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Subject: Raiders Management Are Idiots
Posted by: MadDOG
- [2783045] Sat, Sep 04, 2004, 14:35
A fifth and a sixth round pick for Marques Anderson the Packers backup safety?
You got to be kidding me? Trust me I follow the Packers and the guy sucks. He's bad in coverage and makes alot of mistakes.
Who the hell trades to fairly high draft picks for a backup safety who was in danger of getting cut last week? What a steal of a trade for the Packers.
Here's what Football Forecaster says about Anderson.
GOING INTO CAMP: Anderson will battle free agent Mark Roman for the starting job at free safety.
ASSETS: Solid all-around athlete Pursues plays sideline-to-sideline. Is very strong for his size. Makes good decisions in zone coverage.
FLAWS: Doesn't change directions well and has trouble in man-to-man coverage. Lacks exceptional ball skills. A lights-out hitter who misses his mark and leaves his feet. Makes bad decisions and gets over-aggressive at times.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Stopgap starter.
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| 67 | TB
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 19:54
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Looks like it was a smart move for them. They were overloaded at safety with Sharper, Roman, Bhawoh Jue, Fuller, and Curry. They aren't so strong at DE. Gbaja-Biamilla is solid at one side but who starts on the other? Holmes? Kampman?
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| 68 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 19:57
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If this R-Kal Truluck turns out to be a bust this year, I will say Green Bay management are idiots. Why wait until after the year is over? You didn't give OAK management that luxury. Why not look at the fact that Truluck couldn't even find a consistent playing time, or a start, as a DE on the 3rd worst rushing defense in the league and say that GNB management are already idiots? It's the logic you used for OAK.
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| 69 | MadDOG
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 19:58
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KKB, R-Kal Truluck was a part time player for Kansas City. Probably in passing situations.
I think Marcellus Wiley was a full time player. That's why his tackles are higher.
Like I said before, I don't know whether this guy is good or bad. But, 6 sacks in 15 games for a part time pass rusher is pretty good. You gotta think he might be able to duplicate that at least this year and I think he's gonna get more playing time with Green Bay than he got with Kansas City.
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| 70 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:03
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Julius Peppers of the Panthers only had 7 sacks last year and he's considered one of the best defensive linemen in the league.
Jevon Kearse only had 9.5 sacks and the Eagles just gave him 40 or 50 million bucks.
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| 71 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:05
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Maybe he is a part time player because he isn't that good in any situation that doesn't involve "3rd and long". Just maybe....
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| 72 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:06
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TB, Kenny Holmes got cut today. Aaron Kampman is the starter. He's pretty good against the run so maybe Truluck will come in on passing downs.
Sounds like a plan.
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| 73 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:16
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MadDOG, since when is sacks the only determination of a good lineman? Jevon Kearse also had 42 tackles, 1 INT, 4 forced fumbles, 1 pass defended, and was a starter. Peppers had 46 tackles, 3 forced fumbles, 3 passes defended, and was a starter. And why did Kearse get paid? Maybe because he had sacks against TAM (5th fewest sacks allowed), NWE (14th fewest sacks allowed), NYJ (13th fewest sacks allowed), and GNB (2!, 2nd fewest sacks allowed). See, he's getting his against weak teams AND tough teams. THAT's why he's getting paid. MadDOG, you're really starting to come across as not knowing much about football (either that, or a blind homer). I'm certainly no expert on football (I'm more a baseball and hockey guy), but to try to compare Truluck, who could barely play on one of the weakest defenses in the NFL, to Kearse and Peppers is pretty bad, IMHO.
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| 74 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:17
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For informational purposes, Truluck has 0 INT, 0 forced fumbles, and 0 passes defended... in his career.
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| 75 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:20
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KKB, Truluck is a situational pass rusher. How many times do I have to tell you that? And 6 sacks in 15 games is pretty good for a defensive end.
I'm throwing out Peppers and Kearse sack totals to prove that point to you.
BTW, you think the Eagles signed Kearse because he's good against the run? He better get some serious sack totals with the Eagles or the Philly press is going to be all over him.
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| 76 | Athletics Guy
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:22
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Let's not forget that Peppers and Kearse also get double-teamed a lot, something that doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
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| 77 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:25
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Also, I bet you most of those forced fumbles you are talking about with Peppers and Kearse probably came from the quarterback that they were sacking.
