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0 Subject: 2022 Political Baseball League - Pre-Season

Posted by: Perm Dude
- [71111821] Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 09:51

The Poli Baseball League Constitution

Rule Changes

In order for a new rule or rule change to pass, we need a majority the league (not voters) to vote yes. This is currently 8 of 14. The manager who proposes the rule should make a reasonable effort to publicize that there is a vote going on. If a majority do not vote for the proposal within a week, the proposal fails.

Yahoo Baseball
7 keepers; No more than 5 prospect keepers
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period
Trade Deadline - Closest Sunday to August 31st
Trade Review - League Votes
Supplemental draft picks may be traded

Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Max IP - 1400
Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases
(SB), On Base Percentage (OBP)
Pitchers Categories: Quality Starts (QS), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average
(ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

MLB Supplemental Draft
Draft Utility - Draftime
Player must be in the Yahoo database at the time he is picked in the
supplemental draft.
No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings

Prospect Draft & Rules
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings
To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc.
You can retain up to 5 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 8 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over.
ALL teams are entitled to EXACTLY 8 prospects by the end of the prospect draft. NO TEAM will be allowed to have any number other than eight prospects at the end of the prospect draft.
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until the end of the season in which they exceeded the stated prospect limits. As with our new rule, managers can keep prospects for the entire season in which they exceed their stated prospect level limits. So, if your prospect hits the limit in May, you may still hold his rights as a prospect until the beginning of the following season. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.

Prospect rights may be traded.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft.
You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 5 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft

Poli League Trophy Case
2001 Toral
2003 Baldwin
2004 Skanks 4 Bush
2005 Baldwin
2006 1625 K St Allstars
2007 Biliruben
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 Nerveclinic
2012 GO
2013 WG
2014 GO
2015 WG
2016 Nerveclinic
2017 Meatwads
2018 Meatwads/Nerveclinic
2019 WG
2020 Nerveclinic
2021 Biliruben
1 mailedfoot
      ID: 7239189
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 10:39
I need a link to my team please
2Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:12
Sure--do you know which team you are taking over?
3Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:19
I think Nerve said Goatlocker's team for mailedfoot

Dale was given Meatwads' team
4Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 21:35
Got it.

Am going through a copy of last year's google spreadsheet and updating eligibility. Bean: You lost a few prospects, it seems!

Not willing to put the effort into fighting it right now, but will likely propose a rule change for prospect eligibility from 300 at-bats to 300 plate appearances. (Bili, you benefit from that this year, with Wander Franco).


5Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 22:19
For the new managers:

If any of your prospects have gone over the prospect limits (300ABs/125 IPs) then you can't keep them as one of your five prospect keepers. You can, however, keep them as one of your regular keepers.

A prospect over their limit and not kept becomes a FA and eligible for drafting by anyone.
6Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 22:33
<4> Not sure what you mean by "lost", but there are 8X14=112 prospects in the spreadsheet.

If you meant that I personally had a few go over the limits, that was by design. I often draft players that are already near the limit, and appear to be likely to be starters in the current year. Ideally, we all would like to see three players advance to the majors each year, since we can only keep five.

7Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 22:37
Yes--you had them go over the limits is what I meant. Though Mudville's team has you beat, it seems, with only 2 prospects still under the limits.
8Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:13

I got Dale and Bruce into Yahoo. I knew you had personal issues PD. They are all set.

9Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:22
Thanks Nerve.

I'll have last year's prospect list finished in a bit. Updating eligibility and updating MLB teams for the players.
10Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:42
A simple google doc with prospects from last prospect draft, updated to new teams.

I've check the eligibility of each of these. If a player has an "N" in the eligibility column they cannot be kept as a prospect.

Let me know if there are any errors.

You can keep up to five eligible prospects.

Google doc link
11Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:53
Last column is prospect eligibility:

Jack Leiter RHP TEX Art of Monk Y
Josiah Gray RHP WAS Art of Monk Y
Quinn Priester RHP PIT Art of Monk Y
James Karinchak RP CLE Art of Monk Y
Alek Thomas OF ARI Art of Monk Y
Corbin Carroll OF ARI Art of Monk Y
Julio Rodriguez OF SEA Art of Monk Y
Cristian Pache OF ATL Art of Monk Y
Triston McKenzie RHP CLE Bean N
Andres Gimenez SS CLE Bean N
Jaden Hill RHP COL Bean Y
Emerson Hancock RHP SEA Bean Y
Sam Hilliard RF COL Bean N
Will Smith C LAD Bean N
Michael Kopech RHP CHW Bean Y
Bobby Witt SS KC Bean Y
Wilman Diaz SS LAD biliruben Y
Ronny Mauricio SS NYM biliruben Y
Michael Busch 2B LAD biliruben Y
Hedbert Perez OF MIL Biliruben Y
Noelvi Marte SS SEA Biliruben Y
Dylan Carlson OF STL Biliruben N
Gavin Lux SS/2B LAD Biliruben N
Wander Franco SS TB Biliruben Y
Kumar Rocker RHP FA Bobo Y
Jordan Lawlar SS ARI Bobo Y
Willi Castro SS DET Bobo N
Riley Greene OF DET Bobo Y
Dustin May RHP LAD Bobo Y
Hunter Greene RHP CIN Bobo Y
Yusniel Diaz OF BAL Bobo Y
Alex Kirilloff OF MIN Bobo Y
Royce Lewis SS MIN C1-NRB Y
Daniel Lynch LHP KC C1-NRB Y
Colton Cowser OF BAL C1-NRB Y
Sam Huff C TEX C1-NRB Y
Bryson Stott SS PHI C1-NRB Y
Jeter Downs SS/2B BOS C1-NRB Y
Jasson Dominguez OF NYY C1-NRB Y
Luis Robert OF CHW C1-NRB N
Jazz Chisholm SS MIA mailedfoot N
Brandon Marsh OF LAA mailedfoot Y
Geraldo Perdomo SS/2B ARI mailedfoot Y
Jordan Groshans 3B TOR mailedfoot Y
Luis Campusano C SD mailedfoot Y
Sixto Sanchez SP MIA mailedfoot Y
Mackenzie Gore LHP SD mailedfoot Y
Ke'Bryan Hayes 3B PIT mailedfoot N
Zac Veen OF COL Joe Y
Garrett Crochet LHP CWS Joe Y
Tony Gonsolin SP, RP LAD Joe N
Tarik Skubal LHP DET Joe N
CJ Abrams SS SD Joe Y
Nate Pearson RHP TOR Joe Y
Luis Patino RHP TB Joe Y
Casey Mize RHP DET Joe N
George Kirby RHP SEA Dale Y
Tejay Antone SP CIN Dale Y
Jud Fabian OF Florida Dale Y
Elijah Green OF TNXL Acadamy (FL) Dale Y
Jose Urquidy SP HOU Dale N
Matt Manning RHP DET Dale Y
Marco Luciano SS SF Dale Y
Nathaniel Lowe 1B TEX Dale N
Vidal Brujan 2B/SS TB Mudville Y
Alejandro Kirk C TOR Mudville Y
Heliot Ramos OF SF Mudville Y
Sean Murphy C OAK Mudville N
Ryan Mountcastle SS BAL Mudville N
Ian Anderson SP ATL Mudville N
Jesus Luzardo LHP MIA Mudville N
Jarred Kelenic OF SEA Mudville N
Devin Williams RP MIL Nerveclinic Y
Ha-Seong Kim 2B SD Nerveclinic Y
Pete Fairbanks RP TB Nerveclinic Y
Oneil Cruz SS PIT Nerveclinic Y
Drew Waters OF ATL Nerveclinic Y
Trevor Larnach OF MIN Nerveclinic Y
Kyle Wright RHP ATL Nerveclinic Y
Brendan Rodgers SS 2B COL Nerveclinic N
Max Meyer RHP MIA PermDude Y
Matthew Liberatore LHP STL PermDude Y
Robert Hassell OF SD PermDude Y
JJ Bleday OF MIA PermDude Y
Grayson Rodriguez RHP BAL PermDude Y
Nolan Jones 3B CLE PermDude Y
Nick Madrigal 2B CHI PermDude N
Joey Bart C SF PermDude Y
Brailyn Marquez LHP CHC Phil Y
Cristian Hernandez SS CHI Phil Y
Burl Carraway RP CHI Phil Y
Nick Gonzales 2B PIT Phil Y
Spencer Torkelson 1B DET Phil Y
Logan Gilbert RHP SEA Phil Y
Spencer Howard RHP TEX Phil Y
Nolan Gorrman 3B STL Phil Y
Randy Arozarena OF TB Taxman N
Leody Tavares OF TEX Taxman Y
Hunter Bishop OF SF Taxman Y
Austin Martin SS MIN Taxman Y
Josh Jung 3B TEX Taxman Y
Hunter Harvey RP SF Taxman Y
Kristian Robinson OF ARI Taxman Y
Alec Bohm 3B PHI Taxman N
Asa Lacy SP KC WG Y
Nick Anderson RP TB WG Y
Jordan Hicks RP STL WG Y
Brennen Davis OF CHC WG Y
Triston Casas 1B BOS WG Y
Jo Adell OF LAA WG Y
Andrew Vaughn 1B CWS WG N
Adley Rutschman C BAL WG Y
12Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:54
Am seeing no trades involving prospects.
13daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 00:55
I assume we just post our keepers list here?
14daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 00:55
Ignore that, i just saw the other thread.
15Bobo
      ID: 36211018
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 11:26
re: 12 -

