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0 Subject: 2023 Political Baseball Pre-season

Posted by: Perm Dude - [28128412] Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 13:30

The Poli Baseball League Constitution

Rule Changes

In order for a new rule or rule change to pass, we need a majority the league (not voters) to vote yes. This is currently 8 of 14. The manager who proposes the rule should make a reasonable effort to publicize that there is a vote going on. If a majority do not vote for the proposal within a week, the proposal fails.

Yahoo Baseball
7 keepers; No more than 5 prospect keepers
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List - 1 day waiver period
Trade Deadline - Closest Sunday to August 31st
Trade Review - League Votes
Supplemental draft picks may be traded

Scoring Settings
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util
SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Max IP - 1400
Batters Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases
(SB), On Base Percentage (OBP)
Pitchers Categories: Quality Starts (QS), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average
(ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

MLB Supplemental Draft
Draft Utility - Draftime
Player must be in the Yahoo database at the time he is picked in the
supplemental draft.
No time limit initially, unless deemed necessary
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings

Prospect Draft & Rules
Straight Draft, Reverse order of standings
To be conducted BEFORE the Supplemental Draft
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible
Any player at any level (as long as they are under limits) can be drafted as prospect. College, International, Little League etc.
You can retain up to 5 prospect eligible players from one season to next
There are 8 rounds in the prospect draft - minus a pick for each prospect you carry over.
ALL teams are entitled to EXACTLY 8 prospects by the end of the prospect draft. NO TEAM will be allowed to have any number other than eight prospects at the end of the prospect draft.
Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until the end of the season in which they exceeded the stated prospect limits. As with our new rule, managers can keep prospects for the entire season in which they exceed their stated prospect level limits. So, if your prospect hits the limit in May, you may still hold his rights as a prospect until the beginning of the following season. Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.

Prospect rights may be traded.
Prospect picks may be traded as long as receiving team has enough spots to make the draft pick at time of draft.
You can trade for as many prospects as you like - however you'll need to have 5 or less at the time of the Prospect Draft

Poli League Trophy Case
2001 Toral
2003 Baldwin
2004 Skanks 4 Bush
2005 Baldwin
2006 1625 K St Allstars
2007 Biliruben
2008 Biliruben
2009 Tree
2010 Biliruben
2011 Nerveclinic
2012 GO
2013 WG
2014 GO
2015 WG
2016 Nerveclinic
2017 Meatwads
2018 Meatwads/Nerveclinic
2019 WG
2020 Nerveclinic
2021 Biliruben
2022 Wazaaap Guy
1Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 13:34
Some housekeeping:

-IMPORTANT: We need to have a head count of returning managers. Please chime in here confirming that you are back.

-If you've been on the new season's Yahoo page, you'll see this message: "Fantasy league message boards are not going to be available for the current season however you can still access historical message board posts through your fantasy profile. You can continue to communicate with your league via Fantasy Chat, email and commissioner notes. Moving forward we are investing in chat as the best place for league communication and will be adding threading, pinning, polls and more. We welcome your feedback about how your league used message boards." It'll be a little harder to communicate, but do make sure that we have your email address as backups.

-the new MLB rule changes will absolutely affect stats and their values to teams. Keep that in mind as you look over your keepers and make draft plans.

Once we get a full league checked in, I'll sign us up for Draftime. In the meantime I'll update prospects lists (though everyone should be checking their own prospects anyway). Hope to have a tentative schedule for keepers, drafts, etc early next week.
2mailedfoot
      ID: 52151412
      Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 13:55
In
3Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 14:05
In
4WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 14:07
In
5 Mudville 9
      ID: 31138419
      Sat, Feb 04, 2023, 20:38
In
6 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 07:51
In.
7C1-NRB
      ID: 576541616
      Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 12:40
In
8Nerveclinic
      ID: 150293015
      Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 13:23
In
9 Joe
      ID: 1413513
      Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 14:03
In.
10 loki
      ID: 10129515
      Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 20:37
Looking for a 2nd league after the demise of the Dirty Dozen.
Please let me know if you have an opening.
Thx.
11Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 13:04
Of course, if you're willing to give up a stud, I'll entertain my two for your one kind of trades. Look at my roster.

Otherwise, I have a few guys for the trade block. Looking for pick upgrades or top prospects. Here are my trade block guys:

Taylor Ward LAA - OF
Trevor Story BOS - 2B
Thairo Estrada SF - 2B,SS,OF
Raisel Iglesias ATL - RP
David Bednar PIT - RP
Chris Bassitt TOR - SP
Martín Pérez TEX - SP
12Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 13:11
Overlooked one:

Michael Kopech, who was on my prospect roster at the end of the season, is available too. He is no longer prospect eligible.
13Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 19:23
Waiting on

Art of Monk
Bobo
taxman
Dale
bilirubin

Sent emails to each of them.
14Biliruben
      ID: 13150918
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 19:50
In
15Biliruben
      ID: 13150918
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 19:53
Peaked in last week. I promise.
16daleteekz
      ID: 211919
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 20:01
Sorry guys, im in.

Totally forgot i needed to check in here.
17Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 21:04
Also, you spelled my name right, PD. Shame.
18Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 21:19
Ooops.
19Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 21:42
Is Fantasy Chat something that's live now?
20 taxman
      ID: 240332712
      Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 01:02
In
21Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 19:22
Paging Art of Monk and Bobo...
22Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 15:15
I'm in. Sorry.

Last 2 weeks of work I've been on the road and out of routine.
23artofmonk
      ID: 560123010
      Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 10:46
in
24Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 13:37
Looks like everyone is back this year.

Draftime registration link being emailed in a moment. We have some time (we're tentatively scheduled to start 3/20) but please register ASAP. MLB starts with all teams playing on March 30th, so the season will start sooner than expected.

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE:

Keepers due March 13th
March 13 Prospect Draft begins (immediately after keepers declared)
March 20 Prospect Draft ends
March 20 Regular Draft begins (sooner, if WE GET THE Prospect Draft done earlier)
March 28 Regular Draft Ends (or sooner, God willing)
March 30th Start of Season
25Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 01, 2023, 21:52
Are we playing this year? Waiting for a Keeper thread, so I can post mine. Keeper deadline is 13 MAR.
26daleteekz
      ID: 4824033
      Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 04:49
Can I just confirm for Kirby, id need to list him as an MLB keeper?
27Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 09:19
Here's the prospect rule from above:
Under 300 AB's or 125 IP to be draft eligible

I show George Kirby with 130 career IP. You can only keep him as a MLB keeper, not as a prospect. Aaron Ashby has 139 IP, and Roansy Contreras has 95 IP on my spreadsheet.

