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Subject: RIFC 2005: Qualifying Leagues
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 13:42
This thread is for the organization of the 2005 Qualifing Leagues for the (2006) RIFC. For more details on the RIFC, see this thread. The purpose of Qualifying Leagues is to allow managers to earn their way to the next level. Each Qualifying League will be structured with the same configuration and rules as the RIFC.
Similar to the setup for the other sports, I’d like to have two AAA Qualifying leagues for Football. These leagues would each have 14 teams, and the invitees would come from the 6 non-playoff teams from last year’s RIFC, plus 18 non-advancing playoff teams from last year’s three qualifying leagues, plus the four other qualifying teams with the best records. If some qualifying teams are not interested in the AAA league, we just keep working down the list of last year’s qualifying league managers.
I would like to have two volunteers to commish each of the two AAA QLs. In the past, I have not had any direct personal oversight of the QLs, and I hope to keep it that way.
Once the 2 AAA leagues are constituted, we can open as many AA leagues as are needed to fill demand. Anyone is eligible for a AA league, other than someone who is already in the RIFC or one of the AAA QLs.
For 2006, I would expect to restrict the number of returning RIFC teams to at most 6 (with selection criteria to be determined). That would leave 8 slots to be filled from the QLs. We’ll have to see how many AA leagues are formed before settling on the advancement rules. In other sports, we have advanced the AA league winners to the “major” league, but for football we would have to restrict each AA league to one winner – either the regular season winner, or playoff winner. All other RIFC slots would be filled from the top AAA teams.
The non–playoff teams from the 2004 RIFC were managed by Perm Dude, TB, deepsnapper, culdeus, cEHp, and Mike V.
The playoff results of the 3 qualifying leagues are in posts 99, 100, and 106 of this thread. I assume that the non-playoff managers from those three leagues can be tracked down as well.
The first order of business is to get 2 AAA Commissioner volunteers, and to get commitments (or declinations) from the non-playoff RIFC managers and the QL playoff managers. After that, we can figure out how many non-playoff QL managers are needed, fill the open slots, and then begin working on AA leagues.
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| 1 | Promize
ID: 396261211
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 14:42
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I'm definitely in for another season. I was in the RIFC #3, made playoffs, eliminated 2nd round I believe.
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| 2 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 16:24
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I'm also in. was 2nd in QL #1 with the most total points during the regular season but had no luck in the playoffs and was eliminated by the overall winner in round 1.
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| 3 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 21:38
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I will volunteer to host a league. I would prefer to use fanball, assuming that is the format that is chosen for the main league. However, there is a $60 charge for their hosting services. This comes down to $4.29 per person.
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| 4 | art for the hall
ID: 257170
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 22:21
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I don't remember what league I was in last year or where I even finished, but I count me in again.
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| 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 22:40
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Just to consolidate in one place, here are the names of those who automatically qualify for the AAA league.
RIFC:
Perm Dude
TB
deepsnapper
culdeus
cEHp
Mike V
QL #1:
youngroman
WiddleAvi
Toral
PanchoVilla
loki
THK
QL #2:
Bonka
Wildcats
Beezer
dgrooves
Trip
Bags
QL #3:
holt
promize
pops
fugazi
hubble
beastiemiked
If all of these managers decide to play, then 4 other teams will be needed.
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| 6 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 23:23
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I will play in AAA.
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| 7 | BoNkA
ID: 20650258
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 09:50
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Just wanted to point out that I am competing in the RIFC this year and won't be playing in the qualifying leagues. So count me out on that list and find another willing manager for the qualifier.
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| 8 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 14:44
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Count me in.
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| 9 | loki
Dude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 15:52
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Would like to play in the QL.
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| 10 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 16:07
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I am in...
THK
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| 11 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 16:15
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I have set up a signup thread for one of the AAA leagues.
AAA #1 Signup Thread
Do note that by signing up for this league, you are committing to helping me pay for the league. Divided equally among the 14 manager, the total comes to $4.71 if you decide to pay me via paypal, or $4.29 if you want to send me a check.
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| 12 | Da Bomb
ID: 43359416
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 17:22
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I didn't participate in this last year, but would like to do so this year.