I acquired Torkelson last season via trade and Castro was called up.
16Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:21
I got Logan Gilbert for Sycamores. 119 IP, so still prospect eligible.
17Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:46
Some interesting names available for a reasonable (though not theft-level) price. I will likely be keeping at least some of these, absent interest.

Probably the best thing for you to think about is 2-for-ones, you giving me 1 better player for 2 good players, if you are struggling to round out your 7. Top 10 prospects and even picks are also in play however. Just realize I don't really value picks as highly as others, given the diluted pool with so many keepers. Though I do consider a top-3 prospect pick as very valuable.

Alex Bregman
Lucas Giolito
Jorge Polanco
Dylan Carlson
Robbie Grossman
Pablo Lopez

Prospects (Likely only interesting if you are a homer who follows these guys - high upside by raw, except Busch)
Ronny Mauricio, mets
Wilmer Diazm, dodgers
Hedbert Perez, brewers
Micheal Busch, dodgers
18 Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 12:54
Sorry. Email.
19Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 13:19
Wilman Diaz
20Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 16:14
15/16: Thanks. Spreadsheet updated.
21Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 18:36
I received prospect Nolan Gorman from Phil last year in a trade - just a head's up. Thx!
22Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 18:54
Trade Made:

Black Death Returns sends Kyle Schwarber
To
The Sycamores for its 2022 5th Round Pick.

Joe
23 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 18:55
Semien is available for trade.

Best offer. Either 1st rd pick or best offer.
24 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 18:56
Confirmed trade with Black Death.
25Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 00:36
Last years standings. Drafts will be in reverse order of finish, excluding traded picks.

1. bili-cruisin' (Biliruben)
2. WG
3. The Sycamores (Phil)
4. Fightin' Amish (Perm Dude)
5. Bean's Senators (Bean)
6. Black Death Returns (Joe)
7. Mighty Meatwads (now dale)
8. Tax Rules (taxman)
9. Nerveclinic
10. artofmonk
11. Mudville
12. C1's Goose Eggs (C1-NRB)
13. GoatLockers Goons (now mailedfoot)
14. Beer City Bobo
26C1-NRB
      ID: 512402017
      Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 18:49
Trade Announcement:

C1 Trades:
Paul Goldschmidt to

daleteekz for
Shane Bieber
27daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 19:17
Trade confirmed
28Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 23:29
What date are keepers due?
29Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 00:00
Tomorrow
30Nerveclinic
      ID: 202572023
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 00:58

Anyone interested in Aaron Nola for a draft pick?

31 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 08:57
Anyone interested in Marcus Semien for a draft pick.
32Nerveclinic
      ID: 2238157
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 09:02

Nerveclinic trades Aaron Nola and his 2022 6th rd draft pick to Blackdeath for his 3rd round pick.
33Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 09:05
Confirming trade with Nerveclinic
34artofmonk
      ID: 722079
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:32
Late notice players available
Darvish
Meadows
Mahle

35Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:42
Also last-minute availability for picks:

Haniger
Flaherty
Muncy
Rodon
36Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:50

Hi guys can you please delete the old keeper list if you update so it's less confusing?

Thanks
37Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:19
It's funny, some people ask to NOT delete, so they can figure out what changed.

Can't please everyone i guess.
38Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:22
Draft Time is not yet up and running, though we still have a week before that's relevant to us. The commish in another league said he communicated with Fred at Draft Time, and he expects it to be running sometime today.
39Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:37
Just got an email that it is now up.
40Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:39
Me too, I renewed it so you all can go make sure that this league is in your active league list.

I made Nerve and PD co admins
41Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:47
Link sent for Draftime, through Yahoo. Please register for the draft when you get a moment. As Bean points out we won't need it for a week or so, but I have to set the draft order, set keepers, and input trades involving draft picks before the draft can begin.
42 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 14:45
Was away this weekend so am a bit late to the party. Will post my keepers asap, but have a bit of excess:

Carlos Correa
Jose Altuve
Cedric Mullins
Andrew Vaughn
Luis Castillo

Probably only keep 3 of those so open to a package deal or pick swap.
43Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 00:28
OK guys, setting up the prospect draft and will do a double check after getting some sleep. We'll start in the morning.
44Nerveclinic
      ID: 33201211
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:00
I cannot make a prospect pick until this evening. I didn't realize that the draft has started and I am not home.
45Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 20:59

So I left for work this morning without seeing that the prospect draft was starting today. I didn't have any of my paperwork with me.

Anyone who has been in this league for any length of time knows I am not "That guy" who holds up drafts.

I just didn't check the forum last night. My apologies.

46daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 23:39
Just a heads up, im in Australia. So my online times are a bit off. I think its usually around 2-4pm to about 8am US ET.
47WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 00:20
No worries, Nerve. Harper was clearly an oversight and I don’t think anyone has issues with the swap. No issues on the brief prospect delay either from me.

