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Subject: KILLED!
Posted by: PuNk42AE
- [150243017] Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:13
I'm getting killed by Malware/Spyware ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. All of my programs keep getting Fatal Errors when I try to use them. If I try to use Adaware it locks up and then gets an error and closes. How can I restart XP in safemode? I have been looking all over since last night to try and find a way but then gave up. |
| 1 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:14
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Hit F8 on bootup, before you get to the Windows XP screen.
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| 2 | PuNk42AE
ID: 150243017
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:18
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Ok thanks, hopefully this will help me fix things. But it isn't looking pretty.
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| 3 | wiggs
ID: 291539
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:27
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yeah punk i saw your away the other night said something about pictures click here, so I did and then when I got home I had a nice message on my computer. I wanted to thank you for that, but I forgot.
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| 4 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:30
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he got me to with that one!
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| 5 | PuNk42AE
ID: 5715239
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 10:57
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Well that wasn't anything but AIM Code so it isn't any kind of hack or anything. And J used it on other people too! SO did Rendle and SmallWhirled so it wasn't just me. :'P
Well I got alot of crap off the computer but there is still a ton left that won't come off. Startup Monitor keeps telling me that things like...
kalvsys, among 5 other things have registered as executable and then I go looking for that file and can't find it.
I think i'm screwed.
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| 6 | MadDOG
ID: 56012617
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:11
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Who got killed?
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| 7 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:23
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Time for a format. Once that stuff gets in the registry and that, its far easier to just wipe Windows and re-install it.
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| 8 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:27
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With XP, you could try to reset your system to a prior restore point. If you can reset the system back to its state when it was still working OK, that might prevent the need for a complete reload.
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| 9 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:31
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Be very careful with that reset, however. I had to do that here last month because of a messup with Norton, and my system is messed up even worse (no Windows search page, Windows Media no longer words, Windows Update doesn't work, etc).
pd
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| 10 | MadDOG
ID: 56012617
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:32
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What's the story with these Spyware detecting programs crashing everybody's systems?
Didn't Guru have this same problem?
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| 11 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:36
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The better spyware programs are programmed to disable and mess around with the detecting programs. Just like a virus can try to disable norton...
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:49
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I did reset my XP system to a prior restore point once or twice, and it worked like a charm. But I guess nothing is foolproof.
Yes, it was some form of spyware or adware that nuked my OS last month. Actually, the evidence suggests that Spybot S&D actually did the fatal damage, but that's splitting hairs. Unfortuntely, that was a W98 system, so I didn't not have restore points as an option.
Spyware/adware/malware is always getting better at interfering with its abilty to be detected and deleted. The nature of the beast.
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| 13 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 13:05
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My mother's computer (running Windows 95 of all things) was crippled beyond what I thought was repairable, and I was just about to format the thing and start over when a friend suggested I try Spy Sweeper. It worked where Spybot S&D and Adaware failed. It's not freeware, but it does have a 30 day full-function trial period.
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| 14 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 13:26
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if you still have problems give MS Antispyware a try. there is even an option to activate real-time-protection.
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| 15 | PuNk42AE
ID: 269192411
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 20:50
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I haven't been home to try anything else since this morning but when I left I was running everything I could in safe mode and it was still just as screwed up. I was trying to get Adaware to run upon start up but the crap on it wouldn't let that happen either. It's also got a giant at that is pasted on the desktop and other things. It keep's planting links and programs all over the place. I really don't want to redo my whole system but it was looking like that. I'll try a restore and hope that works, I think I did it before and it seemed to fix most things. I'm gonna try to get free Avast as a last resort to try and wipe out a virus since i'm pretty sure that is what's doing it. Since I clear 300-500 things off in safe mode Adaware and then they all start over again in regular XP. Hopefully i'll be able to get it fixed.
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| 16 | xpdurmind
Sustainer
ID: 319471922
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 21:13
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It sounds as if reformatting is the easiest option. These blended threats could be nasty. It took me 4 hrs to clean up my cousin's computer.
A little preventative planning can help you avoid this in the future:
1.Create a limited user account if you plan on surfing in unchartered waters. You can always delete that account if you encounter problems. It should not affect the rest of your admin accounts.
2. Make sure you have the latest AV software and up to date definitions. Norton Internet Security (firewall and AV) can also detect some of these parasites. It also let you boot from CD and run a scan on your disk without booting into xp.
3. Make sure your windows has the latest paches and security updates.
4. Get a Mac
If you plan on tackling the problem check out these sites:
grc.com some of his free utilities helps secure windows against attacks.(Your Three Musketeers)
parasites more than enough to keep you busy for a couple of hours.
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| 17 | PuNk42AE
ID: 11130321
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 22:49
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SON OF A... Of course somehow my system restore was turned to off...