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| 13 | Peter N.
ID: 27602422
Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 17:26
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Count me in.
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| 14 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 10:24
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Love to play again if there is room in a league. Thanks
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| 15 | mjd
Donor
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 13:20
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I'm looking to get into a qualifying league if there's room.
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| 16 | holt
ID: 566352314
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 14:03
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I'm in.
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| 18 | holt
ID: 566352314
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 14:23
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I commished ql3 last season.
willing to do it again.
we used rotoworld's free football commissioner.
in fact - my league from last season is still there and we could probably just use that again. that way I'd only have to kick out last years members and invite the new ones, then make whatever minor rules changes there might be.
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| 19 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 14:36
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I'm in.
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| 20 | Tree
ID: 9362211
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 16:15
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i dont believe i was in a qualifying league last season, but would love to be in one this season, if there's a slot...
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| 21 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 16:40
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As stated above, managers dropping down from the RIFC and playoff teams from last year's QLs have priority for the 2 AAA leagues.
If all of those managers sign up, then there are only 5 AAA spots open. There will probably be a few no-shows, but I suspect most will want to be included, so there are unlikely to be many more than 5 "non-qualifying" slots available.
We need to establish a priority scheme for those non-qualified spots. My first inclination was to open it to the non-playoff teams from last year's QLs, but I'm not sure that is really the best option, nor necessary.
Instead, I'd like to propose that GuruPatrons (regardless of prior QL participation) get first dibs on the non-qualifying AAA roster slots, on a first come, first served basis. Using that criteria, the following GuruPatrons are now eligible to sign up for one of the two available AAA leagues:
[see post 23 for updated list]
If any qualifying manager knows that he/she does not want to participate in a AAA league this year, please let us know so that we can immediately open more non-qualifying slots. Also, if anyone has email addresses for any of the qualifiers who have not yet checked it, it would be helpful to send out a notice.
We can also begin recruiting the first AA league. There are no pre-qualifications for managers in AA leagues. It is my intent that the winner of a AA league would advance to next year's RIFC as well, while AA playoff teams would have priority for next year's AAA slots. All of this is subject to final reconciliation once the number of leagues is finalized. If there are too many AA leagues, then all AA winners may not get to advance to the "majors".
All we need to start a AA league is someone to volunteer to be the Commish.
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| 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 16:42
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Oops, I just noticed that there were some potential non-qualifiers who posted in the other thread. Let me consolidate those lists.
[pause]
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| 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 16:48
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OK, here is the updated priority list for non-qualifying AAA slots (GuruPatrons, first come, first served).
1. Peter N.
2. Valkyrie
3. Slowhand
4. mjd
5. Wiggs
6. Tree
Those prioritized 1-5 may immediately sign up for one of the two AAA leagues. Those prioritized 6 and above must wait until additional non-qualified slots open up.
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| 24 | dwfffan
ID: 2763412
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 17:08
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I would like to play again this year!
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| 25 | Letter_J
ID: 36654216
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 14:42
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I'll play...if there's room in any of the qualifying leagues.
Same with my spouse, Greybear
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| 26 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 16:09
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I emailed all of the RIFC non-playoff managers from last season. 3 have already signed up this year. Culdeus says that he will join one soon, and I haven't heard anything from deepsnapper or cEHp.
I know that deepsnapper is recovering from eye surgery, so his internet time is currently limited, but I suspect he'll join one. I don't know the status of cEHp, although he is currently playing in a AAA RIBC league, so I imagine he'll be interested.
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| 27 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 17:12
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AAA #1 (6 remaining)
Trip
loki
The Beezer
Promize
Pancho Villa
Valkyrie
Slowhand
Perm Dude
AAA #2 (2 remaining)
Holt
bmd
mjd
Peter N
mike v
toral
tb
fugazi
thk
wiggs
WiddleAvi
Hubble*
Qualified Managers Remaining (8)
RIFC - deepsnapper, culdeus, cEHp
QL#2 - Wildcats, dgrooves, Bags
QL#3 - pops
Gurupatron - Tree
*Hubble signed up for both of our leagues at the same time. He needs to verify which league he wants to join.