Do we have an injury allowance for replacing a keeper and if so, would I be able to swap out Luis Castillo? Just came out today he has shoulder soreness and has been shut down. Obviously would be a tough blow and also a gut punch that if the keeper deadline was 24 hours later I’d have seen the news and not kept him. Not trying to act in bad faith or anything but just want to ask if it’s a possibility to replace.
48Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 00:47

"Do we have an injury allowance for replacing a keeper and if so, would I be able to swap out Luis Castillo? "

In the past we have always said if an injury happens before the draft a swap is allowed...

49WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 00:54
Thanks Nerve. If ok with the commish and the league I’d like to swap Castillo out and Jose Altuve in in light of the injury.
50Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 01:03
I drafted Luis Giolitto as a prospect in another league. I foolishly dropped him before he got good. All I want is sympathy, PD, can you help?
51Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 11:34
test test

Posted twice in this thread the last two days, but no showing up.
52Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 11:45
I see you! But I have no idea who Luis Giolitto is, which makes me think there is a big hole in by research somewhere.
53Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 12:06
hmmm. This worked. But my post about Nerve's keepers and the earlier note to Bean disappeared!

Alrighty. Back on track.
54WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 12:41
So any opposition to allowing me to swap? You can ping PD if you're against so there's no hard feelings.
55Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 12:53
Nerve wants to correct a mistake in leaving Bryce Harper off his keeper list. Technically the keeper deadline has passed but other than thinking I might be able to snag Harper by trading up in the draft, I say this is no harm, no foul and let him make the correction.

Objections?
56 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 13:07
I’m ok with Monty keeping Harper.
57 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 13:12
I’m ok with Monty keeping Harper.
58Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 14:07
Sure. But put nerve to work as penance.
59Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 14:35
I think Nerve should have to be commish next year as his pennance.

What's the verdict on WG, PD?

Was going to start loading keepers into Yahoo and Draft Time tomorrow. Be great to have this settled today.
60Bobo
      ID: 36211018
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 18:07
I am okay with the Harper switch.

I got the Yahoo e-mail about setting keepers, yet cannot formalize that action.
61Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 18:18
You need not do anything about the Yahoo Keeper notice. Just something I had to do to start loading players in Yahoo. It caused that message to go out to everyone.
62Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 20:16
The thing is, I didn't realize Harper wasn't there until Bean and PD told me. It wasn't like I changed my mind, I thought he was there and was shocked when I was told he wasn't. Welcome to my brain these days.

First time in 20 years of this league I have done anything like that...that I remember.

As far as WG it's has always been an unwritten rule and it's happened several times, if a keeper turns up injured before the draft starts we've always let them swap out for a healthy player...as long as the regular draft hasn't started. I think it's been a few years since it's come up though.

Probably worth adding to the list of rules.
63daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 20:20
Feels quite reasonable to enable a swap.

64Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 22:07
Here is the schedule from the last thread:

March 21 Prospect Draft Begins (immediately after keepers declared)
March 25 Prospect draft End
March 25 Regular Draft begins (or sooner, if Prospect Draft is done earlier)
April 4 Regular Draft Ends
April 7 Start of Season

We need to be doing this prospect draft at about four times the speed that we have done so far. Draft Time does not populate itself with keepers and prospects. I am going to need time to get it set up once the prospect draft is over, which at this pace will be a week from now if not later, not two days like the schedule says.

Please be prepared when its your turn, and do your best to stay attentive to when you are up.
65Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 22:35

Picking within 10
66taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 23:31
2 days for one round in prospect draft is not going to get us finished much before the allstar break
67Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:18
Yeah, bad timing for me. Looks like the 3 picks before me got knocked off a few minutes after I left work for a couple beers with my boss. Can't rush that sort of face-time.

I am paying attention though. But ain't gonna sour my relationship with my boss. She's a solid drinking buddy, and she signs my paycheck.
68Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:35
<62> Didn't you take over the responsibility for the rules a few years ago? Just saying.
69Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:38
Anybody think PD will ever respond to <54><59>. Maybe he's still having trouble posting.
70Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:47
Let's get this prospect draft going today. If you can email the next managers when you pick that will help (use the Yahoo page to make it easier).

No clock yet, but at this pace I don't see how we can do without a clock very soon.
71Biliruben
      ID: 1385676
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 09:51
That was who I was agonizing over, mailedfoot. Has he transformed into the second coming of Altuve, or something much less.
72Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:05
Re WG: I believe there is precedent in this league to allowing a swap of a keeper in the case of a serious injury, so long as the timing works (i.e., before the draft starts).

The swap is fine by me.
73WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:18
Ok thanks. Latest from Rotoworld is that he has been shut down with shoulder soreness, it's a lingering issue, and he might not be ready for the start of the regular season.

I'll swap to Jose Altuve.
74mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 10:21
<71> Ha, lots of tough decisions to make in this draft. I had to force myself to pick him over other more publicized options. But everything I've read about him seems positive and the Astros must have a reasonable amount of faith in him so I figured why not.
75Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 16:40
We're going to start a clock tomorrow 8am EST, three hours/pick.
76Nerveclinic
      ID: 33201211
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 16:49
Good call PD we need to get moving.
77 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 16:58
So, yesterday I loaded your keepers into Yahoo. You can check that I did that right using "Draft Results"
Let me know if you find an error. I may still need to fix Harper and Castillo, dont remember.

Today I need to start loading keepers and prospects into Draft Time. First step is set the draft order. Its reverse order of finish.

Small issue, there were two ties. Three tied for 5th (me, Joe and mailedfoot through Meatwads) and two tied for 10th (artofmonk and Mudville 9). I handled this fairly as I have handled this in previous years.
I simply don't have time to do some process that ensures transparency for you. You'll just have to trust my honesty, dice were rolled on the table.

This is the result for the first round:

1.04 artofmonk
1.05 Mudville 9

1.08 Joe
1.09 mailedfoot
1.10 Bean

Later rounds will have an alternating pattern. that will approximate fairness.


That is all
78mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 17:02
I took over Goatlocker's team...
79Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 17:28
Thanks, guess that's Dale then. I probably would have discovered my mistake on this one.

Don't forget to look at draft results in Yahoo. I am obviously capable of messing things up.
80Nerveclinic
      ID: 33201211
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 17:55
Good call PD we need to get moving.
81WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 18:17
STOP, Alvarez was drafted in round 1.
82daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 18:41
Taxman has now picked.

Should i hold off until the Alvarez pick has been re-done?
83Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 19:39
Here are all the pick trades I could find. If there is an issue with any of these or you have more, let me know in the next 24 hours please. The bracketed numbers are thread entry numbers.

<2021 thread><129>
Sycamores 3rd round 2022 draft pick for Goose Eggs 7th round and,
Sycamores 1st round prospect pick in 2023

<2021 thread><140>
The Sycamores trades Akil Baddoo, 2022 mlb 4th rd pick, and 2023 mlb 2nd rd pick to Black Death Returns for Salvador Perez.

