bellinger is only 24 himself and by any metrics and indication has a long, ultra productive career ahead. What is the expectation here, that Torkelson will become a top-3 guy? And when? Incredibly optimistic to think he will become anywhere near as good as, let alone better than, Bellinger anytime soon. Plus, Bobo loses an entire year as Torkelson is unlikely to come up this year and we are on the heels of a season. Not to mention Varsho, who Phil is also getting, isn't just a throwaway himself; he's a legit Top 100 prospect too (#59 Fangraphs, #63 RotoChamp, #74 MLB).

By comparison, just a few months ago for Trout (#2,2,2,3 on those same lists above) I traded Eloy Jimenez, Kris Bryant, Jorge Soler, and prospect Nolan Gormam, to Phil no less. The difference between the cost paid for Trout and Bellinger is that drastic? And no, I'm not mad about that cost, I still think it was fair and a good deal for both parties. I don't feel the same about this trade and see no benefit to Bobo.

Obviously nothing personal against Bobo or Phil, but IMO this is the kind of trade that unfairly shifts the power balance in a league, and FWIW I'm a little disappointed both agreed to do it.

193

nerveclinic
ID: 20656820
Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 22:03

My cheat sheet has Bellinger as the #6 fantasy pick in dynasty leagues. This looks like an absurd trade at face value.

I doubt many people are checking in here but I would like to request the commish take a league vote on this trade. I vote to veto.

194

Bean
ID: 304422310
Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 23:29

You can vote to veto at Yahoo, if that capability isn't working let me know.

195

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 00:25

There is an option on Yahoo but personally I feel this trade has a significant enough impact on league integrity and competitive balance that it should be examined regardless. It almost seems indefensible to me and one that no other manager would make. Not sure leaving it to a reliance that everyone is checking in or caring amidst a pandemic is enough of an arbitration on its validity.

196

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 09:32

This is how Yahoo handles trade vetoes. We use League Votes setting.

When you select the League Votes option, accepted trades can be overturned by a vote of at least 1/3 of the members of your league. So, a 12-team league requires four votes for a veto. We always round fractions up, so a 10-team league also requires four votes, even though 1/3 of ten is actually 3-1/3. All league member votes, including the one cast by the commissioner, count equally. Even if no protests are made, the trade will not be processed until the time allotted to protest pending trades in your league has elapsed.

With 14 members, it will require 5 votes to veto. It's a 2 day approval process. I encourage everyone who is not even bothering to read this to vote, if they disagree with the trade.

This is the procedure that we use. If you would like to vote on a different process for next season, make a proposal.

197

Phil Turner
ID: 3212349
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 10:14

Just wanted to let everyone know after seeing everyone’s comments; I voted against the trade.

I wasn’t trying to pull a fast one on anyone.

198

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 10:52

My initial thought was if this trade went through, the league should replace me as a manager...maybe that should happen anyway. None the less, this trade is absurd and far beneath the standards of this venerable 20+ year old league. Baldwin is rolling over in his grave.

I always seriously question trades that occur with the last place team. Extraordinary trade of its best player and a top 5 MLB talent for potential future production that might equal value of player given up.

IMHO...This is a cold blooded theft and should send chilling warnings to the Poli managers. We have invited a shark into our swimming pool. I never met a dick with a conscience.

I voted to veto trade Jack and the Bean stalk comes to mind, but doesn't do justice to the scenario.

But let me tell you how I really feel.

199

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:11

I'm back working full time, so not necessarily paying a lot of attention other than my picks. Do remember seeing it and think WTF. Ditto what has been said. I'm not sure if I voted, and it says voting is closed, but I would vote no.

200

Mudville 9
ID: 145542514
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:22

Approve.

201

artofmonk
ID: 40640910
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:40

Veto. not even close and almost zero rationale.

202

Joe
ID: 1915548
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:41

I wasn't in favor of this trade either but, wow, I feel like the personal comments on here are out of line. If that puts me in a bad light on here, that's fine - I'm an adult - but saying my piece. I've personally known Phil for a long time, and while he's an aggressive trader he doesn't seek out ways to intentionally screw others over.

