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Subject: RIFC Please Vote On Blind Bidding
Posted by: culdeus
- Leader [43105818] Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 09:07
WCOFF Rules, keep in mind their season stops early.
Complete Rules
7. Free Agents: Any player who is not on a team roster within your league is considered a free agent for that league.
8. Free Agent Acquisitions: The free agent system will be a “blind bidding” process. Each team will start with 1,000 free agent “dollars” for the season, and will be permitted to bid for free agents on a weekly basis. No team will be informed of any other team’s free agent bids until after the winning bids have been awarded. The team with the highest bid on any given player will be awarded that player. The amount of the winning bid will be deducted from the winning team’s free agent dollars. For each winning bid, the winning team must drop a player to make roster room for the free agent acquisition. If a team’s free agent dollars go to zero, that team will no longer be allowed to bid for the rest of the season. No bid will be accepted that is larger than a team's free agent dollars. All bids must be in increments of dollars (no cents).
9. Bidding Time Frame: The bidding process starts after the completion of Week 1 and ends prior to Week 11 on Friday, November 19, 2004 at 5 pm ET. Bids will be accepted on the league web site from Tuesday at 9 am ET until Friday at 5:00 pm ET in each of these weeks. If you are submitting by phone, you must submit your bids by 4:45 pm ET on Friday. Rosters will be updated by 6:00 pm ET Friday night with the results of all successful bids. There will be no free agent pickups after the completion of the WCOFF regular season.
10. Conditional Bids: Conditional bids can also be offered. In the event you may lose out on a player, you can place conditional bid(s) for other players during the bidding time frame. The first conditional bid will become relevant only if you lose out on the first bid. Subsequent conditional bids will become relevant only if the previous conditional bid fails. Bids do not require conditional bids. Bids may have several sequential conditional bids, but may not include bidding on the same player more than once.
11. Number of Bid Limits: There is no limit to the number of bids each week in which bids are permitted.
12. Tied Bids: If there is a tie, the team that receives the player will be determined in order by:
1. Worst total points.
2. Worst won/lost record.
3. Worst previous week score.
4. Worst QB points total to date.
5. Coin toss.
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| 1 | Sludge
ID: 08331023
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 11:58
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Sure, why not?
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| 2 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 11:59
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No changes are needed. I like how waivers are done, without a bidding process.
Rosters will be updated by 6:00 pm ET Friday night
Don't we have Wednesday waivers right now? I don't want to wait until Friday for waivers.
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| 3 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 12:01
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It seems unnecessarily complicated, IMO. Probably fine as it goes, but it adds a level of unneeded complexity.
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| 4 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 13:04
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To review, our league is currently set for a waivers claiming process on Wednesday noon. The waiver priority is reset each week, based on:
1. Season winning % (worst to first)
2. Season points scored (worst to first)
3. Points scored last week (worst to first)
Criteria 2 and 3 are essentially tiebreaker criteria. It's unlikely that the third criteria would come into play, so the rankings are effectively based on YTD performance, not the most recent week.
If we were to change, I suspect we could retain the Wednesday deadline.
I'm ambivalent, so I will abstain for now, but could be swayed either way.
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| 5 | culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 15:43
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I've always wanted a system that allowed everyone a shot at everybody on the wire. I've never been happy with the welfare state that exists in most leagues. I think people are so fed up with it at this point that they are not ressetting the waiver order at all through the year.
This just takes it to the next logical level that I would not have thought of. It adds another dimension each week in thinking long and hard about how the next hot guy will help your team. And the bye week pickups may present new challenges as well, do you burn points, do you wait for FA? It's really a thinking man's upgrade.
This league is already very deep and I would hate to see someone on top get victimized by an injury late in the season. In this system if you budget it right you can have that extra level of insurance in your back pocket, fail to do that and you expose yourself to a gaping hole in your lineup.
I like this system for this league because it will keep everyone very active as well, I usually find myself at the top of most every league I'm in and usually just wait until Thursday or whatever to pick up the FA scraps that are left. In this system I'll budget a few bids out there to see if I land someone I wanted.
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| 6 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 16:42
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Absolutely NOT
This is not the spirit of competition. there are ususally only 2 or 3 big waiver pickups per year, and guys with the best teams should have no access to them. The worst teams need access to the best players to be competitive. End of story.
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| 7 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 19:29
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NO.
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| 8 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Sat, Sep 11, 2004, 22:36
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Absolutely NOT!
From the email:
The basic concept is you are given 1000 units and you bid on waiver players each week, when you run out your balance you can't pick any more waivers up but still can get FA
The above rules indicates they are rules for free agents. The "welfare state" applies only to our leagues waiver claim process, not to the free agents.
Also, if we put in free agents claims/bids, we would waiting until Friday evening for the 1st chance to set our rosters????? No way! I don't like waiting 3 days after the finish of early Sunday games to claim free agents, why would I like waiting until Friday night?
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| 9 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 01:14
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NO
Challenger, all players go on the waiver wire each week so you are misinterpreting it (if I am interpreting your concern correctly).
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| 10 | culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 09:30
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I guess I misjudged the receptiveness to this system of doing things. I still think it represents an upgrade at least over the worst win% system and a large upgrade over a no-reset system.
The more I look at it the more I think the whole WCOFF system could easily be passed on to this forum. We could randomly pool all the people into 12 team leagues and then playoff like they do for the ultimate guru champion. A bit more inclusionary IMO. Just a thought.
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| 11 | dgrooves
ID: 513181020
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 10:55
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FWIW [and its probably not much as Im not in the offical league], I agree with culdeus. Id be interested in a WCOFF-like system, including a non-"welfare" waiver/free agent process.
I play in a league that uses a system thats somewhere between the blind bidding system and the worst win %/no reset systems. Its probably too late to use it this season, but it may be worth considering for future seasons.
At the beginning of the season, each team is allotted the same amount of free agent units. During the season, each team is given more of these units depending on its performance that week; the "worst" team gets the most and the "best" team gets the least. Also, the bidding isnt blind, its open (like eBay).
This type of system accomplishes two things: the worst teams are given the greatest probability of obtaining free agents and the best teams are at least given a chance to get those same players.
For reference, bidding is done in 50 unit increments. The best team each week is given 100 units, second best is given 150 units, etc, and the worst team is given 650 units.
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| 12 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 10:59
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No
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| 13 | deepsnapper
ID: 15843714
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 11:38
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No
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| 14 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 17:21
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NO
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| 15 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 22:04
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Ender, From the rules:
Free Agent Deadlines
During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions:
Weekly starting Wednesday 01:00p EST and players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game.
Dropped Player (when a dropped player becomes available for pickup)
During the regular season, dropped player becomes available: 48 hours after player is dropped.
Rules don't directly come out and say it, but this is what I have normally known is a waiver. If the player remains unclaimed after 48 hours, he then becomes a free agent, at least that's my understanding
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| 16 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Sep 12, 2004, 23:25
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I'm not disputing that at all, Challenger.
WHat you are missing is that ALL free agents go to the waiver wire each Sunday. You would use the 1000 pts to bid on those players as well. Say PLayer A who was nopt owned by anyone and goes for 100 yds and a TD doesn't go to the first person to logon and sign him, he goes to the owner who bids the most points. That is also part of the waiver process. It doesn't apply only to players who are cut by a team.
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