<2021 thread><142>
Beer City gets: 3rd rd in 2023
Sycamores gets: 8th rd in 2023

<2021 thread><144>
As part of the Turner/Soto-Baez trade between Goose Eggs and Bilicrusin':
Goose Eggs gets 2022 2nd round draft pick,
Bilicrusin' gets 2022 8th round draft pick

<2021 thread><151/152>
Nerveclinic sends 2022 Rd 8
Biliruben sends 2022 Rd 3

<2021 thread><154>
Nathan Eovaldi to The Sycamores
for
Nelson Cruz and 1st rd pick in 2023
to artofmonk
84Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 19:50
<82> Was taxman just trying to be funny. Right after Nerve takes C1's Alvarez, taxman takes Nervelinic's Clase. If it wasn't such an awful waste of time, I would be rolling on the floor.
85Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 20:22

It's not necessarily a waste of time. Other people can keep picking.

I will choose someone else but by all means if it's someone turn go for it.
86WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 21:38
STOP, Nerve's replacement pick Shane Baz is Dale's keeper.
87Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 21:57
Who wants to be the one to tell Nerve that he needs to do better?

Bryce Harper, Alvarez, Baz.

I'm not gonna be the one who does it
88Nerveclinic
      ID: 202572023
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:19
"Who wants to be the one to tell Nerve that he needs to do better?"

I did control F and Baz didn't come up. Why?

Oh because the keepers are not on the page like they always have been in the past?

I'll fix that
89Nerveclinic
      ID: 202572023
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:21
It's gonna take a while to fix it because we don't have the final keeper list in one place. Give me a half hour but just keep picking if it's your turn.
90Nerveclinic
      ID: 202572023
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:34
If someone picks a player that already belongs to someone else, just keep going. DO NOT hold up the draft because someone doesn't have their brain cells organized properly.
91Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:42
I spoiled you guys.
92Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:46

"I spoiled you guys."

Which is why we begged you to keep up the steller work.

Not everyone's brain functions for the same skills.

Lets see you sit at the computer and write a dark Industrial/Techno track, I dare you!
93Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:47
<77> Good work.
94Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:52
With all of the commotion PD, It's hard to tell, but I think its your turn in the prospect draft.
95Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 22:55

I just want to reiterate. If someone (Like me) takes a pick and it belongs to someone else, just keep going. We don't have time for our brain dead members (like me) to get around to fixing the problem. They can fix it when they discover the error. Their (my) problem...


96Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:05
<94> Already picked. Rollin' rollin' rollin'...
97Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:12
<92> Yeah, flattery is appreciated but my footprint is ever shrinking.

You guys need to step up and volunteer to help PD, who graciously stepped up knowing his own time constraints. Maybe you can be the guy who creates that list of players every year? I don't know.

In the Air Force, we had a tradition of giving the guy who messed up, the job of making sure his mistake would not be repeated by someone else. All I got, man.
98daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:14
An incentive to not finish last?

Finish last and you get offseason admin duties?
99Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:23
<97> That was the music they always played at Officer training school BTW. I shit you not.
100Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:25
keep those doggies rollin
101C1-NRB
      ID: 576541616
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:28
Kangaroo Court!
Surely we can come up with something fitting, yet marginally humiliating that is appropriate for these egregious infractions.
I changed my team name a few seasons ago because I picked up somebody's prospect and got some counting stats from him before it was caught and corrected.
102Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:29
Tatoos comes to mind
103Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 23:52
Here and poderimg, between couger and tech baskets
104Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 00:11
<98> Dale, I like how you think. Must be the marsupial in you.
105Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 00:12
I've always admired possums.
106Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 00:42
C1-NRB, we had a role in our Officer training school called assignment honcho or something like that. Needless to say, the guy had huge power/responsibility. Kinda like the HR guy with a little edge. You might be the perfect guy as PD creates his cabinet.


Have fun guys.
107Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 01:03
<104> Guys I just want you all to know. Dale and I have been playing in leagues for about ten years now. His addition to our ranks come with some euphoria, a conquest feather for Nerveclinic, I must admit.

Dale we've been together long enough that I think competitive banter is appropriate.

Dude, you suck! ;)

108Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 01:03
<104> Guys I just want you all to know. Dale and I have been playing in leagues for about ten years now. His addition to our ranks come with some euphoria, a conquest feather for Nerveclinic, I must admit.

Dale we've been together long enough that I think competitive banter is appropriate.

Dude, you suck! ;)

109Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 08:40
[thread restored to its state just prior to a system snafu.]
110Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 08:47
Thanks, Guru!

Guys, a three hour window for the prospect draft has started this morning.
111Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:46

3 hour window means, if it's "someone's" turn, and you are the next pick, if "someone" doesn't pick in 3 hours, then you are free to pick...
112 Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 11:47
Exactly.

I'm available for queues if someone wants to send anything to me. (I promise not to open the email with the pick unless needed). :)
113artofmonk
      ID: 722079
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 12:45
Just made my prospect pick. I think I made it 3 minutes early. My apologies.
114Nerveclinic
      ID: 33201211
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 14:49
What did I get wrong this time?
115Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 16:19
Will pick in a moment. This thing would go a *lot* faster if you wankers weren't taking my picks...
116Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 16:57
With all of the confusion of yesterday, some of you may have missed this important post in <83>.

I repost:

Here are all the pick trades I could find. If there is an issue with any of these or you have more, let me know in the next 24 hours please. The bracketed numbers are thread entry numbers.

<2021 thread><129>
Sycamores 3rd round 2022 draft pick for Goose Eggs 7th round and,
Sycamores 1st round prospect pick in 2023

<2021 thread><140>
The Sycamores trades Akil Baddoo, 2022 mlb 4th rd pick, and 2023 mlb 2nd rd pick to Black Death Returns for Salvador Perez.

<2021 thread><142>
Beer City gets: 3rd rd in 2023
Sycamores gets: 8th rd in 2023

<2021 thread><144>
As part of the Turner/Soto-Baez trade between Goose Eggs and Bilicrusin':
Goose Eggs gets 2022 2nd round draft pick,
Bilicrusin' gets 2022 8th round draft pick

<2021 thread><151/152>
Nerveclinic sends 2022 Rd 8
Biliruben sends 2022 Rd 3

<2021 thread><154>
Nathan Eovaldi to The Sycamores
for
Nelson Cruz and 1st rd pick in 2023
to artofmonk
117Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:37
Nice movement today.

Next 5:

4.04 taxman
4.05 dale
4.06 Joe
4.07 Bean
4.08 Perm Dude
118daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 06:10
Ill be asleep within about 2 hours. I won't be awake until about 3-4pm US ET.

To keep things going, im fine with being skipped if my turn comes up before then.
119Nerveclinic
      ID: 40211238
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 08:54
It’s Dale’s turn but he said to skip it so Joe is up in draft.
120daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 13:33
Picked now.
121Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 13:47
thanks, dale.
122daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 13:50
I woke up earlier than expected, which means i can watch F1 qualifying.

But yea, thanks for skipping. For the prospect draft, being skipped by a few people isnt really going to cause imbalance, so i appreciate it.

Id rather see things keep moving where possible.
123artofmonk
      ID: 722079
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 14:42
Can we open the draft sooner than the start date so we can set a que? I am going to be traveling most the day.
124Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 15:58
I cannot open the draft until I enter ALL keepers and prospects that are drafted.

