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Subject: NEW ENGLAND WINS Posted by: Ira - [1591458] Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 22:07 Total Upset, any thoughts? | |||||||
| 1 | Makisupa Donor ID: 401144218 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 22:08 | Woohoo! | ||||||
| 2 | Buckwild ID: 10116219 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 22:12 |
Nobody can say they got lucky. Look what they did to Pittsburgh and now St. Louis. Most ppl thought Pitt and STL were the best 2 teams in the NFL. Ha!! They won't be talking for awhile. The Pats are really the best team. You have to give the Rams credit though, the played hard but the Pats had better scheming and coaching. P.S. The rams were lucky to even be close at the strat of the 4th when the fuble TD return was nullified. The final should have been 17 to 10. The NE did showed how good they really are and all the talent they had when it mattered. Limiting the greates show on Earth to 10 points? Unheard of. | ||||||
| 3 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO ID: 9952114 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 22:27 |
yeah baby!!!!!!!!! over 400 bucks won with 3 bets combining nba and nfl tonight!!!!!!!....now if only the bulls would win....i'll get other 200.... c'mon brad, ron and tyson!!!!!!! the biggest bet included was over ind, mia over the knicks, san, bos, the lakers and new england, pretty lucky combination of results, i know, but it must turn right one time in a life!!!!!!! | ||||||
| 4 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 23:00 |
STL shot themselves in the foot. Plain and simple. 17 of NWE's points came off of turnovers. NWE did exactly what a team needed to do to beat the Rams: Capitalize on the Rams' mistakes. The Rams made about 3 key mistakes tonight and NWE capitalized on every one of them. That's a championship team. This was probably the most exciting Super Bowl I've ever seen (granted, that's not a lot) and it's great that the Patriots won at a time when we are already celebrating our nation's patriots. | ||||||
| 5 | Sludge Donor ID: 113368 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 23:03 | What's up with Brady as MVP? The guy played mistake free, had a great 53 yard drive to set up the GW field goal, and had a short field after an interception for his only TD. That's all fine, but I'd pick Law (and the rest of the Patriots bend-but-don't-break secondary) or Vinatieri (for his clutch kicks) over Brady. (Okay... maybe the kicker is a stretch...) | ||||||
| 6 | smallwhirled Donor ID: 42932191 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 23:08 |
Agreed Sludge, Law: INT return for TD, 8 tackles (7 solo), covered Issac Bruce all over the field...how many times did you hear "Brruuuuuuuuuuucccce!" An underestimated point that not many people will bring up... Antwain Smith played a hell of a game. 90 something yards, BUT his carries gave New England crucial first downs to swap field position and give the D a rest. St. Louis won in yards and time if possession, but I remember a few very key first downs that kept the "greatest show on turf" off of the field. smallwhirled | ||||||
| 7 | beastiemiked ID: 14821921 Sun, Feb 03, 2002, 23:30 | Brady was not the MVP. Besides that last drive he did nothing. You take away Law's int return and him from the game and the Rams would have won, take Brady away from the game and the result probably would have been the same. | ||||||
| 8 | wazaaap_guy ID: 5178246 Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 02:54 |
2 things. 1. Shouldn't there have been about 2 seconds on the clock after Vinatieri made that field goal. This could have given the Rams time to call for a fair catch, do some trick plays, or whatever, like that lateral Wychek did to Dyson to beat the Bills. 2. I agree with the Brady pick for MVP. Law would have been a decent choice, and no one else on offense really stood out. I think Brady was also a sentimental pick, after that magnificent season taking over for Bledsoe, the whole qb controversy thing, becoming the youngest qb to win the super bowl, and completing the fairy tale season like warner did two years ago. for all this i don't think there's anything wrong with the pick and i don't think anyone is complaining. | ||||||
| 9 | WiddleAvi ID: 711552415 Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 08:59 |
wazaaap_guy - I was thinking the same thing about a second or two being left on the clock. I thought for sure that Law would be MVP or worst case scenerio co-MVP. oh well. As far as the best super bowl ever.....far from it. it was not very exciting until the 4th quarter. | ||||||
| 10 | JeffG Sustainer ID: 40451227 Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:44 | I thought there should have been time left on the clock too, but we have to remember, we are looking at FOX's on screen clock, not the offical time. That and no Ram made issue of time not expiring. | ||||||
| 11 | j o s h ID: 37115416 Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 16:23 | agrees with beastiemiked | ||||||
| 12 | KnudeDude ID: 34551620 Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:26 | Great game, Great Defense, I was just glad to see it was still close going into the fourth quarter. I can't wait for the whole thing to start again next season. | ||||||
| 13 | sosa ID: 1157112 Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 03:36 | NFL says no clock controversy | ||||||
| 14 | beastiemiked ID: 17414316 Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 13:53 |
Covering their tracks again after another blown call. Maybe if they would make the right call in the first place they wouldn't have to justify it. Play Started Ended Time Jeff Wilkins'50-yard FG 3:21 3:15 :06 Wilkins'52-yard miss 13:22 13:17 :05 Vinatieri's37-yard FG 1:22 1:18 :04 "(Field officials) are instructed to wait until the ball clears the goal posts and either hits the ground or the net," Aiello said. "The clock operator then turns the clock off." It clearly went straight through and hit the net with 2 seconds left. | ||||||
