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Subject: Bush could lose Heisman
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, Sep 14, 2006, 22:56
From Rotoworld:
ESPN reports Reggie Bush received over $100,000 in gifts during his stay at the University of Southern California.
ESPN sources Yahoo in its report. Bush's NFL eligibility shouldn't be affected, though it might cost him his Heisman trophy. He's still a great RB2 start in PPR leagues against Green Bay. |
| 1 | Kyle
ID: 52753312
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 00:29
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I am sorry. I had to laugh at the last part of this post. I love the fantasy insight on a illegal gifts story.
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| 2 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 08:33
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Wait a second! You mean to tell me that big time college football programs allow their players to receive gifts even though it's against the rules?!
;)
I know it's against the rules and I agree that it should be punished, but I love how when these stories break they make it sound as if it's never happened before and it should be surprising.
My guess? They'll "find out" that he only received the gifts in his Freshman and/or Sophomore years, which means he'll keep his Heisman (Senior year) and USC will keep their BCS title (Junior year). They'll have Bush pay restitution and USC will voluntarily give up some scholarships and that'll be that.
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| 3 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 08:59
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Wow! I hadn't even read the Yahoo article yet. Check it out!. They even went so far as to create a nice black background and special header graphics and everything! This is SERIOUS, people! To prove it, Yahoo had 7 articles written on Bush (right side of the page) just yesterday!
What has NCAA football come to when we can't look up to our heros and Heisman Trophy winners anymore? Where have all the Maurice Clarett's and Lawrence Phillips' gone?
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Okay, I'll end the sarcasm for now. ;)
But I do recall walking the streets of Auburn "back in the day" and seeing otherwise broke football players driving around in tricked out Escalades. Walk around the campus of any major NCAA football team and it's pretty clear who gets taken care of.
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| 4 | sarge33rd
ID: 257222410
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 10:28
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Where have all the Maurice Clarett's and Lawrence Phillips' gone?
Just a guess...but I'd say...to jail? :)
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| 5 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 11:31
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i dont think USC would lose there national title even if he did recieve illegal gifts i think the same thing happened to alabama when they won the title a few years back and they had to forfeit several of there games that season but got to keep the national title.
i hope USC gets in trouble for this and hope one day the pac ten will be a better conference than the sun belt.
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| 6 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 14:58
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I remember when I lost my Heisman... Ahhh, the good old day.
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| 7 | sarge33rd
ID: 257222410
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 15:01
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MC...I thought that was spelled Heinikken. ;)
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| 8 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 15:58
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Stewart Mandel: Tainted Legacy
What makes the Yahoo! article so damning is the extent of the documented evidence the Web site says it has obtained. For instance, in March 2005 Bush allegedly signed a $623.63 bill to the credit card of wannabe marketer Michael Michaels for a stay at the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas. Michaels himself signed another document authorizing the hotel to accept the charges. Based on NCAA case history, this transgression alone would be enough to render Bush ineligible last season if NCAA investigators obtain the same documents.
Gosh, Bush, Michaels, and Ornstein sure flaunted the rules. I realize Reggie Bush could have been persuaded that what was going on was no big deal, but he had to have known it was wrong. You aren't going to tell me that a nationally powerful program like USC didn't have those compliance briefings each season in August and probably even more often than that. Everyone knows you can accept virtually nothing of value for free from anyone if you are a college athlete.
I hate to say that Bush f'd up here, because he seems like a great guy who is into philanthropy. But he f'd up in a big way.
Mandel: But Bush is a bright kid. He had to know exactly what he was doing when he signed that hotel bill. Surely he knew how his family was able to ride in a limo.
These sorts of judgmental errors ought to expose Bush to punishment. I think he should be stripped of the Heisman. As wrong as that may seem, there's no other way to punish him now. And I'm sure the rules of the award make it clear that you must be an eligible NCAA athlete. We'll soon find out he was not. He cheated. It's plain and simple.
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| 9 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 18:28
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MC,
Now ya went an done it.
I've tried real hard to stay away from posting in this thread.
Once a Gang Banger, Always a Gang Banger.
Just a problem I have with calling a Gang Banger a great guy just because he is into philanthropy.
Just my opinion.
The last I saw out of San Diego had been that the DA is still looking at pressing charges against him.
Cliff
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| 10 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Sep 15, 2006, 19:11
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LOL - I knew you couldn't resist Cliff!