I have e-mailed the QL#2 qualifiers and have not heard back. Anyone know pops?
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| 28 | holt
ID: 566352314
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 17:30
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i'll e-mail pops.
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| 29 | deepsnapper
ID: 49339512
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 18:34
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I'll be playing. Sorry for not posting earlier.
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| 30 | holt
ID: 566352314
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 18:38
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deepsnapper - choose either AAA #1 or #2 and sign up in that leagues thread.
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| 31 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 19:02
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I didn't play in a qualifying league last year, but I'll play if there is a spot for me.
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| 32 | Tree
ID: 386282718
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 19:46
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just a thought - and considering i'm not even in one of the QLs yet, perhaps i'm speaking out of turn - but i've noticed people are pretty much leaping to get into the free league, to the point where they're actually abandoning the pay league.
maybe the commish of the pay league wants to re-consider?
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| 34 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 09:56
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AAA #1 (4 remaining)
youngroman
Trip
loki
The Beezer
Promize
Pancho Villa
Valkyrie
Slowhand
Perm Dude
deepsnapper
AAA #2 (2 remaining)
Holt
bmd
mjd
Peter N
mike v
toral
tb
fugazi
thk
wiggs
WiddleAvi
Hubble
Qualified Managers Remaining (7)
RIFC - culdeus, cEHp
QL#2 - Wildcats, dgrooves, Bags
QL#3 - pops
Gurupatron - Tree
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| 35 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 10:42
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For qualifying purposes there's no difference in the leagues, tree, so it might be enough to get guys to move to save the bucks.
QL#1 uses Fanball (same as the RIFC) so those managers will get a taste of how the RIFC is playing. A distinct advantage, IMO, for anyone looking to move up.
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| 36 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 10:48
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Tree,
The free league has 2 remaining spots while the pay league has 4. There have only been 2 managers which have changed leagues. If the cost of the league ends up scaring any of the qualified managers away or if any of the current members have reservations about contributing to the league's cost, I will happily pay for their spot. However, I do feel that it is a reasonable cost to play in a competitive league. It is less than the cost of stat tracker in Yahoo! and also allows for the doubleheader format used in RIBC.
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| 37 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 10:49
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Fanball also allows for doubleheader scheduling. I suspect RotoWorld doesn't.
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| 38 | wolfer
ID: 11520611
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 11:03
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I would also like to play if there is a spot open anywhere.
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| 39 | Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 12:37
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i was just making an observation. i'll play in whichever league has a spot opening up...if one opens at all...
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| 40 | Letter_J
ID: 36654216
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 14:38
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Greybear and I will play in AAA #1 or #2 if there is still room.
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| 41 | JTSERB
ID: 49320214
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 20:39
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I would be interested in joining a league. Most likely AA since I have never been in RIFC
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| 42 | WiddleAvi
ID: 65101619
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 21:52
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I just posted in the other thread but might as well add it here. I have changed my mind and will NOT be playing fantasy football this year.
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 22:19
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With WiddleAvi withdrawing, Tree can now join a AAA league.
AAA waiting list is now as follows:
StlCards
wolfer
Those who have expressed interest who are not GuruPatrons may join a AA league. If someone volunteers to Commish one, we can start a signup.
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| 44 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 22:22
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trip post 36, what is the doubleheader format?
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| 45 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Thu, Jul 28, 2005, 22:24
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You play 2 teams each week, so that you play every team twice during the season. You can set different lineups for each game as well.
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| 46 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 09:29
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AAA #1 (3 remaining)
youngroman
Trip
loki
The Beezer
Promize
Pancho Villa
Valkyrie
Slowhand
Perm Dude
deepsnapper
bags
AAA #2 (1 remaining)
Holt
bmd
mjd
Peter N
mike v
toral
tb
fugazi
thk
wiggs
Hubble
Tree
culdeus
Qualified Managers Remaining (4)
RIFC - cEHp
QL#2 - Wildcats, dgrooves
QL#3 - pops
Gurupatron Waiting List - StlCards, Wolfer
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| 47 | mjd
Donor
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 20:15
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I saw the note seeking cEHp on the RIBC AA#3 thread and I'm in that league but I don't recognize that handle. (cEHp)
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| 48 | Trip
Sustainer
ID: 13961611
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 12:23
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Duh...cEHp is in my RIBC league. E-mail sent.