Quite a pitching staff you were building there, if only we could keep more, eh?
28 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 12:59
Got some interesting leftovers if anyone needs a keeper: Cedric Mullins, Jose Altuve, Andres Gimenez, Carlos Correa, and Kyle Wright. Open to moving these and anyone not listed for a prospect, S-pick upgrade, or in a 2/3 for 1.
29daleteekz
      ID: 4824033
      Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 17:57
Thanks Bean. Just wanted to make sure I understood it properly. Ashby might need to be put back into the draft unfortunately.

Im only seeing 6 keepers and 5 are pitchers. I definitely need some offense at some point.
30Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 12:43
Keeper deadline is 13 MAR:

No posted keepers for:
Morgan (artofmonk)
Biliruben
daleteekz
Nerveclinic
31 artofmonk
      ID: 560123010
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 13:02
I have two players that could be great keepers for a team.
Yu Darvish
Luis Castillo
I might switch one of them for JT Realmuto. Send me an offer if you are interested. These are all top 65 players. Shoot me an email.
32WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 13:13
Art, I see Julio Rodriguez is on Dale's team?
33artofmonk
      ID: 560123010
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 14:04
Julio was on my prospects last year.
34artofmonk
      ID: 560123010
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 14:07
i drafted in 2021 in the prospect draft. Not sure how he ended up on Dale's team.
35WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 14:26
You're right, looks like Dale added on 5/28 and everyone missed it, and he remained on Dale's team the rest of the year. Since he exceeded limits last year he would remain Art's prospect.

Moving forward, any solutions for this type of thing? Penalty?
36Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 14:49
dale has to be commish next year as punishment
37Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 20:41
Trade announcement:

WG trades: Andres Gimenez, Adley Rutschman, Carlos Correa

Fightin's Amish trade: Bo Bichette

No picks change hands.

38 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 20:58
Confirmed.

Still got Cedric Mullins and Jose Altuve to trade if anyone wants. Preference is to pair with Max Scherzer for an SP upgrade, or take a good pick/pick swap.
39Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 21:52
Except for Alek Thomas (for which we've emailed artofmonk), all prospect keepers are below the thresholds.

You all still have time to change keepers, make trades, etc. But not much...
40Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:30

Trade

Nerveclinic trades Verlander and his 6th round pick for PD's 3rd round pick.

41Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:48
Confirmed.
42WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:50
For completeness, are we saying end of day today is keeper deadline? Since P-draft slated to start tomorrow.
43Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:53
Trade announcement

Nerveclinic trades Zac Gallen and his 4th round pick, for Phils (The Sycamore) 3rd round pick
44Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:53

"For completeness, are we saying end of day today is keeper deadline? Since P-draft slated to start tomorrow."

I guess it would have to be...
45 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:55
Confirmed.
46Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 13:59
Yes--keepers can be changed up until midnight EST.
47Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 19:15
Some housekeeping:

Phil: Your keeper is Elly De La Cruz rather than Elley De La Cruz, fyi.

As far as I can tell there were no *prospect* draft pick trades. Let me know if I'm overlooking *prospect* draft pick changes.

Drafts are in reverse order of finish:

The Sycamores (Phil)
Beer City Bobo
Fightin' Amish (Perm Dude)
C1's Goose Eggs
daleteekz
artofmonk
Black Death Returns (Joe)
Bean's Senators
Foot's Deadbeat Club
Tax Rules
Mudville
bili-cruisin'
Nerveclinic
Wazaaap Guy
48Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 22:51
A reminder that Prospect Keepers are players drafted in the prospect draft and who remain under the playing limits.

A manager cannot keep a player as a prospect keeper simply because the player was on their active roster at the end of the season.

Such players can, however, be kept as a regular keeper.
49Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:01
Putting up a prospect draft thread now, though there is still another hour to declare keepers (and Phil has to make a keeper change--I just emailed him about it).
50Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:06
I repost from <83> of last year's thread with the following time stamp: Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 19:39. I am certain there were others since then. Anyway, there is a reference to a prospect draft pick in the first entry. A few references to 2023 regular picks too. Take a look:

Here are all the pick trades I could find. If there is an issue with any of these or you have more, let me know in the next 24 hours please. The bracketed numbers are thread entry numbers.

<2021 thread><129>
Sycamores 3rd round 2022 draft pick for Goose Eggs 7th round and,
Sycamores 1st round prospect pick in 2023

<2021 thread><140>
The Sycamores trades Akil Baddoo, 2022 mlb 4th rd pick, and 2023 mlb 2nd rd pick to Black Death Returns for Salvador Perez.

<2021 thread><142>
Beer City gets: 3rd rd in 2023
Sycamores gets: 8th rd in 2023

<2021 thread><144>
As part of the Turner/Soto-Baez trade between Goose Eggs and Bilicrusin':
Goose Eggs gets 2022 2nd round draft pick,
Bilicrusin' gets 2022 8th round draft pick

<2021 thread><151/152>
Nerveclinic sends 2022 Rd 8
Biliruben sends 2022 Rd 3

<2021 thread><154>
Nathan Eovaldi to The Sycamores
for
Nelson Cruz and 1st rd pick in 2023
to artofmonk



Lots to sort out.
51Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:21
Hmm, maybe <50> is all there is. Surprising not one pick trade last year in Yahoo.

This preseason, just two reg pick trades I see:
<40> Nerveclinic trades Verlander and his 6th round pick for PD's 3rd round pick.

<43> Nerveclinic trades Zac Gallen and his 4th round pick, for Phils (The Sycamore) 3rd round pick
52Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:26
PD, you missed:

<2021 thread><129>
Sycamores 3rd round 2022 draft pick for Goose Eggs 7th round and,
Sycamores 1st round prospect pick in 2023

Need to try again with your prospect draft order. Hopefully Phil is fully cognizant that he traded away his first overall pick to C1's Goose Eggs.
53Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:33
Am too tired to look through right now, but do we have a rule about a manager who, through trades, doesn't have enough draft picks to enter the season with 8 prospect? The first trade moves a 2023 prospect pick but nothing coming back to even it out.
54Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 23:37
In lieu of a rule, I'm going to add another round to C1's prospect draft, then award that last pick to the Sycamores.
55Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 00:22
This league isn't snake?
56Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 00:24
Must be confusing it. I see straight draft above.
57Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 05:52
C1: You can pick at any time.
58Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:26
How does Phil have rights to prospect Hunter Brown? He wasn't on anyone's prospect roster last season.
59Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 12:35
He does not. This is why Brown isn't on the keepers list and why Phil has the number of picks that he does.
60 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 13:07
Thought I could but was wrong. Brown is not on my list.
61Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:06
artofmonk: I replied to your email about the next pick. Let me know ASAP.
63Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:37
Bili: This league isn't snake?

