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0 Subject: Rules Question

Posted by: StLCards
- Leader [31010716] Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 11:40

The official scoring changed a completion from McNabb to Brown and a fumble to Buckhalter for a TD, to a completed pass to Buckhalter for a TD.

My question concerns the rules for completed passes. I thought the rule was that a receiver could not catch a ball deflected by an offensive player unless a defensive player touched it first. Was that rule changed or am I just confused on that as a rule?
1Perm Dude
      ID: 41026169
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 11:46
I think you are right. A defender would have had to touch the pass first before another offensive player could touch it.

Any eligible offensive player may catch a forward pass. If a pass is touched by one eligible offensive player and touched or caught by a second offensive player, pass completion is legal. Further, all offensive players become eligible once a pass is touched by an eligible receiver or any defensive player. NFL Rules Digest
2Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 11:48
You're confused! :)

An ineligible receiver can only catch the ball if it was touched by a legal receiver or deflected by the defense first, but other than that its a live ball.
3Perm Dude
      ID: 41026169
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:07
???

I don't think there were any ineligible receivers involved in this case, ref. But in any rate the question was whether the defense touched the ball. If not, the second offensive player can't touch the ball themselves. I believe that was the question in this case.
4Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:10
There wasn't. Just stating where he might have gotten confused.

So you're saying that if WR1 muffed the pass and WR2 was there to catch it, it would be ruled an incomplete because no defensive player touched the ball first? Never heard of that.
5weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:12
The old rule was a defender had to touch the ball first.
There was a question on the "immaculate reception" if if the Oakland defender touched the ball or if it deflected off the reciever.
If the defender did not touch the ball then Franco Harris's touchdown should not have counted.

The rule was changed a few years back that allows the ball to be tipped by an offensive reciever and caught by another.

Ref is right about an "inelligible" reciever....somebody else has to tough the ball before he can catch it.
Although I'm not sure it has to be an eligible reciever.
I thought if any defensive player touches the ball it is live for anyone.
6weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:16
from the NFL rulebook:

4. Any eligible offensive player may catch a forward pass. If a pass is touched by one eligible offensive player and touched or caught by a second offensive player, pass completion is legal. Further, all offensive players become eligible once a pass is touched by an eligible receiver or any defensive player.

7Perm Dude
      ID: 41026169
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:16
Ref #4: See rule #4 here.
8Perm Dude
      ID: 41026169
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:18
Ah, I see that change, w. Thanks for posting it.
9Great One
      ID: 539581613
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:18
Did Yahoo update the scores? I can't really tell a difference and I don't see a notification anywhere. Of course I don't have McNabb and didn't play anyone who had him so I guess I would have paid closer attention if so.
10StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:27
Thanks, the "immaculate reception" time period is what I was thinking about. Figured it must have been changed, but wasn't sure.

Yahoo was just changed this afternoon to reflect that.
11Great One
      ID: 539581613
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:30
Yep, one of my leagues just changed our high scorer for the week. That sucks, its our work league and we had to go take the cash back from the guy! lol...
12Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:43
RE: 5-7 Isn't that what I said in [2]?

I remember now that they changed that rule after the immaculate reception. Seems like a no-brainer. I couldn't udnerstand why there was an issue unless it hit the ground first until they explained it.
13Kyle
      ID: 52753312
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:52
Was AOL changed yet? I am trying to figure if it will change anything for the RIFC Leagues. I don't think it will change the results of any of the games, and if it doesn't change the result then the standings won't be affect by someone just gaining points. But in the long haul when it comes down to tiebreakers and such I believe it could be close enough to affect that.
14Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:54
AOL has not been changed. Not saying it won't be done in the future, so I'd prob. wait another ay. CBS has already announced that any changed made after Tuesday must be made manually.
15The Treasonists
      Donor
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:55
The "immaculate reception" was clearly batted away by Jack Tatum, a defensive player so was OK under the rules at the time. I think you're remembering the John Mackey tipped Super Bowl catch where it was not clear if a defensive player touched it. Or maybe not.
16Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 13:49
FYI:

Here are the official scoring changes this week:

• Donovan McNabb: from 222 passing yards to 257 passing yards.
• Donovan McNabb: from 1 passing TD to 2 passing TDs.
• Correll Buckhalter: from 1 own fumble recovery for 37 yards and a TD to 0 fumble recoveries.
• Correll Buckhalter: from 0 receptions to 1 reception for 55 yards and a TD.
• Reggie Brown: from 2 receptions for 38 yards to 1 reception for 18 yards.
17weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 14:28
Re:12

Ref:
Your post in #2 was about an "ineligible" reciever however, STL's question was in regards to an "eligible" reciever

As discussed there was a rule change that has lead to the confusion.
What you stated was correct but it was not always the case and that is why I posted the clarification.

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