Anyway, that's what I have to say on this front, for better or for worse for me in this league.

203

Biliruben
ID: 1385676
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:47

Never saw this trade in my email. Did others?

204

Biliruben
ID: 1385676
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:52

I don't know shit about Torkelson, but I could see someone thinking he is the next Trout, and thinking Belli is way over rated. I wouldn't necessarily scream collusion.

Maybe insanity, but not necessarily collusion.

205

Biliruben
ID: 1385676
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:55

That said, "If you are looking to still unload Belli, do I have a prospect for you! Or 5!"

206

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 13:39

<199> Once there were 5 votes to veto, the voting was over.

For all: If you don't have Yahoo send you an e-mail for all transactions automatically, you may not have known. That's a fix you must do. If you don't check your e-mail, you might consider changing your Yahoo profile to send notices to an e-mail you actually check.

In the grand scheme of things, this is how the system is supposed to work. However, it only works if people are paying attention. I repeat, if you want to change how these trade disputes are resolved other than just letting Yahoo do it, make a proposal, but don't volunteer my time.

Q: What's the difference between Ignorance and Apathy?
A: I don't know, and I don't care.

207

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 14:23

This drama about how to value a prospect brought to mind to me two expressions many use but few know their origins. "Pig in a Poke" and "Letting the Cat out of the Bag". Thought you'd enjoy this.

From a random Google Search for Letting the Cat out of the Bag:

The other explanation for the phrase is that it was born from a ridiculous bit of livestock fraud. Supposedly, merchants would sell customers live piglets and, after putting a pig in a sack for easier transport, would sometimes swap the pig for a cat when the customer looked away. The buyer wouldn’t discover they’d been cheated until they got home and literally let the cat out of the bag. There don't seem to be any recorded links between the phrase and livestock markets, or even much evidence that this sort of con was commomplace. (Pigs were bagged for sale, though, and Richard Hill's Common-place Book from 1530 offers some advice to merchants that led to another idiom: “When ye proffer the pigge open the poke.”)

There’s a certain implausibility to the trick, too. Piglets big enough to be taken to market differ in size and build from domestic cats. Consider also that cats meow, and don’t oink. We can’t imagine enough people would have picked up their purchase and thought, “this sack seems a little light, and isn’t making the right noise, but I guess everything is normal,” to make this ruse work often enough that an idiom came from it. The Spanish equivalent of the phrase—dar gato por liebre, or “giving a cat instead of a hare”—at least implies an origin with an animal that makes more sense. Rabbits meant to be eaten are usually sold already slaughtered and skinned, and are similar enough in size and appearance to cats in the same circumstances.

208

Bobo
ID: 25659913
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 14:59

Sorry the deal was received so poorly here.

I can see the arguments you make, whether they fit my point of view or not. Your action to veto is really enough here.

Despite being a last place team, my record for being active speaks for itself. Don’t paint me with that brush.

209

biliruben
ID: 14655922
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 23:58

I was getting trade notifications last season. Not sure what chsnged. Will fix, and recommend others check their settings.

210

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 14:25

211

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 00:31

From <186> above:

I just locked add/drop transactions for now. Trades are not restricted. If you have an uneven trade that wont go through, let me know.

One week before they start play (23 JUL is the date I have seen), I will open FA claims up to waiver priority for three days. I will do this manually, so you will submit your claims to me in this forum.

After this waiver period, i will remove all restrictions.

So, all of these actions are in anticipation of a 60 game season to start around 23 JUL. If anything changes we will have to adapt. Not knowing what might happen, I reserve the right to declare Marshall law and just make decisions for the good of the league. Things could spiral out of control if I wait for consensus to act. I ask for your forgiveness in advance, if you dont give it I dont care, so talk to the hand.

OK so Waivers are open on 16 JUL. You will have until 11:59 PM PDT on 19 JUL to submit a waiver claim. Post the player you would like to claim here, along with the name of the player you would drop if successful.

I will re-open up players for FA claims around Noon PDT on 20 JUL.

Any questions?

212

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 15:52

213

Nerveclinic
ID: 236551311
Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 11:51

Just a thought. Shouldn't waivers be sent to Bean privately by email? Otherwise we are showing the whole what might be a good pick up?

