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Subject: Gurupie 24 2006 Regular Season Discussion II
Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 15:51
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It has always bothered me that there were some eroneous doubling of team scores in week 2 of our first year. Twarpy made a SS after year three to make things sortable but there was a flaw with the formula for some of the sorts. Still we were able to figure out every game score of every week. I've wanted to figure out overall franchise records for a long time but I knew it would be a time killer since I'd have to go through twarpy's list and compare it to the first year and figure out once and for all which teams doubling changed them from a win to a loss and so forth. (What may have happened was that when rfs went in to make adjustments he accidently put what the score should be instead of deducting. We fixed it but after the season it got messed up again. I can't remember exactly what went wrong as CBS assisted him in fixing it.)
Anyhow, using the weekly matchups and comparing it to the stadings, I figured out there were 4 games that were changed eroneously.
These teams were given wins that should have been losses: Bears, Bengals, Chargers and Jaguars. These teams were credited with losses that should have been wins: Colts, 49ers, Giants and Cardinals.
I have now made a ss up and I will put it on the G20/24 football web site we have. I have all the records through last year. While I could have easily added this year in too, I didn't wnat to have to update it every week. We can add some records based on this in the record books and I could just add that in on there. I'll post the chart in here as well. |
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| 104 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 09:56
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I'm looking for a solid Flex player for a 3rd round draft pick. Only 8 keepers next year, so might as well upgrade your draft position for that older non-keeper. Other ideas welcome. Basically I'm looking to upgrade over Lloyd and/or Barlow.
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| 105 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 13:00
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This year has been the least amount of input and dialogue ever for this league.
I have had three teams inquire about Tiki. He could be the rare example of an expensive rental that could tilt the balance for a team to win it all. None have made a formal offer but after the loss this week and more injuries, I am pretty much toast this year.
I need a RB for next year and possibly a QB. I'd also consider upgrading one of my current keepers. I've been asked about a first rounder and may consider that in addition to a player to make it work, but it will be like a 2nd rounder if the team wins it all.
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| 106 | Myboyjack
ID: 27651610
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 13:19
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Tiki sure would look good on my team....
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| 107 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 13:44
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If anyone's looking to next year and interested in Charlie Frye, Jamal Lewis, Randy Moss, maybe Matt Jones, heck even Donovan McNabb if the price is right, I'd be wanting to do a 2-fer or 3-fer upgrade (hugely for D. McNabb) at RB or WR. Not necessarily just looking for this year - hoping to improve on my 8 keepers for next year too.
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| 108 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:52
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I'm not a good promoter like Species is, but if you don't get Tiki, not only will it not help you, but whoever does get him will hurt your playoff chances or title shot.
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| 109 | Perm Dude
ID: 141053613
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 16:15
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Clearly you're not Species, ref. You forgot to throw in references to obscure foreign players who aren't (yet) even draftable.
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| 110 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 16:52
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You mean like Kinoshita Noriaki ?
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| 111 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 20:10
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One idea that we discussed about this time last year but never implemented was the notion of every team dropping their lowest score in pick 'ems. The reason for this is, if you mess up a single week and forget to submit your pickems (or to click "submit" after picking them)... then boom, you're basically out of the running. You'll notice that some teams will pick consistently the first 2-4 weeks of the season then have all zeros... I speculate this is no small part that after the first zero, what's the point? Whereas if you could drop the zero, then you'd at least still have a shot.
For example, here is the current point tally (not including this weeks games) followed by what the point tally would be if everyone dropped their lowest game (I've omitted teams with two or more zeros so far this season)...
Current
71 Green Bay Packers
68 Indianapolis Colts
68 New York Jets
65 Jacksonville Jaguars
65 San Francisco 49ers
63 New Orleans Saints
62 Baltimore Ravens
58 Cincinnati Bengals
57 Seattle Seahawks
56 Oakland Raiders
52 Philadelphia Eagles
With Drop-1-Game
64 Green Bay Packers
63 Indianapolis Colts
62 New York Jets
60 Jacksonville Jaguars
59 San Francisco 49ers
57 New Orleans Saints
57 Baltimore Ravens
57 Seattle Seahawks
56 Oakland Raiders
55 Cincinnati Bengals
48 Philadelphia Eagles
As you can see, the ordinal team rankings don't change much... but the spread tightens considerably. I think this keeps the game a lot more interesting for a lot more teams... I've been submitting pick'ems since my "zero" week sort of out of a sense of duty, but I can't say I really enjoy it since I know I'm out of the race completely. Even with Drop-1-Game I wouldn't be doing so hot, but making up 8 points at least seems doable... whereas 15 points is laughable.