If I recall correctly, the reason we did that, 20 years ago, was since it was a keeper league, it was a way to help weaker teams that didn't have solid keepers. It was a way to give them an advantage over currently stronger teams. It was specifically done because it's a keeper league.

Some keeper leagues only let you keep a player for 3 years, 5 years,, or charge a higher "salary" every year you own the player. In this league we just did the non snake draft.
64Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:42
Just have to say this. "It was a way to give them an advantage over currently stronger teams."

If only we could get people to stop tanking, and let the ACTUAL weaker teams it was intended for, gain the advantage .

You really think this is working Nerve?

65Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:45
Oh, and if anyone wonders if this is a shot at them personally, it was, so you needn't wonder any longer.
66Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:52
Will a snake draft get people to stop tanking? I have my doubts.
67Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:54
Trade:

Perm Dude trades 2023 prospect draft picks 1.03 and 3.03 to artofmonk for 1.06 and 2.06.
68artofmonk
      ID: 560123010
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:56
confirmed
69Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:57
We could drop the IP limits to something more reasonable. Even with a couple of heavy streamers (me included) nobody but 1st and 2nd were able to even come close to that limit. Maybe 1200.

I tried to trade for a few starters mid-season, but I would have crippled my bats. Asking prices were too high.

There just aren't enough SP arms for people to reach 1400 unless they stream.

And nobody is going to stream unless the are crazy (me) or they are in it.
70Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 14:58
<66> RANDOM snaking draft would. Of course you would lose parity.
71Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 15:11
#69: And the game has changed so much the last 5-6 years so that SP no longer go deep into the games. In addition, some teams go to 6 man rotations, which means the ace of the staff will lost 5 starts in a season.

I stream a lot, too, but when the average SP gets 5 innings now it might make us have to re-think whether our categories are accurately catching real MLB play.
72Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 15:18
QS still a thing? Fewer QS than SV nowadays, and half the leagues use S+H now too, most who didn't go to QS, as we did, are glad they didn't.

Of course you could argue that SB is a rare stat that needs to go away too. Lots of possibilities for next year.
73Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 17:44
SB's are going to go *waaay* up this year with the rule changes.

(likely giving rise to a slight bump in runs as a result)
74daleteekz
      ID: 522381012
      Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 17:52
In another league, i didnt mind the move from W to QS. It was a bit weird at first as relievers became less relevant. But then the move to expand Sv to Hld+sv brought them back in line again.

And if you bring down the max IP, it still enables elite relievers to hold their place due to the high K/9 they bring.
75Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 05:32
My point being, Bean, that if you were using innings to judge tanking, its more likely a dearth of quality arms paired with apathy.

Of course if you caught someone actively benching, that's different.

Though at least they were engaged!
76Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 10:26
You guys and your insistence that you should not have to pitch 9 innings in a game. 1400 IP in a season is roughly a full season of IP. Just like 162 games for every position on the field, you have to field a full team to participate in MLB. You forfeit the game if you don't have players on the field, right?

Cam, the argument that there aren't enough good pitchers is falling on deaf ears. Define good enough. If by not good enough, you mean not as good as another manager has, well there will be differences from one team to another. That's a given. All I can say is, draft better and quit giving up good pitchers to chase a streaming strategy.

The only argument that I find credible when people are having issues with achieving an IP minimum is that they need more P positions cause they can't start enough, or they just want more BN and/or IL slots.

The root of the whining is usually based in a team philosophy of tank and ignore your team for the season. Are you even playing then? Or are you just blowing off your team for years, until you have cheated the parity system enough to make a run.
77Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 10:45
I find that they only way I ever pay attention on a daily basis is when I stream.

That's peak engagement.

For me.

Comparing fantasy IP and AB to real MLB teams is a fools errand.

I find the trade off to be either a positional deficit or a innings deficit. I would much prefer the later.

If you want to compare it to MLB, would you leave SS empty? Ever?
78Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 10:48
I find the trade off to be either a positional deficit or a innings deficit. I would much prefer the later.

Then all you need do is increase the roster size, right?
79Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 10:49
Dude. You didn't max out anything but 2nd base!

I'm honestly not whining at all. I was trying to assuage your weird concerns. But you are just as "Tanky" as the rest of us.

You didn't even bother to play defense for a over a week in some cases!

80Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:10
Bili,

Are you sure you want to debate whether or not I was tanking? If I wanted to tank, I would have done a lot better than finishing in the middle of the pack.

Who were the top 2 in GP in the league last year?

Better questions: How many players do we have on our rosters, and how many do MLB teams have on theirs?
81Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:13
There are a lot of ways to give people an incentive not to tank.

How I do it in my home league is I give 1st pick in every round to 7th place.
82Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:17
I once played in a fantasy basketball league with a bunch of early AI researchers.

You would have loved it. They spent massive amounts of time writing programs taking into account defense and synergistic effects of certain point guards with certain types of power forwards, based on real-time stats.

Do you know what happened? It collapsed in on itself. No one could create a strategy, because no one except maybe the programmers (but I have my doubts) understood how it worked. Everybody quit. Coincidently the year I drafted Lebron James.

83Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:20
Perfect, I came in 7th...so its decided then?
84Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:21
I think WG wrote that program
85Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 11:27
He he!
86 Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 18:18
let's start emailing the next two guys when you pick. Would like to move through this asap.
87Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 19:26
Found this in a random article:


Year Total QS
2022 1776
2021 1584
2019 1794
2018 1996
2017 2121
2016 2262
2015 2432
2014 2623
2013 2556
2012 2485

88Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 19:40
By comparison, the median of the total saves by team was 41. Figure total saves for MLB is about 1200. Just pointing out how the QS is becoming as rare as a save. Wins is simple, the average is 81, the total for 30 teams is 2430. Don't quibble over unplayed games please.

Median SB per team was 85. Figure 2500ish for total SB for the league.

What is the rarest stat? Where is the league headed? Inquiring minds want to know.
89Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 21:12
W's can be taken by either SP or RP, and fewer SP are getting them. If we keep them as a position the best measure is QS. Even if they are getting rarer.
90daleteekz
      ID: 522381012
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 21:36
Being a rarer stat, wouldnt that help keep up the value of a SP?
91Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 21:50
Why do we care about rarity? I mean, we don't want hitting for the cycle or something.