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| 18 | Old Man Greene
ID: 12033114
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 06:22
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There are two things you need to stay away from problems like this...go to majorgeeks.com...it's loaded with freeware and shareware software..I've download AVG anti-virus, Zone Labs firewall, spybot, spyblaster(won't eliminate spy/adware but will prevent it from getting to you) a registry cleaner and many more...also spend the money to get a program called GoBack...it allows you to revert as far back as 3 days to reset your drive to what it was that day..it gives you several options of revert time and is a life saver..I can't tell you how many times I've deleted something, had a hijacker or some strange happenings on my computer and I've just gone back and reverted my drive and the problem is corrected..To check out Goback go to symantec.com/goback..it has protected my computer for 4 years now...I also run virus checks at least once a week..and the spy/adware at least twice a week..I really don't have many of these problems and if I have something I can't get rid of I just use the GoBack software and it has always eliminates the problem
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| 19 | Mike D
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ID: 41831612
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 08:15
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Mr. Greene, sounds like you have things in good order. Might I recommend also adding the MS Antispyware that youngroman referred to in post 14? I really like it so far. I'll warn you that it runs in the background (assuming you let it), which means it can conflict with something else that is monitoring activity (spyblaster comes to mind).
You are the first person on these boards that I've seen mention AVG anti-virus. It's my Anti-Virus of choice as well. No more paying for it, no more Norton taking over the computer or McAfee update issues. I highly recommend it as well.
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| 20 | PuNk42AE
ID: 269192411
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 11:50
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Now I can't even get the net to work on my home computer. I think when I ran Avast it found 25 virus's (all of which is from this program since there were none last week when I checked), but i'm thinking it might have embedded itself in files I need and then they got deleted by avast. So now it is def a reformating job. Unless anyone knows how to restore a system if somehow system restore got turned off. I don't know how it got turned off either since I used it about a year ago when I had other problems.
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| 21 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 11:59
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You can try reinstalling windows over top of windows and hope that the necessary files get put back in. If you want to, of course.
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| 22 | PuNk42AE
ID: 269192411
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 12:05
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Yeah I was planning on that to try and hope to get the net back in some sort of way so I can email myself some important things I need to save.
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| 23 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 12:06
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Some viruses are boot drive viruses, which means they stay in the bootable part of the partition. So even after you've re-installed the OS on top of the old one, they stick around. If you have 25 viruses(!!!) then you definitely need to do a format, and a full one at that. I recommend doing it in DOS with the /u command. (line is: format c:/u)
When your up and running, get Service Pack 2 and all the security updates right away. Alot of those viruses are probably preventable with an updated OS.
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| 24 | PuNk42AE
ID: 269192411
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 12:12
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Yeah but they are all coming from whatever this thing was that hit me wed night. Because I ran avast on sunday and then when I did it in safemode last night it found 25 of them. So somehow all of this stuff opened a giant door to everything.
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| 25 | JTSERB
ID: 40135411
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 13:01
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Punk,
I agree with the majority its time to reboot. You can try all the programs to get your computer running back to normal, but it seems like you computer is in way to deep.
Here is links to some programs that you should dl immediately after you reboot. Install the steps in order.
SERVICE PACK 2
MS SERVICE PACK 2.... Alot of people have said that they have had problems installing this service pack update, but after you clean out the computer completely you should have no problems what so ever updating. It’s really worth it to. It has an internal pop up blocker in IE which is pretty good. Turn on the automatic firewall also. And don’t forget to set windows update to update automatically.
AVG ANTIVIRUS
AVG ANTIVIRUS, I honestly think it’s the best on the market and it’s free! Schedule this to run daily.
Ad Aware
Ad aware SE is the safest program for parasites IMHO. Might not be the best, but the others will do more damage then harm if you don’t know what you are doing. (I haven't tried Microsoft’s yet you might want to experiment with that).
Also after you reboot set windows to automatically do certain tasks.
You can do that by going to Start-All Programs-Accessories-System Tools-Scheduled Task-Add New Task
Id recommended setting up Disk Cleanup to run once every 2 weeks. This has nothing to do with viruses or spy ware, but it will make your computer run more efficiently
You should also run disk defragmenter every week to. You get there by going to Start-Programs-Accessories-System Tools-Disk Defrag. You can run this anytime you want, but id recommend once a week because the longer you wait the longer the program will take to run.
Well I hope this helps good luck.
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| 26 | Old Man Greene
ID: 12033114
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 17:57
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Mike D
I totally agree with you on the AVG...and I can't believe it's actually free...I also swear by GoBack (not free, but worth the price)..I've had a couple times when I had a issue with spy/adware and just couldn't find the problem in a reasonable time..I just simply rebooted....reverted my drive to the way it was the day before and the problem was gone ....I'll checkout the MS Antispyware..sounds interesting
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| 27 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 21:52
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OK, I'm going to hijack the thread for a second.
Those that use AVG.