I realize it may be too late to implement this change for this year, but rather than let it slip again and find ourselves in the same situation AGAIN next year, I'd like to propse we vote on it now for implementation next year... that is, unless Green Bay really wants to sacrifice their current lead! ;)
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| 112 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 22:07
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Ditto what Doug said.
When I missed the one week while on vacation I just quit from there.
And, I did have a chance until then.
Cliff
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| 113 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 22:28
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Yep - forgot about it one week and figured why bother. Of course, there's no guarantee I wouldn't forget a second week...
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| 114 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 22:47
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Yet when we broached the subject preseason, we didn't get people to back it. I wanted this implemented as well. But we can't call for a vote over every single proposal. There has to be some people that say yeah, that's a good idea, I'll back it. I honestly didn't think it had a prayer based on the lack of support it garnished.
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| 115 | Perm Dude
ID: 141053613
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 22:54
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Well, by now I think there are enough people concentrating on it to make the proposal worthwhile. In the preseason I'm guessing more people are doing draft research than pick 'ems rule changes.
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| 116 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 23:25
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Actually I was planning on implementing that next year without calling for a vote. Just seems to make sense. The other option seems to be to not do it at all. I don't really think a vote is necessary for something like this, but if there are objections, then please send them to me and we'll consider a vote on it.
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| 117 | THK
ID: 42917269
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 23:45
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.04? Are you kidding me? I hate this game.
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| 118 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 23:56
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Someday you'll be on the winning end of a close call. Unfortunately, I have no idea when that day will be.
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| 119 | Peter N.
ID: 581018320
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 02:52
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CC - offer is on the table for you. Let me know what you think when you get a chance.
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| 120 | TB
ID: 448553012
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 19:10
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THK, that is rough. I don't know if losing by .04 or losing by 50 is worse. I was looking at the playoff rules and noticed the historical records. That score will go into the league record books as the 2nd smallest margin of victory ever.
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| 121 | THK
ID: 42917269
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 19:33
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It would not hurt near as bad if my team preformed the first few weeks. Falling back to 4-5 hurts badly though, especially when I came into the season thinking Super Bowl possibilities. CJ hasn't really helped me out too much...
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| 122 | TB
ID: 448553012
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 19:46
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I was looking at your roster (Palmer, Barber, Jones, CJ, Steve Smith, etc.) and in a league this large that is a very good team. You could go on a tear and score 100+ points a week from here on out. It sucks that Chad is having an off year.
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| 123 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 09:20
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I approved a trade yesterday between Coldwater Coyotes' Broncos and Pete's Cowboys which sent Brunell and a 3rd round pick to the Cowboys for Antwaan Randle El and Pete's 2nd round pick.
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| 124 | Great One
ID: 539581613
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 10:04
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Anyone interested in Anthony Thomas for a playoff push for the next few weeks let me know. I would move him for a draft pick or perhaps combined with Chambers to upgrade my #1 WR slot some or possibly turn him into a low end starting RB.
Rotowire says 2-4 weeks on McGahee. And don't forget this week... The Bills' opponent, Indianapolis, allows the most rushing yards per game in the NFL (165.4).
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| 125 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 19:22
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as if my season couldn't get any worse...:)
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| 126 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 20:27
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Not sure how many people enjoy this or even look at it, but here it is again--at least for this week.
Updated Records
Most Wins Overall (thru 06 wk 9)
1. 52 Ref's Colts
2. 48 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 45 Peter's Cowboys
4. 42 bj21's Rams
5. 40 CCR's Bears
5. 40 mbj's Bengals
Most Losses Overall (thru 06 wk 9)
1. 45 PD's Browns
2. 43 GL's Chargers
2. 43 SJ's Packers
4. 41 Toral's Saints
5. 40 Yokel's Jaguars
5. 40 sw's Chiefs
Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Season:
1. 6 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
2. 4 Ref's Colts (02)
3. 3 TB's Ravens (06)
3. 3 Ref's Colts (04)
3. 3 Peter N's Cowboys (04)
3. 3 Ref's Colts (03)
3. 3 AF's Falcons (03)
3. 3 mbj's Bengals (02)
Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Overall:
1. 11 Ref's Colts
2. 9 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 7 TB's Ravens
4. 6 Peter N's Cowboys
5. 5 Twarpy's Giants
Smallest Margin of Victory:
1. .02 PG's Chiefs over Coyotes' Broncos (03 Wk 8)
2. .04 Coyotes' Broncos over thk's Vikings (06 Wk 9)
3 . 06 thk's Vikings over Promize's Seahawks (05 Wk 3)
3. .06 Promize's Seahawks over StL Cards' 49ers (04 Wk 1)
5. .08 AP10's Ravens over Ref's Colts (02 Wk 7)
Most times to score 100 points/Overall:
1. 16 Ref's Colts
2. 9 BJ21's Rams
2. 9 StL Cards' 49ers
2. 9 CCR's Bears
5. 8 CT's Cardinals
5. 8 TB's Ravens
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| 127 | THK
ID: 42917269
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 16:28
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Ref-
I like it and appreciate the record keeping...
