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Subject: Non-snake draft
Posted by: Scottus
- [52715712] Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 13:22
I have a question. I am new to keeper leagues, and this upcoming draft is the first year that our keepers come into play. Draft order is reverse of the final standings from last year, and we get to keep up to 2 players, with the cost of the keeper being the round before he was drafted the previous year (the exception is first rounders still cost a first round pick, but a first rounder and second rounder cannot be kept because the cost would be 2 first round picks). The commish has decided to make this years draft a non-snake draft. is this common? It seems this would be very unbalanced aqgainst the teams that finished well the year before. Maybe that's the point. |
| 1 | JackHammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 13:37
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If last year's draft was a snake, A change as drastic as that should be voted in by a majority of the league. I can't remember ever being involved in a traditional draft that doesn't snake. I'd be very surprised if the top finishers are gonna go for that without raising hell
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| 2 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 13:48
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Yes it is common. Keeper leagues almost always go in reverse order as the final standings.
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| 3 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 14:02
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All of my Keeper Leagues start with a snake draft and then go to a draft that is reverse of order of the following years finish for each follow-on season.
Cliff
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| 4 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 08:59
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ditto, as Goatlocker.
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| 5 | J
Leader
ID: 10171012
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 09:17
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I don't really understand why you wouldn't reward the 1st place team more. (In general, not just in this example)
I would think, first two rounds snake (last place can get 1st pick). Starting with the 3rd round, the 1st place team picks first in every round.
Thats my proposal...
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| 6 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 09:20
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I think it's fine to not snake in a keeper like you've described. It helps to keep teams with poor keeper options in the game.
Of course, I would probably have wanted everyone to know about that before the league got started. The least you guys can do is have a vote on it and try to come to a compromise in case there is any vehement opposition.
Just remember, though, someone could have taken Alexander in the first round last year, and Larry Johnson in round 5 or 6, and now get to keep both. It is fair for that guy to be picking 10th or 12th every round, in my opinion, as his team will be fine no matter what. Non-snaking drafts in keeper leagues are fine.
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| 7 | Scottus
ID: 52715712
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 14:45
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In the league we are all new at keepers, so we are learning as we go. I don't mind that the draft is non-snake, it just seemed to me that it would drastically favor the bad teams. Do you find that the non-snake favors the teams that pick early, or does it merely balance things out against the teams with the good keepers?
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| 8 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 15:47
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Well, look at it this way: the bad teams (who pick first overall or early on) also have to go 11 picks between each of their selections.
If you are 12th, then you pick right before the worst team in every "choice" (round) except the first one, and you get a couple of good keepers.
In the league I play in that doesn't snake, the worst teams usually belong to less active managers. The teams picking at the end of each round are usually the better teams because of their efforts during the season, not necessarily because of a killer draft. Surprise, surprise!
More active managers always have a slight edge. Luck is nice, too, but there's nothing you can do to get luckier.
I find that non-snaking drafts are fine for keeper leagues. I am not so sure they'd be great in a redraft league.
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| 9 | rooter
ID: 46701410
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 11:00
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Speaking of strange drafts...
I\\\'m in a league that uses the following draft order:
Round 1: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,
Round 2: 12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1
Round 3: 7,6,5,4,3,2,1,12,11,10,9,8
Round 4: 8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Rounds 5, 9, and 13 will be same as Round 1
Rounds 6,10, and 14 will be same as Round 2
Rounds 7,11, and 15 will be same as Round 3
Rounds 8,12, and 16 will be same as Round 4
Does any draft position seem stronger than any others? Our draft raffle isn\\\'t for position, but the order in which you choose which position to draft from.
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| 10 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:59
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Well, that's taking things in a new direction.
I'll go on record as saying that the draft is not that significant in the grand scheme of things.
I don't see any positions with a clear advantage in that draft sequence, rooter.
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| 11 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 21:49
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Hmm. Well something interesting happened in my non-snaking keeper draft tonight, and I wanted to throw it out there and solicit a few opinions. This is the one where you can keep up to 3 and for each keeper, you lose a pick in round 1 through 3. We haven't drafted yet. A trade was announced tonight and the parameters are below.
Team A is keeping Palmer, J. Jones, McAllister, and drafts 6th in every round. Team B is keeping Shaun Alexander, Edge, and Fitzgerald, and he drafts in the 11th spot in every round. Remember, no snaking.
The trade as it was announced tonight:
Team A gets:
Edge and the 11th draft position for rounds 4-17
Team B gets:
Palmer and the 6th draft position for rounds 4-17
17 round draft, 12 teams, all pertinent information is listed, I believe. Typical scoring system for yardage and TD's. Team Defenses, etc.
At first glance I thought, "What the hell. No big deal. It's a first for a 4th rounder and a bunch of draft places."
But then I began to realize: Team B will move up 5 spots in every round he drafts in. That's a huge value, and I don't know if it's worth an Edgerrin James to Carson Palmer move. I'm inclined to say that the change in draft position is radical enough cumulatively to seriously unbalance this trade as it is proposed.
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| 12 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 22:14
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3 keepers is a fairly low keeper number. I have no problem with a serpentine draft in that format. Or having it be a straight draft for the first two-three rounds and then flip to serpentine. I think team A must have had a crappy roster to use a spot on Deuce. I have no issue with the trade, btw.
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| 13 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 22:19
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OK, well I was really looking for insight on the trade.
The guy getting the bump up in draft position was the runner up in `05, and I just look at how good his teams are year in and year out and I think he doesn't need any help.
Of course I'm biased since I'm always competing with him.
The guy who's got Deuce actually traded Marvin Harrison for him earlier this week. Weird trade, but also not one to vote against. The guy getting Deuce certainly is trying hard, but I wonder if all of these moves won't be in vain for him. Incidentally, he also had Kevin Jones but elected to throw him back into the pool.
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| 14 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 22:28
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Wierd trades for sure. With only three keepers (and without knowing the rest of his roster), I think I keep K. Jones, J. Jones, and Harrison and stick with drafting 6th.
I do think Edge is a better keeper than Palmer when you are only allowed three keepers so I do think the trade is okay. He shouldn't have done it for all 17 rounds, but obviously you have a mixed league of knowledgeable guys and not-so-knowledgeable guys.
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| 15 | Chuck
ID: 245512811
Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 12:51
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Rooter - I know I am a few years late but #7 pick in that style has the advantage since it gets middle pick in the 1st, earlier middle in the 2nd and FIRST pick in the 3rd round which is about where the rest of the top WR's start to go. I am trying to find more info about this draft style but can't find any sites that define it or discuss strategy. The style is MUCH more fair than a standard snake where #1 pick has a clear advantage over everyone else in the league.
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| 16 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 02:17
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I was thinking 7 would be the best spot as well. 6 years...
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