But neither do we want number of pitches you didn't swing at, even though it's extremely common.

I don't get it.
92daleteekz
      ID: 522381012
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 21:51
IDK, overall im happy with the categories we use.

Been in some weird leagues that end up with about 16+ categories overall. What we use keeps it simple and is fairly well aligned to industry, which makes ranking sites a lot more relevant.
93Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 22:02
hehe,

Folks this is what's called food for thought. Are you still hungry or vomiting?

With rare stats, there is a bit of unicorn hunting that goes on. Maybe you like that or maybe you don't.

We've talked alot about S vs S+H on this forum. Just trying to put some perspective on other "rare" counting stats we use.

Sorry to place some knowledge on ya, revelations can be confusing and disorienting. Try sitting and taking deep breathes. Don't try this at home, we are highly trained professionals.
94Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 22:38
<90> QS sustains the value of pitchers who pitch 6+ innings per start. It diminishes starting pitchers who pitch less.

When you have both QS and S (vs W and S+H) you are reducing the value of many pitchers, both starter and reliever. You begin to chase the rare stat more, like the deer hunter who sees a unicorn through the thicket.

Choices have consequences. Just like it when people are making informed decisions.

FYI, I can live with the choices, even if they aren't mine.
95Biliruben
      ID: 13150918
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 23:16
I have been a vocal critic of QS, but not because it is rare. It is not. I dislike it because it isn't a good measure of quality. It reflects age and managerial temperment. Somebody who throws 5 2/3rds shutout ball with 10Ks shouldn't get nothing.
96daleteekz
      ID: 522381012
      Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 23:56
I dont mind either way. The other argument to that 5 2/3'rds pitcher, are the ones who go 7-8 innings of 0 run ball and get nothing too, because their team didnt score either.
97Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 00:21
2019 was the first year we used QS over W. I believe we actually voted on it in 2018, not sure. I recollect we created rules about how to do voting, and we even had a defector or two as a result of the QS vote.

I was an advocate of the switch at the time. It seemed to me that if Wins and QS were about the same in number per year, then why punish a guy who lost 1-0 to Cy Young, and not give him credit for a good game. Why reward some lucky reliever who just happened to be the pitcher of record when a team mate hits the dinger.

Not many starting pitchers were pitching under six innings at the time, unless they were having a bad day. Did anybody see the pitch count change coming?

Well it came fast and inside. Just as we were digging in at the QS plate, here comes the brush back pitch. A bullpen full of pitch counters to ruin it.

Worthy of a vote to return to Wins?
98Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 09:49
Yeah, neither W or QS are perfect. I like the capriciousness of the impact on offense on Ws, but maybe I'm just a fuddy-duddy.

I can also plan for it more in drafting. If a pitcher is on a team with poor offense, you downgrade them. I suppose you could do the same with the likelihood that younger pitchers are gonna get pulled, and some managers are more likely to have low pitch-counts, but I don't.
99Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 10:14
Bean: Looks like you're up in the Prospect Draft.
100Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 10:22

I think it's far more fair rewarding the pitcher who has a good game over the pitcher who happens to get a lot of run support on a good team.
101Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 11:10
<99> I am in Albuquerque now. Mountain time. Woke up, got coffee. Posted prospect. I'm running as fast as I can.
102Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 11:12
No worries! NM is a beautiful state. Enjoy it.
103Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 11:20
Imagine my surprise when I packed my passport, then found out I didn't need it here.
104Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 11:38
Hah.

New version of Mexico is very different. Enjoy the March snow.

105Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 11:40
Dang it tax. I got all excited he would fall to me.
106 taxman
      ID: 382431322
      Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 14:17
I know Bili. Surprising he lasted as long as he did. Would be better if Mead had enough defensive chops to have a position other than DH, but they should write Aussie songs about his hitting tools.
107Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 18:47
A little confused. Joe declared Bobby Miller a prospect keeper, then Bobby Miller is not listed in the keepers in the prospect draft, then Bobby Miller is drafted by Joe.

I assume there was some private conversation between PD and Joe that we all missed. Will Joe have 8 keepers when he is done?
108 Joe
      ID: 38271320
      Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 19:20
Well, crap, that's absolutely my bad. Miller isn't listed on the draft keepers list but I did submit him as a keeper. Really sorry, guys, but I can post an alternative 3.07 pick right now if everyone is good with it
109Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 19:51
WTH, it looks like I skipped all four of your prospect keepers!

Will update the thread in a sec.
110 Joe
      ID: 38271320
      Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 19:55
Too bad one was Cavalli!!! 🤦‍♂️
112Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 15:24
Its his last pick in the prospect draft. Just poked him by email. If he's not ready, I've asked him to at least let us know to just skip him and he can pick later.
114Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 16:25
My pick is in. Apologies for the delay here, and other days as perceived. I actually believed I was pretty on top of it...just really bad timing with work related travel in the car this week.
115Perm Dude
      ID: 492571719
      Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 20:58
Posting here rather than more on the draft thread. Artofmonk declared Alek Thomas as a keeper but he was over the limits. so he is now ok.

C1 is done, the original list was changed but its a PITA to edit here. apologies for the confusion. He should drop one prospect if he's got too many now.
116artofmonk
      ID: 224169
      Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 23:14
my apologies about the duplicate pick and slowing down the draft.
117C1-NRB
      ID: 576541616
      Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 00:24
Yeah, I'm done with 8.
I thought I should post it here, but I forgot.
118Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 13:26
Going back to leaving your ss empty, we could make it same day transactions. So if Trea hurt or gets a day of rest, you could bring someone up from the minors (FA wire) and insert them into the lineup.

In case we wanted to go all-in on Beans idyllic fantasy is reality fever dream.

119Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Mar 18, 2023, 21:15
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
120Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 15:59
Working out the regular draft trades:

Sycamores trade 2.14 to Joe (no pick in trade coming back)

Bobo gets 3.01. Sycamores gets 8.13

Art of Monk gets 1.01 from Sycamores (no trade back)

Nerveclinic gets 3.03 and PermDude gets 6.02


HOWEVER: IT LOOKS LIKE THE SYCAMORES HAS TRADED HIS THIRD ROUND PICK TWICE.

(2021 thread, #149), as part of the Dylan Cease / Willson Contreras trade, Beer City Bobo was to get Sycamore's 3rd round in 2023.

