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Subject: Disgruntal Cowboys fan
Posted by: wiggs
- [28249239] Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 14:29
I am very upset with the cowboys picking up TO. I am so upset by this I am considering switching teams. Any other Cowboys fan upset with this move? |
| 1 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 14:33
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The shame of it was that they cut Keyshawn. TO is way better than Keyshawn, but just dumping a guy like Keyshawn seems like a dumbass move to me.
TO will make that offense better. I don't give a crap what Mike Florio says.
TO rules. He's a prick and a whiner, but he's a premier WR.
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| 2 | wiggs
ID: 28249239
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 14:46
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I agree he is a quality WR, quite possibly the best in football, but he is such a pain.
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| 3 | Khahan
ID: 411211610
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 17:12
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Living in Philadelphia and NOT being an Eagles fan, I completely enjoyed this past season. Watching the havoc and chaos created by TO was simply priceless.
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 17:48
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We all know this was a high risk/high reward decision by the Cowboys. He is a playmaker that immediately changes the Cowboy's offense. If he can set aside his personal bs, I think Cowboy fans will be happy to have him. I think the Cowboys, with Parcels and Jones, are really one of a few teams that can keep TO's ego in check.
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| 5 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 17:49
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i look at it like this.
TO is a jerk. but he's a jerk you would love to have on your team, because he can flat out play.
this is a "Win now" move for TO, Bledsoe, and Parcells, because none of them are getting any younger.
additionally, i believe if there is any coach in the league that can get TO to shut his yap, it's Parcells. add to that fact that TO knows his opportunities are drying up, i think we'll see a mouthy, but well-behaved, Terrell this year.
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| 6 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 17:50
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I thought about boycotting while TO is on the team, but I decided instead to just hold my nose and deal with it like I did when they signed Deion.
I'm concerned what it says about me that with all the other guys they had running afoul of the law doing who knows what, the two guys I've liked the least are law-abiding, but are just jerks. I mean, would there have been much of an uproar if Dallas had signed Jamal Lewis? My priorities are out of whack...
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| 7 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 17:58
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As a Steeler fan, I am so happy that the franchise never entertains the high priced free-agent or the "trouble maker" that can be a cancer to a team. They recognize the importance of developing players and having the "team" concept. You can't argue with the results tho harder than using the Steinbrenner approach.
I am also a Vikings fan and I was very happy to see Moss go last year. 2005 had it's ups and downs on the field for that team and the "love boat" continued the controversy that surrounds this them but at least it was step up from the on the field chaos of past years that included unsportsmanlike acts, verbal abuse and taking plays off when he wanted to.
On the flip side, there are three teams I dislike (in no specific order): 1. Dallas 2. Oakland 3. Green Bay.
Oakland got Moss :)
Dallas got T.O :)
Who can we get into Green Bay or are they so far down right now that it doesn't matter?
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| 8 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 19:08
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TO will be fine initially, just like he was in Philly. He'll turn either when then start losing, he doesn't get the ball enough, he feels disrespected by someone, he doesn't like the starting time for meetings, he doesn't get his contract extended, ..........
Give it time wiggs....give it time.
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| 9 | Gary
ID: 31154261
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 00:44
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TB, first off don't think Jones will have anything to keep TO straight but Parcells will cut his ass as soon as trouble arises so with that in mind a good pickup on Cowgirls part.
Cutting Keyshawn was a bad move on the Cowgirls part in my honest opinion. Keyshawn would of made on hell of a partner opposite of TO. Keyshawn has grown up since his early years in the league unlike MR. TO.
G, as for the Packers picking up a trouble maker I don't see that happening. They have chemistry on the team and I don't see them risking that for one player.
Just remember Parcell's will not be in D for much longer so the TO thing could go south real fast after Parcells leaves D.
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| 10 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 00:47
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Jones is a hands-on owner. I don't think he would hesitate to get into TO's grill and tell him to play football or hit the road. Keyshawn is a bit of a headcase himself, so I can't really imagine having both of them on the same team.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 54245244
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 06:17
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the steelers have never had to sign troublemakers, because they've done just fine in developing their own...
