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Subject: Important: Price Changes for 2001
Posted by: Motley Crue
- Donor [101010298] Wed, Aug 22, 09:01
One of my big deals is thoroughly reading all of the rules of any fantasy game I want to win. I always recommend this to anyone who will listen on these boards.
This season it appears there is at least one major difference in the pricing aspect of The Sporting News (or Small World if you like) Fantasy Football. It is not something that jumped out at me right away, but when I thought about it for a few minutes, I realized that it was not merely a subtle change. The rules state that the price changes this year will occur at noon on the first day of the NFL Week (presumably, 12 PM on the day of the first game of any given week). This is the exact same time as the roster freeze. This is significant for 2 reasons.
1) If you expect to realize any profit from a player, you will need to have him on your roster for the upcoming week's game. Last year, you could experience a profit on Wednesdays, and then trade out of a guy before he played again the next week (for example, if he had a poor matchup the following week) or if he was going into a bye (an obvious trade situation). This year, you won't be able to get that additional profit because you will need to sell the player before the Price change/roster freeze to avoid a disappointing score. In other words, you can buy Michael Bennet Week 1 for his matchup against Carolina (9/9), but if you want to get some money out of him on the first price change (9/16), you will have to hold him against the Ravens in Week 2.
2) This rules change should make gaining cash significantly more difficult for managers. It makes the whole decision-making process more difficult, because making money and gaining points will conflict more than they have in the past.
Just one more thing to consider when building those Opening Day rosters.
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| 1 | White Tiger
ID: 17752917
Wed, Aug 22, 10:30
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Thanks MC, it does make u need to think a little harder about match-ups, bye weeks, etc ...I guess finding a money train is even more important this year .... (he will need to have a solid schedule, solid price, and solid performances) (Can we say Hasselbeck??) ;) (I'm still not sold on putting him on my roster, the next 2 pre-season games will help me decide)
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| 2 | sarge33rd
ID: 137202111
Wed, Aug 22, 11:46
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lol White...'still not...' hell, I've only got 2 QB slots, but they've been so far occupied by Pepper/Warner/Favre/Green/McNabb/Hasselbeck/Grbac...
team has gone thru more gyrations than a hula-hooper chasing a Guiness Book record! (prolly will continue to up until the 1st roster freeze!)
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| 3 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 39446311
Wed, Aug 22, 13:37
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I think we need to figure out/get confirmation of what "the first day of the NFL Week" is exactly, before we get to excited about this.
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| 4 | Professional Chiller
ID: 42618313
Wed, Aug 22, 13:45
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Here is what is written:
"Valid Roster and Roster Freeze (first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET) - Every week, members will have to make sure that after trading players the roster is full (11 players) by the roster freeze on that week's deadline."
So there is no way the "first day of the pro football week" and the "Roster Freeze" is the same day and time. It has to be that Tuesday like it always is. That is also the "First day of the pro football week" when coaches have to submit their injury reportrs correct?
don't you all agree?
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| 5 | natedog
ID: 33351923
Wed, Aug 22, 14:07
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Why not? They can make the roster freeze whenever they want...
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| 6 | LuckyBruin
ID: 1465468
Wed, Aug 22, 14:29
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The rules read:
Valid Roster and Roster Freeze (first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET) - Every week, members will have to make sure that after trading players the roster is full (11 players) by the roster freeze on that week's deadline. Otherwise, they will receive zero TSNP for that week. That day's points will be awarded only for players on the roster at the time of the roster freeze.
They go on to say:
Price Changes - Weekly price fluctuations will take place on the first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET based upon the previous week of trading.
So, from what I read, the Roster Freeze takes place at 12 PM ET on "first day of each pro football week." Likewise, the Price Changes will, "take place on the first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET." This means that the Roster Freeze and Price Changes will take place AT THE SAME TIME EVERY WEEK.
When the "first day of each pro football week" is will be irrelevent in terms of what Motley Crue is saying. If they happen on Tuesday ever week, then that means that the owners need to have their roster filled for the upcoming week by 12 PM ET on Tuesday (before the injury reports come out). If it is on Thursday, same thing. The important thing is that there is no time between having the roster frozen and the price updates. ou can't keep one player on your team with the hopes of dropping him before his price fluctuates.
Luck to all....
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| 7 | Valkyrie
Leader
ID: 56640810
Wed, Aug 22, 20:04
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Where is Bill Clinton when we need him or did he cause the semantics problem?- My guess is that the price update will be on Tuesday, the first day on the new football week, and that the roster freeze is the day of the first game or the first football "game day of the week" if you will. Actually I think the game might be better if the roster freeze and price updates coincided on the first football game day of the week. And I did not have a sexual relationship with that "ugly" woman.
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| 8 | Ref
ID: 185542916
Wed, Aug 22, 20:29
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It's about time they fixed this flaw.
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| 9 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Wed, Aug 22, 20:36
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Roster Freeze on Tuesday is totally unreasonable. If that is the case I will not play at all. I don't want to have to make decisions on injured players on Tuesday. If they are referring to Sunday then by all means it is fair, but no way is Tuesday fair.
