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0 Subject: RIFC - Regular Season Discussion #1

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Sep 08, 2004, 12:54

The season is almost upon us, and we might as well open up a new thread for in-season discussion.

I already swapped kickers, with Nedney getting injured prior to his opening game. I added Tynes.

I'm still worried about my RB situation. Suggs' status seems murky, but hopefully he'll be ready to play by Sunday. Also, my backup, Kevin Faulk, is already out for this week, although I wouldn't have started him anyway, since I would have to commit to that on Thursday.
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167Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 13:28
So they are not automatically included for your IDP? I wonder why they are for our league?
168Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 13:30
Or do you have no points awarded for anyone, and then you are adding them in for the offensive players only?
169Trip
      ID: 478261310
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 13:50
They are not included in our IDP scoring at all.
170Trip
      ID: 478261310
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 13:52
Post 168 is correct - they are not included at all. I thought that this was how you were doing it and after reading the rules, I assumed that this was how you had it set up. After re-reading, it appears that you didn't think it was an option to include IDP return yardage.
171Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 13:56
I'd always wanted the "all players get points" strategy, but I agree that the Guru plan is fine.
172TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Oct 15, 2004, 18:37
I voted to allow defensive players to get return yards and wouldn't mind seeing it included, but I will go with whatever is decided. It makes no difference to me.
173I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 227221220
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 01:47
RE: #123... too bad you didn't pay enough attention to the matter that I brought up... maybe you would have noticed that it affected your division too?! That's what you get for for not paying attention to the "lower" Qualifier leagues questions.
174Motley Crue
      ID: 181650
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 07:50
Wow, you told us so!
175deepsnapper
      ID: 15843714
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 10:08
Rock the vote - Yes

#127 PD - Whatever, but it was George W that needed to pee in a bottle after the final debate wednesday night. He must have slipped a couple of his daughter's "party poppers" in as his toes were sure tapping 9000 mph. lol

#131 Ender - It's doubtful I'll get 100% back. I'm an early candidate for cataracts so thats the biggie to watch out for besides blindness of couse. The surgery cleared out all my "floaters" though. :)
176Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 10:57
I have not yet heard back from Fanball.

Since I have received no objections to my proposal, I will implement it. The consensus seems to be to remove the points for both me and Motley, so I'll do that.

No KR or PR yardage points will be counted this weekend. I will manually back them out. Set your week #6 lineups accordingly.

Our stance for weeks 7 and beyond will depend on the response I get from Fanball. We may need a vote early next week.

Meanwhile, I have received no objections to the recent trade between Leggo and Motley, so I just processed it.
177Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 14:39
Re: 173

It should be up to the commissioner and players of each league to solve their own disputes. I don't blame Guru for not getting involved.

I did read the thread thoroughly and understood what the problem was. I did not realize at the time that the same problem affected us. I suppose that's par for the course since none of us noticed it anyway until now. I didn't think it impacted us. I focused more on the dispute itself rather than the actual scoring issue when I read it.

178Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 16:11
Here is the response I received from Fanball:
"There was apparently some confusion on your question the first time and the previous responder gave you the wrong information. What happens is that anytime a player touches the ball on a kick or punt return the system recognizes them as being an "offensive" player, regardless of whether or not they are an offensive or defensive player. Sorry for the confusion, and any inconvenience this may have caused, please let us know if you have any further questions."
So, our options are as follows:

Option 1: Allow return yardage points for all players starting in week 7.

Option 2: Continue to exclude return yardage points for IDP. I will need to manually adjust them out each week, which is not difficult, but still a manual step that will need to be applied after the fact.

The arguments in favor of #1 are
  • that we orignally wanted this approach,
  • that the impact on actual IDP results looks to be fairly marginal,
  • that it would not necessitate a manual adjustment each week,
  • that the points calculated by Fanball would be accurate as published (in both the live scoring and player listings),
  • and that by implementing the change after week 6 but before the next claiming period, the change can be applied in an open and controlled manner.


  • The argument against it is that it is a mid-season change in a scoring rule.