Also #43 above: "Nerveclinic trades Zac Gallen and his 4th round pick, for Phils (The Sycamore) 3rd round pick"
121Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 16:04
Just emailed both managers. The first pick in the regular draft for Phil is in the fourth round, as it stands.
122WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 17:33
Looks like my P-pick was skipped. It's fine that two guys were taken but can I please make a pick before the next one?
123WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 17:35
Actually, looks like I'm the only one left?
124 Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 21:07
Nerve + Sycamores: Let me know ASAP what you decide. Since the earliest Sycamores pick is in round 4 there's no need to hold things up now but let's clear that up when you get a moment.

I'll start the draft on draftime in a minute. *Doublecheck your keepers* and let me know of any errors (not including positional errors, which you can change yourselves).

I've removed the prospect draftees from the pool of players in draftime. They will show up with a line through them as though they are already picked. There are a handful of players picked in the prospect draft which were not already in the database so before you ask a player to be added please doublecheck the prospect draft page on which all the players ineligible to be picked are listed.

We'll start with no clock. Then a daytime clock. Then shorten the daytime clock as needed. Let's knock this out.

Questions? Email me.
125Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 22:41
I stopped the draft because it is set for snaking. Didn't we already discuss that it should be straight (non-snaking) draft? It has been for years. See 55-70
126Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 22:54
Yes, and that's a setting I don't think I can change. Will email KKB in a sec.
127Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 23:14
Damn artofmonk, you have a hell of a team. And the number 1 prospect.

128artofmonk
      ID: 224169
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 00:01
my team looks good, but I am sue I will find a way to screw it up.
129Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 09:35
KKB was able to reset the league. Give me a few to enter back in the other settings and trades and we can get started this morning.
130Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 09:40
Working out the regular draft trades:

Sycamores trade 2.01 to Joe (no pick in trade coming back)

Bobo gets 3.01. Sycamores gets 8.02

Art of Monk gets 1.01 from Sycamores (no trade back)

Nerveclinic gets 3.03 and PermDude gets 6.13

Nerveclinic and Sycamores swap 4th round pics. Nerveclinic gets 4.01 and Sycamores gets 4.13
131Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 10:17
Had to re-enter keepers. Please double check your keepers to make sure everything is good.

No clock for now. Artofmonk is up.
132Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 12:40

Not correct

I get Phils 4th round pick. I keep my own 4th round pick. Phil get my 7th round pick.
133Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 12:59
got it. Updating now.
134Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 20:45
Is it just me, or does the draftime server appear to be starved of resources?
135Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 21:52

"Is it just me, or does the draftime server appear to be starved of resources?"

It's not you, it's been glitching for me too.

136daleteekz
      ID: 3323166
      Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 22:53
My notification emails also come through about 4-8 hours after they should.
138Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 09:11
We're doing OK keeping up, but I'm likely to start a clock later today or tomorrow. As it is we'll finish before the games start but just. I'd prefer people have their final rosters in Yahoo at least 24 hours before the game start to make injury changes, correct errors, etc.

A big thumbs up to Bean for putting in the players so far.
139Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 09:12
If you guys can email the next few managers via the Yahoo league page after drafting, that might help. Draftime's notifications are iffy, it seems.
140Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:31
I started a draft clock, which shouldn't bother anyone that it shouldn't bother.

Let's see if we can knock off a couple of rounds today.
141Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 09:16
The more I think about it, the more convinced that we should cut the maximum IPs. Right now, just about the only way to max is through heroic streaming efforts or spending far too many slots on (usually very mediocre) starting pitchers.

That means that the only people who come close are those who actively stream for a good portion of the season. Usually only 2 or 3 managers who are actively in the hunt.

I propose we cut the to a more reasonable 1200 IP for 2024.
142Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:14
How bout we increase roster size instead? If you have another starter on your roster, that you do not stream, you get 150 IP.
143Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:19
That just helps the rich get richer, from what I've observed in practice. Talent inequality is a thing.
144Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:21
We aren't even halfway through the draft, and Most of my queue is made up of injured starters, because that's what it takes to roll the dice for a better than waiver-fodder arm.

Adding more slots doesn't magically make more starters exist irl.
145Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:40
The guy who is keeping 6(!) starting pitchers year, presumably meaning he had at least 6 high quality arms last year, didn't come close to even hitting 1200 innings last year.

Nuf said.
146Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:48
This is against my best interests, btw. Pretty much all my 4 championships had active streaming as a big component of victory.
147Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:53
I had 24 different pitchers with at least 1 QS in 2021.
148Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:57
All the top 3 had over 20. One over 30 pitchers with a QS.

That does not mesh with IRL.
149Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 10:58
No clue how or why i drafted Kike...musta messed up my queue. oh well
150Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 11:11
Increasing roster size is only a little better than constant streaming, but with slightly worse players in the mix. And it'll have the same effect of worsening other non-counting stats.

Bili: Is that an official rule change proposal?
151Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 11:57
I loaded all I could to draft results, started the season, then dropped all your players with "K" from your Yahoo rosters. I will let PD determine how he wants to populate the remaining draftees to Yahoo rosters.

Meanwhile, if you find a mistake in your Yahoo roster, let me and PD know.
152Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:12
Thanks, Bean!

Sure, PD. Should I start a rule change thread and email to yahoo addys?

153Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:16
#149: Happens to me, too. I use the queue as a watchlist sometimes, then forget that I have it on autopick!
154Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:17
#152: Sounds perfect. Too late to make it happen this season, but at least we can get the discussion started.
155Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 23:39
At this point, we're still cutting it close on the draft so please check in often.

Also, go ahead and add your players on your Yahoo team as you draft them on Draftime.
156WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 11:28
Sorry for delay.
157Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 11:31
Looks like the players on Yahoo are all on waivers for now, and that can't be changed by the commish. They will all turn into FAs tomorrow, though, so we can add to rosters starting then.

Let's knock out this draft in the meantime.
158Biliruben
      ID: 211131314
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 11:36
"Also, go ahead and add your players on your Yahoo team as you draft them on Draftime."

Doesn't that require us all to be a co-commissioner?
159Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 12:32
The season has been started, so just pick them up as you do during the season. PD can reset waiver priority later don't worry about that.
160mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 13:29
I still have one of my prospect keepers (Campusano) on my roster plus I have a player (Castellanos) who was drafted by Nerveclinic...
161Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 13:30
You can make a waiver claim for a player at this point, or just wait until they are all FA's tomorrow.
162Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Mar 26, 2023, 13:41
<160> fixed
163Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 11:57

So I guess I just essentially lost my fourth round pick...?
164Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:15
Yeah, screw you, you lost your fourth round pick.