I cannot enter ALL of the prospects until the prospect draft is done.

Right now I have entered everything up to 4.09 in both Yahoo and Draft Time, so the delay between the two drafts should be minimal.

Once I start the draft in Draft Time, I'd like the first guy to not take his pick for a few hours so that people can check my work in setting the draft up . Depending on the mistake, fixing it could be several more hours. In most cases, you should still be able to load queues throughout most of that checking/fixing time.

There will be no clock for 24 hours, then I will institute a 4 hour clock. I hope it will stay at four hours for the entire draft, but that will depend on how well you all perform.

Prospects at draft time are problematic. If someone in another draft adds a player to the database, then its suddenly an available player in all drafts.

So, if you want to draft a player who would have been prospect eligible, please check to make sure he wasn't drafted in our prospect draft already, because the data base isn't static. I'll have the prospect spreadsheet for you, but it doesn't work if you don't use it. Being sloppy about how you are doing the draft, and not using the tools you are given, can result in delays in the draft for all 14 of us.

Any questions?
125Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 16:55

When I read Bean's post (#124) it gives me goosebumps.

126Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 17:32
Monty we have talked about this.

For the rest of you, food for thought. Prospects are and have been the biggest headache for the commissioner in this league. They have also been the source of much of the rule debate we seem to have too.

Maybe its time to phase them out and make this whole process simpler, cause NOBODY including me wants to do the work that's required to make it possible.

To be clear, I wont be doing the draft again unless that is the direction we are heading (phasing out of prospects). Pitching in this year again only reminded me of how truly awful this process is. I'm all out of bandaids, paper clips and rubber bands and I am not going shopping for more.

When it comes to great ideas, we have lots of fertile studs to sire. However, we seem to have a dearth of men capable of, or willing to take on child rearing duties.

I am a 66 year old retired military man with no kids and little patience for laziness. I am not your mother. Let's get rid of these prospects.
127Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 17:45

"Let's get rid of these prospects."

If no one else in the league is willing to take on the duties of draftime, and if you won't add prospects, then it might be decided for us.

Let's see if anyone steps up. Won't be me. Not because I am lazy, just that I don't really have the aptitude to deal with that type of a process. Creative brain versus mathy/military/accountant brain.

I don't think it would be the end of the world to drop prospects going into next season, but I do like that part of the league.

129Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 17:51

Were way over 3 hours from the last pick so Mailed Foot can also go now if WG doesn't show up soon. It's a little confusing because of Dales pick out of order, which might be confusing WG.
130Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 17:55

Bean would it make a difference if next year you were only allowed 3 keeper prospect both carry over and drafted so you leave the draft with no more than 3?

131Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 18:01
They can be phased out over two years. Five prospect keepers and no draft in 2023. Compensation of some sort for future pick trades already consumated. (I think we have one).

No draft and two prospect keepers in 2024.

No prospect keepers in 2025. If you've got someone who hasn't been promoted to MLB yet and you want to keep them, use a regular keeper slot or drop them.

To further reduce the paperwork, make prospects untradeable effective now.


132Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 18:15

WG is about to make his pick and then Mud will be up. I will email Mud and let him know...

133WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 18:27
Apologies, I didn't realize I was up... my fault, should have checked more carefully.
134Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 18:33

It got really confusing there WG.

Good news is 4 more picks and we are done.

Let's do it fast to give Bean time to load up Draftime and maybe start Draft Monday Bean?

135daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 19:14
Is it worth someone doing a mock draft in draftime each year when it first opens. Just draft the top 300 prospects and the main college/HS guys?

Not sure how long it would take. But putting 1-3 teams in and just making the 1 team pick all their picks consecutively.

This way, all prospects are in the database and can have 1 combined draft.
136Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 19:20

Just a heads up. Taxman (Donny) is about 2 hours away from being able to pick.

137Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 19:55
Dale,

One season I gave Fred at Draft Time all of our prospect draft to add to the database. He did so, and it was useful to us, but it made a mess of things for all the other leagues who were ahead of us in their drafts.

I think Jason even mentioned that to me when the data base update arrived at his TPKL door step in mass. I never did that again.

I have often postulated that if you take a few mock drafts for college players, add that to MLB top 100 prospect lists and international signing lists you'd have 99% of prospects covered, and could theoretically have them added to the data base before any league ever started. But that's asking a lot from Fred who only runs Draft Time as a hobby. This year he barely got the site on line before people's scheduled drafts. I think it was the day before for the 8 Men Out league I run.

Up til last year, most of our prospects weren't even in Yahoo, let alone Draft Time. Yahoo has added pretty much all of the prospects that are signed by teams now. Generally its just the college/high school and international guys that aren't in their database now.

It all comes down to how much extra work is someone willing to do to make this stuff work Dale. I am not inspired any longer to keep busting ass frankly.

I think you can understand how league design drives how much work someone has to do to commish. Remember when you handed that TPKL clone off to me, MBS i think you called it. We bit off more than we could chew there too, though it was a little more about keeping enough managers as I recall. Joe and Phil were in that one too, right? Maybe artofmonk too, been awhile. Anyway, after trying to do keep that thing alive gave me a ton of respect for the job Jason does.

But he is a semi-autocrat, so at least he doesn't have to get permission to push the league in the direction he wants. Which is fine by me. He does an awesome job, and the way Joe chips in where Jasson lets him is great too.

Anyway, I know you just got here, we've been through alot here over the last ten years or so since I joined. It was born in the political forum here, so everyone in the league liked to argue. We've had two mid-season deaths since I started commissioning, so we've had our bumps in the road. The league has 20 years of history and is worthy of sustaining, but the workload on the commish has to shrink to what people are willing to do.
138Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 20:39
<134> If we finish the prospect draft today, I will start the draft time draft sometime tomorrow. If I haven't made any huge mistakes in loading it, and people use queues, we should be done with the first round sometime Monday and we'll have a four hour clock on Tuesday. That's my guesstimate.

If we finish the prospect draft in the next hour, it will all begin today.
139Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 21:33
Once I saw phil had posted his picks I thought we were done. I loaded all that were there then and then started the draft. When PD posts his pick, I'll simply remove it from the available player list at Draft Time if it is even in the list.

Everyone should now check that their keepers and picks are correct in Draft Time. Post something here if there is a mistake. Keep in mind that not all of your prospects are in the data base. There is a complete list of players in Draft Time you can check it against, but is ever changing.

Bobo, please do not make a pick until tomorrow morning. I will try to make sure its all good to go before i go to bed.

Meanwhile I promised my wife I would watch some TV with her. Have a good evening guys.
140Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 21:37
guess i forgot to say this. Go ahead and load queues. Maybe jot some notes down about the players you loaded in case the whole thing has to be reset due to an error.

good night
141WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 21:54
Bean, can't say it enough but thanks again for all your hard work and efforts here.

Not sure if I am missing something but I note C1 kept 3 prospects (Dominguez, Downs, Stott) and then drafted just 3 (Alvarez, Detmers, Berry). Is there a reason C1 stopped making picks in round 4 and didn't end up with 8 prospects after the draft?