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| 12 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 07:56
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I don't know if this intersts you Cowboys' fans, but:
Tom Orsborn, of the Express-News, reports the Dallas Cowboys are closer to completing a deal that would allow the team's training camp to the Alamodome starting in 2007 for five years. City councilman Chip Haass said, "We are hopefully only days away from having something that will have the Cowboys here for five years, and that's a serious long-term commitment when we talk in NFL terms."
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| 13 | G
ID: 329361323
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 08:42
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Gary,
I agree with you about the Packers. Even tho I don't care for them, I see them as an organization that knows what they are doing and like Pitt, they would never sign a K. Johnson, Moss, or T.O. type player.
Notice how hard Pitt worked to keep Plaxico Burress ;).
Every team will have a "trouble maker" develop from time to time. Some choose to keep them at contract time, some let them go (insert Pittsburgh here) and others sign them off the market (insert Dallas and Oakland here). I am glad to see when the Steelers have one develop, they have no problem cutting ties with them regardless of their skill or their depth at that position. Pitt was not deep at WR this last year after Burress departed but what justice for team to win the Super Bowl after he left :)
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 09:03
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Some choose to keep them at contract time, some let them go (insert Pittsburgh here) and others sign them off the market (insert Dallas and Oakland here). /
you need to get off your high horse, because you're on it about everything you believe in.
look at keyshawn and deion - two "trouble makers" Dallas signed, both of whom calmed down once they got to Big D. why? because Dallas is what championships are all about. players want to wear the star because they know it means championship gold.
on the other hand, superstars who want to win don't go to pittsburgh, because one title in 26 years does not endear one's self to the big one.
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| 15 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 09:14
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Damn tree, you beat me to it.
Nice rose-colored glasses, G-money. Maybe it's because your team is cheap or maybe it's because they can't lure players to play in such a depressing city. Not saying either is the case, but the biggest free agent I can remember them signing is Duce Staley (4 million signing bonus). My friend is Steeler fan, like you, and I got to listen to him whine about the Steelers never getting that "final piece" they needed to win a championship in his football-watching-lifetime, until last year. Unless you were born in the early 60's or earlier, I doubt you've sat around being proud of your team not signing good free agents and taking this moral high ground on character issues prior to this inane post of yours.
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| 16 | Myboyjack
ID: 27651610
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 11:19
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Has Joey Porter got all the shrapnel out of his a$$ yet.
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| 17 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 14:01
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Haters just read too much into everything...too bad...but funny stuff.
1. Players end up in places like Dallas and Oakland because Jones and Davis have the money and the ego to try to be like Steinbrenner in the NFL. Players go there for the $$, especially players these days.
2. Dallas can thank Herschel Walker and the MN Vikings for their most recent success. What did Dallas do with that? They used the draft to build a champion, not high priced, troubled free agents.
3. I don't wear glasses. Yes, the Steelers are cheap (just ask whining Bengals fans). I am surpised they still are in the league. You know all those fines they have racked up for unsportsmanlike penalties and front office violations. Oh well for some reason i still like them.
Did you know a very similar thing happen to Big Ben against SD? His knee buckled but fortuanley he did not have the same injury (although he did miss several games and had knee surgery) Did you hear folks calling the Chargers cheap? No its part of the game. Anyway...
Duce is probably the biggest free agent they have signed recently and he was a bust. That is why I prefer that they use there cap for their own players they like and build from the draft as they have generally done.
If your friend had to whine about the Steelers in the last decade, that is pretty sad. They have been one of the best teams year in and year out (with only a few off years) over the last decade. Yes they haven't won the big game each and every time but they have been beaten by some good teams (NE for example) and they have lost a few games they should have won.
Yes, i have always preffered this style. As a Vikings fan I watched in the past and found myself laughing out of dissapointment at some of the moves they make. It was nice to see them get it right last year with Moss and this year with Culpepper.
MBJ
Was Porter a trouble maker on and off the field? Yes, I know he got shot in Denver but I didn't know this made him a trouble maker. Perhaps I have forgotten, but what was his crime or "trouble" from that incident? What problems has he caused for the Pittsburgh organization.
Tree also says they "the steelers have never had to sign troublemakers, because they've done just fine in developing their own..."
That fits P. Burress as he had that label out of Mich St. and even tho they were very weak at receiver, I was SHOCKED to see them take a chance on him.
