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0 Subject: RIFC - Draft preparation

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Aug 03, 2004, 13:36

First, let me recap the final league rules. Most items were determined by league vote, which means that there isn't always consistency or symmetry. So be it. It's kind of like Congressional legislation, I suppose (although hopefully not that bad.) Please alert me to any errors or problems ASAP.

Roster
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
2 IDP (flex)
8 bench
20 Total

Offense Category
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25
Rushing yard 1/10
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10
Kick return yard 1/25
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Decimal scoring: yes
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49yds 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Team Defense
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
Shutout 10
1-6 points allowed 7
7-13 points allowed 4
14-20 points allowed 1
21-27 points allowed 0
28-34 points allowed -1
35+ points allowed -4


Indiv Defensive Players
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 2 (half sack=1)
Interception 2
Fumble forced 1
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
IDP receive points for any touchdowns scored, regardless of cause (off, def, or return)
IDP do not receive other offensive points or return points

All free agents are subject to weekly waivers

Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
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74Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:33
That's fine, culdeus. I wasn't pushing for an early start. Just making the option available.
75Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 12:37
Hmmmm...

TB offered me 3 players in return for 1, and the system allowed me to accept it.

Oh - never mind - I must have had some open slots on my roster.

Ever hear back from Fanball on your inquiry, deepsnapper? When I've asked questions, I've always had a response within a day.
76Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 12:58
Well, that was interesting. I just filled my roster with 20 players. Then I offered a trade to deepsnapper, giving up one and getting 2.

The system didn't balk at that, and told me that the trade had been offered. I wonder if it really was offered, though. Deepsnapper, did you get that 1:2 offer? If so, accept it and let's see what happens. If not, let me know and I'll look into it further.
77Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 13:08
Guru, I offered deepsnapper 3 players for his one. He has the full roster which appears to be giving us the problem.
78Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 13:53
Yes, but for this last offer, I had 20 players on my roster to start with. I offered one player to deepsnapper in return for 2. The trade proposal was evidently offered to deepsnapper without hangup. If he accepts it and it's approved, I would have 21 players on my roster as a result.
79Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 14:09
He will get an error message if he accepts it. In order to accept it he will have to drop a player from his roster first.
80TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 15:27
I declined the 1-1 trade. I cannot find a history showing where I declined it. I am assuming it just shows up under your approved/declined trades. I just filled my roster back up and offered another 3-1.

I like the recent transactions column to the right when clicking on Home link. I also like how you can sort between signed/dropped/traded/ on the recent transactions page.
81TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 15:52
Just curious what "newsbreakers" show up on each teams page. Screwing around some more, I dumped most of my team and added Raider players. Every newbreaker story at the bottom of the page is about my Raiders. It probably says somewhere that the "newsbreakers" are related to current players on your team.
82Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 15:55
Trip[79] - he would only have 19 players if he accepts. I'm getting 2 players from him, and he is getting 1. He doesn't need to drop anyone.

I would be the one who is over limit, but he is the one who has the opportunity to accept the trade, as it currently stands.
83deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 02:10
I'm waiting confirm the answer I received from Fanball. The initial response stated to include the players to be dropped in the transaction by telling the trading partner who was being dropping so they could be included in the trade offer. I questioned that as being a little more than the person you were trading with needed to know. I haven't received a response.

If I try and accept either of the unbalanced trades, I get error #1 from Challenger & Taxman's and #2 from Guru's. I cancelled Challenger's to free up his players.

1. Acceptor team: Roster cannot exceed the league roster maximum of 20.

2. Requestor team: Roster cannot exceed the league roster maximum of 20.


later, ds.
84Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 17:18
OT:Not to hijack the thread but... heh, culdeus:

They are looking for you on the Politics Board to see if you want to play PoliBoard Yahoo! Football again this year. Tree is commissioner. Let him know--sounds like you are about to get booted out of the league for non-responsiveness.
85deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 19:24
I sent another request in asking for further clarification and this is the answer I received:

Unfortunately making a 3 for 1 or 2 for 1 deal is not an automated feature with a section to add your "drop" players. The best solution for this scenario is to have a pre draft or pre season rule included in your Other Rules section. The team receiving the 3 players would have to include the 2 players they intend to drop with the final trade proposal. You would have to discuss these trades outside of the proposal page if you didn't want those players revealed, you would have to decide as a league if the players added outside of the trade needed to be dropped no matter what to become waivers as they would be if they were just dropped, or if the owner receiving them has the right to hold onto them.