Also I note Dale kept 4 (Kirby, Luciano, Green, Antone) and then made 5 picks (Jones, Ashby, Lewis, Contreras, and House) to give him 9 prospects.

I have everyone else with 8 prospects now.
142daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 22:20
Well shoot, i guess just take the last one off me.
143Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 22:30
Amazing job Bean as always...
144Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 23:25
Last pick is in. Bean: Dustin Harris (my last prospect pick) is *not* in Draftime.
145taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 23:30
Dale..why don't you delete your erronous pick from Rotoguru Poli Prospect draft thread...to be less confusing in years ahead
146artofmonk
      ID: 92181417
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 01:25
Maybe you haven't had to put the trade in yet, but it looks like I am missing my pick from The Sycamores. thanks for all of the work on this league.
147Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 01:47
WG,

As I was making the prospect draft spreadsheet, I noticed the same issues. Wont be the first time something went wrong with the prospect draft. It's too bad that nobody noticed it earlier.

Dale's is easy to fix, just drop the guy. It seems he just invented an extra pick for himself that he was never assigned. Time for a trip to the optometrist maybe? I'd keep an eye on that guy PD, those Aussies can be devious, and bear close supervision.

As to C1-NRB, he was capable of knowing he had been cheated of two picks since the day PD posted the draft order. He's been silent about it, probably not realizing until, like WG, he counted his players. Is he even aware now?

He has to accept that the responsibility to check, and let someone know, was his. Granted we started in a hurry, but we all had time to take a look at our picks and pitch a bitch. I say, let's treat it like a missed pick. We dont have time to unravel two rounds of prospect picks so he can have them when he was supposed to have them.

Give C1-NRB two more prospect picks now, and call it even. And don't wait for him to get around to it, press on with Draft Time. But that's just my opinion. I just hope PD can weigh in before the morning. I sent an e-mail to all concerned.

If the players are in the Draft Time database, I can just remove them from our draft like I suggested for PD's final pick.
148C1-NRB
      ID: 576541616
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 08:37
I would accept responsibility for missing two picks, but I blame the lockout.
I'll get a couple of guys this afternoon and post them to the Prospect Draft thread.
Carry on with the draft in Draftime; if I happen to decide on a guy in the database I'll let everyone know so he can be pulled off the board.
Glad someone is on top of things. It's all cool.
149mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 08:56
Can someone please clarify draft status?

There are still prospect picks not entered in Draftime...should we be waiting or picking?
150Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 10:03
Let's keep going on the draft--just be aware of the possibility of taken prospects that are in the player pool at Draftime. We'll try to take care of them in the meantime.
151Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 10:05
Bean: I've got some time this morning. Are you just removing those prospect picks from the Draftime pool manually? Happy to double check the taken picks and do that easy peasy.
152Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:13

"I blame the lockout."

I totally agree, the lock out has made this year different then past years, I just feel really unprepared coming into the season.

Thanks for having a good Attitude about it C1

Oh...you are up in the draft!
153Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:49
This league just seems to treat prospects just like everyone else and rolls with it.


https://www.fantrax.com/newui/fantasy/draftResultsPopup.go?leagueId=rdcx19c0l0wfijfn&type=LIVE_ONLINE&tabId=

I'd be okay with that. The draft, as it stands with over 200 of the best players protected, as almost absurdly useless. Let's put some players back in the pool.
154Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:52
Just woke up. Glad we have a happily ever after with C1's picks...thanks for cooperating C1. Yeah, the lock out left us all scrambling back then. Couple it with the league's peaceful transfer of power, and something was bound to not go perfectly.

Yes, PD, by all means, do a reconciliation of our prospects to the Draft Time player list. Here's a link to the to google docs. I'll update it once we get C1s picks. Alphabetizing the list should make things easier.
155Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:53
I think distinction between prospect and everyone else was more important back with yahoo didn't have many of them in the database. Is that still the case now?
156Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 12:26
<140> Can you be specific artofmonk?

I asked people to check <116> and let me know if its correct. Is it something I had in that list or something not in that list that you are talking about.
157Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 12:30
refernce should be <146> not <140>, sorry

Only thing I showed for you is a 2023 pick.
158Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 13:13
<155> Cam, Lots of questions all at once. First, yes the Yahoo database has more prospects in their database now. It allows me to ID more prospects with the "K", but the flip side is if they weren't in the database, they would not need to be identified. No perfect solution there.

As to including the prospects in the regular draft, Jason (aka Nerherders) does exactly that, he does not have a separate draft for prospects in the TPKL that half of us play in. He allows drop/add of prospects during the season however. Its kinda apples and oranges, but yes there is both merit and issues with merging the two drafts using the tools we currently use.

The bottom line is prospects simply lead to complications. For example, you cannot queue a player at Draft Time unless he is in the data base. You can only add him when its your turn. Lots of other issues, that's just one.

You can look at many possible ways of setting up a league if you want to diverge from standard leagues with standard rule sets.

As an example, here at rotoguru we have all fallen in love with slow drafts. Along with other benefits, its allowed us to invite people from different time zones to play with us. Nerveclinic when he was in the desert, and Dale from Australia come to mind. But that capability comes with an administrative pricetag. We could just do an on line real time draft but that might make things impossible for folks not living in North America..

Anyway, in summary, slow drafts come with the baggage of needing a supplemental program (Draft Time) to help us with draft clocks and e-mail notifications. Draft Time is not in synch with Yahoo, and the database discrepancy problem is compounded 10 fold with the addition of prospects.

It's always been my thought that most of us will play by whatever rules are put in front of us. We just play for the camaraderie and competition, afterall. We do, however, all have our own rule preferences.
159daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 13:49
On the above post, if we do ever decide to go to a live draft, I can make myself available.

I already wake up at random times to watch F1. With work setup, 95% of the time i can time a lunch break to coincide with a draft too.

160 taxman
      ID: 262341418
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 14:19
re 158 It's always been my thought that most of us will play by whatever rules are put in front of us. We just play for the camaraderie and competition, afterall. We do, however, all have our own rule preferences.

Truth
161Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 15:04
Just ran into another discrepancy in 8 men out. Enrique Hernandez in Draft Time, Kike in Yahoo.

Remember when Giancarlo Stanton was Mike Stanton. Metta World Peace was Ron Artest, Kareem was Lew Alcindor and Muhammed Ali was Cassius Clay? Some things never change, including name changing.
162Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 15:36
You are up bean. Also that's always been just his nickname
163Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 15:42
Dragging my feet while awaiting response from ArtofMonk re <146><156>.

If you are trying to plan around my pick I will be taking Berrios. Load a queue.

Also, good thing we don't play fantasy WNBA. It would be bothersome with all of the surname changes and hyphenations.
164Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 16:10
<161> And Joey Belle.
165Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 16:35
I saw Albert "Joey" Bell up close at the AAA ballfield near my house. He was on alcohol rehab. Saw Daryl Strawberry while on drug rehab too. Saw Jim Thome, he wasn't rehabbing anything, just hadn't been promoted yet. He was just busy winning the minor league batting title. He was the first ever Skysox to be inducted in the Hall of Fame, so they had a bobblehead give away in his honor, they ran out before I got mine.