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| 11 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Sep 16, 2006, 20:24
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This has been in the local news here. You have someone who really could use some help and you have to ask the NCAA for a waiver just to feed a kid brother and get him a ride to school. [NCAA has given a waiver]
Clemson's McElrathbey raises young brother - 5 SEP 06
The alarm sounds at 6:15 a.m. and Clemson freshman Ray Ray McElrathbey starts a routine like few others in college football. ........ McElrathbey, 19, has temporary custody of his brother because of his mother's continuing drug problems and his father's gambling addiction. The two brothers have shared experiences in foster homes and now share an apartment by the campus. ....... [Ray Ray] McElrathbey used sports to keep himself out of trouble, often living with coaches or other mentors who kept him in school and focused on the future.
While many in the athletic department have asked to help the McElrathbeys, Clemson must be careful the help is not seen as extra benefits in violation of NCAA rules. Clemson and the ACC have worked on a waiver request to the NCAA, athletic spokesman Tim Bourret said.
Koenning [defensive coord] doesn't understand why his wife or other members of Clemson's coaching family can't assist with a trip to the grocery store or school. "I can take two boxes of toys out of my basement and give them to Goodwill, but I can't give them to Ray Ray?"
The NCAA says it's working with Clemson and the ACC on the best solution to assist the McElrathbeys. While the rules prohibit most benefits beyond what comes with the scholarship, "individual circumstances can and are taken into consideration in unusual situations," the NCAA said in a statement.
McElrathbey to be person of week on ABC World News Tonight 15 SEP 06
He was granted a waiver by the NCAA on Monday, September 11 and will be able to receive assistance in getting transportation for his brother to and from school. A trust fund will also be set up through a local bank that will benefit is brother in his daily basic needs. Details of the trust fund and how people can contribute will be known next week. The original story in the Charleston Post Courier on August 19 has led to an article in USA Today and Sports Illustrated had an item in Scorecard last week.
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| 12 | Gary
ID: 55492216
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 11:09
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Hello all, great post. Steve Houpt great entry, I agree that it is kind of a crock when you got to goto great legths to take care of a sibling because of family situations.
But it does go to show that the NCAA does make exceptions and that it can be done if gone through the proper channels.
This was a great story and ESPN did a great job bringing this to everyone's attention.
Now back to the subject of Mr. Bush. He is innocent until proven guilty and with that said I want to say if he is found guilty then his Hiesman should be stripped from him as punishment.
But he hasn't been found guilty of anything as of yet. Also remember people can change, he might of been a gang banger in the past but he is doing his part to make good now and we should praise him for his efforts in NO. Now does that make what he did in the past, the past, and right? No but if he has paid for his past transgressions then he should not have to pay for them again. If he hasn't paid for past transgressions then we should look at him now and compare him to who he was in the past. Then punish him for his past transgressions but maybe to a lesser extent due to the good he is doing now. So if jail is the punishment then maybe change it to probation.
Good deeds should not overshadow what one might of done in the past but the good deeds should hold some type of merit or sway over bad.
It maybe that I am thinking mathmatically here saying such things but in life I think it should hold true too. if you give one apple to someone today but three days ago you took a apple from someone giving the one apple in some sort of way should make up for taking the one apple.
Stealing is wrong but also giving or sharing is right and should also hold some type of affect.
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| 13 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jan 25, 2007, 12:40
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Apparently there are taped conversations which shows Bush accepted illegal gifts while at USC. The team could be sanctioned for the last two years he was there if proven and he would then likely forfeit the Heisman. Story
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| 14 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Feb 09, 2007, 09:40
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USC in trouble over recruitment of McKnight because of Bush?
The Story
I love this...
During the Wednesday news conference, McKnight said Carroll set up a conference call so he and [McKnight's high school coach J.T.] Curtis could talk to Bush and ease concerns USC might face sanctions.
Then...
[J.T. Curtis] also said McKnight told him "Coach Carroll was talking to Reggie on the speakerphone and [McKnight] was able to listen and hear Reggie Bush's side of the story," the newspaper reported.
But, wait!...
After being informed of Carroll's denial Thursday night, Curtis called McKnight and later said the recruit never heard Bush on a speakerphone.
So, we go from McKnight saying he talked with Bush on a conference call to Curtis, the coach, saying that McKnight simply listened in as Carroll and Bush talked (which still sounds like a violation or at least a "skating on thin ice" way around a violation) to Curtis saying it all never happened and that McKnight was just overwhelmed by all the attention.
Sounds to me like the coach is the one getting overwhelmed by all the attention and can't get his story straight.
Personally, I think it happened just like McKnight said the first time because I'm sure it happens all the time.
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