Hope this helps, and sorry for the inconvinience.
86Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 19:44
I'd suggest that we make the following agreement.

If you decide to accept a trade which first requires you to drop one or more players, follow this process:
1. Send an email to the proposer with a copy to me (the Commish) stating that you intend to accept the trade and are currently in the process of dropping players to make it fit.
2. Immediately drop the required players.
3. Accept the trade.

The reason for step one is to notify the proposer that it is too late for him to rescind the trade offer. However, if the trade accepter does not execute the required transactions within a matter of minutes, then all bets are off.

If the proposer does not get the email and rescinds the trade while the other players are being dropped, then the Commish can enforce the trade. The copy to me is simply to establish the audit trail in case of dispute.

This process should ensure that unbalanced trades can be proposed without the need to disclose the balancing drops.
87culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 19:46
Maybe I don't get the OTC program but I can't figure out how to get into a selection window? help
88Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 19:51
Perhaps it isn't officially activated yet. I can get to a draft entry page, but maybe that's just because I'm the administrator. I do see a link that says "start draft", so perhaps I need to click that in order to activate.

I just clicked it. Can you get to a draft page now?
89Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 19:55
League outsiders should be able to see the draft in progress using this link: http://www.kafenatid.net/on_the_clock/draft_peek.php?league_id=9

90Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 20:53
Kafenatid draft is now showing started/activated with culdeus up with no time limit.
91Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 20:58
ref post # 86, No players should be dropped in order to make room until trade receives Commish approval.
92Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 21:02
Guru,

How did you set your schedule? I'm feeling lazy.
93Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 10:08
Re: 91

If processing worked as it should, you would still have to "drop" players to in order to execute the trade. The dropping of players would probably be contingent on trade approval, however.

The next step is peer review. Managers have 24 hours to challenge the trade. If there is no challenge, then the trade goes through.

If there are enough challenges to put the trade to a vote, then we wait another 24 hours for the voting.

If the trade is disapproved at that point, then the Commissioner would need to restore the dropped players to their original roster.

I just set up the league so that dropped players cannot be claimed for 48 hours. That should preclude any premature pickups while a trade is in limbo.

How's this all sound? This would also mean that any dropped players, including those not trade-related, are subject to a 48 hour lockout period (during which they are subject to a waiver claim). I could reduce this to 24 hours (with the ccaveat that players involved in trade challenges are subject to an additional 24 wait.)


General question: Is a 48 hour waiver moratorium OK for dropped players? What if there is less than 48 hours until game time? (There is a optional setting that allows dropped players within that period to be immediately deemed free agents.)
94Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 10:23
I've always liked the direct-to-free-agent route myself (no muss, no fuss) but can understand the arguments about having a waiver period. And your solution on waivers for dropped players on trades sounds optimal.

So, I'd be in favor of dropped players going immediately into the FA pool, but wouldn't put up a fight if others wanted a waiver wire.
95leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 10:26
I prefer a waiver wire period of 48 hours for dropped players. If the player has a game in less than 48 hours, then he is unavailable that week.
96Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 11:25
Ditto leggestand
97MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 11:47
Ditto
98TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 11:58
Ditto, only if recently acquired players are also frozen on a team roster for the same amount of time.
99Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 12:02
Good point. That would need to be administered manually, however.
100Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 13:00
TB I assume that is to avoid someone adding and dropping like a mad man to lock out players for a weekend.

I like the 48 hour wait period as well.
101culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 17:56
FYI I plan on putting my pick in at roughly noon Sunday CST. Most of the pre-season games are Sat and I just want to make sure everyone makes it out alive.
102Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 18:11
Everyone please try to use the draft queue feature of the program. If you aren't around, find someone who can pick for you and send 'em a short queue.
103culdeus
      ID: 406391518
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 19:34
Actually looked at the schedule make that midnight Friday. hint, hint.
104culdeus
      ID: 406391518
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 20:04
Where were the IDP scoring inputted on the site? I don't see any IDP scoring?
105Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 12, 2004, 21:13
The IDP formulas are in there, but it appears that they aren't published anywhere (other than in the Commissioner input pages, which I can see.)