Oh wait, damn it, Castellanos is on your roster in Yahoo, how'd that happen?

Did you look at Yahoo before whining?
165Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:17
If you go over to the keeper thread, you did not list Castellanos

If you go into the draft picks menu on the draft app Mailedfoot was given 7 keepers, these same keepers are listed on the forum keeper thread by mailed foot.

1) Jose Ramirez,
2) Jacob Degrom,
3) Cristian Javier,
4) Ryan Pressly,
5) Bryan Reynolds,
6) Seiya Suzuki
7) Jeremy Pena

What am I missing?
166Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:20
Nerve, are you missing a player on YOUR roster in Yahoo?
167Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:23
foot: perhaps you kept Castellanos in a different league?

Castellanos wasn't on your team at the end of last year, and so could not have been a keeper for you. At least, in this league.
168Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:25
Mr. Bean

I looked at Mailedfoots post above saying it was his keeper.

Then I looked at the keeper thread and made the post above.

Telling me not to whine is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
169Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:28

Bean

I think your comment at 164 missed the mark.

What does Yahoo have to do with the discussion? Even if you gave it to me in Yahoo it would still be a mistake if it really was his keeper.

170Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:36
Mailedfoot said that castellanos was on his roster and should not have been.

Mailedfoot said that you drafted him.

I took castellanos off mailedfoot's roster in Yahoo and put him on your roster in Yahoo.

You whined.

I said quit whining.

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?
171Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:40
;)
172Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:41

OK well there are several ways you can read it apparently.

I choose to read it the wrong way.

;)
173Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 12:41

Let me tell you that's a relief though..
174Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 15:35
Fight! Fight! Fight!

Damn. Missed it.
175Nerveclinic
      ID: 331351412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 18:49
It's all there Bili, you can watch the reruns...
176Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 20:11
Rollin' rollin' rollin'...

Pick up yer players on yahoo as you draft. Let's knock this thing out.
177Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 10:09
Great job on the draft.

I've filled out the rosters of those who didn't get a chance to pick up their own players, and started the waiver wire. I'll set up the waiver order in a sec -- if I recall correctly, the waiver order is still the same as the draft order (i.e., reverse order of finish).
178 Joe
      ID: 44232289
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 10:33
Looks like I might have a roster issue. I drafted Rafael Montero and I can't fit him onto my roster as it says I'd have to drop someone. Any thoughts from the Commish?
179Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 10:45
sure--will check.
180Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 10:54
Thanks for the hard work, PD.
181Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 11:00
Joe - you had 2 2nd-round picks, but never traded your partner a pick. I'd drop skubal for montero
182Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 11:01
In fact, I think you have to. Your roster was full before you took skubal.
183Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 11:07
Thanks, bili. Skubal was an extra pick for you. So you should swap out Skubal and add Montero.
184 Joe
      ID: 44232289
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 12:12
Thanks for the quick response - will do!
185WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 13:44
Thanks all for a good draft and thanks to PD, Bean, and others for running and administering things.

Minor point, but can we get Moves changed to 0 before the season starts?
186Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 17:28
hmmm. Not sure how to do that but will poke around.
187Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 19:04
Found it, and reset for everyone.
188Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Tue, Mar 28, 2023, 21:14
Why do we care about the number of moves?
189WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 15:56
Minor point as I said but for sake of cleanliness I think it makes more sense to start at 0 when adding guys we drafted doesn't really reflect a move in the traditional sense, and no reason to not reset?

Also, if we ever move towards implementing a max moves cap like we just did in 8 Men Out, better the numbers be accurate.

Also, what's up with Brady Singer? Art drafted but Mud just added?
190Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 21:22
Art had an extra draft pick, and Singer was never put on.

I'll send a note out to Mud, and drop Art's last pick (Mondesi).

*This* is why we need even draft swaps.

191Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 21:25
looks like art drafted 7.06 singer. art drafted one too many players because he had 1.01 and should have given a pick for it. maybe 15.06, where he picked mondesi? all the clues i see.

really for pd and art to sort out.
192Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 21:32
PD, looks like we both responded to this same time.

I used to balance pick trades by giving up the last pick of the guy who gained a pick.

So, if player A receives a pick from player B, then player B gets player A's 15th round. If later player A receives another pick, this time from player C, then player C gets player A's 14th pick. etc.

193Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 21:32
Second time this happened with trades involving The Sycamores. I've proposed a rule change to outlaw those uneven trades in the future.
194WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 00:58
Mud has now added Jordan Montgomery who Bobo drafted but didn't pick up. Might I suggest people pick up the players they drafted? I'd also suggest people double check the Draftime page before adding obvious players like Singer and Montgomery who show as available, but I suppose at some point the drafter forfeits ownership?
195Mudville 9
      ID: 24233145
      Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 08:47
Montgomery dropped. Sorry, I thought the All Clear was given and assumed all of the Free Agents were good. I guess I sort of know what I am doing if I am picking up "obvious" guys!
196WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 12:23
Lol sorry for the choice words. Think Montgomery should be made a FA so Bobo can pick up. Also should probably decide at what point those drafted players are fair game for adds... FA/WW can't serve as a stash for whenever people decide to pick up their guys.
197Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 13:46
A reminder that protected prospects have the K next to their name in the Yahoo player list. Double check that the person getting picked up is your prospect if they have a K.
198Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 22:05
Rotowire does an interesting projected standings based upon their projected stats, league settings, and draft results. Our league settings are here fwiw:


Projected standings 2023 season
199Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 13:49
Bobo: Alex Lange is Nerve's keeper and so I dropped him from your roster. Be careful when grabbing folks that they aren't keepers. Later, I'll put the list of keepers into a Commish note on Yahoo.
200WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 14:07
PD, can we get a ruling by when drafted players are forfeited if not picked up?
201Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 14:21
I hadn't realized any were still not picked up. Let's say by Monday if any are still around. But I'll send a league-wide email in a sec.