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| 78 | MadDOG
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:26
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Good point Athletics guy.
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| 79 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:28
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Actually, I'm sure Truluck gets triple teamed since he's such an awesome situational pass rusher. ;)
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| 80 | MadDOG
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:30
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I have already said that I will call Green Bay management idiots if this guy doesn't help the team.
And I will do it for the same reason I called Oakland management idiots.
Because 5th and 6th round draft picks are valuable.
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| 81 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:31
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Maybe Kansas City has the smartest management? :)
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| 82 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:32
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Getting Priest Holmes from Baltimore was a pretty good move.
LOL.
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| 83 | rockafellerskank
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:34
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...Then every draft pick is valuable and every time any management trades one for a player that doesn't work out they are idiots... by apllication of your logic, every management team in the hisory of football is idiots. ;)
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| 84 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:39
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They didn't trade one pick. They traded two picks.
And they traded them for a guy that was about to get cut or barely survive the cuts.
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| 85 | TB
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:49
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I was just looking at the cuts Green Bay made. They waived Curtis Fuller and Julius Curry at safety. With Chris Johnson on the PUP list, that leaves only Sharper, Roman, and Jue. At DE, they not only cut Holmes, but Nwokorie and Rogers as well. That leaves them with Corey Williams, Jadae McGuire, Seante Williams, and Supermans Dad as back-ups.
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| 86 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:50
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Hey Truluck had 3 QB pressures and 14 assists on tackles too last year I just found out from the Kansas City website.
Things are looking better and better. I'm sure you are all overjoyed with this news. :)
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| 87 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:55
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McQuire and Seante Williams got cut.
They are high on Corey Williams a 3rd round pick this year I think.
I was surprised the cut Tyrone Rogers. He played well in the preseason.
The kept a guy named Cullen Jenkins who is the older brother of Carolina defensive linemen Kris Jenkins who is an all pro I think. Jenkins also played well in the preseason.
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| 88 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:57
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GNB must have been looking at the KAN web site because Yahoo, NFL.com, and CBS Sportsline all have him with just 2 assisted tackles. KAN seems to have him down for an extra solo tackle as well. Nothing like padding the stats before a trade, eh?
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| 89 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:59
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Man, the Chiefs put Mike Maslowski on Injured Reserve meaning he's out for the season.
Their whole defense fell apart last year when he got hurt.
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| 90 | MadDOG
ID: 50836517
Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 21:03
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Yea, who knows if he really had 14 assists on tackles.
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| 91 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 22:25
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Who knows? Yeah, you've got a severe case of homerism. Seems everybody, except the Chiefs web site, thinks Truluck got 2 assists last year. But, who knows, right? Geez, you can't even admit when you found false data in the face of multiple sources, including NFL.com, refuting the data.
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| 92 | TB
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Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 23:49
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Check this out:
At punter, the Packers are expected to begin the season with two punters, keeping both third-round draft choice B.J. Sander and 15th-year veteran Bryan Barker, signed Aug. 23.
WTF? Who needs two punters?
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| 93 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 10:46
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I cannot believe this much time has been spent discussing Marques Anderson and R-Kal Truluk (Mientkixppgq!).
This is the kind of thread I'd expect to see in May, not 4 days before the first real game. I vote we let this dog die. I'm sure we'll be able to find it after the season when we can come back and review how these 2 stellar players performed.
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| 94 | RecycledSpinalFluid
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:04
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Bills management are idiots, as they "released two draft choices from the 2003 class: guard Ben Sobieski, a fifth-round pick, and defensive tackle Lauvale Sape, a sixth-rounder."
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| 95 | RecycledSpinalFluid
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:09
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From same link:
The Raven's are kinda idiots, as the "Ravens...cut eight players, including 2004 draft picks Tony Pashos and Brian Rimpf...Pashos, a tackle, was the Ravens' fifth-round choice. Rimpf, a guard, was chosen in the seventh round."
Atleast it was a low 7th round pick, not a high 6th rounder.
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| 96 | rockafellerskank
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:11
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So, how stupid is GB management? The cur a former #1 choice in Tim Couch!
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| 97 | TB
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:46
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Sorry MC, I am with RSF, RFS, and KKB in that this thread was pretty fun. =)
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| 98 | Mike D
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 14:52
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"Atleast it was a low 7th round pick, not a high 6th rounder."
LMAO!