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| 10 | curly
ID: 347231613
Wed, Aug 22, 20:56
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gee,first day should be sunday most times huh? perhaps eric could clarify that.
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| 11 | sarge33rd
ID: 137202111
Wed, Aug 22, 21:01
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Ender....Tues is fair, as is Wed or Thurs or Fri. Maybe not easy, but since the time deadline is the same for everyone, by definition, it is fair. I figure they did not specify a day of the week as in Mon/Tue/Wed etc, because the first day of the football week, may well be dependant on whether or not there is a Thurs game that week. I'd assume Sat if no Thurs game, Thurs if there is a Thurs game. Just gonna have to wait and see what unfolds I guess.
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| 12 | DMAN
ID: 5042211
Wed, Aug 22, 21:10
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Taken from their Learn To Play section.
The roster freeze occurs on the first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET, starting with the first day of the season: Sunday, Sept. 9.
Roster Freezes for the 2001 Pro Football Season:
Week 1: Sun, 9/9 Noon ET
Week 2: Sun, 9/16 Noon ET
Week 3: Sun, 9/23 Noon ET
Week 4: Sun, 9/30 Noon ET
Week 5: Sun, 10/7 Noon ET
Week 6: Sun, 10/14 Noon ET
Week 7: Thu, 10/18 Noon ET
Week 8: Sun, 10/28 Noon ET
Week 9: Sun, 11/4 Noon ET
Week 10: Sun, 11/11 Noon ET
Week 11: Sun, 11/18 Noon ET
Week 12: Thu, 11/22 Noon ET
Week 13: Thu, 11/29 Noon ET
Week 14: Sun, 12/9 Noon ET
Week 15: Sat, 12/15 Noon ET
Week 16: Sat, 12/22 Noon ET
Week 17: Sat, 12/29 Noon ET
And the Price updates are the same day and time:
Beginning with Week 2 (Sunday, Sept. 16), prices for players are updated the first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET based upon the previous week of trading.
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| 13 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 227142121
Wed, Aug 22, 21:30
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DMAN, this seems to mirror the Nascar process that they have used this year. I've watched it from a distance while my wife has played.
I like the idea. I think it will be challenging at times to resist the obvious money gainers in order to score points. Many inexperienced players will buy based on the prior week's performance, without looking at match ups, bye weeks, etc.. No time to swap in/swap out which could be done in prior years if enough trades were banked (and they usually were). It will be tough also to sell a sure money gainer.
Buying players for points with money in mind also. Interesting concept. ;)
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| 14 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 231045110
Wed, Aug 22, 21:53
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I like it. I wasn't going to play this season, but this might coax me in.
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| 15 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Wed, Aug 22, 21:58
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OK, I am guilty of poor word choice. Let me not mince words then, a Tuesday roster freeze is Bull$hit. I will not play if that is the case.
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| 16 | subliminAble
ID: 29743213
Thu, Aug 23, 03:27
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Thanks for the heads up Motley Crue.
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| 17 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 101010298
Thu, Aug 23, 06:43
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I am pretty sure that DMAN's post #12 verifies what I said: TSN considers the first day of the NFL Week to be the first day a game is played. Usually Sunday but there are a few Thursdays thrown in there, too. And the last three weeks of the season will start on Saturdays.
I am of the opinion that this will add another dimension to the game and make it more challenging, which is always a good thing. Sometimes this game seems like it is based a little too much on luck.
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| 18 | Professional Chiller
ID: 42618313
Thu, Aug 23, 09:38
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WOW It seems that you guys are correct. I think this statement will clear it up for all of us:
· Beginning with Week 2 (Sunday, Sept. 16), prices for players are updated the first day of each pro football week at 12PM ET based upon the previous week of trading. If you click on a player's name, you'll be able to see what his price was last week, and what it is now.
Well I don't like it cause it is a change in the way we are sused to playing, but I'll play anyway. I am addicted to this fantasy football stuff. It definetley will be challenging.
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| 19 | Erik B.
ID: 277342117
Thu, Aug 23, 15:08
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Gang:
Hopefully, this change should clarify things: on the site, we changed our explanation of the roster freeze from "first day of each pro football week" to "day of the first games of each pro football week". Also, we added a chart to the rules sections listing all 17 roster freezes of the season.
-ESB
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| 20 | Challenger
ID: 257262022
Thu, Aug 23, 15:23
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Erik,
Thanks for the info, but I believe the main concern in this thread is the fact that last year the price changes was on Tuesday. It appears to us that the price change will now be the same time/date as the roster freeze time/date. Is this correct?
Thanks! Glad to have a TSN employee on the boards!
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| 21 | ivan
ID: 55739237
Thu, Aug 23, 15:47
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doesn't this just make the game easier, w/o money only trades?
or in effect does this force a player to only consider pts, and for the most part ignore money only type trades?