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| 128 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 10:11
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New trade approved:
New York Jets
·Thomas, Anthony RB BUF
San Francisco 49ers
For
·49ers, DST DST SF
Offer: GO's Jets acquire 2nd Round pick in exchange for 49er's 5th.
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| 129 | Great One
ID: 539581613
Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 11:30
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Anyone with interest in Jerry Porter - or possibly Aaron Rodgers (perhaps you have an older QB, Rodgers seems like a great keeper candidate)... I would like to pair either one up to upgrade either my Houston D or SF Defense.
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| 130 | Great One
ID: 539581613
Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 11:37
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Also, in the draft pick notes, I believe this one is worded wrong as I traded the Dolphins D for the 2nd rounder.
10-26 TB's Ravens receive GO's Jets 2nd round pick (Smith/Dolphins DST)
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| 131 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 11:48
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Thanks GO. Think it's fixed now. Pretty expensive trade to get a RB for a couple weeks, but if he beats bj21 because of it, it was worth it. Could be more than a couple weeks as a bonus.
I fixed the Colston issue by dropping him off sw's roster and adding him back.
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| 132 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 12:03
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That trade makes Tiki's value worth even more. ;)
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| 133 | Doug
ID: 31655290
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 02:59
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Dunno if anyone cares but me (just for amusement's sake), but here's pick-em's results under "next year's" system.
With Drop-1-Game
72 Green Bay Packers
72 Indianapolis Colts
68 New York Jets
67 Jacksonville Jaguars
65 San Francisco 49ers
64 New Orleans Saints
64 Baltimore Ravens
62 Oakland Raiders
61 Seattle Seahawks
60 Cincinnati Bengals
54 Philadelphia Eagles
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| 134 | Perm Dude
ID: 1110231210
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 12:47
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Sportsline down. Nice timing.
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| 135 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 14:36
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It was down for a minute but came right back.
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| 136 | Doug
ID: 31655290
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 15:33
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Hey THK, looks like ocho-cinco is having an ok week for ya this time. ;-)
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| 137 | Doug
ID: 31655290
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 15:38
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...which tends to mean the same for Palmer. ;-)
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| 139 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 11:08
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No the deadline is on that Thursday, the day of the first game of week 13, before the freeze.
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| 141 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 11:25
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OK, that is what I thought it should be, but the wording didn't seem clear. It is basically allowing trades on Thursday since it is a night game.
So correction, the trade deadline is Novemeber 29th, but trades will be allowed up to the start of the game on Thursday November 30th IF a commish is around to approve it prior to the start of the game. ie. no retro active moves to accomodate a late trade if no commish is around.
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| 142 | blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 11:54
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Nice win this weekend StL - here's to a good stretch run.
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| 143 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 12:00
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Thanks BJ21, I wanted that one badly :)
I would like it better if it showed me ahead of you in the standings though ;)
Good luck to you down the stretch also as we need another winner from the South Division!
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| 144 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 13:32
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Adjustments have been made.
I had a deal via email that I accepted last week for Tiki, but after further review, the other team decided to hold off for a couple more weeks. So having the league's leading rusher on my squad for another week was the difference in winning or losing this week. I had several deals for Betts for starting WRs. While those offers were certainly fair, I gambled and decided to decline those in the hopes that Portis got hurt. Betts is a big scoring threat when he's the starting RB. Now I suddenly find myself with Tiki and Betts. And the Colts' decision to split the RB backfield with Rhodes and Addai, suddenly Rhodes is going to get 7-10 points again even w/o a TD.
Now if I can get Berrian and Gonzo and the Cincy D healthy, my team might be able to compete again. Might be too little too late as I'm way behind in points, but we shall see. It's not surprising that my email box is blowing up this morning for Betts, but the offers aren't even close. If I truly feel I have no chance to make the playoffs based on record or moreover the tiebreaker, then I'll once again consider moving them then--unless I get an offer I can't refuse in the meantime. Since Betts is not only likely to the RB for the rest of the year but may be a #1 RB next year with some team, obviously his value has skyrocketed.
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| 145 | Peter N.
ID: 581018320
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 13:54
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Well, my team has officially hit the sh!tter with the benching of Brunell and Portis out for the year with a broken hand.
If anyone has a QB they'd be willing to spare for a 3rd rounder, send me an offer. I'm not going to go any higher than that and am not going to trade a keeper player either. My only alternative is to hope Leftwich gets his job back and while that doesnt look promising, its still better than me overpaying again for a QB just to have him benched.