Who else?
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| 18 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 14:13
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49ers set to sign Larry Allen. Does he have much left in the tank, Cowboys fans???
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| 19 | Myboyjack
ID: 27651610
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 14:20
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Was Porter a trouble maker on and off the field?
You're kidding, right. Watch his act before the next game you go to. The shirt pulled up under his armpits, taunting the other team, starting fights and getting booted before games start; and that's not mentioning his interaction with opposing fans during the game.
If there's a list of world class NFL jackasses - he's at the top.
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| 20 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 14:31
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G- You have easily become the most annoying regular poster at this forum with statements like these:
Haters just read too much into everything...too bad...but funny stuff.
You preach one path, but always follow another. You are a hypocrite. Nobody was hating on the steelers. You came in here and started bashing on teams you dislike, taking the thread off topic. I won't reply to you again, ever. Start a new thread and title it, "I want attention" and then tell everyone how great the Steelers are. The friend that I was speaking of grew up with me, so I have been hearing him complain on and off for 25 years. I will go find more Steeler bad boys if you go find one post you made telling us how great the steelers were before this season. I will post my results in your newly made thread.
1. Players end up in places like Dallas and Oakland because Jones and Davis have the money and the ego to try to be like Steinbrenner in the NFL. Players go there for the $$, especially players these days.
Two words: Salary Cap
Every team has the same amount of money to spend. Sure, different owners have different philosophies on how to build their team. I will give the Steelers props for drafting a lot of their talent. I'm pretty sure you being a fan of them had nothing to do with this so try not to feel smug about it. Other owners try to win every year and often times that comes at the price of paying for today's talent versus building for the future.
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| 21 | C1-NRB
ID: 512412112
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 14:59
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Larry Allen hasn't been the same since the car crash a few years ago.
But a "not the same Larry Allen" is still one of the best linemen to play the game in the last decade.
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| 23 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 15:18
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MBJ,
Perhaps our opinions of "trouble makers" differs here. I personally don't care for his style on the field but as far as I know it is a disruption intended towards the other team and stays on the field.
IMO, a "trouble maker" (players like T.O., Moss, KJ, etc.) are disruptions to their own team by getting fined by their teams, taking plays off, disrespetcing fellow players and coaches. The team concept is gone and it is all about them.
Again, I know Porter is an instigator and thinks he uses that to get in the heads of other players to take them off their game but I am not aware of any issues where he cause his own team problems.
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| 24 | Bags @ work
ID: 222161316
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 17:28
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Species - Allen is still a good run blocker, straight ahead, don't expect him to be able to pull around the tackle for any type of running play.
The Cowboys let Allen go because with his roster bonus he was going to make $7 mil. If you are going to pay that much to a player he needs to be an elite OL. Larry Allen is not an elite player anymore. He is getting up in age and he has had injuries/weight issues in the past. If SF got him at a reduced rate he will be worth the cheeper price.
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| 25 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 17:29
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I know that the Raiders were interested in getting Larry Allen and made him an offer. The 49ers offered a better deal, though. I think we have some good linemen, but his experience, knowledge, and ability would have been a great addition to the team. I have to agree with C1-NRB, that even a declined Larry Allen is still better than many other players.
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| 26 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 17:31
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the point G, is that you come off as a pompous ass. in just about every thread you post in. from this thread to the crybaby "refs almost cost us the game" thread to most of your threads on God, you post with a holier than thou attitude.
and you're damned straight people look at the name of the poster and make a judgement. certain people, myself included, earn a reputation. you can't seperate the post from the poster once that rep has been earned, and you've worked overtime to earn yours.
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| 27 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 17:54
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Tree,
The point is you read a lot of negativity into a lot of stuff!! Other people could type the same stuff and you wouldn't blink but in my case, you take the written word and try to think you know me. You don't.
My concern with you and others like you (TB in this thread)is this. I type comments about topics. If you don't like my opinion about a TOPIC, you attack ME. That is where the hate comes in.
Fine, you hate my comments, your choice. Nobody in here has to attack fellow posters. Look back at any thread that we are both in and before it is over it always comes down to your name calling and degrading comments directed towards me. I said it before and I will say it again- help all of us and stop the hate.