Speaking of name changes, as a fellow ex-Clevelander, I think you'll like this one PD. My nephew sent me a gift. A T-shirt with the skull of Chief Wahoo wearing his iconic single feather headdress. Says RIP below the picture. I wear it with pride. Go Tribe! Go Guardians!
166Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:00
A friend made pretty good argument that they should have been renamed the Rockefellers. Go Rocks!
167Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:01
I don't mind the name change so much if they'd picked a better name! I don't know anyone who likes "Guardians."

I totally would have liked Spiders.
168daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:07
They might just be preparing for the next Marvel movie. Much easier to make a special one off fan gear if you don't need to change the name.
169C1-NRB
      ID: 512402017
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:12
Last prospects posted.
170Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:21
thanks C1, I'll post the update ASAP.

BTW, Morgan sent me a text, said to give him 10 minutes.

So hopefully the fix is simple or not necessary and we'll back in business.
171Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 17:37
<169> Had to remove Arias from Draft Time, Owen isnt in the DB. The spreadsheet is updated, and the link can be found at the end of the draft thread if you didn't bookmark it already.
172Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 18:14
For those who are thinking WTF, why isnt Bean drafting, he's been on the clock forever, he doesnt pick but rambles on here.

We are waiting on Artofmonk to begin a dialogue to fix a problem. If you want to understand it, look at the following posts:

<116> <146> <156> <163>

This is potentially something earthshattering or it could just be a misunderstanding.

I'm taking Berrios....load your queues until this is settled.
173artofmonk
      ID: 92181417
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 18:31
I am sorry. this trade post in <116> says 1st pick in 2023 not 2022.

174artofmonk
      ID: 92181417
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 18:43
once again, My apologies.I will take the pick in 2023 and we can continue.
175Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 18:52
I took Berrios, PD autopicked, Phil is on the clock.
176Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 18:54
Wait, we are still untimed. So, on the clock is just an expression. I will start a four hour clock over the evening pause. Whoever has their turn at 8 AM EDT will have until noon EDT to make their pick.
178Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Mar 28, 2022, 17:59
Just wanted to say that the draft is going really well so far, thanks for that.

Keep an eye on the projected finish that is in the upper right when you look at the main draft page for our league. I'll be using that to determine if we need to reduce our pick time. Right now it's a four hour limit. As long as the projected finish time is APR 5 or earlier, I wont reduce the limit, though I hope we finish by 4 APR.

Again, thanks for being attentive. Keep up the good work.
179Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 16:45
The draft is going well, and I have loaded your players, including prospects, to Yahoo through the 6.04.

When we finish the seventh round, and I have loaded all the players I can, I will be starting the Yahoo league. This is a point of no return of sorts, because I wont be able to add a "K" to your prospects after that.

If you haven't already done so, you need to make sure that I have properly entered your prospects. You can check them at the Yahoo league...select Draft>Draft Results, then sort by team. You'll find your prospects in the last eight rounds. Remember those college/high schoolers and international players are likely not available in Yahoo.

Silence is approval. The problem will be yours to deal with during the season, as the subtle reminder that the "K" provides wont be on your prospects. Mistakes will be made.
180 loki
      ID: 57252918
      Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 19:16
As many of you know the Dirty Dozen league has disbanded. I only like to play in 2 leagues per season, so RIBC AAA is now my only baseball league. If a place opens in your league, please let me know. Thx!!
181Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 17:39
You'll note that I have begun the season at Yahoo. If I did things right, I have removed everyone's prospects from their rosters and all of your regular keepers and drafted players should be on your roster through 8.06. Make sure you look at Mar 31 before whining, but take a look and let me know if there is an issue.

From now until the end of the draft, you will not be able to Trade or Add/Drop. You can set lineups and I will continue to add players to your roster as you draft them. All of our prospects are now listed as FA with a "K" in the available player listing. You can promote them before the season starts. Most of you know the drill, pay attention. Don't take someone you don't have rights to please.

Keep doing the great job you are doing for the draft and we will have a little time for you to tweak your roster post draft.
182Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 21:42
Thanks, Bean.
183Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:28
hehe,

Can't wait to watch Will Smith, LAD - C, smack the Rock out of the park this year.
184Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:39
Sorry, I have him on 3 of my 4 rosters this year. I had to say something.
185Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:14
I can't wait either. Go Dodgers.
186Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:14
I emailed thread via the app to add a player I couldn't find in daftrhyme. Is that the best way?
187Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:17
I am sure he will get a standing ovation, har-har
188Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:18
Actually, you can just add him when its your turn . Use search > Add player.
189Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:23
If he hits his first homer off of Will SMith, RP, and since the event involves a pitcher and a catcher. Would this be a case of Will Smith involved in Assault and Battery? Just saying.
190Cam Solomon
      ID: 298211621
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 13:35
Hah!
191Bobo
      ID: 342442820
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 20:36
Thank you for the recent roster adds for me as we wrapped the draft. Was traveling with family as we embark on Spring Break in the South.
192Bobo
      ID: 342442820
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 21:29
Thank you for the recent roster adds for me as we wrapped the draft. Was traveling with family as we embark on Spring Break in the South.
193Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 22:15
Where in the South Bobo?
194 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 00:32
Have fun Bobo and thanks for the transition.

Check your rosters, make sure to look at tomorrow. Let me know if you are missing anyone.

If you want to make a waiver claim now, send me an e-mail. Otherwise, you should be able to pick free agents up without using your waiver priority on 5 APR somewhere around Noon EDT. Don't ask me at exactly what time, I will just laugh at you and give you no answer. I probably wont even reply to the e-mail to tell you nothing.

If you are worried about not getting that special guy you want, use your waiver priority, that's what its there for. I'm not picking anyone up so there's no conflict of interest that you can accuse me of.

Questions?
195Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 00:35
Oh, and its also at that around noon time on 5 APR that you should be able to promote prospects, since thats the same mechanic as adding a free agent.
196Bobo
      ID: 342442820
      Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 09:01
@Nerve -we are in Myrtle Beach for the week now. Stopped off in Virginia Beach for a minute to visit my brother in law & eat dinner at his restaurant.

Sitting on a deck facing the ocean with coffee now sure beats Michigan at the moment.
197Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 10:49
FYI,

Yahoo standard leagues now have FOUR IL slots. Food for thought with the increase of IL10 use.
198Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 11:25
Is that a carry over from COVID?
199Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 13:00
I think its a carry over from high use of IL10 in the majors. Teams are far more likely to put players on the IL now, COVID or not.

Yahoo standard leagues put all players on Waivers too, they use FAAB of $100.

We do so much non-standard stuff here at Rotoguru, people coming from Yahoo public leagues would not recognize the game we play here as fantasy baseball.


Getting off my soapbox now. Watch my dismount.....nailed it.
200daleteekz
      ID: 02551823
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 07:26
Just clarifying, i can make FA adds? I just need to make sure they arent on someone elses prospect roster?
201Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 10:22
Yep. Most of untouchables should hopefully be marked with a K. But check the list in case they were added late.
202Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 10:22
If they are youngsters...
203Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 11:35
Nobody reported me missing anyone, so it should just be international signings and guys that were on mock drafts for this summer that didn't get the "K". I think there were four or five total, two were mine.