    I'm willing to go either way on this, and want the rest of the league owners to vote. However, since including return yardage for IDPs is a rule change, I will require a majority affirmative vote before implementing option 1. Thus, any abstentions or non-votes will be construed as a vote to continue with option #2.

    Thus, please vote now. Option #2 will be applied unless I get 8 votes for Option #1 prior to 1pm ET on Tuesday, Oct. 19. The deadline is to allow sufficient time for everyone to consider possible free agent claims in the event of a change.

    179Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 16:12
    I'll vote for option #1.
    180GoatLocker
          ID: 427272213
          Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 16:19
    Option #1 is fine with me.

    Cliff
    181Ender
          ID: 0442215
          Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 19:24
    As I said before I despise midseason rule changes, but this strikes me as totally different for the reasons stated by Guru above.

    The initial vote was to include return yards for all players and we were misinformed by Fanball. There for I vote for:

    Option 1
    182TB
          Leader
          ID: 031811922
          Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 20:50
    Option #1
    183Taxman
          ID: 34919127
          Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 22:37
    Option 1


    Guru...you have no kicker active in Gold Member for Oct 17
    184Perm Dude
          ID: 2343587
          Sun, Oct 17, 2004, 01:28
    option #1.
    185MikeV
          SuperDude
          ID: 25924115
          Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 17:54
    option #1
    186Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 19:52
    That brings the tally to 7 votes for option 1, none against. But I need 8 votes to approve it.
    187Motley Crue
          ID: 181650
          Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 22:01
    I vote for Option 1.
    188Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 22:34
    All right, it's settled. Plan your free agent claims accordingly for this week.
    189Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 10:29
    For week 6, I made return-related scoring adjustments for two teams:

    RotoGuru.com was reduced by 0.92 (for each game) to eliminate KR yardage for London Fletcher.

    Motley Crue was reduced by 1.88 (for each game) to eliminate KR yardage for Terrence McGee.

    None of these impacted the winners of the games. Fantasy point totals should be updated within the hour.
    190TB
          Leader
          ID: 031811922
          Wed, Oct 20, 2004, 00:32
    I shot out a couple trade offers tonight. I am looking to upgrade at Team D or TE. I feel pretty good at every other position, unless Guru wants to make me some kind of offer for Culpepper (like Deuce and Plummer...hint hint)

    30.57 points a game. Wow.
    191Ender
          Donor
          ID: 013443221
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 11:55
    PD, here's hoping Putzier is good for less than 7.5 pts tonight :)

    I'll be watching intently as I need a good game from Rod Smith (and a bad one from Kaesviharn).

    100 yds and a TD will work nicely.
    192Motley Crue
          ID: 181650
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 18:48
    PD started 4 IDP's against me this week. Talk about opening a Pandora's Box.

    I'm wondering how the game is going to score that. Currently, the Live Scoring feature has included the extra player's score.

    If that doesn't change, what happens next, Guru?
    193Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 19:39
    Penalize him 5 yards for too many men on the field?

    I wonder how he managed to do that?

    I guess I'll have to deduct some points. I'd like to hear from PD what the "manager's intent" was, since there are no hanging chads for me to inspect.

    In any event, it doesn't appear that any point adjustment will impact the winner of the game - unless I declare it a forfeit!
    194Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 22:43
    I decided to use my Commissioner powers to bench the highest scoring IDP in Perm Dudes' lineup. Now his lineup is valid.
    195TB
          Leader
          ID: 031811922
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 23:45
    Are transactions allowed on Sunday nights? I noticed a late transaction last week and another one this week.
    196Ender
          ID: 0442215
          Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 23:50
    Indeed! Last nights at 6:00p EST is significant to my game.
    197Perm Dude
          ID: 2343587
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 00:03
    As I mentioned in my email to Guru, I'm not at all certain as to how I got 4 idp's. Didn't know you could start an invalid number of players. I picked up Anthony Henry for this week and made moves to start him and thought I had made the same moves for both games (my game against Challenger reflects the lineup I wanted).