Good luck to bj21 and cards! Represent the South fellas. Wish I could be up there too, but this just wasnt my year.
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| 146 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 15:41
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Updated Records:
Most Wins Overall (thru 06 wk 9)
1. 53 Ref's Colts
2. 49 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 45 Peter's Cowboys
4. 42 bj21's Rams
5. 41 CCR's Bears
Most Losses Overall (thru 06 wk 9)
1. 46 PD's Browns
2. 44 GL's Chargers
3. 43 SJ's Packers
4. 41 Toral's Saints
4. 41 Yokel's Jaguars
4. 41 sw's Chiefs
Most points Scored Week:
1. 149.80 Ref's Colts (04 Wk 8)
2. 140.82 AF's Falcons (06 Wk 4)
3. 140.77 Baldwin's Rams (03 Wk 14)
4. 140.31 Coyotes' Broncos (04 Wk 13)
5. 138.15 thk's Vikings (06 Wk 10)
Most times to score 100 points/Overall:
1. 16 Ref's Colts
2. 10 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 9 BJ21's Rams
3. 9 CCR's Bears
5. 8 CT's Cardinals
5. 8 TB's Ravens
I'll have the franchise standings updated on the G20/24 website shortly.
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| 147 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 14:57
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Current playoff look:
AFC
#1 broncos 8-2 808.4 #1 West
#2 bengals 8-2 747.2 #1 East
#3 texans 8-2 717
#4 ravens 6-4 770.6
In the hunt: colts 6-4 661.7, raiders 5-5 752, bills 5-5 694.4
Longshot: jets 5-5 610.8
NFC
#1 bears 8-2 728.6 #1 North
#2 rams 7-3 780.5 #1 South
#3 49ers 7-3 750.9
#4 falcons 5-5 767.3
In the Hunt: vikings 5-5 749.8, cardinals 5-5 724.8, eagles 5-5 631.4
Longshot: saints 4-6 642.3
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| 148 | Great One
ID: 539581613
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 16:05
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Jets in the playoff hunt!!! whohoo!!! lol...
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| 149 | Great One
ID: 539581613
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 16:08
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Strange how fantasy is imitating reality with the Jets and.. the Jets. Seen as a bottom feeder, no expectations, new coaching staff, lottery pick (I think we both even had the #3 pick, right?) and borderline in the playoff hunt right now.
Who would have thunk it?!?!
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| 150 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 18:49
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So McNabb and Buckhalter have been given credit for a 55yd TD Pass after a scoring change. Did this impact anyone?
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| 151 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 18:56
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CBS is not showing that--though only McNabb was in the starting lineup and it would not change the outcome if it is added.
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| 152 | StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 00:37
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Do you have a link for that scoring change? I don't see anything about it on cbs or yahoo or anywhere I've looked so far. Last I heard was they ruled it was a fumble returned for a TD.
Are they now saying it was a deflected pass? Did they change the rule that the ball had to be touched by a defensive player first before another offensive player could catch it?
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| 153 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 11:16
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From CBS:
Occasionally the NFL will make an official scoring change a day or more after games are played. If we receive their scoring change by the end of the day on Tuesday, we will update the site (anything we receive after that will not be included).
In Football Commissioner leagues, the commissioner can include scoring changes that are made on Wednesday or later by using the “Adjust Scoring” feature at the bottom of the Scoreboard/GameCenter page. For commissioners that wish to adjust the scoring to include the NFL’s change on Wednesday for the Eagles/Redskins game, the official information is as follows:
The Elias Sports Bureau reviewed film of the Redskins-Eagles game and changed the ruling on a TD by Correll Buckhalter from a 37 yard Offensive Fumble Recovery TD (off of a reception and fumble by Reggie Brown) to a 55 yard passing TD from Donovan McNabb. The following stats have changed as a result:
• Donovan McNabb: from 222 passing yards to 257 passing yards.
• Donovan McNabb: from 1 passing TD to 2 passing TDs.
• Correll Buckhalter: from 1 own fumble recovery for 37 yards and a TD to 0 fumble recoveries.
• Correll Buckhalter: from 0 receptions to 1 reception for 55 yards and a TD.
* Reggie Brown: from 2 receptions for 38 yards to 1 reception for 18 yards
So I manually deducted 2 points from AZ Cardinals for Brown and added 5.4 points to StL Rams team for McNabb. Buckhalter was not in the starting lineup. No outcomes were affected.
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| 154 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 16:00
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Response (Commish Roger) 11/16/2006 02:38 PM
Randell Williams position will be updated tonight to show him as a TE. If he is already on a roster you will need to drop the player and then add them back (do this tomorrow after players’ position has been updated.)
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| 155 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 09:50
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Time for a new thread.
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