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for example: if running back A is facing dallas, one could assume that both: the running back will gain serious pts, and his value will rise since players will buy him.
if the masses will buy last weeks big point gainer, regardless of who they are playing this week, the masses are not the competition.
if running back A is purched, based only on the fact that he put up big pts vs dallas and held vs baltimore...
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| 22 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Thu, Aug 23, 15:50
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It doesn't allow folks to do pure money moves - something I view as an improvement. Every trade one must balance between money and possible points - as it should be in a stock market game.
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| 23 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 101010298
Fri, Aug 24, 06:16
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I believe that most of the people playing TSN/SW will have the foresight to examine the schedule when pondering who to buy and sell. Maybe I am giving the lemmings too much credit, but this game has been out there for a while now and it is a pretty straightforward format.
Hopefully everyone who notices this rule change will pass it along to people they know who are playing. The trading trends should be different this year, and the more people who understand that, the more likely we are to benefit from it.
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| 24 | sarge33rd
ID: 28737239
Fri, Aug 24, 06:44
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actually MC< I'd have to disagree with that. From my observations, MOST of the people are utterly w/o a clue.
In golf for ex....Tiger Woods price rose consistently last year. Week in and week out. EVEN...when he wasnt playing golf that week at all! The 'lemmings' or the 'sheep' or the 'herd' or whatever you wish to call the nameless hundreds of thousands who actually do drive the pricing, do so with no more logic than a blindfolded monkey throwing darts at a list of names. (The list would have to be BIG names though, cause thats who the masses tend to go for.)
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| 25 | Valkyrie
Leader
ID: 56640810
Fri, Aug 24, 21:41
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I think with his explanation and semantic change Eric indicated that the price changes essentailly will be done Tuesday (the first day of the football week) and the roster freeze will be Sunday or Wednesday as the case may be. i.e. just like last year. I think this might have been a better and certainly more interesting game under Motley's interpretation but apparebtly such is not to be.
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| 26 | Erik B.
ID: 277292515
Sun, Aug 26, 01:40
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V:
Actually, Roster Freeze, Price Updates and Trade Adding will all be on the same day, the day of the first games of each NFL week.
So, Challenger, you are correct.
I hope this helps. And just so you know, I'll be off-line for the next two weeks, and then starting at TSN the week thereafter. I will try to make a point in the fall of having some regular communication on this board (within reason), but if it seems like I've disappeared over the next three weeks, it's because I have.
-E
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| 27 | sarge33rd
ID: 28737239
Sun, Aug 26, 06:11
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Erik,
Thanks loads for the clarification on this! BOL to you with TSN! (Hope this means MUCH better responsiveness from the company. So far, since you first came on this forum, I've seen you respond to more inquiries than I've gotten email replies over the past two years from SW.)
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| 28 | Richard
Leader
ID: 16725823
Sun, Aug 26, 09:42
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Personally I don't see much difference in the money aspect of the game this year as compared to last year.
Over the past coupe of seasons the price changes have been dominated by trades made coming into the first games of each NFL week (pre-roster freeze, usually Sunday) and the trades made post-roster freeze and pre-price increase had little or no effect on the price changes. The few trades (<20% of the total) made post-roster freeze were overwhelmed by the large number of trades (>80%) made pre-roster freeze.
This year the price changes will be driven 100% by pre-roster freeze trades and the price change patterns will look remarkably similar to last year's pattern. People will still sell bye-week players. People will still buy players who had a big game the week before. People will still buy high-impact players who are coming off of a bye-week. People will still rotate into the defenses that are playing the pitiful offenses.
If anything, the convergence of roster freeze and price change will simplify the trade strategy. You won't have to hold a trade or two just in case a very popular player tears up a knee on Sunday morning. Last year you had the tough decision to sell either before the price change (figuring that lots of managers had trades left over so they could bail out before the price change) or wait until after the price change (figuring that the big price drop would occur on the second price change a week and a half after the injury). This year, this decision will be a moot point. The price change will have already happened before the injury occurs.
Richard
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| 29 | Valkyrie
Leader
ID: 56640810
Sun, Aug 26, 19:21
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Thanks Eric, motley, Challenger and everyone else who read this all "correctly". Semantically I still have some problem reaching the actual result but that for me is now moot because I now know how it works. Richard as the king of price changes i certainly would defer to your opinions however the days of holding a player for his price gain when you really wanted to start someone else are obviously gone under this scenario. I guess it doesn't make much difference "buying" players but it sure would seem to make a big difference "selling" your players.
Now you actually have to play "the turkey" the next week to cash in on a price gain attributable to the previous week's performance. All in all I think it will play better but for me it is a pretty significant change.
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| 30 | walk
Sustainer
ID: 592181610
Mon, Aug 27, 13:53
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I'll take Richard's view on this -- the Lord of the Re-Pricings is right. The wise rule change really pretty much makes only those trades involving "extra moves for making money" obsolete. Now the trades -- that we all wind up making anyway -- are purely based on the projection that points comes first, and money will then follow. However, there aint no monetary parachute for those that make mistakes in their predictions around points.
- walk
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