(to be clear, Lange referenced in #199 is a prospect)
202WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 14:27
Jordan Montgomery, at least.
203Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Apr 01, 2023, 20:10
<199> PD, I may have a spreadsheet for the prospects nearly ready. Give me a day and I will post it to google sheets. I'll post the link here.
205Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 00:03
Prospect List

Let me know if you see an error
206Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 10:06
Corrected trade deadline at Yahoo to reflect our rule above:

Trade Deadline - Closest Sunday to August 31st

August 24th was the latest available
207WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 01:09
I believe Edward Cabrera is Joe's prospect. I dropped him from Bobo's roster.
208WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Apr 17, 2023, 09:33
Dropped Cabrera from Bobo's roster again.
209Perm Dude
      ID: 28128412
      Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 11:37
hmmmm. A pattern is emerging...
210Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 15:15
If by that you mean that Bobo needs to get his $hit together, I agree.
211 Joe
      ID: 133222110
      Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 11:23
Either that or I need to start charging a Cabrera rental fee.... 🤣
212WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, May 05, 2023, 00:08
Dropped Cabrera from Bobo’s roster yet again.
213Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, May 05, 2023, 11:47
The solution is simple. When people do this we just put a stop on their ability to pick up FAs for a week. Second time they do it, its two weeks, etc.

They don't like it, they quit and the problem goes away.

All in favor? ;)
214Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, May 05, 2023, 11:50
That there has never been an apology for this tells me that Bobo doesn't even look at these forums, he probably wont even notice he has a block on FA pickup.
215daleteekz
      ID: 204562218
      Mon, May 22, 2023, 20:20
@joe whats your rental fee? I might pick him up next for fun.
216WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, May 25, 2023, 17:12
TRADE

Dale gets Gunnar Henderson and Michael Harris
WG gets Esteury Ruiz
217 Joe
      ID: 5655618
      Thu, Jun 01, 2023, 09:58
Hey, Dale - he's $19.99 per minute to rent, though I'll give a volume discount if he's rented on a regular basis. 🤣
218Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 09:37
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Bobo sends Amed Rosario, SS, CLE; Aroldis Chapman, RP, KC; and 2024 1st round pick

Bean sends Jorge Mateo, SS, BAL; Felix Bautista, RP, BAL; and 2024 15th round pick
219Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 10:08
Trade confirmed.
220Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 16:18
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Taxman sends Lourdes Gurriel, OF, ARZ and 2024 1st round pick

Bean sends George Springer, OF, TOR; Jordan Romano, RP, TOR; and 2024 14th round pick
221 taxman
      ID: 29549417
      Thu, Jun 15, 2023, 09:46
confirmed
222Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 12:20
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Bean send Cedric Mullins, his 2024 12th pick and his 2024 13th pick.
Phil sends Jordan Hicks, his 2024 2nd pick and his 2024 3rd pick.
223 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 12:22
Confirm to the trade.
224 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 12:30
Trade Announcement.

The Sycamore trades Miles Mikalos and his 1st rd pick in 24 to Black Death for Zach Wheeler and his 14th rd pick in 2024.
225 Joe
      ID: 415342211
      Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 12:34
Confirmed.
226 Joe
      ID: 415342211
      Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 09:13
Morning all.

I am looking at a (continuing) significant rebuild, so all of my players except for Freeman, Ohtani, Strider, Buehler and Bobby Miller are available for 2024 picks or other useful more long-term assets. If interested, please inquire within.

Joe
227 Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 16:00
Looking for picks.

Keeper quality still on the Block:
Merrill Kelly (RNK 56)
Justin Turner (RNK 63)
Jonah Heim (RNK 87)

Or maybe you're just looking to upgrade for your pennant run:

JD Davis (RNK 117)
Julio Teheran (RNK 114)

Under rated players due to injury:
Joc Pederson
Carlos Rodon
Wade Miley

Trade deadline is 24 AUG, but why defer?
228Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 16:51
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Bean sends Carlos Rodon and his 2024 11th pick.
Dale sends Alek Manoah and his 2024 2nd pick.
229daleteekz
      ID: 58562719
      Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 20:07
Deal confirmed
230 Joe
      ID: 5663677
      Fri, Jul 07, 2023, 08:37
In case anyone might still need help for 2023, and as mentioned recently, all of my players except for Freeman, Ohtani, Strider, Buehler and Bobby Miller are available for 2024 picks or other useful more long-term assets. If interested, please inquire within.

Joe
231WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 10:22
I believe Shea Langeliers, who Bobo picked up, is Mudville's prospect?
232Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 10:56
See <213>

;)
234WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 21:00
Joe gets Tyler Stephenson and prospect Tink Hence
WG gets Craig Kimbrel

Do the prospects exchanged need to be balanced too?
235 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 21:02
Prospects Masyn Winn, Endy Rodriguez, Taj Bradley (sent down and only 74.2 IP so should retain eligibility), Nick Yorke, Roki Sasaki otb for help now, positions/stats of need.

Young guys Josh Lowe and Bryce Miller also moveable.

Can also move one of Jose Altuve or Ketel Marte.
236 Joe
      ID: 5651315
      Wed, Aug 02, 2023, 22:01
Confirming the trade with WG...
237WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 00:58
Also, I dropped Langeliers from Bobo's roster but our settings are Roster Changes - Tomorrow, and I neglected to bench him manually today, so he still had him starting today. Of course Langeliers hit a HR. Let's see if that 1R, 1HR, 1RBI, and 2/4 OBP affects the final standings?
238WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 09:33
TRADE

Foot gets Josh Lowe and prospect Taj Bradley
WG gets Ryan Pressly
239mailedfoot
      ID: 5082825
      Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 11:32
Confirming trade (ref 238)
240 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 03, 2023, 12:22
Shane McClanahan (26yr) otb for two good older SP or older SP + another helpful piece.
241Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 15:26
Re: 237

Langeliers is not a protected prospect, correct?

Why was he dropped?

I manage my team primarily on the Yahoo app, so I came here to see if I missed something.

Please advise.
242Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 17:03
Bobo, I am pretty sure if you use the app, you don't see the "K". You have been doing this all season. I recommend you have a complete list of protected prospects handy if you need to use the app.

More importantly, if you can't believe your luck that a young guy you covet is available, chances are that he isn't. Check first.
243Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Fri, Aug 04, 2023, 17:05
Here is the Prospect Liist
244Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 10:51
Thanks. I was under the impression he surpassed the thresholds on AB.
245Bobo
      ID: 47131211
      Mon, Aug 07, 2023, 10:51
Thanks. I was under the impression he surpassed the thresholds on AB.
246Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 16:45
Rule was changed a few years back. We only check for prospect eligibility at same time as keeper declaration each year.