The prospect spreadsheet lists them all.

204Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Apr 16, 2022, 12:25
Any thoughts on returning to W vs QS or S+H vs S in the future?

How bout changing the number of keepers or prospects?

Invoking a minimum GP/IP rule?
205Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 07:24
QS is irritating. In today's game, my pitchers seem to excel at 5 2/3rds scoreless.
206Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 10:42
When we switched from W to QS, Tampa was the only team that was using starters for lower innings. Now a complete game is so rare, odds are you'll get pulled even if you have no hitter going.

I think we should go back to W next year. The QS is as rare as a SV nowadays.
207 Taxman
      ID: 143561011
      Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 20:38
I like the S+H format

and I like the QS over W

I think QS and S+H provide more usable pitchers, which helps in a deep league.
208artofmonk
      ID: 283231916
      Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 17:23
I also don't love QS, but I love the S+H. Another league I play in has both wins and QS. It is very interesting.
209WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 13:19
Shane McClanahan is my prospect, Art please drop. Can his waiver date be adjusted please.
210Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 13:42
Dropped McClanahan from ArtofMonk Roster.
211Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 13:48
Made him a FA if you need to pick him up, WG.
212WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 14:10
Thanks both!
213artofmonk
      ID: 373532014
      Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 15:53
my apologies. I searched this thread instead of the draft thread. My mistake.
214Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:08
So, there seems to be some interest in W vs QS (me, artofmonk and Biliruben). There also seems to be some interest in S+H vs SV (me, artofmonk and Taxman).

Only four managers weighing in so far, maybe worth putting to a vote?
215Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 11:58
I don't like holds. It's too arbitrary and doesn't often reflect actual contribution to winning the game.

I would very much like to move to Ws from QS. 6+ inning starts aren't really much of a thing in today's game. Baseball has moved on, and it's not really a measure of quality anymore. It's often a measure of questionable managing.
216Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 19:07
I'd rather have QS over W and I'd prefer S+H over S.
217Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 14:51
Agree with Joe. SP is already devalued enough in MLB--until they do away with the minimum five IP for SP's to get W's that is.
218Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 21:21

QS and S for me
219Bobo
      ID: 8231213
      Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 14:38
I was very much on the QS train because I really believed that was the direction things were going.

Since the pandemic season and after, I am not sure. I haven't mined enough data on either side of the argument.

I think I would pivot go in favor of Ws now, if it were up for a vote.

Is there any belief that if we transitioned to S+H over SV that we'd need to allow for slightly expanded rosters to add pitching depth?
220WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 14:50
I would vote for Wins over QS for the reasons stated above; namely, that SP don't seem to go as deep into games as they used to, and also because if a RP gets a Win it doesn't count in our system.

I would also vote to keep Saves over S+H, or would maybe vote for Holds counting for half as much as Saves if that were an option.
221mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 19:46
This is the first league I've played in with QS as a stand-alone category and would like to see how it plays out over a season before voting to change. So if this is a vote - QS.

Ref S vs S+H, don't have strong preference either way but think S+H makes sense in conjunction with QS. Again, if this is a vote - S+H.
222Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 21:17
Agree with Joe. SP is already devalued enough in MLB--until they do away with the minimum five IP for SP's to get W's that is.
223WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 23:17
Tylor Megill was pretty good tonight, but not quite good enough for that QS :0
224Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, May 02, 2022, 19:22
It feels like I have a dozen scoreless 5 to 5.2s. Nobody should be near to leading the league in Ws, first in ERA, middle of the pack in IP, and last in anything that might be pretending to be a useful stat for "quality" of their starts. It clearly measures nothing of the sort.
225C1-NRB
      ID: 576541616
      Sat, May 07, 2022, 00:15
I think I was originally Pro QS, but I'm not now. I prefer straight W.
SV+H I like. I would also get behind a two Holds = one Save if the we find a host that can handle it.
226Perm Dude
      ID: 94182813
      Sat, May 28, 2022, 14:18
bili: I removed D Williams from your roster since he is still a prospect keeper of nerve's.
227Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Sat, May 28, 2022, 15:54
Pulled Gilbert off of Tax's roster. Unfortunately I can't add him to your roster before tomorrow, though I tried a few different ways. bili: He's a FA now.
228Biliruben
      ID: 2424673
      Sun, May 29, 2022, 17:24
Thanks Pd!
229WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Jun 05, 2022, 10:53
Another prospect add (Kirby) that needs amending, I believe. Two things: If it's too good to be true (Kirby, McClanahan, Gilbert being FA), it probably is. And I'd highly recommend people starring/watchlisting prospects to alert you who not to add.
230Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Jun 05, 2022, 11:52
I dropped Kirby but it wont take effect until tomorrow, so I took him out of Taxman's starting lineup too. It's would be too late for Dale to grab Kirby and start him today in any case. I also gave WG co-commish privileges since he is often the guy who first notices this stuff. WG just fix it and let everyone know next time.
231Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 17:11
The Shane McClanahan drop doesn't appear to be "too good to be true" as he's passed the prospect ceiling already. As far as I can tell from the rules, he is eligible to be picked up by anyone through the waiver process.
232WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 18:12
From the rules above: Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until the end of the season in which they exceeded the stated prospect limits.

I drafted him in the P draft this year, so he would have exceeded the limits in season... so I can call up and send down all year, no?
233Perm Dude
      ID: 71111821
      Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 21:11
Ah, you're right--new(er) rule that updated the "immediately lost eligibility" rule which always caused mad dashes to the FA list.
234Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Jun 09, 2022, 23:16
The rule changed so that the commish did not have to police this stuff all season. With the way the rule is now, commish just checks for prospect eligibility once per year, off season.
235Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 18:58

Nerveclinic trades Daleteekz Prospect O'Neil Cruz, Alex Kirillof and his 3rd round pick in '23 for Goldschmidt and his 7th round pick.
236daleteekz
      ID: 3437121
      Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 19:10
confirmed
237 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 21:24
Taylor Rogers, RP otb for a small pick swap.
238WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 19:38
TRADE

WG gets Hunter Renfroe
Phil gets Yoan Moncada + prospect Brennen Davis
239 Phil Turner
      ID: 11702516
      Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 17:00
Confirmed.
240 Phil Turner
      ID: 11702516
      Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 17:01
CJ Cron available for a prospect or pick.
241Nerveclinic
      ID: 412211712
      Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 20:17
I posted this in the Yahoo message but here again...

WG You are a beast sir.

If anyone wants to learn how to win a league, go to WG's team and look at all the positions that he used all the available starts (162)

That's called being a pro and putting in the work.

You schooled me.

Well deserved win.

Congrats.
242Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 09:40
Grats WG
243 Joe
      ID: 251130817
      Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 10:38
Congrats on the title!
244WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 11:11
Thanks Bean and Joe, and thanks for the nice words, Nerve. Heck of a battle this year as we separated from the pack. Think it was 124.5-124 going into the last day and I really thought it could go either way as I was maxed in innings and thought I couldn't gain in hitting. Felt lucky to hang on.

Looking forward to another good year next year!
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