| 15 | Caper ID: 17915912 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 11:30 | I think Brady was the right choice because of what he DIDN'T do. That was turn the ball over. This game was a clasic example of dictating the pace of play. The Rams wanted to run and gun with lots of posessions, the Patriots had to control the clock and keep the game methodical. They had to make the Rams earn their yards slowly. They did that and the Rams made the mistakes. The defense was great, the kicking was great but IMHO the key was, to usea basketball analogy, the half court team was able to force the fastbreak team to try and beat them with their halfcourt offence. The lack of turnovers was the key to that working, along with keeping the Rams in front of them all night. | ||||||
| 16 | Sludge Donor ID: 1440310 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 12:28 |
Brady and the offense didn't dictate crap. The defense dictated that entire game, and even then they let the Rams pile up some yards. New England punted the ball 8 times. 3 more than the league average. 3.4 more than their own average. Brady had 145 yard passing. A full 60 yards under the league average, and 45 yards under his own average. The offense only scored 13 points, 7 points below their average. The only thing the offense did well was not turn the ball over, and run. They didn't even control the clock that well, as you say. They had the ball for 26:30, giving the Rams 33:30, which is a lot of time for a high-octane offense like the Rams have. In fact, it's 90 seconds over their average. It's just even more testament to the bend-but-don't-break style of defense they played. | ||||||
| 17 | Caper ID: 17915912 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 13:24 | I didn't say Brady dictated crap, I said the Patriots did. The defence was absolutely the MVP for them ( or Belichick if you will). But IMHO Brady did the things he had to to keep them in that game, led the drive at the end and held onto the ball. I like the choice because he kept them in the game ( or gameplan) until the end and led a solid drive that finished in the winning field goal. As a Patriots fan, I am happy to see Brady get it but then again the mascot getting it would have satisfied me as long as they get the trophy. I guess Brady is as good a symbol of a team MVP as I could see for that group IMHO. | ||||||
| 18 | WiddleAvi ID: 410311811 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 13:34 | No offense Caper but I agree with sludge ..... There is no way that Brady should have goten then MVP. Towards the end of the game I was wondering who would they give MVP to and I thought if anyone should get it it should have been Law. | ||||||
| 19 | Caper ID: 17915912 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 13:53 | No offense taken with either of you. I was happy with the game and the choice. It certainly was not an offensive display and the numbers are what Sludge presented. I'll just enjoy the glow. As I said the win is what was nice to see. | ||||||
| 20 | beastiemiked ID: 17414316 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 15:12 | I'd like to see Dilfer's numbers from last years SB compared to Brady's this year. Same with Law and Lewis. | ||||||
| 21 | Sludge Donor ID: 1440310 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 15:29 |
Ask and you shall receive.
Of course, those numbers don't accurately reflect Lewis's contribution to the game (he batted a few balls down if I remember correctly), and comparing a guy from the secondary to a linebacker isn't necessarily fair either. | ||||||
| 22 | sarge33rd ID: 1811169 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 17:40 | personally felt Law should have rcvd the MVP. Almost never see a defensive player win it though, regardless of what feats of magic they pull off. Blanketing Bruce all day was sufficient in my mind to win it for Ty. | ||||||
| 23 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 19:21 |
Ty Law all the way. IMO, Brady was only integral to the team for the last minute of the game in the game-winning drive. But if you're going to give it to him for that, then why not give it to Adam Vinatieri for kicking the FG that actually won the game? Brady and the offense only set him up, they didn't actually kick it through the uprights. | ||||||
| 24 | beastiemiked ID: 14821921 Wed, Feb 06, 2002, 19:45 | I would've had no complaints if Vinatieri would've won it. He kicked 2 FG's in the SB plus the one against the Raiders. If Antowain Smith would've had the TD I think he would be MVP today. | ||||||
| 25 | KTxGOD ID: 560462423 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 10:27 | Larry Brown, Cornerback, Dallas Cowboys won MVP one year vs the Steelers IIRC | ||||||
| 26 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 10:48 |
Past Super Bowl MVPs Defensive Players: Special Teams Players: | ||||||
| 27 | sarge33rd ID: 9120422 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 12:02 | KTx--thats true. But if you'll note: I said ALMOST never see a Defensive player win it. On rare, and I do mean RARE occassions, they deem it necessary to award it to a defender. But incredibly infrequently. | ||||||
| 28 | Sludge Donor ID: 1440310 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 12:12 | If you call 1 out of every 6 Super Bowls "incredibly infrequently", sarge, then I'm all with ya! | ||||||
| 29 | Bungers ID: 5311343110 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 12:19 | They seem to have an affinity for Dallas Defensive players...even in a losing effort. | ||||||
| 30 | sosa ID: 1157112 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 14:36 |