I submitted a feedback item to see if they can get these added to the rules page.

If you click on a player listing for one of the IDP positions, you can see the points calculated based on last year's stats.

106Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 13, 2004, 13:48
Got this response:
Your observation is correct, the IDP scoring is not showing under the "Rules" section. This error is being addressed and should be resolved soon. Inform your league members that IDP scoring has been set up and is working in the Commissioner product, but they cannot view at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience this causes. Thank you for your help and patience.
107Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 13, 2004, 13:54
If anyone wants to experiment any further with the various roster management tools, please do so in the next few days. On Monday, I will clear all rosters and begin entering the draft results.
108TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 13, 2004, 23:36
I was looking at the On the Clock draft manager at Kafenatid and don't understand how we make picks. I tried to set a que, but it looks like you email a que to someone else. When it is my turn to draft, does it allow me to see a list of available players and I click on the one I want or is there somewhere I have to type in a name?
109Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 00:04
As I recall, you'll have a pull down list to choose from (taken from Yahoo)
110CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 46033123
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 01:42
Looks like Omar Easy got through the game unscathed. I guess you can make your #1 pick official.
111culdeus
      ID: 406391518
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 02:20
And we're off!
112CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 46033123
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 02:25
I apologize in advance if I hold up the draft too much. I will do my best to leave queues and will have pretty steady access this weekend until Sunday afternoon.

This should be a lot of fun. Good luck everyone.
113Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 02:31
Tomlinson off the table.
114Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 06:37
TB[108] - When it is your turn to draft, you will see a place to type in the player name and select team and position. As I recall, the software compares that name against those in a database (presumably taken from Yahoo) and asks you to confirm.

You won't see a list of available players at kafenatid. You will see a list of available players at fanball, to the extent that I have updated all draft picks at that site.
115Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 10:52
Hey, I thought this was a keeper league! ;~)

Okay, I tried to hide Holmes, but do I really have to trade him to culdeous for nothing?!!? ;~)
116Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 11:09
You'll be getting a hardy handshake and a ham sandwhich for him.
117 deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 13:09
Fred & James - If it's okay with both of you, I'll made both you Designated Pickers as you're on the other end of the snake. I don't plan on missing any selections, but a backup is always "a good thing". lol

I have my annual physical on Tuesday, but that's about it TMK.
118CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 46033123
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 13:12
Guru - I sent my queue through the "Queue Management" tool. I'm going to shoot 9 holes so if it gets back to me in the next 3 or 4 hours things will be on hold for a bit.
119deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 13:42
We should move over to the draft discussion thread since we're no longer preparing for the draft but conducting it. lol
120deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 16:01
Donny - I missed that "Mounds" reference in the League Parameters thread - lol

Actually, it's because of all the naturally well endowed women we have in North Texas. (see DCC) ;)
121Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 16:30
Regarding bids for RIFC next year, the following was mentioned in post 7:

Consider these options:
1. The top 6 teams get automatic bids. The 7th and 8th place teams get a bid if they advance to the second round of the playoffs and have at least a .500 record, or if they advance to the final round.

2. Six teams will get automatic bids, selected in the following order:
a) the top 4 seeds in the playoffs
b) any team reaching the 2nd round of the playoffs
c) the 5th seed
d) the 6th seed
If more than 6 teams qualify under a & b, then they'll all get automatic bids. But the 5th seed would only get a bid if less than 6 teams qualify under a and b, and the 6th seed only qualifies if none of seed 5-8 win in round 1.


Guru, did you decide on one or neither of these?
122Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 17:15
I went with the latter, not expecting that more than 2 of the 5-8 seeds would advance.

I'll probably just invite all 8 playoff teams back (7 excluding me). Assuming the format remains the same next year, that would leave 6 slots to be filled from qualifying leagues.
123Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Tue, Dec 14, 2004, 17:22
How about a consideration for the Toilet Bowl winner, as well?
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