214

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 19:02

If you prefer, you can send them to me, I don't plan to make any claims at the moment.

215

dhamm6500
ID: 276461618
Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 19:46

Waiver Claims:

Marco Gonzales drop David Price

John Means drop Chris Archer

216

Joe
ID: 1915548
Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 16:40

Black Death Returns submits the following waiver claim:

Add: Ross Stripling
Drop: None (Open active slot since Severino is on my IL slot)

217

Bobo
ID: 50651914
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 15:05

Does the FA restriction period lift tomorrow morning or go through Monday?

218

Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 17:27

From <211>

OK so Waivers are open on 16 JUL. You will have until 11:59 PM PDT on 19 JUL to submit a waiver claim. Post the player you would like to claim here, along with the name of the player you would drop if successful.

I will re-open up players for FA claims around Noon PDT on 20 JUL.

Any questions?

219

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 10:44

Here are the waivers I have processed:

Phil 7/16, 6:38
Add Zach Britton, Drop Michael Fulmer, and Rick Porcello to meet roster limits

dhamm 7/16, 19:46
Add Marco Gonzales, Drop Chris Archer

Joe 7/17 16:40
Add Ross Stripling, Drop None

Still shooting for Noon PDT today for opening up FA

220

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 14:44

You should be able to pick up FAs now.

Remember the "K".

221

dhamm6500
ID: 276461618
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 20:46

Do I need to wait for it to process? Archer is still showing on my roster and Gonzales isn't.

222

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 08:59

Sorry bout that.

Metwads was the team above Mudville 9 in the list. I accidentally clicked on his team instead of yours. Dropped Chris from his team, and added Gonzales. In my haste, I didnt read the last name, thinking Sale was Archer. Anyway, its fixed now.

You and Meatwads will need to look at July 22 to see the change.

223

Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 09:09

I've set the Trade Deadline as 30 AUG per our rules. You can choose no deadline, or any Sunday from 16 AUG to 13 SEP. This is right in the middle.

I am sure there arguments for changing the deadline to something other than what our rules say, if several of you can agree on something different we can put it to a vote. If there seems to be no momentum for change in the next week or so, I will consider this a dead issue.

224

GoatLocker
Dude
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:37

30 Aug works for me.

GL

225

Joe
ID: 1915548
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:40

8/30/20 also works for me.

Joe

226

DHamm
ID: 196391312
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 13:04

Aug 30 is fine with me.

227

Biliruben
ID: 1385676
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 14:51

Cool beans, Beans.

228

Bobo
ID: 50651914
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 16:47

Aug 30 works for me.

229

Bobo
ID: 50651914
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 19:17

Aug 30 works for me.

230

Nerveclinic
ID: 196352121
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 22:36

I am in you worthy hands commish...Aug 30 sounds great.

231

Nerveclinic
ID: 196352121
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 22:37

Bili: "Cool beans, Beans."

nice one Bili

232

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 01:48

grats Nerve

233

C1-NRB
ID: 398172812
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 13:17

Congrats, Nerve.

234

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 17:12

Congrats, Nerve. Hell of a season and what ended up being a commanding win. I briefly passed you like 10 days ago and made a fateful decision to not start some streamers I had added, for fear of hurting my era and whip too much. The 3 SP (Gausman, Sheffield, Bubic, I believe) pitched well and I regretted it the next day... until you blew well ahead and it ended up not mattering in the least. So again, congrats on a great performance, and looking forward to next year. Also a thanks to Bean for running things smoothly again.

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Joe
ID: 1915548
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 20:05

Huge congrats, and good season to everyone. Hoping for a somewhat more normal 2021 (in so many ways and for so many reasons).

Joe

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Nerveclinic
ID: 196352121
Sat, Oct 03, 2020, 21:17

Lost my job in March due to Covid. Still waiting for the first interview after sending out dozens of resumes. This was one small ray of light in an otherwise dismal year.

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Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 12:39

Only found one trade involving 2021 picks:

<141> Phil sends his 2021 prospect 2nd pick
bili sends his 2021 prospect last pick

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