How did you fix the problem with email.
Outlook will not work now that I have AVG loaded.
I went to the forum, and still haven't been able to figure it out.
Cliff
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| 28 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 22:19
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Not work?? In what way??
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| 29 | peebee
ID: 22104329
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 22:55
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it seems that the new version of AVG will not let the smtp (your sending server) traffic out and you will get an error saying that out look cannot contact your SMTP server. So you mail will stay in your outbox...
you have to disable the outlook pluings for outgoing mail to bypass this problem..
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| 30 | Johnny Sue
ID: 317420
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 00:13
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Which Avg Antivirus should be downloaded and where do I find it? What difference is there between this product and Ad Aware?
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| 31 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 00:36
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I can receive mail, but can't send anything.
This is the error message I get.
The message could not be sent because the server rejected the sender's e-mail address. The sender's e-mail address was 'cliff_dilling@verizon.net'. Subject 'Fw: Replacement JR Weekly Special: Royal Jamaica Corona Grandes', Account: 'incoming.verizon.net', Server: 'outgoing.verizon.net', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '553 Authentication is required to send mail as ', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 553, Error Number: 0x800CCC78
Password is in and still can't see why I can't get mail out.
Cliff
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| 32 | Old Man Greene
ID: 12033114
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 04:01
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GoatLocker..This my help, but it it seems to be a problem since AVG upgraded fron version 6 to version 7...got to http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1...
click on I NEED HELP
click on AVG FORUM
click on email scanning
click on Can't send emails after upgrade to 7.0.300
You may find help in the forum
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| 33 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 08:26
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I had no idea-----I'm still using version 6. Sorry Cliff.
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| 34 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 12:40
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Thanks OMG.
I've been there and doing what they said to do made it worse.
I only have AVG on the laptop and so far, the answer has been to use webmail vice Outlook.
Guess I need to spend the time working on this later.
Really appears to be a problem with 7.
Cliff
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| 35 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 12:54
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Could uninstall 7 completely, and I could try e-mailing 6 to you..........I'm heading out soon, back later. Let me know.
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| 36 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 12:57
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Isn't this version 6?
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| 37 | PuNk42AE
ID: 269192411
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 13:18
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How do you start up the computer into DOS to reformat with XP? I tried yesterday doing it without being in DOS and it kept some of old windows.
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| 38 | biliruben
ID: 310322219
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 14:52
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Why is AVG better than McAffee? What are the problems with updates?
I did, briefly, have a problem with updates, but uninstalling Spybot fixed it right up.
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| 39 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 15:51
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AVG is free.
I pay for Norton on my desktop, but really didn't want to pay for it again on the laptop.
Had heard lots of good things about AVG, but am sure having nothing but problems from the email side.
Works fine otherwise.
Cliff
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| 40 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 15:56
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Mike,
I think your link is to something different.
The one I'm running is the one OMG referred to at
This link
Cliff
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| 41 | Old Man Greene
ID: 12033114
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 15:59
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Support for AVG Anti-Virus 6.0 extended to February 15, 2005
In November, 2004, Grisoft announced the end-of-support of AVG Anti-Virus 6.0 as of January 31, 2005. In order to provide additional time for our customers to upgrade their licenses, this date has been extended to February 15, 2005. All support, including virus database updates, program updates and technical support will be discontinued on this date!
Users of AVG 6.0 who neglect to upgrade to AVG 7.0 by February 15 will no longer be protected from viruses by AVG. In order to continue to be protected by AVG Anti-Virus, you must be using AVG 7.0.
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| 42 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 16:40
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Indeed it is Cliff. Well then, let me recommend Anti-Vir in post 36, which is actually what I'm using. Lol
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| 43 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 16:49
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Thanks Mike D,
Well, if I don't get it figured out shortly, I'm going to uninstall and give yours a chance.
Cliff
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| 44 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 16:55
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I was starting to wonder....I've never had a problem before with it, and neither have the people I've installed it on/passed it along too.
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| 45 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 16:57
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Punk, you need a win98 boot disk. Other OS boot disks work ok, but I like the win98 one best. Just a preference really... They all do the same thing, which is boot you into DOS.
Go here to download the utility to make a boot disk.
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| 46 | peebee
ID: 4211453
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 20:31
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www.avast.com
Another good free program
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| 47 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Sat, Feb 05, 2005, 23:17
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Avast does appear to be solid. I had to get a good free program after Norton crashed my machine (I'm still unable to get rid of it in order to properly reinstall System Works).
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| 48 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Feb 06, 2005, 11:32
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Well, got everything back to working.
Loaded MikeD's AV
Outlook now works fine.
Think I found it though afterwards and it was just a setting that AVG had changed.
Ran AdAware last nite.
Also loaded and then ran MSspyware.
It didn't find anything after the adaware run.
All current on XP updates also.
Good thread all.
Cliff
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