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| 29 | Astade
Donor
ID: 214361313
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 18:06
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Re: post 22
That was actually my favorite post in this thread :)
It casts you in a very fair light
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| 30 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 18:10
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Tree, I am trying to figure out from your post 26 what you think your reputation is here.
I can't get it.
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| 31 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 18:12
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Post 22 is been doctored by someone with editing ability. Pretty sad someone with that access to the site would act like that. Too bad.
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| 32 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 18:21
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Fellow guru.com users,
As I mentioned above, my original post in #22 has been changed by someone with editing power. I have seen threads deleted by moderators but I did not know someone had the ability to go into someone else posts and add words to their post like it is from the original poster.
Who has this access?
Has this ever happened before?
What does this do to the legitimacy of post by others if they can be doctored by another user?
Just curious to hear thoughts of others.
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| 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 18:34
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G is correct. Post 22 was modified by someone (not me, but I know who it was). I will communicate with that person directly. Here was the original post by G:
TB,
Let's review your post shall we:
1)Nobody was hating on the steelers.
Agree, nobody said anyone was hating on the Steelers
2)You came in here and started bashing on teams you dislike, taking the thread off topic.
Hmm, wiggs says he is upset about the signing of T.O. to his team. I think my post 7 is very on topic thank you. So where does it start to drift? Oh around 14 and 15 when we stop talking sports and instead posters start hating on other posters.
3) I won't reply to you again, ever
I sure hope this its true. I have on several occasions asked Tree to skip my posts but he doesn't - see this thread. Perhaps you will. That would be nice.
Unfortunatley, you and one other person here look at the poster name to the left and automatically look for ways to read negativity into very simple and innocent comments. You also ignore the other comments that balance out my posts like for example the fact that as a Vikings fan also, I don't like how they have done stuff in the past.
Why is it such a concern for you that I said I am glad the Steelers don't consider these types of players and that as a fan I don't like Dallas, Oak or GB? Why do you get so upset about an simple sports opinion?
If you want to fight it doesn't matter what I type, you will can dissect the written word anyway you want to try to fight.
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| 34 | Bags @ work
ID: 512122
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 19:19
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It's T.O.! He's trying to tear us apart!
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| 35 | culdeus
ID: 481161220
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 19:32
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This thread cracks me up. G is the new MadJerryGunn I guess.
Look, TO in my eyes is a media created monster. He is easily baitable by leading questions put out by the media to trap him. He then hangs himself by the noose he sets out for himself in the aftermath/followup.
This guy sets up perfectly for the Skip Bayless/Jim Rhome empty shirt contingent to bash to the end of time. In the end the perception is much worse than the reality.
Furthermore in Dallas a large number of guys have come thru here with little or no trouble materializing. A short list:
Brett Hull
Jason Terry
Dennis Rodman
Deion Sanders
Nick Van Exel
Keyshawn Johnson
Jose Canseco
And many more...
The point is most athletes for some reason get here and then dissolve into a non-problem more or less. Yes, TO is on his "third chance", but so was Nick and he worked out fine.
Don't abandon the Cowboys GB. TO is temporary and in the end you root for the laundry, not the players.
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| 36 | C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 20:33
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Hooray star-studded, silver and blue laundry!
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| 37 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 28, 2006, 13:34
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now the boys pick up Vanderjerk- hes a great kicker, but he is an idiot. Just ask peyton manning.
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| 38 | culdeus
ID: 512562218
Sat, Apr 01, 2006, 20:39
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The thing is the Jerk was right about that. Manning IS worthless and the colts would be better off without him.
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| 39 | barilko6
ID: 4219277
Sat, Apr 01, 2006, 21:55
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At least Parcells can probably count on Vanderjagt to come in and kick TO's ass if he steps out of line...
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| 40 | Tree
ID: 548432310
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 00:04
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I am very upset with the cowboys picking up TO. I am so upset by this I am considering switching teams. Any other Cowboys fan upset with this move?
Wiggs - still feel this way? ;o)
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| 41 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 00:06
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He became a fan of Oakland, didn't work out to well. :'P
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| 42 | wiggs
ID: 6825712
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 08:54
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I have actually been pleasantly surprised with TO and his actions since joining the Cowboys. If he keeps this up I will have to eat my words.
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