    Luckily it doesn't change the score for me, but it's very odd that I was able to get 4 idps in game 2. Maybe it doesn't check the lineup validity for game 2 if game 1 is OK?
    198Ender
          ID: 0442215
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 00:16
    Currently I am down by 6.22 points.

    The player in question, Kevin Kaesviharn, has scored 7.5 points.

    I want to know what's going on. How was Taxman able to add him after games began yesterday?
    199Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 00:27
    Players can be added or dropped until 5 minutes before their game time. The add/drop transactions at 6pm Sunday were both Cincy players, who did not play until Monday.
    200Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 00:30
    Copied from the rules page:

    During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions:
    Weekly starting Wednesday 01:00p EST and players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game.
    201Ender
          ID: 0442215
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 00:34
    Well, duh. Always doublecheck the rules. Sorry, I was too concerned over the margin of victory and the player in question.
    202Taxman
          SuperDude
          ID: 029463114
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 05:17
    Seems to me there is a not so veiled unjustified attack on attorneys here .. but of course in PD's case, it is justified. I was only an innocent bystander.
    203GoatLocker
          Sustainer
          ID: 060151121
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 09:09
    Sure hard to win without a QB.

    Cliff
    204Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 09:28
    ...but possible.

    In another league that requires 2 QBs, my team was 0-6 going in, but I managed my first win this week with the studly QB duo of McNair and Quinn, who managed to complete about 3 quarters of play combined.
    205TB
          ID: 59933268
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 10:34
    I planned on grabbing the Colts D during the waiver period for this week, but when I went in to set my claims they were gone. I know I saw them available Sunday morning so I was confused. Knowing what the rules are now it makes sense on what happened.
    206Ender
          Donor
          ID: 013443221
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 11:10
    I put a claim in on the St. Louis D thinking it was a great matchup. Guru outranked me in the waiver process and took the beating for me. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good as they say.
    207Taxman
          SuperDude
          ID: 029463114
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 12:05
    I would like to think the genius of my last minute move between Cincinatti DB's was the winning move in match with Ender, but the DB dropped scored 3.5 points which still would have proved me a win, but with a margin of just 2.22 points.

    Guru, that was a masterful use of mirrows in breaking through in the Golden Member competition.
    208Ender
          Donor
          ID: 013443221
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 13:23
    Rub it in :P
    209Guru
          ID: 46962416
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 13:26
    I'm not sure what mirrows are, but I'm glad to know I was masterful with them!
    210Motley Crue
          Leader
          ID: 439372011
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 13:53
    Those are the aisles they have on the Russian space station.
    211Taxman
          SuperDude
          ID: 029463114
          Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 14:26
    Dave, if it is any consolation, Miami won last week also. Something comes to mind about blind hogs and acorns.
    212Guru
          ID: 330592710
          Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:44
    Perm Dude - or anyone else with more than 3 IDPs:

    Try setting your lineup with 13 players, including an extra IDP, and see if the system allows it, and/or if any error message flags the problem.

    When I try to overload my roster with a non-IDP, the system prevents it. But since PD was able to do this last week (indavertantly), I suspect the bug may relate only to IDPs. I only have 3, so I can't test the issue on my roster.
    213GoatLocker
          Sustainer
          ID: 060151121
          Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 13:27
    Dave,
    The system let me add the 4th IDP for 13 players, but comes up with a huge red box below my lineup that says:

    - Cannot start more than 12 total players. Selected: 13


    Cliff
    214cEHp
          ID: 39943123
          Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 00:06
    That sucks.

    I guess my changes for my 2nd game didn't go through successfully. I made them and end up losing by 9 points. Krenzel and Duce scored around 20 combined. Oh well........
    215TB
          Leader
          ID: 031811922
          Mon, Nov 01, 2004, 00:54
    I have made at least one wrong choice the last 3 weeks that has caused me a couple losses. I will split this week, but starting Leftwich over Plummer (which I should have done the previous two weeks) wasn't such a great idea.
    216Ender
          ID: 0442215
          Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 08:48
    Wow, they left CuMar in just long enough.
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