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| 99 | MadDOG
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Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 18:58
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I almost made a post about Nick Rogers being released by the Vikings last night.
And now he's a Packer. Might be a decent pickup.
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| 100 | kev
ID: 3155515
Mon, Sep 13, 2004, 20:35
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Just to give the guy his due, I just read this in ESPN insider...
"Sources close to the Packers say HC Mike Sherman should be both thrilled and surprised to score 5th and 6th round picks for SS Marques Anderson, who was dealt to Oakland before the final roster cuts. Anderson was a sloppy tackler who missed a lot of assignments last year"
MadDog, I give you your due.
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| 101 | TB
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ID: 031811922
Mon, Sep 13, 2004, 20:46
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Why did you have Maddogs Due? How much Due could a Bears fan give out if a Bears fan could do Due.
Anderson has 3 tackles and 4 assists Sunday, btw.
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| 102 | Mike D
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Mon, Sep 13, 2004, 21:13
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WTF does that post say TB? LMAO!
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| 103 | MadDOG
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Mon, Sep 13, 2004, 21:14
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Don't forget to look for R-Kal Truluck sacking Jake Delhomme tonight fellas.
R-Kal is a pass rushing god. :)
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| 104 | Jack
ID: 983148
Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 09:26
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Weird...Just an unbiased view from the sideline:
Maddog starts the thread by stating that 5th and 6th round picks were fairly high, and then later mentions that Packers GM Ron Wolf held on to late round picks like they were gold.
So are these picks fairly high, or late rounders? Hmm..or by going with this thought, maybe only the 7th round picks are late rounders.
How can you slot 5th and 6th round picks as fairly high, and then state that they are late rounders?
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| 105 | Mike D
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 09:43
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Poetic license, I'm afraid.
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| 106 | MadDOG
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 10:11
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I have never seen so many guys miss the whole point of a thread because they are stuck on two words, "fairly high".
Ridiculous.
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| 107 | Mike D
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 10:16
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What was the point Dog? Was it that Raiders Management Are Idiots?
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| 108 | Jack
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 10:41
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I thought the point you were trying to make was that the Raiders paid an insane price for this player. I think most of the following points were that a 5th and 6th round pick are not a high price, and therefore do not qualify the management of the Raiders to be deemed as Idiots.
Now if you want to look at their decisions in other areas, ie Warren Sapp, Kerry Collins as a highly paid back-up, etc, I would support your idiot claim,
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| 109 | Jack
ID: 983148
Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 10:43
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And if you think we are stuck on those 2 words, "Fairly High", then finally just admit you made a mistake already, and classify them as 2 lower round picks.
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| 110 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 10:45
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MadDOG, you do realize that those 2 words are the crux of your argument, don't you?
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| 111 | MadDOG
ID: 50822147
Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 11:29
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My argument is that a 5th and 6th round pick were too much for Marques Anderson. A first grader could tell that.
It's been turned into a thread about what the words "fairly high" mean.
BTW, Mike Sherman, Packer coach, made a statement that he was pleased with the pressure and pass rush that R-Kal was generating. I watched the whole game and didn't see him once. I don't even know what his number is or which side he is lining up on. But Sherman said he played well.
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| 112 | KrazyKoalaBears
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 13:33
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MadDOG, it's probably because "fairly high" is the basis for you saying a 5th and 6th rounder are too much to pay. You see, you can't have one without the other, thus "fairly high" is the crux of your argument.
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| 113 | BayAreaBlueJays
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 14:43
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The guy who finished 8th in the 100m final in Athens did great...he finished fairly high,even though he was last.
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| 114 | Mike D
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 14:55
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Can't argue with that. It's all perspective.
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| 115 | Jack
ID: 983148
Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 16:48
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Hello all,
This is MadDOG. (ok, ok, it really isn't) I would like to end this message thread once and for all by finally admitting I used the wrong choice of words when I referred to a 5th and 6th round picks as fairly high picks. Sorry I was so stubborn, and instead of admitting I used the wrong words, I admit I just copied and pasted someone else's work on late round picks panning out.
I still agree he is not worth a bucket of footballs, but I finally will admit in writing that 5th and 6th round picks should never be referred to as being "fairly high".
Sorry for the confusion all.
Peace to you this Football Season.
Amen.
Brother.
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| 117 | Micheal
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Tue, Sep 14, 2004, 21:16
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I graduated fairly high in my class. 106th out of 112.
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