Real simple, if a guy is on the list, don't touch him unless he belongs to you.
247 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 04:20
Trade Announcement:

The Scyamores trades Zach Wheeler to Wazaap Guy for Andrew Abbott and prospect Masyn Winn.
248WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 09, 2023, 18:52
Confirmed
249Nerveclinic
      ID: 9751114
      Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 05:56
Wow nice trade Amit. Top 15 pitcher, is not usually that easy to acquire in this league.
250 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 13:40
Perez - catcher. Available.

Email if interested.
251WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 14:15
Looks like Gavin Williams, added by Art, is Taxman's prospect.
252Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 10:51
Dropped Gavin Williams, but it wont take effect until tomorrow. Took him out of Morgan's lineup, but he could still put him in before game time.

Hopefully he is reading here. I sent him an e-mail through Yahoo as well.
253Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 13:52
No BS trading block:

I have the following guys to offer. Looking for 2024 pick upgrade, including prospect picks. The following is player name, Current 2023 Yahoo Ranking, your MLB pick round. I will be sending my player and my 2024 10th round pick for your discard player and the MLB pick round I have listed.

Justin Turner, #55, #3
Jeimer Candelario, #72, #3
Jhoan Duran, #119, #3
Aaron Civale, #125, #4
Christopher Morel, #158, #4
Jonah Heim, #159, #4
JP France, #143, #6
Aroldis Chapman, #169, #6
Christopher Sanchez, #185, #6
Jordan Hicks, #388, #6

Lots of very useful talent here. If you want two or more, or want to offer prospect picks or players, we can work out a deal. Time is running out.
254WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 15:57
Looks like Art moved Williams back into his starting lineup. Game starts at 4:10. I will move out.
255WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 16:00
This offseason I think we need to implement penalties on these things a bit more. I've noticed the past few prospect adds but feel if I hadn't, they'd go unnoticed.
256Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 16:08
See <213>
257WG
      ID: 89402220
      Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 15:39
TRADE

WG gets Max Scherzer and Cal Raleigh
Joe gets Shane McClanahan, Bryce Miller, and Gary Sanchez
258 Joe
      ID: 537231516
      Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 17:23
Confirming the trade with WG....
259WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 01:22
TRADE

WG gets Justin Verlander, Max Muncy, Josh Bell
PD gets prospect Triston Casas, Jake Cronenworth, Jon Gray
260WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 12:07
I'd also push for changing trade review from 2 days to 1, since with our daily - tomorrow lineup changes, trades take 4-5 days to complete... agree on trade Mon, Tue and Wed the 2 day review, get the player Thurs, can't use til Fri.
261 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 23:09
TRADE

WG gets Kyle Finnegan
Mudville gets Cole Ragans and prospect Endy Rodriguez


Down to 3 prospects, planning to keep Crews and Sasaki. Who wants Red Sox no.6 prospect according to mlb.com Nick Yorke?
262 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 06:05
Hello.

I am interested in acquiring prospect Pete Crow Armstrong.

Let me know if available.
263 Mudville 9
      ID: 187451710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 11:45
Confrim Trade w WG
264 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 13:30
The Sycamores trades Zach Gallen to C1’s Goose Eggs for Nestor Cortes and prospect Pete Crow Armstrong.
265 Joe
      ID: 537231516
      Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 15:25
Afternoon all. With the following exceptions on the MLB level, all of my MLB players are available for a last-minute trade. I'm looking for prospects and/or picks in return.

NOT available:
Freeman, Ohtani (SP), Nola, Strider, Bobby Miller, Bryce Miller, Rodon, McClanahan, Woo and Buehler.

266WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 23:28
TRADE

WG gets Lance Lynn
C1 gets Brady Singer and prospect Nick Yorke
267C1-NRB
      ID: 54727229
      Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 10:27
Confirmed.
268C1-NRB
      ID: 54727229
      Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 10:35
264: Confirmed, too.
269 Phil Turner
      ID: 3212349
      Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 09:12
Kershaw is available. Any last minute deals.
271WG
      ID: 89402220
      Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 16:02
I think I have as many points today as I did before the first trade, if not fewer...
272Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 16:33
Pick Trade Summary
<218> Bobo sends 2024 1st - Bean sends 2024 15th
<220> Taxman sends 2024 1st - Bean sends 2024 14th
<222> Phil sends 2024 2nd and 3rd - Bean sends 2024 12th and 13th
<224> Phil sends 2024 1st - Joe sends 2024 14th
<228> Dale sends 2024 2nd - Bean sends 2024 11th


Prospect Trade Summary
<218> Bean sends Felix Bautista to Bobo
<234> WG sends Tink Hence to Joe
<238> WG send Taj Bradley to Foot
<247> WG sends Masyn Winn to Phil
<259> WG sends Triston Casas to PD
<261> WG sends Endy Rodriguez to Mudville
<264> C1 sends Pete Crow Armstrong to Phil
<266> WG sends Nick Yorke to C1

Let me know if I missed or misrepresented any.
273mailedfoot
      ID: 5382838
      Sun, Sep 03, 2023, 09:28
Taj Bradley (one of my prospects) has been picked up by Art…
274Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Sun, Sep 03, 2023, 10:14
I dropped Bradley from Morgan's roster, but it wont take effect until tomorrow.

I moved Bradley to the bench for today, but nothing will stop Morgan from putting him back in his lineup other than the e-mail I sent him.

I could prevent him from making lineup changes, but that's PD's call.
275Perm Dude
      ID: 128391011
      Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 12:39
Sorry, just seeing this. I saw he was picked up and dropped, so didn't think to also look here!
276Bean
      ID: 12552510
      Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 10:19
Grats Monty

See y'all next season
277Perm Dude
      ID: 8755259
      Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 12:07
A dominating performance by Nerveclinic--well done.

Somehow Taxman slipped into second place at the end squeezing out a point from the RBI spot. And despite a blizzard of moves by WG the last few days he was overtaken by artofmonk on the very last day. (which means next year he's got a slightly better draft position, so look out).

Well played everyone.
278Biliruben
      ID: 592462710
      Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 20:37
Congratulations, Nerve! Next time make it more exciting.
279C1-NRB
      ID: 54727229
      Mon, Oct 02, 2023, 20:48
Congratulations, Nerve!
280nerveclinic
      ID: 3293039
      Tue, Oct 03, 2023, 10:30

Thanks guys.

As always it helps when your players don't get injured and it's pretty incredible how healthy my team stayed all year.

I saw WG making the trade moves and I thought, "I need to make a trade"! But when I looked everything over, I literally couldn't come up with any scenario where a trade made sense, so I stayed pat.
281 Joe
      ID: 59938718
      Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 19:39
Congratulations, Monty!
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