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0 Subject: Be gentle. I'm new to this.

Posted by: Cosmo's Cod Piece
- [0216105] Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 06:22

I've been watching more and more NASCAR lately. I just need something to fill the void in between football and baseball. Each week I've been getting more and more into it. I'm starting to realize that there's more to it than a bunch of left turns. I do have some serious questions for you guys just so I understand the sport better.

1) Why do they force all of the cars to have the same specs? It would seem like the football equivalent of making everyone run the same offense and defense.

2) How do the race drivers pee? They've got to. I can't drive two hours to Wisconsin without making a pit stop at my fav gas station bathroom. Obviously there's no time in pit row, so I'm guessing space age technology?

3) What is the deal with the team concept? I noticed a couple weeks ago that the announcers mentioned that Dale Jr. and some others were just running together to hold their place. Why wouldn't they try and win?

Thanks.
1KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 08:54
1. Don't think of it as football teams all running the same offense and defense. Think of it like all football teams having to wear the same uniforms (shirt, pants, shoes, pads, helmets, etc.) and having to have a field of the same dimensions.

However, just like a team might prefer one helmet over another, or have different logos, or different types of grass for the field, NASCAR cars have MANY different setups. Setups involve a huge number of things including, but certainly not limited to, tire pressure, gear ratio, spoiler angle, springs, spring wedge, grill tape, front-rear weight balance, front-rear brake, and on and on and on, and I didn't even get into the engine yet.

A lot of people who don't follow NASCAR think that all the cars are the same, but it's far from the truth. NASCAR simply has a set of templates that the car must fit into. But those templates are not a strict measurement. They're all a range, meaning one Chevy can be completely different from another Chevy and even more different than a Dodge. Now to you and me, they all look the same. But if we were to drive them at 150+ MPH, I'm sure we could tell a difference. Everything in NASCAR is about ranges. It's what you do within those ranges that makes all the difference. If you want to get a good sense of this (about as good as any normal, non-driver can get), buy a NASCAR game like the one from the folks at Papyrus Racing and make sure you get a steering wheel game controller and set the game to simulation mode (not arcade mode) and have fun. Adjusting car settings even the most minute amount will have dramatic affects on your car.

2. They don't. I can go upwards of 6+ hours without peeing if I have to (the key there is "if I have to"). My parents used to take me and my brothers on vacation cross-country and there wasn't much time to stop for peeing, so there wasn't much peeing. When you're driving 150+ MPH, I think peeing is the last thing on your mind anyhow. Just go before you get in the car and you can make it.

3. They do try to win. But again, running 150+ MPH, you don't want to do anything to jeopardize your teammates. In other words, both cars finish 1st and 2nd, it's better than the 2nd place car racing for the lead at the end and causing a crash that could send one, or both, cars further back. A good example of this is what happened to Jimmie Johnson last week. Granted, Sterling Marlin isn't his teammate, but something like that could easily happen to teammates just by accident.

Plus, at some tracks, like Daytona and Talladega in particular, if you try to pass without "passing buddies" (to keep the draft going), you're going to get hung out to dry and go from racing for first to finishing in 30th, less than a second behind the leader. Take a look at the Pepsi 400 results from last year. Note that Dale, Jr. finished 6th. He was in 2nd on the last lap and tried to go for the win. Nobody went with him and he got hung out. This cost him money, finishing spots, but most importantly, it cost him points. Had he finished in 2nd, Jr. would have gotten 20 extra points. 20 points here and 20 points there add up at the end of the season. Jr. missed the top 10 in the overall standings by just 53 points. That's the difference between getting on stage at the Champions dinner (what all drivers shoot for after shooting for the championship) and not.

However, mostly the team concept is about sharing information. You know that your teammates are running very similar setups/car bodies to yours, so if they tweak a setting and it helps their car, it's likely to help your car. Much like having coordinators in football, the more people with input, the more information that's available, the better the decisions likely are.

2KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 09:02
BTW, one other thing about teams. You're not often going to find teammates running together just because of qualifying position, pit stops, car handling, etc., but there is a comfort factor in knowing who you're driving with. If you're driving 150+ MPH, it's going to feel better to you if you're following, or leading, a teammate, compared to some drivers -- (cough) Todd (cough) Bodine (cough) -- who always seems Hell-bent on doing whatever possible to make up whatever positions they can. Someone like that is an accident waiting to happen. It's also the reason a lot of top drivers like to run with each other. Dale, Jr. fans and Jeff Gordon fans may hate each other, but if you talk to the drivers themselves, they would rather be riding with each other than those accident-waiting-to-happen guys.

And, there's the pits issue. On a track like Daytona or Talladega, drafting is key. If you don't draft, you're in last place. So, coming out of the pits, you need someone to draft with. Who better to do that with than your own teammate. You're actually helping each other out, which is what a team is all about.

3Cosmo's Cod Piece
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      Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 20:13
Thanks KKB.

NASCAR is honestly making more sense now. I saw Days of Thunder so I know all about drafting. Regarding video games, I've played the NASCAR game for the PS2 by EA Sports. This was a couple of months ago and it was a blast!

I'm not much of a car guy to begin with other than knowledge of a good stereo. Gear ratios, engines and whatever else might as well be in sandscript.

Again, thanks for explaining KKB.
4Challenger
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      Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 21:35
I think I can sum up that peeing issue in one word.......dehydration.

The inside of those race cars are much hotter than the outside temperature. Add in the fact they're inside those hot racing suits, full face helmets....and you'll get the picture.

Once played golf in 112 degrees temp here in OKC. (Didn't know it was that hot until I got home.) Anyway, I drank the entire gallon of water I brought and had several other cups of water along the way. I didn't pee until a full 36 hours after I finished up my round. At the time I thought I was sufficiently hydrating myself all along.

I would bet alot of the time a race driver would welcome 112 degrees temps inside his racecar. Probably think his team installed a/c. :)

Just my $.01 :)

(cough)Robby (cough)(cough) Gordon (cough)
5Wahoo
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      Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 18:07
As far as the peeing issue, I've seen that question asked in an interview, I believe it was of DW. His reply was "What do you think we do?" Someone else also said sometimes you get out of that car so smelly no one is within 25 ft. of you.
6Cosmo's Cod Piece
      ID: 0201317
      Thu, Mar 13, 2003, 18:05
I had just assumed that they used a similar device to that of the astronauts. Just pee-pee in the suit. Nothing embarassing about that.
Here's a story for you. I had a similar experience to that on my way home from college one afternoon. I commuted from DeKalb (Northern Illinois University) to Villa Park (50 miles one way, VP is a suburb of Chicago.)and I got caught in some nasty construction which had an accident on top of that. We sat in gridlock for literally an hour. Good thing I had my trusty McDonald's cup with me. I figured the guy behind me would think I dumped lemonade out the side.
7Great One
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      Fri, Mar 14, 2003, 14:14
I used to race sprints and karts and believe me, the last thing you are worried about is getting to the bathroom... you just forget you need to I guess. And you definitely lose a ton of water too... we always had to make sure we were 10-15 pounds over minimum weight, taking into account that I was going to weigh 180 when i got in, and 175 when I rolled off and onto the scale..

the other fun part is being covered head to toe in bruises... that was fun. My teachers at school thought that that I was abused because I would miss school to drive to far away National races and when I came back I was covered in bruises and looked starved. Oh, the memories:)
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