-- Fans Give Brady the Super Bowl MVP -- The Boston Globe reports Patriots QB Tom Brady has a lot fans, especially Internet surfers, to thank for Monday's trip to Disney World. With four votes, Brady finished behind teammates CB Ty Law (5 1/2) and PK Adam Vinatieri (5) and ahead of CB Otis Smith (1/2) in media voting for Super Bowl MVP. What put Brady over the top was the four fan votes he collected from superbowl.com The fan voting saw Brady, Vinatieri, and Law finish 1-2-3, the three were separated by just 5,000 votes, but it was winner take all for the four fan votes. | ||||||
| 31 | KTxGOD ID: 47149718 Thu, Feb 07, 2002, 22:27 |
Sarge, i didnt mean to say you were wrong I was just trying to name the last Defensive player to do so...and i forgot Ray Lewis haha... shows how good that superbowl was | ||||||
| 32 | sarge33rd ID: 9120422 Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 08:25 |
not a prob KTx... Sludge, considering that defensive players comprise 50% of the players yet only 16% of the MVP awards, I'd say yes...incredibly infrequently. Actually, this was one of the rare SB games, where an entire D should have gotten the MVP> The NE D come out and did EXACTLY what they had to if they were to win that game...take it (the game) away from StL., and thats just what they did. | ||||||
| 33 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 111151112 Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 12:15 | A new arrival in Hell was brought before the devil. The devil told his demon to put the man to work on a rock pile with a 20-pound sledge hammering in 95 degree heat with 95% humidity. At the end of the day, the devil went to see how the man was doing, only to find him smiling and singing as he pounded rocks. The man explained that the heat and hard labor were very similar to that on his beloved farm back in Massachusetts. The devil told his demon to turn up the heat to 120 degrees, with 100% humidity. At the end of the next day, the devil again checked on the new man, and found him still happy to be sweating and straining. The man explained that it felt like the old days, when he had to clean out his silo in the middle of August on his beloved farm back in Massachusetts. At that, the devil told his demon to lower the temperature for this man to -20 degrees with a 40 mph wind. At the end of the next day, the devil was confident that he would find the man miserable. But, the man was instead singing louder than ever, twirling the sledge hammer like a baton. When the devil asked him why he was so happy, the man answered, "Cold day in Hell, the Patriots must have won the Super Bowl!" | ||||||
| 34 | Bawler ID: 518361923 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 00:58 |
Funny, you guys bitching about MVP's.. If you didn't notice, the Patriots were introduced "AS A TEAM". Who cares about a "most valuable player"? In any case, Brady plays error-free and the Patriots score when they need to. Can't say either for the Rams. I'm proud to say that my TEAM won, and they did so by beating the best "teams" in football. Who cares who the "mvp" was? | ||||||
| 35 | Sludge Donor ID: 113368 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 09:32 |
Yeah, and if you didn't notice, Brady didn't go to Disney World as a team. He didn't appear in the "Got Milk?" ad as a team. He hasn't appeared in many interviews as a team. Clearly, Brady cares about being MVP. | ||||||
| 36 | Bawler ID: 518361923 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 20:20 |
What a lame comeback, Sludge. I'd expect better from you. | ||||||
| 37 | Sludge Donor ID: 113368 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 20:48 |
Lame? Explain how it was lame, please. You opened the door to this "there's no 'I' in 'TEAM'" argument, and I'm just commenting on how silly it is. Of course people care who was Super bowl MVP, especially Brady. Do you think he's going to wince every time he's introduced as Super Bowl MVP? Of course not! He's going to soak it up. At the risk of taking the photo out of context, he seems pretty proud of that little piece of hardware, doesn't he? | ||||||
| 38 | Bawler ID: 518361923 Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 09:31 |
Since reading comprehesion obviously isn't one of your strong points, I will repeat what I said: "Funny, you guys bitching about MVP's.. If you didn't notice, the Patriots were introduced "AS A TEAM". Who cares about a "most valuable player"? In any case, Brady plays error-free and the Patriots score when they need to. Can't say either for the Rams." The topic of this post is "NEW ENGLAND WINS", yet it turned into a debate about who should have won the mvp award. It's THAT focus on individuality that has the Rams sitting at home with one ring when they've had the most "talented" team in football for three years straight. | ||||||
| 39 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor ID: 266182910 Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 09:49 |
So we can't talk about particular aspects of the game because New England chose to be introduced as a team? Geez! If you're not interested in the discussion, do everyone a favor and don't take part in it. Yes, New England won the game as a team, but there was still and MVP selected. No really, there was. I swear it. Besides, Tom Brady did look pretty happy all by himself at Disney World and he does look mighty happy to be showing off that hardware. | ||||||
| 40 | Sludge Donor ID: 54131712 Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 09:59 |
Funny how a friendly debate about who should have gotten the Super Bowl MVP turns into a personal attack. Funny how you selected this thread to complain about threads going in a direction different than their intended topic. You a topic cop now? Let me go check the other threads on Guru's site that didn't stick to their original topic and see how often you complained there. If you followed your "AS A TEAM" rationale down its logical path, you should have been arguing that nobody deserved to win the MVP award. In that case, you would have gotten no argument from me. By bringing up Brady's error-free performance, you implicitly agree with the choice of Brady as MVP. | ||||||
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