I have tried to contact dgrooves and Wildcats twice now.
Holt - Any luck with pops?
Guru - Can we set a deadline for these managers to checkin before we invite additional members?
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 13:32
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I have heard through the grapevine that cEHp is pondering whether he wants to participate. Hopefully we'll hear soon.
I'd suggest we give everyone until the end of the day Thursday to respond. On Friday, those on the waiting list can sign up.
By this point, I think we have made a good faith effort to notify all qualifiers.
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| 50 | holt
ID: 4373348
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 10:00
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no word from pops yet.
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| 51 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 10:19
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If the four qualifiers do not sign up by midnight, then we'll open it up tomorrow.
The GuruPatron waiting list currently has 2 names:
StlCards
wolfer
If we need additional names, this appears to be the waiting list, based on time of inquiry:
art for the hall
Da Bomb
dwfffan
Letter J
Greybear
JTSERB
I think I grabbed all of the names, but please correct me if I missed someone.
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| 52 | artforthehall
ID: 5573415
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 16:13
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great, i was looking for an update. I was in RQFL#1 last year. I played under artofmonk. I would like to get in if possible. I'll check back again later tonight or in the morning.
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| 53 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 14629268
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:12
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can you add me to the waiting list?
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| 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:19
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coldwater is a superdude GuruPatron, and should be added to the first list after wolfer.
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| 55 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:23
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Besides, he's a VIP and is not used to waiting in line....
:)
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| 56 | holt
ID: 670419
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:18
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AAA#2 is now full.
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| 57 | russelldl
ID: 63391814
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 09:51
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if there is enough interest will another AAA league open up?
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| 58 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:00
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You have to sign up for a AA league, russelldl. It's just like the RIBC qualifiers.
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:44
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There are 3 openings in AAA #1. They are are currently offered to StlCards, wolfer, and coldwater coyotes if they want them.
All we need to open up a AA league is a volunteer to serve as Commish.
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:23
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AAA leagues are now filled. All signup activity for AA leagues should take place in the AA signup thread. None of the previous indications of interest (listed above) in this thread are considered binding. If you want to join a AA league, you must sign up in that thread.
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| 61 | russelldl
ID: 63391814
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:22
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ok, that was my fault. I read this thread about a week ago. I realized I needed to join a AA league, and then when i came back to check up on it, I had forgotten that there was a level below AAA. My mistake. Thanks guys.
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| 62 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 15:55
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For 2006, I would expect to restrict the number of returning RIFC teams to at most 6 (with selection criteria to be determined).
From Guru's opening post.
I realize it's early to be sure about the configuration for 2006, but I'm trying to figure out what an RIFC manager needs to do to get invited back next year. If only the top 6 from RIFC make it back, then that means 2 playoff teams are demoted. If that is the case, Guru, how will you decide which 2 are relegated to AAA and which 2 are invited to RIFC 2006?
Obviously, it will be important to not only make the Playoffs, but at least win in round 1.
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| 63 | Guru
ID: 341036514
Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 16:17
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I'll probably invite back the top four playoff seeds, regardless of their playoff result. I would also extend an invite to the playoff winner.
Additional teams would be based on playoff seeding and playoff results. Winning one playoff game would not necessarily be enough. At this point, I don't want to commit to an exact formula, because there are a lot of variables, (not the least of which is where I finish).
For example, if teams seeded 1-5 seem to be significantly better (by W/L and/or points) than the teams seeded 6-8. I might be inclined to award the 5th seed an invite, even it it loses the first round and a several other lower seeds win their first round playoff game.
For planning purposes, you should probably consider seeds 1-4 to be safe, and seeds 5-8 to be on the bubble. The team seeded 5th would have an advantage, but could be nosed out based the closeness of the standings and playoff results.
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| 64 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 16:30
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OK, thanks for the insight.
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